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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on September 08, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
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* strategy wise, why would we play five defenders and kick against the wind?
* chaplins lack of cream rising to the top is hard to miss
* as much as we love morris hes not the smartest player. Lacks skill and is being playednhurt.
* houli is a squib like his mate troy
Vlastuin should be in the middle
Rance requires assistance. Would of taken a more-than humaneffort for him to not crack the sads yesterday.
People laugh at harry o brien and James frawley. I'm sat here laughing at Richmond and the coaxh
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In the first qtr didn't they have seven defenders and so did we
They definitely had a spare backman because he got about 10 marks in that first qtr
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Port played a spare man back all day.
But their work rate, pace and gut running makes up for it when they rebound up the wings.
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We were outcoached.
They took Rance and Chaplin away from where they have played well lately and got them further up the ground and isolated.
Port's spare man was dominant yet we didn't seem to even have one and were obviously using the extra around the stoppage early.
Teams tried to manipulate Fletcher for years and Essendon didn't let it happen, Hardwick was obviously asleep in the corner when they were discussing how to do it.
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From our current list what is richmonds best backline?
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From our current list what is richmonds best backline?
Grimes - Rance - Astbury/Elton
Houli - Yarran - Vlastuin/Batch
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From our current list what is richmonds best backline?
The one without Chaplin in it?
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From our current list what is richmonds best backline?
Grimes - Rance - Astbury/Elton
Houli - Yarran - Vlastuin/Batch
Would like see vlastuin stay middle...
Castagna > Houli
Even c Ellis / Mcintosh
Houlis squibbery is a major liability ...
Needs to start tagging (not in the backline) or something or step aside and play reserves
God help us if yarren is the same
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If Yarran comes good I say it's time to trade Houli.
He'll be 28 this year and some other club can get three years of average football out of him. Might have some actual currency.
Trade Grigg too...
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If Yarran comes good I say it's time to trade Houli.
He'll be 28 this year and some other club can get three years of average football out of him. Might have some actual currency.
The halal Heath shaw :clapping
trade Grigg too...
Or just delist
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Gold Coast needs houlis leadership really
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What I'd like to see as our back 6 for the remainder of the year
Grimes Rance McIntosh
Conca Elton Yarran
I thought Conca was doing ok at HB during preseason, so worth seeing him there till the end of the year. All things aside he puts his head over the footy and has a decent crack. Plus I don't think he can play anywhere else.
Yarran will be good for us when he is finally fit. He runs hard and is very good by foot.
Elton just needs to be given a chance to play on the oppositions "biggest" forward. He has had long enough in the twos to learn and we should give him a decent chance to prove himself. Give him a job every week and keep it simple for him.
Rance is just an out and out star of the comp.
Grimes is probably our most underrated player and one of our most important IMO. We have missed him since he got injured. Our backline is a lot better with him in it.
McIntish has done really well since going back. He is not a fantastic spoiler of the footy but should be played on smaller opponents. We desperately needs his run from the backline as he will give you 100% effort all day. Been one of the finds this year across HB and will get better with more time there.
That is 6 really solid, hard at the contest players. There is plenty of run amongst them which has been lacking this year.
Use the CEllis and Castgna's on the wing or across HF.
We need bigger bodies in the backline IMO.
Baring maybe Elton, that could be a decent back 6 for a long time. Replace him with Hurley and it's starting to look pretty good.
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Conca is finished mate.
Trade or delist, seriously...
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From within my back 6 for the rest of the year would go
Grimes - Elton - C Moore.
McIntosh - Rance - Deledio
Moore if he shows enough. A strong marking third tall with really good pace and agility is what we are screaming out for.
Others options could be Menadue, or Yarran to provide run pace delivery and rebound. I like the idea of Menadue playing off h/b because i think he would be accountable and will actually defend well. He may still be a bit light atm to plonk back there but that would be my aim down the track. Yarran same as Menadue pace, run rebound and good delivery plays a bit like Houli though and is unaccountable.Would happily plonk him on a wing instead of playing B Ellis.
Deledio for me should play either wing or h/b i know people think otherwise.
Grimes for me is the iffy one and again people will disagree i also think we need to find another quality kpd.
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Conca is finished mate.
Trade or delist, seriously...
+B Ellis x 20
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Grimes for me is the iffy one and again people will disagree i also think we need to find another quality kpd.
What don't you like about Grimes Claw?
Conca is finished mate.
Trade or delist, seriously...
Worth absolute peanuts so may as well play him and he may either a) get injured again or b) increase his trade value. I don't think it could get any worse
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thinks he is soft
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From within my back 6 for the rest of the year would go
Grimes - Elton - C Moore.
McIntosh - Rance - Deledio
Moore if he shows enough. A strong marking third tall with really good pace and agility is what we are screaming out for.
