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Lay off 'valued' Tiger Vickery, says Riewoldt
Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
July 9, 2014 3:42 PM
RICHMOND full forward Jack Riewoldt thinks criticism of Ty Vickery from Tiger fans and the wider football community is too harsh.
Riewoldt defended the tall forward's contribution to the team and said much of what he does goes unnoticed.
"Inside our four walls, he is a very valued member and he provides defensively and offensively, as we saw on the weekend," Riewoldt said.
"I think Tyrone is dealt very harshly by our fans and the wider football community."
Vickery's form and confidence deserted him early in the season and he became the target of critics but he bounced back against the Brisbane Lions last Saturday.
The 24-year-old kicked four goals and looked to be working more effectively alongside Riewoldt.
"It's really important for that extra key forward to come along and hit the scoreboard. We missed him a lot during those two weeks he had off through suspension,” Riewoldt said.
"[We're] glad to have him hitting the scoreboard and hitting some form.”
Riewoldt said he was focused on getting the most out of the final seven games and providing some hope for Richmond fans. He admitted his own form had been up and down but he was working hard to find some consistency.
"[I have] been able to generate marks inside 50, but unfortunately haven't hit the scoreboard as well as what I wanted," Riewoldt said.
Riewoldt said his 53 per cent accuracy in front of goal was not good enough and he was focused on improving that aspect of his game.
"[It] is something as a full forward you hang your hat on, so I need to improve that. I know that," Riewoldt said.
Despite his up and down season, the enigmatic forward has kicked 41 goals and is just seven behind former Richmond player Jay Schulz on the goalkicking table.
Riewoldt said he wasn’t thinking about winning his third Coleman Medal and said "the old Tiger" Schulz deserved to be favourite.
Riewoldt said he was on the same page as coach Damien Hardwick and he learned his lesson when he spoke about the team's game-plan earlier in the season.
"We're both very, very driven on where we want this football club to go and we're both willing to do anything to get us where we want to go," Riewoldt said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-09/lay-off-tiger-ty-riewoldt
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Bounced back against Brisbane yes Jack everyone bounces back against the kid Brisbane side.
How about you lift your game SC ;D
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Shuddup Jack. Kick some goals against a quality side. Then you can talk.
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tee-hee!
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Riewoldt said he wasn’t thinking about winning his third Coleman Medal and said "the old Tiger" Schulz deserved to be favourite.
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only a fool would defend the big pansy. sort of says it all about richmond doesnt it.
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
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:sleep
Pretty much sums up almost all the media interviews coming out of Punt Rd at the moment.
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Orwell's Tigers.
Stuck in 1984.
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Riewoldt defended the tall forward's contribution to the team and said much of what he does goes unnoticed.
Jack's right about that. Barely notice TV most of the game.
Don't think we've been too harsh on Vickery, his poor form earlier in the season (also noticed by his coach) was part of the reason we've missed the finals this season. Looked like he wasn't remotely interested in playing over a course of several weeks. For whatever reason he now looks a bit more engaged. Perhaps his manager has been on the phone to other clubs?
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
you dont think it has anything to do with the development at Punt Road?
Plays one good game and they bring him back in the seniors.
Griffiths one bad and and is banished to the reserves for 6 weeks.
Honestly mate i think im leaning toward the RFC is a basket case at developing any talent that is not selected in the top 5. Look at lids number 1 pick plays here there
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
you dont think it has anything to do with the development at Punt Road?
Plays one good game and they bring him back in the seniors.
Griffiths one bad and and is banished to the reserves for 6 weeks.
Honestly mate i think im leaning toward the RFC is a basket case at developing any talent that is not selected in the top 5. Look at lids number 1 pick plays here there
History would suggest you can't argue our development is good but IMO this ones on Vickery. You can try and develop someone all you want but if their heart just isn't in it you can't get anywhere. Sure you can try and get them going and some players might respond but some just won't
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
How do you define heart?
Every time I see him live I see him doing a power of physical work of the ball, blocking, picking off taggers etc.....
I'd say he lacks confidence, not heart.
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He plays the odd ok game. Like the rest of 'em.
What I really didn't like last week was his salute to the stands after kicking his 3rd or 4th goal. Arms stretched out wide with the ' how good am I ' look on his pill. Seriously Ty ?
Commentators picked up on it too. Need to play consistent , good senior footy in a team that's not near the bottom of the ladder before you pull that celebration out.
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He plays the odd ok game. Like the rest of 'em.
What I really didn't like last week was his salute to the stands after kicking his 3rd or 4th goal. Arms stretched out wide with the ' how good am I ' look on his pill. Seriously Ty ?
Commentators picked up on it too. Need to play consistent , good senior footy in a team that's not near the bottom of the ladder before you pull that celebration out.
l like it when they salute to the crowd. Confidence grows in the players & thats what we all want. Cocky players play good football
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yet you constantly pot Jack...?
Nice double standards there, partner. :lol
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He plays the odd ok game. Like the rest of 'em.
