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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 14, 2014, 03:28:06 AM
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Jon Anderson says Richmond needs to take a leaf from great clubs
Herald-Sun
September 14, 2014
YOU speak to persons with good memories of the early Kevin Sheedy Essendon years and they still shudder when recalling the vitriol that spilt forth from the coach’s mouth in the Southern Cross ballroom on the evening of September 24, 1983.
Some remain uncomfortable with his stinging criticism when he challenged a club, one that had achieved little in 18 previous years, to take the next step and avoid another 83-point thrashing like they had received in that year’s Grand Final from Hawthorn.
Sheedy spared no-one as he spoke, his ruthless streak inflamed from some self-satisfied smiles he noticed in the room. History shows he got his message across with some effect and after all, he had been appointed because he was a Richmond mongrel who accepted nothing but victory.
The same Richmond club that succumbed meekly last week for the second year in a row come September action. And a club that seemed to get plaudits rather than paddywhacks for a miraculous recovery to make the finals from an impossible position.
During the week I heard two supporters with public prominence loudly praising the Tigers for their year. What year? One where they were so inept early that they found themselves 3/10 before a nine-game winning streak that included wins over just three finalists, one of whom in Sydney rested key players prior to their Round 23 game.
Naturally enough their run to September involved a near-nauseating level of publicity, undeserved much of it but understandable all the same. And now it would seem that some Tigers are actually proud of their 2014 season.
Exactly the type of attitude Sheedy was referring to 30-odd years ago at Windy Hill and one that can become a cancer within a club, unless of course mediocrity is acceptable. It’s hard to imagine men such as Damien Hardwick and Mark Williams, both of whom know exactly what is required to go all the way, being remotely satisfied with what took place this year.
But getting that message across to others is the hard part, people who have forgot what real success is after just four finals series in 34 years. Sustained failure becomes infectious and can rule a club for decades.
Richmond now finds itself with Essendon in the twilight zone, one where anything other than complete rejection of another September capitulation will see those clubs hover between 10thand sixth for another season.
To what purpose? To titillate supporters, ensure healthy membership, provide positive fodder for the next year, or the one after that.
There is nothing wrong with copying from successful clubs so the Tigers could do far worse to watch how Geelong reacts to what many described as a brave loss to North Melbourne.
Do you reckon that club’s hierarchy will be comforting themselves that they got close to the Kangaroos? Forget it for they will be filthy, embarrassed at the club’s first straight set finals exit in 17 years.
What do they say, it’s how you handle adversity that is your true measure as a person? Or in this case a football club named Richmond. Back in their hay day in the 1980s, a large group of Hawthorn players would give the grog away during the season. And Robert DiPierdomenico was one of them, someone who enjoyed a party as much as anyone.
It was that extra yard of dedication that no doubt helped the club reach eight Grand Finals in nine years for five Grand Finals. I’m not suggesting any club will ever achieve that again in an era of 18 teams, regular interstate travel, national draft and salary cap, but the Tigers can build their own dynasty if it really means that much.
It has to come from the strongest in the group, and in particular one who may not necessarily always be seen as the person who is going to show the way just as Matthew Scarlett did at Geelong.
Maybe that man is Jack Riewoldt, a young man with a wide range of emotions on display but one that continues to show signs of maturing into a central figure for the yellow and black.
http://www.news.com.au/national/jon-anderson-says-richmond-needs-to-take-a-leaf-from-great-clubs-ross-lyons-whack-at-mitch-clark-out-of-line/story-e6frfkp9-1227057507036
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Get Sheedy, he is still available
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Whackety whack whack. Correct and fully deserved.
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Whackety whack whack. Correct and fully deserved.
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Whackety whack whack. Correct and fully deserved.
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Nail has been hit correctly once more :clapping
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:fishing
Stuffing hell, he saw you blokes coming!
Did not once reference what the off field leaders thought of our season or that final.
Not one bit of research, could've written that at the pub before he stacked into the back of a pizza shop. In fact he probably DID write it while waiting for the jaws of life to cut him clear!
Actually referenced Kevin Sheedy, wasn't that a hint at the true purpose of the article?
Not for a minute saying we should be happy or content but Jon Anderson is a slow witted, simple minded writer of a comic book newspaper and he took you all hook,line and sinker.
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I'm not sure he needed to reference what our off field leaders thought. He has factual history on his side and the article talks about what we need to do in order to prevent 2014 (and the past 30 years) happening again. Using Sheedy's experience as the example was pertinent as we have all bemoaned our lack of hardness and courage on and off field for many years now and none more so than in the first half of this year. Sheedy addressed the same problem at Essendon in his way and that's what the article was getting at in my view - we DO have a problem and unless we address it with strength, courage and a monumental attitudinal shift then we will continue to wallow in the mire of mediocrity we have since 1982. I'm not sure what all your angst for the article is about to be honest, unless you don't agree with what he said?
