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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: letsgetiton! on July 31, 2005, 03:40:31 PM
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now im not at the game but listening on radio as my daughter has pneumonia and thus far im am disgusted in what has panned out up to half time. we all had suspisions we would get complacent and it sall starts and ends on the field iwth th ecaptain. sugar thus far til half time has been nopthing but pathetic, his ball use not so good as usual!!
sorry mt
i know u love sugar but he is nothing but an overrated tivendale imo. i hope in the second half he proves me wrong and the boys can start using the ball correctly.
and can some teach cogs and tell him never to kick high hospital; floating passes, the kids never learns.
and btw why the f cant we kick str8 at the dome
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3/4 time and its time to send sugar back to adelaide. its a damn disgrace that this game is so important and only our young guys are having a true dip! this is a game where a captain must stand up , the kangas came from 40pts down today , why???? because they have a true captain and true leaders on the field!!!! injuries are no excuse , we are playing 4 finals v the bottom team!!!! and that fat arse red head just keeps getting the ball and rebounding, the slowest man in afl history.
i honestly do believe as i said in a previous thread , we need to get rid of at least 10 more players!!!
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I wouldn't get too excited X-CITED. The possibility of finals is a bit of temporary excitement but I think that the enormity of the task ahead is still clear to most. The main playing core of this team is still much the same as the one that won a spoon.
Also keep in mind that most Vic clubs are basically playing for 7th and 8th these days - they're playing in a B league that provides filler for the main non-Vic teams.
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All our senior guys were poor X. I'm not going to defend any of them after today's "effort" but to single out one above all is ridiculous. It's his fault other blokes in his team who are meant to be AFL standard can't perform a basic skill such a kicking a ball between two posts from 30m or less. In fact our skills from everyone today were nothing short of pathetic. Hartigan possibly the exception.
The final score would've been the same no matter who was captain today. As for the Roos comeback today - a week is along time in footy as we came back from 43 points down against Port in Adelaide before just going down. Although the Roos are a better side than us let's not forget Port have been giving up huge leads all year.
PS hit the nail on the head. The main playing core of this team is still much the same as the one that won the spoon last year.
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Your right MT, most of our senior players were ordinary today.
Sure Sugar wasnt great but there were many more worse than him and i think Krak was X.
But as MT said its unfair to try and blame one or two players, most of them were responsible for that terrible performance today and they need to have a good hard look at themselves.
I am sure that Terry will sort them out.
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He's a fraud.
Worst captain of the RFC in many years.
Has no influence and half his plays result in turnovers.
He's fooled everyone.
If he was as good as he believes he is we would be rokkin'
Soory,just the way i see it.
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His nowhere near 100% fit, i am sure of it!
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lmfaoooo@X having it in for Johnson by half time.
He's definitely injured but no doubt he played bad - as did 3 quarters of the team.
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I know he can play but in a situation like today you need to show
more leadership and direction,especially when u have rookies running around.
I know he's injured but in my guts i rate him less than i would Campb.
Campbell is still in charge really.
Cane is a thong wearing Bogan.
LMAOOOOOOOO@Frawley taking credit for krakheads growth rate.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO@Finals footy.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO@ Actually winning one if we did get in.
Having said that,Im still happy in comparison to last year
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We are still feeling the repercussions of Frawley's era and will be for the next couple of years it's sad to say.
Over the next two years I think we will get rid of about 13-15 players and start working towards having a genuine finals-level team.
Bottom line is we have too many soft koks and too many intellectually wacko players to make a go if it at the moment.
That we have done as well as we have this year is a credit to us because talent wise i'd say we're about 12th if not lower.
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Bottom line is we have too many soft koks and too many intellectually wacko players to make a go if it at the moment
Cant say it any better than that John!!!!
LMAO@Frawley and his bullsh&t comments
And what the hell was Bowden thinking today when he was running into goal and decided to handball which resulted in a throw in. i nearly threw up.