Others options could be Menadue, or Yarran to provide run pace delivery and rebound. I like the idea of Menadue playing off h/b because i think he would be accountable and will actually defend well. He may still be a bit light atm to plonk back there but that would be my aim down the track. Yarran same as Menadue pace, run rebound and good delivery plays a bit like Houli though and is unaccountable.Would happily plonk him on a wing instead of playing B Ellis.
Deledio for me should play either wing or h/b i know people think otherwise.
Grimes for me is the iffy one and again people will disagree i also think we need to find another quality kpd.
BTW, how is Yazza going?
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From within my back 6 for the rest of the year would go
Grimes - Elton - C Moore.
McIntosh - Rance - Deledio
Moore if he shows enough. A strong marking third tall with really good pace and agility is what we are screaming out for.
Others options could be Menadue, or Yarran to provide run pace delivery and rebound. I like the idea of Menadue playing off h/b because i think he would be accountable and will actually defend well. He may still be a bit light atm to plonk back there but that would be my aim down the track. Yarran same as Menadue pace, run rebound and good delivery plays a bit like Houli though and is unaccountable.Would happily plonk him on a wing instead of playing B Ellis.
Deledio for me should play either wing or h/b i know people think otherwise.
Grimes for me is the iffy one and again people will disagree i also think we need to find another quality kpd.
BTW, how is Yazza going?
Yazza will be like a new recruit for us.
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Maybe we could coax Foley out of retirement. Now he would be like a new recruit. :shh
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Morris
Hunt
Chaplin
Still looks bang average
Bring on the yarren
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Morris
Hunt
Chaplin
Still looks bang average
Bring on the yarren
Those 3 need replacing. Moore and Castagna aren't up to it but in an ideal world they would come through and along with Yarran replace those 3 in 2017.
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Certainly didn't miss Houli down there or, dare I say it, McIntosh..... :shh
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I'd go a step,further and say theyve played better without Cotchins insipid leadership.
Not to berate him but there is a problem.
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I'd go a step,further and say theyve played better without Cotchins insipid leadership.
Not to berate him but there is a problem.
Lids certainly stepped up to the plate this week.
Should have always been given the captaincy and have left Cotch alone to develop his game. Then a succession to Cotch once Lids hung up his boots. By then he would have been a better captain too. :shh
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Certainly didn't miss Houli down there or, dare I say it, McIntosh..... :shh
As much as McIntosh does make some mistakes, he curtainly adds some toughness to the backline and a fair bit of rebound. I think HB is his best position for now and hopefully he can reduce those brain fades. He needs to work on his one on one defending but I think he has the tools and attitude to do so. The sooner we see the back of Houli and BEllis in our backline the better.
Same goes with Chaplin and Batchelor.
I'd like to see this at some stage before the year is out.
Grimes Rance Castagna
Conca McIntosh Yarran
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Conca?
:huh
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Conca?
:huh
Yer I thought he did really well there in the pre season. Worth another look at him there.
If not there, he is no where.
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Certainly didn't miss Houli down there or, dare I say it, McIntosh..... :shh
As much as McIntosh does make some mistakes, he curtainly adds some toughness to the backline and a fair bit of rebound. I think HB is his best position for now and hopefully he can reduce those brain fades. He needs to work on his one on one defending but I think he has the tools and attitude to do so. The sooner we see the back of Houli and BEllis in our backline the better.
Same goes with Chaplin and Batchelor.
I'd like to see this at some stage before the year is out.
Grimes Rance Castagna
Conca McIntosh Yarran
If we could get Rance (194cm), Grimes (193) and McIntosh (192) to be our 3 talls down back, it gives us much more rebound than having guys like Astbury, Elton, Chaplin.
If you look at what Hawthorn do with their talls, Frawley (193), Gibson (189), Birchall (193) or Stratton (189), they use smaller more agile and offensive guys to take on opposition tall forwardlines.
Maybe we need to find anther "tall" to play like they do with their 4 "tallish" backman.
Gibson and more so Stratton can play either on smalls or talls which is important.
Thoughts on a backman who we could find to play that roll along side our 3? Broad??
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Conca?
:huh
Yer I thought he did really well there in the pre season. Worth another look at him there.
If not there, he is no where.
He should be nowhere.
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I don't rate Conca either but would play him ahead of Houli every day of the week....
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I don't rate Conca either but would play him ahead of Houli every day of the week....
Conca 2013 was a pretty decent player.
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Long time ago now, my friend.
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Long time ago now, my friend.
Cotchin hasn't been decent since 2012 according to some....
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Morris - Rance - Elton
Yarran - Grimes - Batchelor
I'd like to see something like this tried.
Morris is probably our best small defender though I hate to say it and has a crack. Grimes can play small/med/3rd tall. Want to see Elton play some this year. Batchelor also hate to say it but he's a serviceable mid def, will have a crack and isn't bad by foot/overhead.
