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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Phil Mrakov on August 26, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
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O'Hanlon
Darrou
Elton
Arnott
Williams
Macintosh
Helbig
Who's it gonna be
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All of the above...
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If it were me
O'Hanlon - keep 1 more year
Darrou - keep 1 more year
Elton - trade/delist
Arnott - keep 1 more year
Williams - keep 1 more year
Macintosh - delist
Helbig - delist
Azza - delist
Stephenson - 1 more in the vfl if he's keen
Banfield - not fussed, probably delist
Knights - 1 more year on contract
Hampson - obviously would love to trade him/delist him but has 2 years to go
Thomas - keep as depth
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What worries me is that not many of the above have been given a go at senior level.
There could be hidden gems there.
I would keep Elton. He has developed into a big backman this year, his first go in that position. Big KPPs are hard to find, flankers are everywhere.
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O'Hanlon
Darrou
Elton
Arnott
Williams
Macintosh
Helbig
Who's it gonna be
Agree
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O'Hanlon
Elton
Arnott
Macintosh
Helbig
King (retired)
Banfield
Stephenson
Darrou
Williams
Elevated
Thomas
Miles
Rookied
Arnot
Elton
So 4 ND spots and 4 rookies.
A free agent can be got instead of the last ND pick.
Newman to vet list and elevate one rookie.
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Delist
O'Hanlon
Helbig
Arnot
A Edwards
Banfield
Williams
Darrou
Move to rookie
Elton
Reckon McIntosh will get another year.
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If it were me
O'Hanlon - hasn't shown much if any improvement IMO -r delisted
Darrou - Would be okay with keeping him as he continues to improve but not sure how the rookie thing goes and wouldn't have him on list proper
Elton - 1 year, big boy
Arnott - delist, he's okay but rather have a punt on someone else at the draft
Williams - been injury riddled so i'd give him another go
Macintosh - 1 year, had a few injuries and good size, would need to show something
Helbig - delist
Azza - delist, don't think we need him even as depth anymore
Stephenson - happy to keep him as rookie
Banfield - delist
Knights - if he does have another year as some say then keep but if he doesn't delist
Hampson - same as phil
Thomas - keep preferably as a rookie. Only on list proper if we delist another.
3 list proper 2 rookie after elevation of miles and retirement of King
That's the minimum I would hope and wouldn't blink if we got rid of a couple others
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Chaplin
Grigg
A Edwards
Hampson
Orem
Knights - rookie
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Going by what Tim Clarke wrote about McIntosh in his VFL player reviews I think he will sticking around. Clarke spoke about MCIntosh and his upcoming pre-season
Outside of that he's only be on the system 2 years and a bad run with injury. Deserves a 3rd year IMHO
TBH I don't know what they will do in that who knows how deep they will cut
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It has to be the toughest year under Hardwicks reign and probably for the last 10 years or more for list management at Richmond. To me there are only a few obvious. King due to injury and age. A Edwards age. Hampson cos hes hopeless but he is contracted. Stephensen is only backup you could replace like for like. Then there is a bunch of kids that may or may not make it almost none of which have played any senior footy. You then have a bunch of average mature AFL standard players Knights, Thomas, Jackson etc
I suspect they will largely get rid of kids who didnt get a game this year. Ohanlon, Darrou, Williams etc
I personally dont think lloyd will make it but why would they drop him ahead of ohanlon who didnt get a game. Tough year.
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did this on another thread.
imo both thomas and miles will be promoted.this is not what i think but what i think the club is likely to do.
so two rookies promoted that means two from the list proper have to be cut.
then i think we will use at a bare minimum 3 nd picks i prefer we use 4.
so thats another 3 from the list proper making 5 so far.
id be surprised if we were not involved in a trade or f/a if not both.
so to me we are looking at about 6 delistings from the list proper give or take one.
to me those 6 most in the gun and most likely to be cut would have to be remembering
we have either 12 or 14 uncontracted players astbury, knights unclear. thoise uncontracted players not mentioned imo have some pretty sound reasons for why i think the club will retain them.
anyway imo the 6 most in the gun.
list proper
Arnot, Helbig, A Edwards, Ohanlon, Dea or Knights if hes uncontracted which is unclear atm. King already retired.
this enables us to promote miles, thomas, which like it or not is likely to happen, utilise 3 nd picks as a bare minimum, and take a f/a or be involved in a trade its possible both could happen.
rookies
well with two promotions that leaves two spots already. i think they have to make a call on darrou and would not be surprised to see banfield delisted.
i would personally like to see stephenson cut as well and placed in the vfl squad on a wage.
so to me we could have anywhere from 3 to 5 rookie picks.
