One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 27, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
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Full article at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/port-adelaide-and-st-kilda-clear-outliers-on-afl-age-ladder-20140826-108cis.html
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hawforns last shot at a flag for a while
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You'd think after about three years its going be an expansion club duopoly
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And everyone is saying the "young" saints team! :whistle
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
Same number as us under 25 Bents....
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
Same number as us under 25 Bents....
Yeah but they have more over 30's than us. We have 1 (Newman stand corrected if there's more) and the Saints have what 3-5?
That has a massive impact on this average age
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
Same number as us under 25 Bents....
Yeah but they have more over 30's than us. We have 1 (Newman stand corrected if there's more) and the Saints have what 3-5?
That has a massive impact on this average age
I know that. If you classify youngsters as under 25 though, we have equal number to a team that everyone refers to as being very young. That is my point.
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
Same number as us under 25 Bents....
Yeah but they have more over 30's than us. We have 1 (Newman stand corrected if there's more) and the Saints have what 3-5?
That has a massive impact on this average age
Does Orren count?
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I would assume
Without looking at list
Saints have llotsof yyoung players LLots of old players. Nothing in between
Same number as us under 25 Bents....
Yeah but they have more over 30's than us. We have 1 (Newman stand corrected if there's more) and the Saints have what 3-5?
That has a massive impact on this average age
Does Orren count?
Don't know
I didn't include him because he's a rookie
As I said I don't know if they include rookies in the numbers but even if they do means we only have 2 over 30
I know that. If you classify youngsters as under 25 though, we have equal number to a team that everyone refers to as being very young. That is my point.
Fair enough
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Sides like Esendope and Norf are in for a world of pain in coming seasons. Their best players are grandpas
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what a crock of shipt these stuffn "ladders" are.
What imbecile does this?
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OMG 12th oldest. Unacceptable, heads should roll.
/whineyOERmoles
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OMG 12th oldest. Unacceptable, heads should roll.
/whineyOERmoles
Sack the coach!
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OMG 12th oldest. Unacceptable, heads should roll.
/whineyOERmoles
Sack the coach!
Sack everyone. Angst and woe!
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OMG 12th oldest. Unacceptable, heads should roll.
/whineyOERmoles
Sack the coach!
Sack everyone. Angst and woe!
Nah.....just sack the captain - it's all his fault!
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this is the exact right time to add another 4 or 5 teenagers through the draft to the list. Keep on building on the base that's been created.
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why are these blokes getting paid to write such dribble. i really hope supporters of all clubs have a bit of common sense about em.
is it me or is there an abundunce of inane reporting going on.
will give an example.
poor old stk i would think their future is really bleak going y that garbage. but if i add 5 or 6 kids that have played a fair bit of footy this yr for them then id say they wpould field one of the younger teams.
why do we put up with such lazy one dimensionl reporting. just another reason that turns one away from the game, iots actually insulting ones intelligence.
thank god im in perth where i dont reqad the paper or have to put up with the constant diahorrea from news outlets.
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7 Hayes, Lenny 296 34yr 7mth 14 Jan 1980 186cm 85kg Pennant Hills Midfield
25 Fisher, Sam 197 32yr 1mth 10 Jul 1982 191cm 94kg West Adelaide Defender
12 Riewoldt, Nick 280 31yr 10mth 17 Oct 1982 193cm 96kg Southport Forward
11 Montagna, Leigh 231 30yr 9mth 2 Nov 1983 178cm 78kg Northern Knights Midfield
24 Dempster, Sean 181 30yr 7mth 20 Jan 1984 191cm 87kg Gippsland Power Defender
4 Jones, Clinton 148 30yr 6mth 2 Feb 1984 183cm 83kg South Fremantle Midfield
13 Schneider, Adam 212 30yr 3mth 12 May 1984 175cm 79kg Osborne Forward
30 Murdoch, Brodie 16 20yr 7mth 21 Jan 1994 188cm 78kg Glenelg Forward
34 Wright, Nathan 14 20yr 6mth 16 Feb 1994 185cm 77kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
35 Saunders, Josh 20 19yr 11mth 31 Aug 1994 180cm 78kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
23 White, Spencer 1 19yr 11mth 22 Sep 1994 196cm 84kg Western Jets Forward
42 Pierce, Lewis 0 19yr 9mth 16 Nov 1994 202cm 88kg - Ruck
36 Dunstan, Luke 16 19yr 6mth 29 Jan 1995 184cm 82kg Woodville West Torrens Midfield
15 Billings, Jack 16 19yr 18 Aug 1995 185cm 76kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
Forward
43 Templeton, Eli (R) 6 19yr 19 Aug 1995 182cm 73kg Burnie Dockers Midfield
40 Acres, Blake 3 18yr 10mth 7 Oct 1995 191cm 86kg West Perth Midfield
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hawforns last shot at a flag for a while
why do you say that. they have 26 players born from 1990 and after. yes they have 7 players who turn 30 or more this yr and they wont all go at the same time. if they transition well they can stay up.
at the start of the yr their ave list age was haw 23yr/349d v rich 24yr/54d they actually have a younger overall list.