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mt, if u read my posts u would see yes i did mention sugar as he is the one who leads us and brings us down!!!
i did say its our young guys are having a dip as in all our experienced players are letting the team dwn! it starts with th ecaptain! just face it, sugar is not the player the medis, th eclub and most fools think he is!!! he is the one who cost us today!!! sure other players missed easy goals but they didnt cr8 goals from turnovers from poo disposal!!!!
pettifer, bling,deledio, harts, and hilton were our best players today, graham tried hard as did thursfield and campbell. but when ur captain starts the game playing like a dog , most will follow suit!
just accept the facts and we must stop looking through black and yellow glasses, sugar is crap, cogs has no idea what to do with the ball once he gets it, he also misses too many targets and kicks to many slow floating hospital passes, at least when hyde lays a kick he will spear it lace out.
cogs was a joke today also and he just flowed from sugar.
i will not take injuries as an excuse, once ur on the ground ur fit, we play our best footy when sugar isnt playing or on the bench.
im just being realistic and adelaide let him go too easily because they knew what everyone else didnt. some players are just lucky to play grandfinals!
i dont care what or who the players want as captain, its no fgood having a captain who cannot hit a target or make the right decisions!
as a realist i knoe we are along way from being a power side, but what bugs me is why are we wasting time with players like hall, tiv, johnson, stafford, campbell and co because we have 5 years to rebuild and we have wasted much of this yr by not giving many kids game time as the hawks have done! our ladder position early on fooled many , it just sux becaus ei knew what happened today would happen, i tipped the blues in my footy tips because i could sense this. our boys got complacent as did geelong, but it all starts from tha captain on field. terry warned the players and everyone all week that this could happen, it was up to all the leaders, starting from sugar to keep everyone focused.
well done to all the kids today, at least they had a dip .
sugar , shame on u, u aint that sweet, u wanted to be captain , well play and act like one!
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And what the hell was Bowden thinking today when he was running into goal and decided to handball which resulted in a throw in. i nearly threw up.
And thanks Bully for reminding me of that piece of ....er..... play.
If we wanna be critical of our leaders - be critical of that because it was pathetic and.............
Why wasn't he dragged for it :help >:(
he is the one who cost us today!!!
Look I was disappointed with Suga today but he was the one that cost us - please give me a break. There were 22 players representing the Tigers and beleive me not many of them can say the did so well
sure other players missed easy goals but they didnt cr8 goals from turnovers from pooh disposal!!!!
Sorry X - but if you are forward and 20 metres out from goal directly in front and miss then in my book that's costly and Simmonds misses were extremely costly today.
pettifer, bling,deledio, harts, and hilton were our best players today
I will repeat Hilton was NOT one of best today
graham tried hard as did thursfield and campbell.
Just on Thursfiled - yep he tried hard but he had a bad day
at least when hyde lays a kick he will spear it lace out.
This is true he did it today at least 3 times. There was only one tiny problem they went straight to Carlton players but yep he did hit 'em lace out
i will not take injuries as an excuse, once ur on the ground ur fit,
Sorry X but you confuse me with this one. For the last few weeks you've been defending Simmonds for his poor performances because you said he's carrying an injury. Either you take them as excuse for everyone or you take them for no one.
As I said it wasn't one of Suga's best games but he wasn't alone - it was a very poor performance right across the board
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And what the hell was Bowden thinking today when he was running into goal and decided to handball which resulted in a throw in. i nearly threw up.
I was about to open up a thread on this but after watching this joke for 9 years I aint wasting a whole new database record on him here at OER.
My hand is still bruised from that passage of play. What an absolute farce that was.......Im about to be sick thinking about it. How stuffing moronic was that. I agree Sugar aint no captain but this moron instead? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Bottom line is we have too many soft koks and too many intellectually wacko players to make a go if it at the moment
Cant say it any better than that John!!!!
LMAO@Frawley and his bullsh&t comments
And what the hell was Bowden thinking today when he was running into goal and decided to handball which resulted in a throw in. i nearly threw up.
Now we know why coaches want their players to always take the first option. Bowden often doesn't and though it makes him look good baulking players, it can also be costly, as we saw in that terrible piece of play.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO@ Down Syndrome kicking in for Joel @ 35 out.
Great to see we can still pull s h i t like that off.
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wp,
simmonds should not have played the past weeks if injured, yes, but once ur on the field ur fit , sugar is crap, and yes he did cost us as he set the standard early on and lead pathetically. all the senior group let us down and how can u say hilton was no good, he tried his guts out and had minimal stuff ups!!!!!
not sure what game u were watching but hilton went fwd back fwd back and did what he had to do!!!!!
just accept it that sugar is not the player u think he is! wells turned the game around for the roos yesterday , we could have had that true champion skillled athlete footy player in our jumper but we chose sugar, and only if u know the real reasons why the crows did not want him! cant believe we actually took him , just because he barracked 4 us as a kid, well stiff poo, so did luke hodge and shane crawford and they are guns
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sugar is crap, and yes he did cost us as he set the standard early on and lead pathetically. all the senior group let us down
X - I have said Suga did not play well. But so did most of them. To say one person only cost us the game is ridiculous. To say he set the standard early on is off the mark because he didn't start in the centre and that's what cost us early. The simple clearance they got killed us big time and the people in the centre were Tuck. Cogs and Hyde.
and how can u say hilton was no good, he tried his guts out and had minimal stuff ups!!!!!
not sure what game u were watching but hilton went fwd back fwd back and did what he had to do!!!!!