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Macintosh - delist .This kid has talent to burn ,but injury has cursed him last 2 seasons no way delist.Elton dont know what to make of him has showed nothing to date howhas he been in the vfl as a KP defender ?.Knights contract I think was 3years ,but clause in it if he doesnt play certain amount of games etc.Thomas delist or rookee not main list :banghead I'm still upset about Pettard being promoted.As for Hampson pay him out were better off !.
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EdwardsA, Hampson, Knights and Stephenson appear to be at great risk of being delisted.
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O'Hanlon ..........Gone
Darrou..............Must be given a go. I have not seen him play but to be best nearly every week and always praised he must be tried!!!
Elton.................Gone
Arnott...............Keep
Williams............Unsure
Macintosh..........Unsure
Helbig...............Gone
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Off-topic slightly but Raines chopped from Brisbane.
Let's bring him back.
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Off-topic slightly but Raines chopped from Brisbane.
Let's bring him back.
Is going to play finals at some stage since leaving the Tiges apparently
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Sorry but Raines is not even 1 hundredth the player his father was....
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O'Hanlon - Gone or rookie list
Darrou - Upgrade
Elton - Keep
Arnott - Gone
Williams - Gone
McIntoch - Keep
Helbig - Gone which would be a shame
A. Edwards - Gone
Banfield - Gone
Stephenson - Gone and sign him up for Richmond Reserves
Thomas - Keep as a rookie
King - Gone
Thats how I see it going.
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O'Hanlon - Gone or rookie list
Darrou - Upgrade
Elton - Keep
Arnott - Gone
Williams - Gone
McIntoch - Keep
Helbig - Gone which would be a shame
A. Edwards - Gone
Banfield - Gone
Stephenson - Gone and sign him up for Richmond Reserves
Thomas - Keep as a rookie
King - Gone
Thats how I see it going.
This is the list I agree with most. Unfortunately I'm not sure if this is going to happen.
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O'Hanlon - Gone or rookie list
Darrou - Upgrade
Elton - Keep
Arnott - Gone
Williams - Gone
McIntoch - Keep
Helbig - Gone which would be a shame
A. Edwards - Gone
Banfield - Gone
Stephenson - Gone and sign him up for Richmond Reserves
Thomas - Keep as a rookie
King - Gone
Thats how I see it going.
what about the dude in your avatar ?
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O'Hanlon - Gone or rookie list
Darrou - Upgrade
Elton - Keep
Arnott - Gone
Williams - Gone
McIntoch - Keep
Helbig - Gone which would be a shame
A. Edwards - Gone
Banfield - Gone
Stephenson - Gone and sign him up for Richmond Reserves
Thomas - Keep as a rookie
King - Gone
Thats how I see it going.
what about the dude in your avatar ?
Should we drop Fab Morvan and Rob Pilatus too Phil?
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I'd be keeping Elton before McIntosh , don't they'll be rushing on Mc, was a prodigious talent that's been crueled by injuries, another rancer in the pipeline if body can be held together :shh
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O'Hanlon - Gone or rookie list
Darrou - Upgrade
Elton - Keep
Arnott - Gone
Williams - Gone
McIntoch - Keep
Helbig - Gone which would be a shame
A. Edwards - Gone
Banfield - Gone
Stephenson - Gone and sign him up for Richmond Reserves
Thomas - Keep as a rookie
King - Gone
Thats how I see it going.
what about the dude in your avatar ?
Should we drop Fab Morvan and Rob Pilatus too Phil?
Rip Rob Pilatus
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Off-topic slightly but Raines chopped from Brisbane.
Let's bring him back.
An emphatic no , remind me who was that NM spud that kicked 7 on him , Corey ??? Ended his career that game
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Off-topic slightly but Raines chopped from Brisbane.
Let's bring him back.