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HRT's reply perfectly illustrating the article's whole point.
Edit: Leave out the namecalling.
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HRT's reply perfectly illustrating the article's whole point.
Rather than coming up with some poorly constructed attempt at an insult, perhaps you could explain the irony?
Edit: removed original insult in the text inside the quote..
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:fishing
Stuffing hell, he saw you blokes coming!
Did not once reference what the off field leaders thought of our season or that final.
Not one bit of research, could've written that at the pub before he stacked into the back of a pizza shop. In fact he probably DID write it while waiting for the jaws of life to cut him clear!
Actually referenced Kevin Sheedy, wasn't that a hint at the true purpose of the article?
Not for a minute saying we should be happy or content but Jon Anderson is a slow witted, simple minded writer of a comic book newspaper and he took you all hook,line and sinker.
We should NEVER be satisfied.
EVER.
The "leaders" should put up or shut up.
All hail OER's new ambassador of mediocrity.
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There's nothing wrong with this article or anyone that agrees with it.
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Not knocking content of the article, just it's purpose which is to sell papers and suck in emotional fans. You hate on mediocrity on your football team but lap up mediocre journalism because it's telling you something you already know (which isn't the point of journalism)
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I agree. We should demand nothing less than a premiership every year! If we don't get it then we need to rip up our memberships, get a load of poo ready and sack the coach immediately. There is no time for this mandy-pandy developing a list and taking no short cuts - we must succeed now and if not then we need to storm the club and force changes. This is not the 1950's for God sake this is the 1980's/1990's isn't it! Trade out though unless draft picks and get players so we can be successful now.
I call on all my duffel coat wearing brothers and sisters in arms to join with the media and pressure our club into raising expectations to unrealistic levels and making rash decisions so we can continue to eat our own and implode every year! The media don't have a hidden agenda. They are on our side and only want what's best for our club. Our outrage wouldn't sell papers now would it :whistle
%#$^& gradual improvement. We should be happy with the flag and nothing less! :yawn
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I agree. We should demand nothing less than a premiership every year! If we don't get it then we need to rip up our memberships, get a load of poo ready and sack the coach immediately. There is no time for this mandy-pandy developing a list and taking no short cuts - we must succeed now and if not then we need to storm the club and force changes. This is not the 1950's for God sake this is the 1980's/1990's isn't it! Trade out though unless draft picks and get players so we can be successful now.
I call on all my duffel coat wearing brothers and sisters in arms to join with the media and pressure our club into raising expectations to unrealistic levels and making rash decisions so we can continue to eat our own and implode every year! The media don't have a hidden agenda. They are on our side and only want what's best for our club. Our outrage wouldn't sell papers now would it :whistle
%#$^& gradual improvement. We should be happy with the flag and nothing less! :yawn
oh dear. and here i wqas thinking when your club loads up with a plethora of mature players and your club manages to only take 1 junior player that that would be the time to demad actual improvement in all areas.
yet most would agree with me when i say we went backwards.yep never question what they do they knowe better.how dare we be disgruntled with what has happened get back in our places and shut the f up.
this is what the article is about. how ludicrous of any of us to accept the season as an improvement. when the reality is it was abysmal at times. the only bright spot being the emergence of a 22 yr old rookie player who showed just about every other player up at the club.
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Trash article from a shock jock struggling to be heard , should have we been more satisfied had we floundered to a bottom 4 finish. ::) boofhead of highest order :shh
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Trash article from a shock jock struggling to be heard , should have we been more satisfied had we floundered to a bottom 4 finish. ::) boofhead of highest order :shh
I am really not sure how it is a "trash article" he has only put into print what the vast majority of people have been saying and thinking.
It is 100% accurate.
As a club we shouldn't be satisfied with what we achieved in 2014. Facts are we got smashed in a final. It was a terrible and embarrassing performance, with the truth being it was totally unacceptable. IF we say to get there was good enough then we wont' improve and more importantly it will show we have learnt nothing in 2014
Not sure why people get upset when the truth is put in print or is it a case of it's fine for supporters to say it but not the media?
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I agree. We should demand nothing less than a premiership every year! If we don't get it then we need to rip up our memberships, get a load of poo ready and sack the coach immediately. There is no time for this mandy-pandy developing a list and taking no short cuts - we must succeed now and if not then we need to storm the club and force changes. This is not the 1950's for God sake this is the 1980's/1990's isn't it! Trade out though unless draft picks and get players so we can be successful now.
