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Title: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 12, 2014, 08:38:25 AM
It's interesting that Port are in the Top 4 and we are bottom 6 and yet they are prepared to make statements on players whereas we are not.

Newman and Cassisi - both ex captains, both leaders at the club and both struggling to have impact on field.

One gets dropped, one plays.

At some point when sticking your head in the sand you end up suffocating.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: WA Tiger on July 12, 2014, 08:49:25 AM
It's interesting that Port are in the Top 4 and we are bottom 6 and yet they are prepared to make statements on players whereas we are not.

Newman and Cassisi - both ex captains, both leaders at the club and both struggling to have impact on field.

One gets dropped, one plays.

At some point when sticking your head in the sand you end up suffocating.

So, this happens weekly with our club, why raise it in another thread????? Get used to it and get over it, nothing will change.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 12, 2014, 09:17:24 AM
One clubs ex captain gets dropped for poor form while another's continues to get a game.
Happens all the time  :wallywink
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: bojangles17 on July 12, 2014, 10:03:25 AM
interesting comparison, similar output this year by the stats , for mine Mcdonough is the replacement for Newman, sadly I reckon he ll walk due to lack of ops  :banghead he s the only one that will rile me should we lose him out of contract
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Gigantor on July 12, 2014, 10:09:54 AM
I understand the need to make all players earn their spot,and I have no issue at all with that.However in watching last weeks game I can see why they rush newman straight back in,and that's for his leadership,something this team is absolutely desperate for out on the field
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: tony_montana on July 12, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
says it all HRT - culture
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
It's interesting that Port are in the Top 4 and we are bottom 6 and yet they are prepared to make statements on players whereas we are not.

Newman and Cassisi - both ex captains, both leaders at the club and both struggling to have impact on field.

One gets dropped, one plays.

At some point when sticking your head in the sand you end up suffocating.

Poignant isn't it. :yep

Both clubs are going places, sadly for us it's in a southerly direction. :help
We gift games to players who waltz into the seniors no questions asked yet other clubs ask questions of all the players in their squads where reputations or past titles mean nothing in the ultimate pursuit of success.

That is why everything we do from top to bottom is token and run by people looking for quick fixes, easy answers and very little review and transparency to position, performance and result.

The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™


Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: tony_montana on July 12, 2014, 11:22:01 AM

We gift games to players who waltz into the seniors no questions asked yet other clubs ask questions of all the players in their squads where reputations or past titles mean nothing in the ultimate pursuit of success.

That is why everything we do from top to bottom is token

Find it hard to find truer words spoken about our club.

You look at what Mick is doing this season with Garlett and Waite - last season he did it to Yarran and to a lesser extent gibbs- when questioned on Gibbs early last year his response was he's got to learn where WE want him to play. Can you imagine dimma talking like that about newman, Tyrone, Houli?
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
I understand the need to make all players earn their spot,and I have no issue at all with that.However in watching last weeks game I can see why they rush newman straight back in,and that's for his leadership,something this team is absolutely desperate for out on the field

Newman does not show leadership nor is he accountable.
He never really was accountable but in a team of unskilled players he stuck out like a sore thumb off half back once upon a time. Now that Father Time has caught up with him and his body is starting to fail him his inadequacies are really starting to show further.

If the excuse of him being selected straight back from injury is based on leadership then that is a blight on the club and clearly points to culture and a distinct lack of leaders at the club which makes us the failed on field organisation we have been for more than three decades. Lamentably it's all a domino effect starts at the top works it's way down and is shown in the on field performances.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 11:24:44 AM

We gift games to players who waltz into the seniors no questions asked yet other clubs ask questions of all the players in their squads where reputations or past titles mean nothing in the ultimate pursuit of success.

That is why everything we do from top to bottom is token

Find it hard to find truer words spoken about our club.

You look at what Mick is doing this season with Garlett and Waite - last season he did it to Yarran and to a lesser extent gibbs- when questioned on Gibbs early last year his response was he's got to learn where WE want him to play. Can you imagine dimma talking like that about newman, Tyrone, Houli?