An emphatic no , remind me who was that NM spud that kicked 7 on him , Corey ??? Ended his career that game
No 'could play a bit Rainsey just quietly, don't worry about that' this time ?
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Off-topic slightly but Raines chopped from Brisbane.
Let's bring him back.
An emphatic no , remind me who was that NM spud that kicked 7 on him , Corey ??? Ended his career that game
Geez Bo, don't be so bloody negative.
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O'Hanlon - yes
Darrou - yes simply because they won't upgrade him like they should and can't re-rookie.
Elton - maybe, have a feeling he might be delisted and rookie listed. Should be just be delisted outright.
Arnot - yes but shouldn't be
Williams - yes
McIntosh - maybe, should be
Helbig - gut feeling he'll be kept but should be gone instead of Arnot
A. Edwards - surely - wouldn't put it past the club to hang in to him for yet another year though.
Banfield - will be but should be kept if we don't get more pace
Stephenson - yes - reckon he'll chuck it in even if we wanted him to go around again- had to be talked into it last year.
Thomas - will be upgraded should be delisted
Lloyd - no but should be.
Dea - don't think he will be but wouldn't be be surprised if he's the surprise delisting this year.
One of Arnot & Helbig will kept IMO. Have a feeling it will be Helbig despite not getting picked, seems to have moved ahead in the coach's estimation and pecking order after being named on the extended bench a few times recently whereas I don't Arnot has since his last senior game. They surely won't get rid of all the kids, which also might save McIntosh too.
Really though, it's a bit of a mug's game trying to use logic to work out what this club will do with regards to list management, let alone second guessing it.
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^Lloyd should be delisted now I've heard it all
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I like his footy smarts but at the end of the day I want more than 1.4 goals a game - which is usually a 3 goal game followed by a couple of weeks of stuff all - from a 25 y.o. small-medium forward with average - below average pace who can't run through the midfield. But that's just me.
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O'Hanlon - don't believe he was given enough of a chance but at real risk of being delisted
Elton -Playing in back half may have saved him but believe he is still at real risk
Arnot-don't believe he should be but Club will delist him. Hope I am wrong and the club keeps him
Williams
Helbig - at real risk
A. Edwards
Banfield
Stephenson
Agree with comments "Really though, it's a bit of a mug's game trying to use logic to work out what this club will do with regards to list management, let alone second guessing it."
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List changes usually come down to who is out of contract and how many draft picks we'll have/use in the National Draft.
According to our OER contracts list, those out of contract are: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, Knights, McBean, McDonough, McIntosh, O'Hanlon, Petterd
and Rookies: Darrou, Stephenson, Williams, Banfield, Thomas
Sadly, Hampson is contracted until 2016 :scream :facepalm.
So far the Club has replaced Kingy (retired) on the senior list with Miles (elevated from the rookie list). So no net change in numbers on our senior list.
As far as draft picks, we'll most only use 4 as this stage unless we trade someone for another pick. I don't see us going beyond the 4th round if say we have picks 10, 30, 48 & 64. So that means 4 current senior listed players will have to go to fit these newbies onto our senior list. Another could go if we go after a free agent.
Senior list:
Out:
King (retired)
A.Edwards
Helbig
O'Hanlon
Dea
Possibly Arnot or even Knights (retire due to injuries)
In:
Miles (elevated)
1st ND pick
2nd ND pick
3rd ND pick
4th ND pick
Possibly a Free agent
Rookie list changes:
Out: Darrou, Williams, Banfield.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Big O is kept as ruck back-up. I would get rid of Thomas but Dimma likes him so he'll most likely survive.
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I don't think they'll delist Dea. They've put to much work into him and he is a very improved player anyway. I'm thinking they will go with 4 picks in the national draft only.
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I don't think they'll delist Dea. They've put to much work into him and he is a very improved player anyway. I'm thinking they will go with 4 picks in the national draft only.
do you think they will promote both miles as good as done, and thomas, i do.
with 4 nd picks that means 6 have to be cut.
will we ignore trade and f/a period i dont think so. if we do indeed participate in trade week, use 4 nd picks and promote the two rookies we will have to cut more than 6 from the list proper.
so far we effectively have
in - miles
out - king
still looking for 6 more plus rookies.