Quite easy X - I was there saw it and his half hearted 2nd efforts were terrible. I watched part of the replay last night and the TV never gives a clear indiication of things because the TV focus in on a specific area of the game and not what's happening 5-10 metres away. THe TV didn't show him not chasing Lappin off the HBF.
just accept it that sugar is not the player u think he is!
I accept that he played a poor game X but I will repeat he wasn't alone.
As for the Wells argument - when we traded for Johnson it was pick 4 not pick 2 - so if the picks had remained the same we still wouldn't have got Wells at 4 (why the Saints chose Goddardover Wells still staggers me). If when we traded pick 4 we defiitely knew it was going to become pick 2 we wouldn't have done it
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i will not take injuries as an excuse, once ur on the ground ur fit, we play our best footy when sugar isnt playing or on the bench.
im just being realistic and adelaide let him go too easily because they knew what everyone else didnt. some players are just lucky to play grandfinals!
WP answered what I was going to say about Simmonds and blaming one person for a comprehensive loss. Sorry X, Sugar played poorly and we were lethargic (why doesn't Wallace share the blame as well if you believe Sugar was responsible. Is it not the coach's job as well to motivate?) but it ain't his nor Terry's fault that our forwards are the worse kicks at goal at crucial times. The Blues were pumping running goals and wideish set shots from 50m yet we couldn't kick straight from 20-30m out directly in front. It's a joke that at this standard blokes on $100Ks can't perform the easiest task in footy - a set kick under no physical pressure and with no set time limit :banghead. Add to that our lack of accountability. It's a cop out for our other players to say they need to be shown by the captain how to perform the basics of footy. What are they sheep?! What happened to pride in your own performance and responsibility for your own opponent.
As for some players being lucky to play GF - That's true in some cases (although good on them achieving their dream) but there's no luck in ending up being in the best 2-4 guys on the ground in back-to-back winning teams.
we have 5 years to rebuild and we have wasted much of this yr by not giving many kids game time as the hawks have done!
We've had 6 debutants play this year plus given Tuck and Hyde their first full season of AFL despite being competitive for most of the year. Not bad for the reigning wooden spooner! X you are believing too much of the crap coming from Hawk fans. Luke Ball at the Saints played just one game in his first year. I had to laugh at the headline on the AFL site about the Eagles just doing enough against the Hawks on the weekend. What was it - 40 scoring shots to 14 :o. If the Eagles had kicked 25.12 instead of 12.25 the Hawks would have got pumped by 120 points. Add to that the Hawks had more handballs than kicks under master coach Clarkson's gameplan. Is that how you want our kids to develop? Wallace is trying to install a winning culture and a modern winning gameplan. That's why he took strips off each player individually after yesterday's game.
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X you are believing too much of the crap coming from Hawk fans. Luke Ball at the Saints played just one game in his first year. I had to laugh at the headline on the AFL site about the Eagles just doing enough against the Hawks on the weekend.
WHATS IS IT EXACTLY HAWKS FANS ARE SAYING? i have no idea what hawks fans say as
1/ i dont give a crap
2/ i dont have time to bother about going to any of their sites
but i do know where we finished last year and i was the one who on sen told kb we would lose the last 14 games str8 abd the old b laughed at me! i know where we are at , and i know 100% where all the players are at , and as a captain and player, sugar has bluffed everyone. he will captain next yr but my hunch is taht will be it as captian 4 us. his disposal for a player with alleged skill os appalling, iots worse thatn tivendales but tiv gets all the stuff ,as he should!
if we played on the w/e at subiaco we would have been flogged in the same manor as the hawks. i predicted 10 wins 4 us at the start of the yr, i think we will get 10, next year we will win 15 games, i understand the process more than than many believe i do, i am not expececting miracles in terrys 1st yr and i hope to god we dont make final as we need more quality draft kids. i have been a member at the tiger since i was 14 yo, i once looked through black and yellow specs but now im comfortable to see our team as it is,
1/ we are really a side around the 10th-12th position on the ladder, anything above that means we have been lucky, still damn gr8 after last yr, which i honestly believ the players tanked it as they could not stand df as coach. bec of this they went downhill and this yr was a yr f4 terry to start catching up, thats why tehy are running out of legs at this stage, its the first yr in the last 5 they had a real pre season, their bodies are still being conditioned.