Desperately need Yarran off the HBF.
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Certainly didn't miss Houli down there or, dare I say it, McIntosh..... :shh
Don't rate him Dio?
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Morris - Rance - Elton
Yarran - Grimes - Batchelor
I'd like to see something like this tried.
Morris is probably our best small defender though I hate to say it and has a crack. Grimes can play small/med/3rd tall. Want to see Elton play some this year. Batchelor also hate to say it but he's a serviceable mid def, will have a crack and isn't bad by foot/overhead.
Desperately need Yarran off the HBF.
conca to come back in morris or hunt ...
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Certainly didn't miss Houli down there or, dare I say it, McIntosh..... :shh
Don't rate him Dio?
Actually, considering his limited ability, I've quite liked him for the most part since he's been in the seniors (never rated him in the VFL) and thought he looked good when he first went down back but his last few weeks before he went down with injury were putrid IMO.
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Morris - Rance - Elton
Yarran - Grimes - Batchelor
I'd like to see something like this tried.
Morris is probably our best small defender though I hate to say it and has a crack. Grimes can play small/med/3rd tall. Want to see Elton play some this year. Batchelor also hate to say it but he's a serviceable mid def, will have a crack and isn't bad by foot/overhead.
Desperately need Yarran off the HBF.
conca to come back in morris or hunt ...
Why does this idiot even get a mention from you, Stalin?
How many games has he played in the last two seasons?
When has he ever shown anything with any consistence to justify his name even being mentioned
Let alone as an inclusion in an already unstable environment ?
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Morris - Rance - Elton
Yarran - Grimes - Batchelor
I'd like to see something like this tried.
Morris is probably our best small defender though I hate to say it and has a crack. Grimes can play small/med/3rd tall. Want to see Elton play some this year. Batchelor also hate to say it but he's a serviceable mid def, will have a crack and isn't bad by foot/overhead.
Desperately need Yarran off the HBF.
conca to come back in morris or hunt ...
Why does this idiot even get a mention from you, Stalin?
How many games has he played in the last two seasons?
When has he ever shown anything with any consistence to justify his name even being mentioned
Let alone as an inclusion in an already unstable environment ?
cause the question is - not is conca good or bad
but
is conca better or worse than the current option/s
hunt
morris
bachelor
houli
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I think the key to a really good backline is to have guys that defend first and foremost. Then they need to be attacking when we have it. All 6 of them. Opposition sides need to have pressure on them the entire time when we have the footy. It makes them have doubts of when to attack and when to defend.
When we have players like Astbury, Batchelor, Hunt, and Ellis in our backline sides know that when they get the footy its 99% of the time going to be a slow play, a kick sideways and backwards.
Some on here think Batchelor is a good defender and I agree he does ok at that but he is next to useless on the way out. Same goes for Astbury, he is to slow to move the footy on and to slow to link up on the rebound. The other two just are not good at either.
We need to find 6 guys that can defend really well but can also put the opposition under pressure when we have it.
We have Rance that is the best KPD in the game and he is not afraid to move the footy when he has it. He makes things happen because he thinks quickly which intern makes the players up the field move and give him an option. Creating run and overlap and easier entries into our forwardline.
We have Grimes, he can play on smalls or talls which is super important but he also tries to move the ball on. He makes some mistakes but his good outweighs his bad by a long shot.
We have McIntosh who seems to be ok at defending on mid to smaller guys but needs to work on playing on bigger guys. But he also is very good at helping move the ball quickly on transition.
We need one more tall defender that can play the roll like Grimes. A guy that can play on smalls and talls. We need a guy that can change opponents in a split second and can compete with either size forward so we can cover each other when teams create overlap and a loose man.
We also need two smaller defenders that can hold the Eddie Betts types but can run and get involved. It would be a huge advantage if we could use Lids in defense as the 5 defender as he can do just about any roll.
The other guy on our list at present is Conca. If he could get his body right and settle in down back I think he could make a decent smaller defender. He has a good crack, he defends pretty well and he really needs to own a position because he doesn't have many options left. I think he showed in the pre season he could potentially be a good running defender.
And Yarran is the 6th defender.
So it looks something like this
Grimes Rance Conca
Lids McIntosh Yarran
That is 6 guys that can all defend but just as important, 6 guys that can all contribute when we have the footy.
If we could get Hurley next year, Lids moves back forward, McIntosh goes to HB and Hurley the CHF.
Not to shabby!!
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What's the deal with Schoenmakers at Hawthorn? Still has 5-7 years of afl left in him and can't get a game.
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I think the key to a really good backline is to not have too many playing back there and the ones that are must be 190cm +!!!
EFA
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What's the deal with Schoenmakers at Hawthorn? Still has 5-7 years of afl left in him and can't get a game.
so over rated, he'd spud it up completely in a crap side