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Dea is named as an emergency this week, a important week in regards to winning = finals
so essentially the club would be delisting someone they rate in the best 25
even for richmond this would be unusual list analysis and strategy
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do you think they will promote both miles as good as done,
Claw, it was announced last week that Miles has been a given a two year senior list contract so it is done
Agree with Ramps, reckon Dea is safe if they don't try and trade him.
Would think he like the majority of our list would be available for trade for the right deal but if not traded reckon he will get another contract, won't be delisted IMHO
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do you think they will promote both miles as good as done,
Claw, it was announced last week that Miles has been a given a two year senior list contract so it is done
Agree with Ramps, reckon Dea is safe if they don't try and trade him.
Would think he like the majority of our list would be available for trade for the right deal but if not traded reckon he will get another contract, won't be delisted IMHO
fair enough wp.
im just trying to get a handle on what they may do.
they wont cut contracted players imo.
theres 12 or 14 uncontracted players and delisting will come from these.
imo theywill promote thomas to go with miles. so thats two to cut
imo they will use 3 possibly 4 nd picks that is potentially 4 more delistings.
imo they will participate in either trade or f/a so theres one more to be traded out or cut
so with the above scenario the only question to be answered is who are the most likely 6 or 7 uncontracted players to be cut. we have one already in king, so 5 or 6 to go.
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I don't think they'll delist Dea. They've put to much work into him and he is a very improved player anyway. I'm thinking they will go with 4 picks in the national draft only.
do you think they will promote both miles as good as done, and thomas, i do.
with 4 nd picks that means 6 have to be cut.
will we ignore trade and f/a period i dont think so. if we do indeed participate in trade week, use 4 nd picks and promote the two rookies we will have to cut more than 6 from the list proper.
so far we effectively have
in - miles
out - king
still looking for 6 more plus rookies.
I don't think Thomas will be promoted. Though I do think he will be kept.
I'd say we need 5 list spots. Miles plus 4 picks. (Too hard to guess trades)
King gone already so need four more. Helbig and Edwards should definitely be gone. Arnot and O'Hanlon I don't think will make it. Or maybe a Knights gets delisted and rookied for his last year so he's not taking up a list spot.
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A question to the knowledgeable ones>
Would/Could Arnot be a replacement for Thomas how would you rate them if you had to pick one or the other>??
Could Bannfield go into the Centre and be a Thomas type?
Watching arnott in a couple of games he seems to be pretty hard at it and a keen tackler and Banfiled seems to like tackling and is a good reverse player as well. Sad to think banfield hasn't been given a chance after drafting him
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Reckon they'll go with the below
Definates from senior list
King
Helbig
Edwards
O'Hanlon
Thin Ice
Knights
Elton
Arnott
Griffiths most likely to be traded as has better offers on the table from other clubs
rookies
Darrou
Williams
Banfield
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A question to the knowledgeable ones>
Would/Could Arnot be a replacement for Thomas how would you rate them if you had to pick one or the other>??
Could Bannfield go into the Centre and be a Thomas type?
Watching arnott in a couple of games he seems to be pretty hard at it and a keen tackler and Banfiled seems to like tackling and is a good reverse player as well. Sad to think banfield hasn't been given a chance after drafting him
I think they are both pretty crap. Thomas is currently the better player and I'd keep him for one more on the rookie list and get rid of Arnot. Miles is ahead of both.
Banfield I think will be gone. Can't find the footy. His defensive game is very good though.
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A question to the knowledgeable ones>
Would/Could Arnot be a replacement for Thomas how would you rate them if you had to pick one or the other>??
Could Bannfield go into the Centre and be a Thomas type?
Watching arnott in a couple of games he seems to be pretty hard at it and a keen tackler and Banfiled seems to like tackling and is a good reverse player as well. Sad to think banfield hasn't been given a chance after drafting him
The day Arnott came in for Thomas and was played exclusively in the forward pocket to allow petterd to play in the guts was the day that confirmed the club has stamped arnotts papers. He was duly dropped the following week. I think its sad as I rate Arnott and love his attack on the ball and man and would love to se him given a fair chance to see what hes got.