I call on all my duffel coat wearing brothers and sisters in arms to join with the media and pressure our club into raising expectations to unrealistic levels and making rash decisions so we can continue to eat our own and implode every year! The media don't have a hidden agenda. They are on our side and only want what's best for our club. Our outrage wouldn't sell papers now would it :whistle
%#$^& gradual improvement. We should be happy with the flag and nothing less! :yawn
oh dear. and here i wqas thinking when your club loads up with a plethora of mature players and your club manages to only take 1 junior player that that would be the time to demad actual improvement in all areas.
yet most would agree with me when i say we went backwards.yep never question what they do they knowe better.how dare we be disgruntled with what has happened get back in our places and shut the f up.
this is what the article is about. how ludicrous of any of us to accept the season as an improvement. when the reality is it was abysmal at times. the only bright spot being the emergence of a 22 yr old rookie player who showed just about every other player up at the club.
I'm with you claw....now have you got that load of chicken poo ready like I asked? :-X
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We are a great club so Anderson can EAD.
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Trash article from a shock jock struggling to be heard , should have we been more satisfied had we floundered to a bottom 4 finish. ::) boofhead of highest order :shh
I am really not sure how it is a "trash article" he has only put into print what the vast majority of people have been saying and thinking.
It is 100% accurate.
As a club we shouldn't be satisfied with what we achieved in 2014. Facts are we got smashed in a final. It was a terrible and embarrassing performance, with the truth being it was totally unacceptable. IF we say to get there was good enough then we wont' improve and more importantly it will show we have learnt nothing in 2014
Not sure why people get upset when the truth is put in print or is it a case of it's fine for supporters to say it but not the media?
Further to this I reckon the analogy that Jon Anderson used re Sheedy and the Bombers is a good one.
Point that Sheedy was making was pretty simple and that was making a GF shouldnt' be enough, that they shouldn't accept that as being good enough and that "self congratulation" could/should happen after a premiership win. He challenged the enitre club to not accept just getting there, they had to strive for more. They did and they won flags
We as a club need to continue to strive for more, back to back final appearances are small step but not enough especially in light of not winning either of those finals.
We need to challenge ourselves to go further and not accept getting there is enough. I would argue that the first 13 weeks of season 2014 showed what happens when you don't challenge one another, don't hold standards high and you dont hold each other to account. Complacency sets in... I posted a few weeks back what happens now with how we trade, how draft, how we take on a pre-season will define what if anything we've learnt in 2014. Still believe that
A massive challenge awaits
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You know these stuffing arseholes make me sick, they carry on about the media we got, THEY GAVE IT TO US! They set us up and knock us over every time! Jon Anderson, WANKER who feeds his fat, flaccid arse, on articles on our misery as if he were an expert on running a Great Club. Turn it up, he couldn't run a public toilet.
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Trash article from a shock jock struggling to be heard , should have we been more satisfied had we floundered to a bottom 4 finish. ::) boofhead of highest order :shh
I am really not sure how it is a "trash article" he has only put into print what the vast majority of people have been saying and thinking.
It is 100% accurate.
As a club we shouldn't be satisfied with what we achieved in 2014. Facts are we got smashed in a final. It was a terrible and embarrassing performance, with the truth being it was totally unacceptable. IF we say to get there was good enough then we wont' improve and more importantly it will show we have learnt nothing in 2014
Not sure why people get upset when the truth is put in print or is it a case of it's fine for supporters to say it but not the media?
Further to this I reckon the analogy that Jon Anderson used re Sheedy and the Bombers is a good one.
Point that Sheedy was making was pretty simple and that was making a GF shouldnt' be enough, that they shouldn't accept that as being good enough and that "self congratulation" could/should happen after a premiership win. He challenged the enitre club to not accept just getting there, they had to strive for more. They did and they won flags
We as a club need to continue to strive for more, back to back final appearances are small step but not enough especially in light of not winning either of those finals.
We need to challenge ourselves to go further and not accept getting there is enough. I would argue that the first 13 weeks of season 2014 showed what happens when you don't challenge one another, don't hold standards high and you dont hold each other to account. Complacency sets in... I posted a few weeks back what happens now with how we trade, how draft, how we take on a pre-season will define what if anything we've learnt in 2014. Still believe that
A massive challenge awaits
:gotigers
Im not expecting anything big in trade period. Rumours were around that we were into Tomlinson & Hunt but everything seems to have gone quiet.
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I agree that we should always demand improvement and strive to reach that ultimate flag but our expectations should be our own and not something engineered by elements of the media to make us reactionary. Too long have we prided ourselves on being ruthless if our lofty expectations have not been met only to handicap our team by constantly forcing ourselves to start again with coaches and our list.