7 Hayes, Lenny 296 34yr 7mth 14 Jan 1980 186cm 85kg Pennant Hills Midfield
25 Fisher, Sam 197 32yr 1mth 10 Jul 1982 191cm 94kg West Adelaide Defender
12 Riewoldt, Nick 280 31yr 10mth 17 Oct 1982 193cm 96kg Southport Forward
11 Montagna, Leigh 231 30yr 9mth 2 Nov 1983 178cm 78kg Northern Knights Midfield
24 Dempster, Sean 181 30yr 7mth 20 Jan 1984 191cm 87kg Gippsland Power Defender
4 Jones, Clinton 148 30yr 6mth 2 Feb 1984 183cm 83kg South Fremantle Midfield
13 Schneider, Adam 212 30yr 3mth 12 May 1984 175cm 79kg Osborne Forward
30 Murdoch, Brodie 16 20yr 7mth 21 Jan 1994 188cm 78kg Glenelg Forward
34 Wright, Nathan 14 20yr 6mth 16 Feb 1994 185cm 77kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
35 Saunders, Josh 20 19yr 11mth 31 Aug 1994 180cm 78kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
23 White, Spencer 1 19yr 11mth 22 Sep 1994 196cm 84kg Western Jets Forward
42 Pierce, Lewis 0 19yr 9mth 16 Nov 1994 202cm 88kg - Ruck
36 Dunstan, Luke 16 19yr 6mth 29 Jan 1995 184cm 82kg Woodville West Torrens Midfield
15 Billings, Jack 16 19yr 18 Aug 1995 185cm 76kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
Forward
43 Templeton, Eli (R) 6 19yr 19 Aug 1995 182cm 73kg Burnie Dockers Midfield
40 Acres, Blake 3 18yr 10mth 7 Oct 1995 191cm 86kg West Perth Midfield
acres, billings, saunders, templeton, dunstan, pierce, webster, roberton, hickey did not play, most are injured and none are older than 23. what does those inclusions do to stkildas ave age.
the saints ave age over the last 4 or so weeks has dramatically risen because of injuries and a drop off in form from youngsters forcing them to field older sides and their two oldest sides for the yr in the last two weeks. and this nuff nuff journalist uses these stats.
how silly is it to infer something on one very small sample of the whole,just one week when you play your oldest team and infer some sort of dilemma.whats amazing is people lap it up.
what will hayes and most likely jones, and schnieders retirements do to their overall age next yr as well as the inclusion of most of those kids back into their team. i know lets do a one off week then and boy watch out out for the inevitable massive change.
oh and finally at the start of 14/3/14 kick off to the season stkildas ave age for their list was 22yrs/ 343 days, ours was 24yrs/54days.
i will say again why people read such garbage is beyond me
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Hawks have shown time and again they have an incredible ability to transition a rebuild. Wouldnt expect them to drop much or at the very least not for very long
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While you are probably right
17 Lake, Brian 226 32yr 6mth 27 Feb 1982 195cm 100kg Woodville-West Torrens Defender
5 Mitchell, Sam 258 31yr 10mth 12 Oct 1982 179cm 83kg Eastern Ranges Defender
Midfield
9 Burgoyne, Shaun 266 31yr 10mth 21 Oct 1982 186cm 89kg Port Adelaide Defender
Midfield
12 Sewell, Brad 199 30yr 6mth 2 Feb 1984 181cm 85kg North Ballarat Rebels Midfield
6 Gibson, Josh 162 30yr 5mth 13 Mar 1984 189cm 94kg Port Melbourne Defender
20 Hale, David 216 30yr 3mth 22 May 1984 201cm 102kg Broadbeach Forward
Ruck
15 Hodge, Luke 247 30yr 2mth 15 Jun 1984 185cm 90kg Geelong Falcons Defender
Midfield
All seven over 30 on the list would be best 22 players. Outside of sewell
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reckon there is a lot of hang ups with mature players. yet the average number of players who turn 30 this yr at each club is 5.
at richmond we have just 4 and i think we will retire or delist 3 of them in king, stephenson, a edwards, personally i would have liked to see newman retire as well because i think his out put and leadership on field is lacking.
its been my opinion that we can and should target QUALITY players if they can serve a purpose. ie chapman, goddard.
MATURE PLAYERS AND VETS IMO ARE THE MOST VALUABLE COMMODITY A CLUB CAN HAVE IF THOSE PLAYERS ARE QUALITY PLAYERS AND LEADERS..
Whoops sorry caps again personally i would have no problem if we had 7 players aged between 29 plus like hawthorn does like geelong do like syd do. they have very good players in this area who set the tone and standard, they lead and instruct and allow for smooth transition.
people are wrong in getting hung up on age. it is all about list balance and ensuring there is always experienced leaders showing the way. YOU ONLY NEED LOOK AT HAT HAPPENED TO MELBOURNE WHEN THEY SHED THEIR MATURE PLAYERS, balance the list properly and there will always be leaders and smooth transitions.
heres a list of the number of players who turn 30 yrs old at each club. plus the ave age of each club at the start of the yr. as it stands we have fewer than most clubs regarding 30 yr olds but are one of the older lists. this says to me we have a good number of players aged between 24 and 29.