Banfield I dont know enough about on this seasons form, but historically i dont see his skillset as someone who could be play in and under. Almost exclusively a small fwd with pace who harrasses well but skills are subpar
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dont think Banfield is a realistic starting midfeilder
then again hardwick plays grigg their for the senior team so htf would know
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I'd do this
King- retired
Helbig- delist
O'Hanlon- delist
Edwards- delist
Batchelor- trade for a 3rd rounder
Griffiths- trade for a pick anywhere from 15 to 25
Jackson- trade, we have outgrown him, trade for a 2nd/3rd rounder
Petterd- rookie list
Thomas- rookie list
Miles now on the list but 8 spots on the list proper.
Get Chip Frawley and Garlett, so that leaves 6 spots
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Mcintosh was born 1994 (20)
Arnot Darrou Elton Ohanlon 1993 (21)
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I reckon some supporters should be delisted. :thumbsup
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I'd do this
King- retired
Helbig- delist
O'Hanlon- delist
Edwards- delist
Batchelor- trade for a 3rd rounder
Griffiths- trade for a pick anywhere from 15 to 25
Jackson- trade, we have outgrown him, trade for a 2nd/3rd rounder
Petterd- rookie list
Thomas- rookie list
Miles now on the list but 8 spots on the list proper.
Get Chip Frawley and Garlett, so that leaves 6 spots
would like to take this post a bit further.
not sure who to trade for a pick close to nd 15 but i sure as hell hope we could do it, in playing the game and assuming assuming we get pick 15 id be happy if our drafts went along these lines.
in - garlett trade, frawley f/a.
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11 jayden laverde, liam duggan, jordan degoey. thats if we go for a mid first up one of these three should be there.laverde can play anywhere.
15 caleb marchbank, jake lever, tom lamb. would be lucky if the first two got to us here if one did with frawley it would sow up our defense for yrs to come and allow us to focus on other areas in yrs to come. would consider all three at pick 11.
29 tyler kietel if lamb was missed at 15 id take this lad here. lamb and kietel are types of tall fwds we lack.
47 clem smith reckon size coulkd see this blike slip to the third round. we need quality sml defenders and he fits the bill. connor blakely really like this kid seems pretty well rounded to me seems to be out of favor with the pundits would imo be a good get here.
65 ryan lim most write him off but he can play and his footskills are decent unlike what most are saying. jesse watchman we need more tall fwds.he looks a likely type to me.
rookie
darcy cameron ruck
isaiah miller def/mid
both over looked last yr and both can play imo.
plus two rookie spots for anyone who may slip or a state league recruit.
the trouble with thissort of scenario is it would involve cutting/trading out 11 players including rookies. they just wont do it.
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Harrison Wigg please.
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Harrison Wigg please.
Who would you de-list
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Jayden Laverde. Just what we need.
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Jayden Laverde. Just what we need.
The question is will we have a 1st round pick because if your looking at a Tomlinson then getting him and keeping our first rounder may be difficult.
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After the latest batch of re-signings, here's the current list of Tigers who are still out of contract:
Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Helbig, Knights, McDonough, O'Hanlon & Petterd.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20680.msg457185#msg457185
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After the latest batch of re-signings, here's the current list of Tigers who are still out of contract:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20680.msg457185#msg457185
Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Helbig, Knights, McDonough, O'Hanlon & Petterd.
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After the latest batch of re-signings, here's the current list of Tigers who are still out of contract:
Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Helbig, Knights, McDonough, O'Hanlon & Petterd.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20680.msg457185#msg457185
Knights is contracted.
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McDonut going home isn't he.
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stuffing hope not
i spose he got sick of not getting a go with newman king jackson thomas types being holier than thou
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After the latest batch of re-signings, here's the current list of Tigers who are still out of contract:
Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Helbig, Knights, McDonough, O'Hanlon & Petterd.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20680.msg457185#msg457185
Knights is contracted.
Just like his seasons usually are.
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One more retirement would do it technically
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should have been Newman
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My mail is Jacko will retire.
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My mail is Jacko will retire.
Your mail is obviously better than BJs
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Jacko's retirement has saved a younger fringe player from the chop.
Those still out of contract: Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Helbig, McDonough, O'Hanlon, Petterd as well as rookies Darrou, Stephenson, Williams, Banfield, Thomas.