If we are measured, unwavering and realistic in our expectations of our progress then success will come. The minute we listen to the media tell us we are failing or should be demanding more from our club is the minute we descend into the dark old days.
We have made the finals twice in a row for the first time in decades - that's something to build from.
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You know these stuffing behindholes make me sick, they carry on about the media we got, THEY GAVE IT TO US! They set us up and knock us over every time! Jon Anderson, WANKER who feeds his fat, flaccid arse, on articles on our misery as if he were an expert on running a Great Club. Turn it up, he couldn't run a public toilet.
I reckon hes organised a few appointments at them though
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You know these stuffing behindholes make me sick, they carry on about the media we got, THEY GAVE IT TO US! They set us up and knock us over every time! Jon Anderson, WANKER who feeds his fat, flaccid arse, on articles on our misery as if he were an expert on running a Great Club. Turn it up, he couldn't run a public toilet.
I reckon hes organised a few appointments at them though
:lol
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You know these stuffing behindholes make me sick, they carry on about the media we got, THEY GAVE IT TO US! They set us up and knock us over every time! Jon Anderson, WANKER who feeds his fat, flaccid arse, on articles on our misery as if he were an expert on running a Great Club. Turn it up, he couldn't run a public toilet.
Nice work Owl. I was gonna post something similar. This comment >>
Naturally enough their run to September involved a near-nauseating level of publicity, undeserved much of it
memo to the drunken pizza shop destroyer ... It's your goddam paper that puts us on page 1 , 2 and 3 every day leading into a final. Then it's the same idiot journos that belt us from pillar to post if we lose and complain about how much hype there's been about Richmond.
The gist of the article is fair enough but I very much doubt anyone at Richmond would be satisfied with that end to the season.
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Look, I didn't like the headline We are a great club Anderson!!!
Having said that, the body of the article was 100% accurate. I hope they damn well read it down there.
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Opinion piece from Uncle Ruperts rag.
Truly who cares what these dolts write about, Andrew Bolt anyone.
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You know these stuffing behindholes make me sick, they carry on about the media we got, THEY GAVE IT TO US! They set us up and knock us over every time! Jon Anderson, WANKER who feeds his fat, flaccid arse, on articles on our misery as if he were an expert on running a Great Club. Turn it up, he couldn't run a public toilet.
Nice work Owl. I was gonna post something similar. This comment >>
Naturally enough their run to September involved a near-nauseating level of publicity, undeserved much of it
memo to the drunken pizza shop destroyer ... It's your goddam paper that puts us on page 1 , 2 and 3 every day leading into a final. Then it's the same idiot journos that belt us from pillar to post if we lose and complain about how much hype there's been about Richmond.
The gist of the article is fair enough but I very much doubt anyone at Richmond would be satisfied with that end to the season.
Exactly, it was his nauseating press, him and his ilk! Then he poses himself apart from it ! LOL Geez H stuffing Geez. The contempt.
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OER should sue him for breach of copyright©™
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Stuff Jon Andreson and the blue and white hoop wearing horse he rode in on :shh
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Hawthorn did pay around double everyone else in the 80s to their players bar a couple of rich clubs who still paid 100s of Ks less than them. Giving up the booze is a nice symbol but it hides the fact you just outspent everyone.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-kangaroos-and-lions-could-have-merged-ross-oakley-20140705-zsx8k.html
Hawks 1.3 million to blues 1.1 dons 1 million and everyone else under 750k
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Let's get one thing straight. Great journos who typically get by on public credibility don't DD and smash into Pizza shops.
Once you've done that anything you write is tainted. Forget what great clubs do. Forget any opinion piece.
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Let's get one thing straight. Great journos who typically get by on public credibility don't DD and smash into Pizza shops.
Once you've done that anything you write is tainted. Forget what great clubs do. Forget any opinion piece.
Dooks if we ignored the opinions of drunkards we wouldnt read half this forum.
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Let's get one thing straight. Great journos who typically get by on public credibility don't DD and smash into Pizza shops.
Once you've done that anything you write is tainted. Forget what great clubs do. Forget any opinion piece.
Dooks if we ignored the opinions of drunkards we wouldnt read half this forum.
And if we ignored the mentally unbalanced there would be nothing at all to read
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True, but we don't put our image out in the public realm like these guys do.
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Let's get one thing straight. Great journos who typically get by on public credibility don't DD and smash into Pizza shops.
Once you've done that anything you write is tainted. Forget what great clubs do. Forget any opinion piece.
Give the man a cigar :bow