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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Phil Mrakov on September 27, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
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Currently stopping us from winning meaningless elimination finals...
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A mid to stand alongside cotch and miles better than conca, foley or Edwards would be an excellent start ::)
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We can bitch and moan a lot that should help
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A mid to stand alongside cotch and miles better than conca, foley or Edwards would be an excellent start ::)
Shiel?
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Better inside mids.
Better captain. Cotchin would play better without that burden trust me. He's no Hodge.
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Hodge.
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Doing the fundamentals of the game better and for longer than everyone else - Teamwork (gut-running in numbers to always be in support for your teammate both offensively and defensively), executing skills under pressure on the big stage, tackling pressure, ruthless aggression at the ball and ballcarrier and a killer instinct once you get on top to finish off the opposition.
We still lack most of the above so we lack the ability to go to the elite levels the best teams do. Our running game is one way (forward but not back), our tackling numbers are generally in the AFL's bottom 4 unless it's wet, we fumble and make too many basic mistakes (even in our wins), and we switch off during games and play according to our opposition which means we rarely win as easily as we should once we reach a decent lead. While the 9 wins in a row was a great effort, it didn't hide our glaring deficiencies in both technique and personnel that were exposed for all to see for the second year in a row in an Elimination Final.
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After seeing the Hawks today at the top of their game you just realise list wise how far we are off the pace. The skill level across their squad is exceptional as is the work ethic. We really need to weed out the weaknesses as to succeed at the top level you just cannot have a weak link in the chain. You also wonder how they can be consistently in the top 4 but still recruit players who have such impact, again really shows how well we need to recruit in the future. Speed of the outside runners is also another clear feature of the Hawks game, a number of times Smith or Hill just ran around players into open space, we dont have anyone like that, we need to rectify this ASAP.
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
i think our administration is ok ramps. Our recruiting needs to take more risks on X factor types in late rounds of the draft.
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
sort of what i was gunna say except i will add some good reasons why we should be a succesful club if we do as you suggest. i disagree with the admin comment if you are implying actual running of the club. if you mean footy dept then i agree totally.
in the past we havent had the money or resources to competre and it has shown in our history for the past 30 yrs.
i think we have to acknowledge the things they have done well and that is
turn the club around financially to the point where there are no excuses for not going out and getting the best of personell. they continue to grow the club in most areas off field. they have set up some of the best training facilities in the country.and we are no longer percieved as a cut and slash club at the drop of the hat we do give people ample opportunity to do a good job. we can do more but off field id say they have done well.
its the footy dept and player side of things that need to be overhauled again, or simply put we need to again improve in these critical areas. yes there has been some improvement in these areas but nowhere near enough.
recruiting list management and because of the first two development continues to be a problem. we must get a whole lot better in these areas first and foremost if we wish to create anything remorely like sustainable success and creating a winning culture.
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There's no way the hawks are 11 goals better than the rest of the competition. The battle is putting yourself in a position to get there. That's what we need to work on, a double chance.
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
Actually disagree
We aren't far off it
Add 2 players through trade
It's all about belief
And I honestly think they are starting to believe
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
Reckon top 4 in 2015 will be a lock in
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
Actually disagree
We aren't far off it
Add 2 players through trade
It's all about belief
And I honestly think they are starting to believe
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
Reckon top 4 in 2015 will be a lock in
Give the man a cigar :thumbsup :clapping
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We wont be winning any flag for a long time, the successful dna gene that existed in our club in the late 60s through to the early 80s was lost when we started importing poo trucks from Collingwood and everywhere else. We have become a losers club. We will be like Footscray and St Kilda. Will be just exist in the AFL but we will never win anything, not unless we bring in a better administration, coaches and players.
Actually disagree
We aren't far off it
Add 2 players through trade
It's all about belief
And I honestly think they are starting to believe
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
Reckon top 4 in 2015 will be a lock in
Give the man a cigar :thumbsup :clapping
How about an apple? Cigars are bad for your health Bo.