Still assuming we don't go beyond the 4th round in the National Draft if say we have picks 10, 30, 48 & 64. Means 3 current senior listed players will have to go to fit the newbie draftees onto our senior list. More than 3 will go if we go after a free agent.
Senior list:
Out:
King (retired)
Jackson (retired)
A.Edwards
Helbig
O'Hanlon
Possibly Arnot or even Knights (if he joins Jacko and retires due too many injuries)
I would add Dea but, as other have pointed out, the coaching staff rates him so he'll now stay.
In:
Miles (elevated)
1st ND pick
2nd ND pick
3rd ND pick
4th ND pick
Possibly a Free agent
Rookie list changes:
Out: Darrou, Williams, Banfield.
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Jacko's retirement has saved a younger fringe player from the chop.
Jackson (retired)
In:
Miles (elevated)
Thomas (elevated)
1st ND pick
2nd ND pick
3rd ND pick
Possibly a Free agent / Trade
Rookie list changes:
Out: Darrou, Williams, Banfield. Stephenson
Imo with jackos retirement its even more likely we will promote thomas as his direct replacement.
atm cant see us useing more than 3 nd picks which is a shame.
reckon we will compensate for this by cutting 4 rookies. there is absolutely no reason to keep stephenson on any list if we jst arent going to use him at afl level. its a total waste of a spot that shoyld be going to a 20 23 yo ruckman that has potential and can be developed. a bit like the tom derickx experiment. just because it failed once it does not mean you dont do it again. in fact this is what the rookie list is for imo.
heres a list of the 10 uncontracted players i think should go first.
king, jackson, edwards, stephenson, helbig, banfield, ohanlon, arnot, darrou and williams.all bar williams have had 3 yrs at least so we have had a real good look at em and should be able to make a decision on them. the first 6 in particular just have to go 4 plus yrs is enough id say.
these ten contributed a combined total of 21 games this yr so they will hardly be missed as far contribution to the senior team goes.
the sad part is theres just as many with contracts and a few more without who could easily be placed on this list.
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Jacko quits
We promote Thomas
And delist arnot and helbig
And possible Bach and dea,mcdonuts
Mind boggling and depression invoking
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Thomas won't be promoted. Pretty sure he's accepted a spot on the rookie list again.
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Bachelor won't be delisted
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Jacko's retirement has saved a younger fringe player from the chop.
Jackson (retired)
In:
Miles (elevated)
Thomas (elevated)
1st ND pick
2nd ND pick
3rd ND pick
Possibly a Free agent / Trade
Rookie list changes:
Out: Darrou, Williams, Banfield. Stephenson
Imo with jackos retirement its even more likely we will promote thomas as his direct replacement.
atm cant see us useing more than 3 nd picks which is a shame.
reckon we will compensate for this by cutting 4 rookies. there is absolutely no reason to keep stephenson on any list if we jst arent going to use him at afl level. its a total waste of a spot that shoyld be going to a 20 23 yo ruckman that has potential and can be developed. a bit like the tom derickx experiment. just because it failed once it does not mean you dont do it again. in fact this is what the rookie list is for imo.
heres a list of the 10 uncontracted players i think should go first.
king, jackson, edwards, stephenson, helbig, banfield, ohanlon, arnot, darrou and williams.all bar williams have had 3 yrs at least so we have had a real good look at em and should be able to make a decision on them. the first 6 in particular just have to go 4 plus yrs is enough id say.
these ten contributed a combined total of 21 games this yr so they will hardly be missed as far contribution to the senior team goes.
the sad part is theres just as many with contracts and a few more without who could easily be placed on this list.
Our lack of ruck depth thanks to that shocker of a trade for Hampson is why I think the Big O may be kept on as a rookie. I can only see Stephenson going if we recruit another ready-made ruckman or he retires himself.
The number of draft picks we use will of course depend on what we do in the free agency and trade markets. Too early to tell yet but to just use 3 picks would be disappointing from a list management point of view. The club mustn't lose sight of developing and maintaining a balanced list long-term across the age brackets otherwise we'll be repeating past mistakes and end up with major gaps in these age brackets (St Kilda over the past 5 years is the perfect example of what not to do in terms of list management).
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Would like at least three bottom age players
Only one 'kid' in the last draft concerning