Dimma would just say "hey listen fellas try to do something today the folks on OER, PRE and every other RFC forum are starting to lose it with us. You know I loves ya. I'll get you a golden gaytime after the game, so long as you don't play like one and if you do don't worry you'll have next week to look somewhat like a decent consistent footballer, I promise". :help
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: The Big Richo on July 12, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
Hardwick = good bloke but not strong enough to lead significant change.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: sabartooth on July 12, 2014, 12:07:18 PM
I thought this showed we are serious about tanking this year by still playing Jacko, grigg, newy, pettard etc. Even playing steve morris with one arm was a give away!
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Yeahright on July 12, 2014, 12:29:35 PM
It's interesting that Port are in the Top 4 and we are bottom 6 and yet they are prepared to make statements on players whereas we are not.

Newman and Cassisi - both ex captains, both leaders at the club and both struggling to have impact on field.

One gets dropped, one plays.

At some point when sticking your head in the sand you end up suffocating.

So, this happens weekly with our club, why raise it in another thread????? Get used to it and get over it, nothing will change.

Same could be said about a lot of your threads ::)
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 12, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
Cassisi as good as he has been. Is seen as the 22/23/24 player at port.
Newman and Jackson are rated as demigods who don't need to play twos.

Highlights what a rabble we are
respect to port. They are a proper chance at the flag.and yet still have a future and youth is the first priority which is good for the long term health of the club.

In sheer opposition to richmond who was recently last and now in the prime position for 9th. With the favouritism towards o,ld list blockers stopping the kids getting a go what so ever
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
Jackson played twos for a few weeks before he came back last week. So I have no problem I guess but I think the one that irks me and most RFC fans is the fact that Newman does his calf waltzes straight back in no questions asked whilst a kid makes a mistake or has a bad game and is dropped.

Then to pi$$ the supporters off even more Newman misses again with another niggle and waltzes straight back in.
Kids like Arnot, O'Hanlon get limited game time and get dropped. I don't care if they don't make it but at least give them a go lets be sure, as this depth that was so glowingly talked about last year is indeed a furphy and will bite us on the bum whilst the club come up with gold nuggets like since some of our kids have not come on as we would have liked a bloke like our ex captain who has "suck leadership qualities" has been rewarded with another two years to oversee the on field development of the new breed of kids that will be listed circa 2018-19.

The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 12, 2014, 01:19:47 PM
The problem Don is that it is basically dishonest.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
The problem Don is that it is basically dishonest.

When you have a culture problem it leads to dishonesty towards its stakeholders being members and supporters.

The culture problems have a genesis to the power struggles that took place 1983 onwards, where the boards were to self absorbed in getting their ticket across the line to actually stop and smell the roses and see how the coaching and playing list was being hindered by this, as well as GR ruthlessly dumping coaches every few years if they didn't win a flag. :help

Our success way back when we were kids ultimately led to our current demise in a funny sort of way. :help

Paul Sproule signs a two year deal in 1985 but because Barry Richardson was ousted by the end of the year his contract is not honoured. By the time Northey arrives and goes the club behind the scenes is still as fractured as it was in the 1980's but the fans have jumped on board due to them being starved of success and the sleeping giant awakens. Remember we briefly awoke in 1993 making the Fosters Cup GF.

Without going into a history lesson the club does not know how to deal with the success starved supporters holding them to ransom each time it becomes apparent that another coaching tenure has turned stale. This leads to lies, and failure to publically address the issues as to why the club is in the predicament it is in and this then leads to further disharmony between the club and the fans to the point where the club has no other option but to admit it's mistakes.

Along the journey attendances drops and so does memberships and so does profit and this leads to debt and failure to address on field needs by investing in the proper areas and so the club finds itself wallowing in the lower reaches of the table. By going in debt originally and rattling tins when we did in 1988-1990 and not really fully getting the help others have had since, added to investing in resourcing the club properly and looking for alternative streams of profit we find that weare well behind the elite clubs like Hawthorn who were gone in 1996, Pies were nowhere in 1999 yet they have risen at a more economic friendly environment had their years of failure but have invested in the right people to do the job they employed them to do.