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Culture is a fully word.
Is more about players calibre hodge
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When you see the hawks at the top of their game like that it makes me sad at how far away we are.
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Remember when us and Hawthorn both needed a coach and Wallace chose us because he felt the future was brighter?
What is the number for Lifeline?
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Remember when us and Hawthorn both needed a coach and Wallace chose us because he felt the future was brighter?
What is the number for Lifeline?
13 11 14, any self respecting Richmond supporter should know that already.
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Jack you got me intrigued on this
Are you able to elaborate your thoughts on why you think we arent that far off?
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If you review what happened from round 13 onwards
Not only we win 9 straight but all the KPI,s show we were Miles ahead of all clubs
Eg Contested Balls etc etc etc
Reckon there will be huge improvement from the group collectively and individually
Think they will trade out to fix areas of need
Think our best back 6 is very good collectively and that's what counts
Round 13 onwards proves that even without Astbury
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
We ain't far off
Thus you can understand the garbage thàt was dished up for the first 13 rounds and the frustrations from supporters etc
Top 4 is a lock in
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Jack must be drunk. Our back 6 showed us what happens when you lose Rance
We are a fair way off from winning a flag
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jack do you include Houli,Morris,newman inour best back 6?
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Don't single out individuals
You need to look at collectively
Houli had an excellent last 9 weeks I might add
They defended well against Port at Etihad .Essendon .West Coast .Adelaide and both Swans games
( we just couldn't score against the Swans at the G )
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Jack must be drunk. Our back 6 showed us what happens when you lose Rance
We are a fair way off from winning a flag
Don't think that is the real Jack
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We are a half a dozen players away from challenging for a top 4 spot.
Kangaroos are in a similar position to us but have/are improving list by adding experienced, quality players.
Dal Santo a great pick up and Jarrod Waite would be a good pick up for them as they rely too heavily on Petrie dish.
I also just get a feeling that our coaching panel is still a but inexperienced - we have Choco but wouldn't it be great to have another seasoned ex senior coach who has been part of an era in the past 6 or 7 years?
Perhaps a Stewie Dew from the Swans or a current respected Cat or Hawks assistant.
As bad as this sounds, would it be too radical to do a Freo and poach a big fish coach (like Clarkson or Bomber Thompson) to replace Hardwick?
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The goal is to sustain it, that's what the hawks and Swans have done, we have made the finals twice, can we improve and sustain it.
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The goal is to sustain it, that's what the hawks and Swans have done, we have made the finals twice, can we improve and sustain it.
We can WAT. We need to improve every part of our football department though. Especially the list.
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Remember when us and Hawthorn both needed a coach and Wallace chose us because he felt the future was brighter?
What is the number for Lifeline?
Lol
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Remember when us and Hawthorn both needed a coach and Wallace chose us because he felt the future was brighter?
What is the number for Lifeline?
More to the point Dunstall chose Clarkson, and kept Dermott away from making admin decisions.
Wallace was left with the only other gig in town, and Miller fell in love with 'Sleeping Giant' narrative.
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If you review what happened from round 13 onwards
Not only we win 9 straight but all the KPI,s show we were Miles ahead of all clubs
Eg Contested Balls etc etc etc
Reckon there will be huge improvement from the group collectively and individually
Think they will trade out to fix areas of need
Think our best back 6 is very good collectively and that's what counts
Round 13 onwards proves that even without Astbury
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
We ain't far off
Thus you can understand the garbage thàt was dished up for the first 13 rounds and the frustrations from supporters etc
Top 4 is a lock in
yeah, but even if we do make the finals in 2015 we will wee ourselves yet again
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
what kind of tweaking ? Change of gameplan ?
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a kidney transplant, a lung transplant and a new pancreas would just about do it I reckon
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
what kind of tweaking ? Change of gameplan ?
Just developing of players further
Lennon, Miles etc
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Jack who do you think has more upside ,Vickery or griff?