2/ we lack leaders
3/ we lack stregnth still, we still as a team cannot tackle nor break tackles
4/ we still lack footy smarts, thats bec the older players are set in their ways, u cant teach old dogs new tricks
5/ we lack hunger, the senior group proved this on saturday , and it starts with the captain.
6/ we lack an inspirational match winning captain, who can change a game with his skill, attitude and leadership
thats where we are at, still have a long way to go
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WHATS IS IT EXACTLY HAWKS FANS ARE SAYING? i have no idea what hawks fans say as
1/ i dont give a crap
2/ i dont have time to bother about going to any of their sites
Sound advice X if you did read their crap :thumbsup. Just you saying the Hawks have got games under their kids belts reminded me of the comments made by Hawk trolls on BF's main board who reckon they've cleaned up with Roughead, Franklin and Lewis and we stuffed up not taking a KPP instead of Tambling.
he (Sugar) will captain next yr but my hunch is taht will be it as captian 4 us
I would say that was the plan all along whoever of the 4 got the gig at the start of the year. Give it to someone experienced for a couple of years then pass it on to the next generation who should hopefully be far better leaders and in greater numbers.
i predicted 10 wins 4 us at the start of the yr, i think we will get 10, next year we will win 15 games, i understand the process more than than many believe i do, i am not expececting miracles in terrys 1st yr and i hope to god we dont make final as we need more quality draft kids. i have been a member at the tiger since i was 14 yo, i once looked through black and yellow specs but now im comfortable to see our team as it is.
Just because I don't think Sugar's a dud doesn't mean I see things through Y&B specs. I've been a Richmond supporter for 25 years (some people here have been far far longer) so after two decades of failure I know a dud when I see one lol ;D.
I predicted 8 wins or thereabouts at best from memory and a bottom 4 finish. I didn't think we'd beat Port and Brissy. So we've done better than I expected no matter what happens from here. IMO no way will we win 15 next year. That's top 4 material which even after another preseason under our belts we will be nowhere near. As you said X we've got a long way to go. Our draw in 2006 will be far tougher after a dream one this year and we still lack depth. Unless we have our best 22 on the field we struggle big time. Apart from Deledio the kids won't come good for another year or two at least. Plus opposition sides will know more about us and how we play under Wallace. It wouldn't surprise me if we take a step back next year and a final cleanout before moving forward again in 2007. A strong draft coming up in 2006 btw.
1/ we are really a side around the 10th-12th position on the ladder, anything above that means we have been lucky, still damn gr8 after last yr, which i honestly believ the players tanked it as they could not stand df as coach. bec of this they went downhill and this yr was a yr f4 terry to start catching up, thats why tehy are running out of legs at this stage, its the first yr in the last 5 they had a real pre season, their bodies are still being conditioned.
Agree X with such a young side and the hard preseson we did that it's not unexpected that we would tire towards the end of the season. I would say it was our first real preseason since Northey was coach!
2/ we lack leaders
3/ we lack stregnth still, we still as a team cannot tackle nor break tackles
4/ we still lack footy smarts, thats bec the older players are set in their ways, u cant teach old dogs new tricks
Agree with all that.
5/ we lack hunger, the senior group proved this on saturday , and it starts with the captain.
6/ we lack an inspirational match winning captain, who can change a game with his skill, attitude and leadership
As I said before personally I think this is a cop out. If you need someone else to motivate before a vital game then you aren't up to it. Heaven forbid if it was a GF :help. I agree we lack hunger. We are a confidence team. I think our boys are too nice and don't get angry enough. Even the Blues were pumped to get revenge and end our season. From the outside it doesn't look like many of our guys would return the favour. There's no intimidation factor.
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its good we can agree on some things and its gr8 we can disagree on others. thats what makes these forums a good thing as we can all have our own opinions, im not trying to cinvince anyone to change their minds about sugar, i just am expressing my opinion about him and i guess when we have dud performances my anger and frustrations possibly could cloud my judgement.
what i do however beleive is we picked the right boys in the draft and know we are on the right track 4 a change. this year i suppose is a yr 4 terry to really analyse the players we have
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Hard to knock Sugar's game today. Only one of the few that had a brain out there today in the second half and continued to run to receive and keep the ball moving.