RFC continually looks to make profit but cuts corners in terms of the people they employ to fill on field positions and coaching positions and its this that the fans find ultimately galling. If you spend properly the results will come, Richmond spends on the wrong people and people overstay their welcome until its too late and therein lies the problem.

Time for a new cycle. Then the lies will seem to stop for a few years whilst we falsely believe that this regime might be the one that might deliver a holy grail until the darksiders start and then over time the rest will follow. Sad indictment on us. :help
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Chuck17 on July 12, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
The problem Don is that it is basically dishonest.

when you have a culture problem it leads to dishonesty towards its stakeholders being members and supporters.

The culture problems have a genesis to the power struggles that took place 1983 onwards, where the boards were to self absorbed in getting their ticket across the line to actually stop and smell the roses and see how the coaching and playing list was being hindered by this.

Paul Sproule signs a two year deal in 1985 but because Barry Richardson was ousted by the end of the year his contract is not honoured. By the time Northey arrives and goes the club behind the scenes is still as fractured as it was in the 1980's but the fans have jumped on board due to them being starved of success and the sleeping giant awakens. Remember we briefly awoke in 1993 making the Fosters Cup GF.

Without going into a history lesson the club does not know how to deal with the success starved supporters holding them to ransom each time it becomes apparent that another coaching tenure has turned stale. This leads to lies, and failure to publically address the issues as to why the club is in the predicament it is in and this then leads to further disharmony between the club and the fans to the point where the club has no other option but to admit it's mistakes.

Along the journey attendances drops and so does memberships and so does profit and this leads to debt and failure to address on field needs by investing in the proper areas and so the club finds itself wallowing in the lower reaches of the table. By going in debt originally and rattling tins when we did in 1988-1990 and not really fully getting the help others have had since, added to investing in resourcing the club properly and looking for alternative streams of profit we find that weare well behind the elite clubs like Hawthorn who were gone in 1996, Pies were nowhere in 1999 yet they have risen at a more economic friendly environment had their years of failure but have invested in the right people to do the job they employed them to do.

RFC continually looks to make profit but cuts corners in terms of the people they employ to fill on field positions and coaching positions and its this that the fans find ultimately galling. If you spend properly the results will come, Richmond spends on the wrong people and people overstay their welcome until its too late and therein lies the problem.

Time for a new cycle.

Yessssss  :clapping a new cycle promising heaps but delivering plop plop plops
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 12, 2014, 08:38:10 PM
It's interesting that Port are in the Top 4 and we are bottom 6 and yet they are prepared to make statements on players whereas we are not.

Newman and Cassisi - both ex captains, both leaders at the club and both struggling to have impact on field.

One gets dropped, one plays.

At some point when sticking your head in the sand you end up suffocating.
Yes. We definately a culture problem and has been for 30 years.

I call it Tigeritis™®©
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 12, 2014, 10:42:56 PM
You mean 32 years Mr Tigra. ;D

Tigeritis has been uncured for 32 years. It has spawned

The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Tigershark on July 12, 2014, 10:56:41 PM
Theorem s we are like StKilda in the 90's..........we have a fab 5 and not much else.        Cotch, lids, jack, rance, dusty........we have a couple of good foots soldiers in Maric, dare I sayit Hackson,  ellus and Conca and the rest are battlers.....unfortunately this will not take you to a level of sustained success.....nor will a coach with no plan b or c..........we are rooted and doomed to mediocrity....
 :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Yeahright on July 12, 2014, 11:01:33 PM
Yes. We definately a supporter problem and has been for 30 years.

I call it Tigeritis™®©

EFA
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 13, 2014, 02:15:13 AM
Lmao
No way port will win the flag.
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Diocletian on July 13, 2014, 02:26:54 AM



Yes. We definately a supporter problem and has been for 30 years.

I call it Tigeritis™®©

EFA

Agree. Too many accept mediocrity.

Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Chuck17 on July 13, 2014, 04:00:06 PM
He didn't do too bad today went hard and no sideways backwards crap
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 13, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
And in other news McBean and mcdonuts bogs again

But good thing Newman played
Title: Re: Cassisi dropped, Newman plays - culture or coincidence?
Post by: The Big Richo on July 13, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
Well, he attended.