What I really didn't like last week was his salute to the stands after kicking his 3rd or 4th goal. Arms stretched out wide with the ' how good am I ' look on his pill. Seriously Ty ?
Commentators picked up on it too. Need to play consistent , good senior footy in a team that's not near the bottom of the ladder before you pull that celebration out.
l like it when they salute to the crowd. Confidence grows in the players & thats what we all want. Cocky players play good football
This brings back memories of Mark Williams' shotgun/rifle celebration. I can't remember who it was against, Hawthorn has pretty much lost the match, it's late in the 4th quarter and Mark Williams kicks his first goal of the game in near junk time and he pulls out the rifle. I think Clarkson went ape sheete in the post match presser.
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This brings back memories of Mark Williams' shotgun/rifle celebration. I can't remember who it was against, Hawthorn has pretty much lost the match, it's late in the 4th quarter and Mark Williams kicks his first goal of the game in near junk time and he pulls out the rifle. I think Clarkson went ape sheete in the post match presser.
Good comparison Lammy. I know it sounds pedantic but I just didn't think it was good look for an underperforming player in an underperforming team playing against a crap side.
Maybe , and that's only a maybe , you pull that celebration out this week after you've kicked 6 in a win against Port.
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
How do you define heart?
Every time I see him live I see him doing a power of physical work of the ball, blocking, picking off taggers etc.....
I'd say he lacks confidence, not heart.
My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
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This brings back memories of Mark Williams' shotgun/rifle celebration. I can't remember who it was against, Hawthorn has pretty much lost the match, it's late in the 4th quarter and Mark Williams kicks his first goal of the game in near junk time and he pulls out the rifle. I think Clarkson went ape sheete in the post match presser.
Good comparison Lammy. I know it sounds pedantic but I just didn't think it was good look for an underperforming player in an underperforming team playing against a crap side.
Maybe , and that's only a maybe , you pull that celebration out this week after you've kicked 6 in a win against Port.
Not pedantic at all dice, some people know when its the right time to showboat a bit. Last week against a bottom side playing 5 2014 debutants was not one of them...
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He is spot on about Vickery but why is he continually turned out for the media when he is consistently hopeless at it?
No he's not. Ty might have some talent but he doesnt have the heart to become the top line player the club is so sure he will be.
How do you define heart?
Every time I see him live I see him doing a power of physical work of the ball, blocking, picking off taggers etc.....
I'd say he lacks confidence, not heart.
My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
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My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
What he said.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
What he said.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
X2 :thumbsup
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My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
What he said.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
X2 :thumbsup
X3 :thumbsup
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tony
are you sure the game plan is not to kick it over the top?
if it is then surely its not vickerys fault but the power to be
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I was at the Gold Coast game and on quite a few occasions Vickery was leading into the space behind and the ball was kicked poorly and fell short.
It wasn't a distance thing it was a foot skill thing as the ball was floating etc of the boots.
Probably the area he went wrong was being demonstrative about the poor kicking, but also quite understandable.
And when I see games live I'd argue Vickery's 1%ers are amongst the highest in the side.
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Riewoldt defended the tall forward's contribution to the team and said much of what he does goes unnoticed.
Jack's right about that. Barely notice TV most of the game.
Don't think we've been too harsh on Vickery, his poor form earlier in the season (also noticed by his coach) was part of the reason we've missed the finals this season. Looked like he wasn't remotely interested in playing over a course of several weeks. For whatever reason he now looks a bit more engaged. Perhaps his manager has been on the phone to other clubs?
lol the last time vickery remotely strung decent games together was 2011. either side of that yr which was nothing special hes been a disgrace.
he was pathetic last yr he was if possible even worse the yr before. every fool and his dog saw the goals in 2011 and ignored all else and before 2011 he was gifted games hand over fist deserving barely one of them.
hes been in poor form fro much longer than just early in the season. poor form and vickery go hand in hand and is very much the norm with the big dud. ffs get him out of the club spineless weak prick that he is.
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My definition of heart is busting a nut when you're having an off day, giving 100% every single time you get on the track. If you're having a dirty day and cant get involved in the play, then you get involved in other ways, pressure acts, tackling, chasing, bumping, crashing packs, shephards, basically all the little 1%ers. We must watch two different players bc if this guy isn't getting it on a platter his work rate nose dives. The difference between his best and worst is staggering - he is basically uncompetitive when he's off and sooks it up when players aren't bombing it 60 metres over his opponents head. I've said this countless times and i'll say it again, rnd 1 vs gold coast he got caught behind May 9 times in the 1st half, 9 stuffing times! He lost me that day and so did Hardwick - he wasn't called to the bench once nor was he made an example of like he should have from rnd 1. Set the standard dimma, you had a chance..
To add to that, the reason I get defensive about Griffiths is he may get less stats than vickery but I come away from most games thinking he's been more involved bc he is always blocking, tackling, chasing , bumping and doing the little things big men should be doing and for mine that shows a desire to try and contribute something.
What he said.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
X2 :thumbsup
X3 :thumbsup
x 4
:clapping :clapping