TM 30YO AVE AGE
AD 5 23/260
BR 7 23/123
CA 6 24/130
CO 5 22/318
ES 3 23/287
FR 5 24/132
GE 9 23/201
GC 4 22/303
GW 2 20/334
HA 7 23/349
ME 3 23/176
NM 4 24/77
PA 2 23/77
RI 4 24/54
ST 7 22/343
SY 7 24/89
WC 2 22/228
WB 5 23/287
theres several things that can be taken away from this but it all relevant to the make up of complete lists.
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St kilda and hawthorn have several of the oldest players in the list in the best 18/22. Richmond has the majority of its talented playes in the young and middle age bracket.
Outside of deledio. Maric. Foley. Houli. There is very little talent on the richmond list in the 26 years and older bracket. Where as other teams, seem to have a great number of talent and leadership in regards to mature players - we do not. Imo
1 Newman, Chris 249 32yr 3mth 18 May 1982 183cm 81kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
37 Stephenson, Orren (R) 15 32yr 1mth 15 Jul 1982 200cm 104kg - Ruck
27 Edwards, Aaron 94 30yr 5mth 2 Mar 1984 184cm 93kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
28 King, Jake 107 30yr 5mth 26 Mar 1984 178cm 82kg Coburg Tigers Forward
41 Foley, Nathan 152 28yr 11mth 8 Sep 1985 178cm 79kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
20 Maric, Ivan 130 28yr 7mth 4 Jan 1986 200cm 102kg Calder Cannons Ruck
25 Chaplin, Troy 183 28yr 6mth 23 Feb 1986 195cm 99kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender
23 Jackson, Daniel 156 28yr 4mth 25 Apr 1986 188cm 92kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
15 Knights, Chris 101 27yr 11mth 25 Sep 1986 184cm 84kg Eastern Ranges Forward
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 100 27yr 6mth 27 Feb 1987 186cm 87kg Port Adelaide Midfield
3 Deledio, Brett 212 27yr 4mth 18 Apr 1987 188cm 88kg Murray Bushrangers Midfield
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 26yr 5mth 21 Mar 1988 201cm 104kg Mt Gravatt Ruck
6 Grigg, Shaun 122 26yr 4mth 19 Apr 1988 190cm 85kg Nth Ballarat Midfield
14 Houli, Bachar 112 26yr 3mth 12 May 1988 180cm 84kg Western Defender
13 Petterd, Ricky 81 26yr 1mth 24 Jul 1988 185cm 85kg Broadbeach Defender
Forward
This is as important if not more important rather than looking at just numbers of people in various age brackets, across the clubs.
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St kilda and hawthorn have several of the oldest players in the list in the best 18/22. Richmond has the majority of its talented playes in the young and middle age bracket.
Outside of deledio. Maric. Foley. Houli. There is very little talent on the richmond list in the 26 years and older bracket. Where as other teams, seem to have a great number of talent and leadership in regards to mature players - we do not. Imo
1 Newman, Chris 249 32yr 3mth 18 May 1982 183cm 81kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
37 Stephenson, Orren (R) 15 32yr 1mth 15 Jul 1982 200cm 104kg - Ruck
27 Edwards, Aaron 94 30yr 5mth 2 Mar 1984 184cm 93kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
28 King, Jake 107 30yr 5mth 26 Mar 1984 178cm 82kg Coburg Tigers Forward
41 Foley, Nathan 152 28yr 11mth 8 Sep 1985 178cm 79kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
20 Maric, Ivan 130 28yr 7mth 4 Jan 1986 200cm 102kg Calder Cannons Ruck
25 Chaplin, Troy 183 28yr 6mth 23 Feb 1986 195cm 99kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender
23 Jackson, Daniel 156 28yr 4mth 25 Apr 1986 188cm 92kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
15 Knights, Chris 101 27yr 11mth 25 Sep 1986 184cm 84kg Eastern Ranges Forward
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 100 27yr 6mth 27 Feb 1987 186cm 87kg Port Adelaide Midfield
3 Deledio, Brett 212 27yr 4mth 18 Apr 1987 188cm 88kg Murray Bushrangers Midfield
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 26yr 5mth 21 Mar 1988 201cm 104kg Mt Gravatt Ruck
6 Grigg, Shaun 122 26yr 4mth 19 Apr 1988 190cm 85kg Nth Ballarat Midfield
14 Houli, Bachar 112 26yr 3mth 12 May 1988 180cm 84kg Western Defender
13 Petterd, Ricky 81 26yr 1mth 24 Jul 1988 185cm 85kg Broadbeach Defender
Forward
This is as important if not more important rather than looking at just numbers of people in various age brackets, across the clubs.
A much better way of looking at the list!
Well done Bents!