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Hard to knock Sugar's game today. Only one of the few that had a brain out there today in the second half and continued to run to receive and keep the ball moving.
i agree , i will give credit where its due, by far sugars best game 4 the yr. his long kicking was also more direct but his skill level still has to improve. i believe that sugar as a running onballer should kick more goals , our midfield just does not kick enough . i hope next yr, foley will develop in the in and under hard player and give sugar a chance to possibily link up and kick more goals and hopefully with rodan fit and firing we can get more goals out of our midfield. sugar myust play every game as hard as he did yesterday and then he will be a worthy captain.
cogs is a worry, i feel we should use him as trade bait for someone from the west, send him back home 4 a decent player with zip and skill. it was great seeing newnam, hyde and esp hartigan run through the lines , i really do believe we have a bright future, hopefully we get a full season and the best back from browny and draft smartly and we are up and away.
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Seemed fitter this week then previously but still not 100%, there were times when he just jogging at not even half-pace.
He played a great game though!
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Seemed fitter this week then previously but still not 100%, there were times when he just jogging at not even half-pace.
He played a great game though!
Agree Blade - there was a couple of times when he had chased hard for the first effort but then didn't have the fitness to go the second time.
Best game he's played for weeks IMO
i believe that sugar as a running onballer should kick more goals , our midfield just does not kick enough .
Spot on X, we just don't get enough goals from our entire mid-field. IMO you need at least (at a minimum) 15 goals a year from your mid-fielders. I think we'd be lucky if had 25 goals between the lot of them
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i believe that sugar as a running onballer should kick more goals , our midfield just does not kick enough .
Spot on X, we just don't get enough goals from our entire mid-field. IMO you need at least (at a minimum) 15 goals a year from your mid-fielders. I think we'd be lucky if had 25 goals between the lot of them
When you look at the Eagles they have Cousins with 21.10, Fletcher 17.10 and Judd 15.22 and 9 guys who've kicked more than 15 goals for the year. With the Saints most of their goals come from their powerful forward line as Ball, Dal Santo and Hayes have kicked 9 each which is on par with Tuck and Cogs. With us we don't have either the running midfield goalkickers nor the six-prong attack to stretch opposition defences. It's Richo, Richo and Richo with us :-\. That's why we're about 50 goals behind. The Crows have kicked as many goals as us and we've kicked more goals than the Swans have but we've conceded 88 and 67 more goals respectively :help
Richo 59
Brown 34 (still second even though he hasn't played for 10 weeks :-\ )
Pettifer 27
Krakouer 21
Simmonds 16
Stafford 14
Deledio 13
Cambo 12
Tuck 9
Cogs 8
Hilton 7
Tambling 6
Bowden 6
Tivs 5
Johnson 4
Knobel 4
Moore 3
Chaffey 3
Hyde 3
Newman 2
Graham 2
Kellaway 2
Schulz 1
Meyer 1
Foley 1
Gaspar 1
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Bottom line is we have too many soft koks and too many intellectually wacko players to make a go if it at the moment.
Essentially we have a group of players who have come to enjoy being bent over and dominated by bigger, stronger more cunning opponents, and who like nothing more than a dozen oysters before a big match.
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A handful of Browns goals would be considered midfield goals.
Remember he was basically leading the goal kicking competition with Richo up until then!
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When you look at the Eagles they have Cousins with 21.10, Fletcher 17.10 and Judd 15.22 and 9 guys who've kicked more than 15 goals for the year. With the Saints most of their goals come from their powerful forward line as Ball, Dal Santo and Hayes have kicked 9 each which is on par with Tuck and Cogs. With us we don't have either the running midfield goalkickers nor the six-prong attack to stretch opposition defences. It's Richo, Richo and Richo with us :-\. That's why we're about 50 goals behind. The Crows have kicked as many goals as us and we've kicked more goals than the Swans have but we've conceded 88 and 67 more goals respectively :help
That’s a big difference and shows some of the areas we lack in, but even though some of the stats may not look so great right now, I still think we have something more promising to look forward to in the coming seasons. The new style of game this season may have meant we conceded more goals, but even with our deficiencies, when we were up and running earlier in the season, our percentage was reasonable, we were able to kick goals quickly and kick big scores, which are all good signs.
The Roos probably have more to worry about than us, at this stage. In many ways, they remind me of Richmond in 2001. They wonder why no one rates them when they have won 3 more games than Richmond, yet only kicked 10 more goals, had 103 points less kicked against them, and are 5th, with a percentage of around 99%.