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Griffiths
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LOL jack...any particular reasons for this opinion.I'm interested in what you have to say otherwise I wouldn't have asked
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Lennon won't make it. Mrakov's big call
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If you review what happened from round 13 onwards
Not only we win 9 straight but all the KPI,s show we were Miles ahead of all clubs
Eg Contested Balls etc etc etc
Reckon there will be huge improvement from the group collectively and individually
Think they will trade out to fix areas of need
Think our best back 6 is very good collectively and that's what counts
Round 13 onwards proves that even without Astbury
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
We ain't far off
Thus you can understand the garbage thàt was dished up for the first 13 rounds and the frustrations from supporters etc
Top 4 is a lock in
Understand your points Jack
But I just think there a couple of players that right now are in the 22 every week regardless that I believe aren't going to get any better.
IMHO it is these types we need to upgrade on for us to become a top 4 side
Unless we are prepared to do that I question whether we can become a consistent top 4 side
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If you review what happened from round 13 onwards
Not only we win 9 straight but all the KPI,s show we were Miles ahead of all clubs
Eg Contested Balls etc etc etc
Reckon there will be huge improvement from the group collectively and individually
Think they will trade out to fix areas of need
Think our best back 6 is very good collectively and that's what counts
Round 13 onwards proves that even without Astbury
Forget about what happened in Adelaide
We ain't far off
Thus you can understand the garbage thàt was dished up for the first 13 rounds and the frustrations from supporters etc
Top 4 is a lock in
Chaplin is one of the worst tall defenders going around and yet Astbury and/or Grimes will probable miss games to allow chaplin in the team
Morris cant kick much and his body falls apart constantly as hes not been allowed to have it fixed
Houli is too soft for the backline
Pettard and Newman are probable not up to it
Vlastuin should be playing on the ball and Rance is usual asked to do too much.
We really should be been using the hbf to develop some kids like Lennon rather than not play him or expect him to do something as a 10 min burst sub
Could be wrong - But i think without most Martin, Deledio, Vlastuin, Rance playing defence, the backlike looks very vulnerable. Then of course you are robbing peter to pay paul
We were last this season for a reason. it was not by coincidence i dont think
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IDGAF!
WE HAVE CHRIS NEWMAN !!!!! :gotigers
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We don't have poo or a prayer, and it ain't fair
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
what kind of tweaking ? Change of gameplan ?
Just developing of players further
Lennon, Miles etc
how much more upside do you want from miles ffs he went at nearly 25 disposals a game. 4.5 tackles 6.6 clearances 11.1 cp. thats comparable with cotchins yr which statistically was his second best so far. we want to hope miles can reproduce his season instead of expecting even more.hes now going to get plenty of work put into him by other clubs.
as for lennon we damn well had better get some improvement from him but fair dinkum what sort of impact do we really expect from what will be a second yr med fwd.
lack of depth, lack of quality and lack of proper list structure will again be a big problem.
we lack a real good inside mid big bodied bugger, we lack a super quick highly skilled hard running mid.the reality is we should be looking to double that but hey one step at a time.
welack 2 quality sml/med fwd. we lack 1 genuine kpf, we lack 1 tall fwd, we lack 2 kpds, we lack 1 decent mature ruckman,we lack 1 junior ruckman, we lack 2 sml / med defenders,
it all cant be done in one yr and then you have development time. what im saying is we need proper list structure and a hell of a lot of depth. one injury to one good player in each category and we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
i have a question for all. of the 36 players left on the list how many do people envision being there by the start of say 2018 and who.
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Buy a new culture that's how, buy the best, buy the winning culture!!!!! When we have paid for it, keep it coming in!!!! We pay for what we have, we have a mediocre culture that is reflected on field with mediocre players, other than the usual 7 or 8..
Get some balls RFC and buy talent that will turn our culture, FFS we don't even a grain of arrogance like the Swans, Hawks, Power, Dockers or Eagles, even North has more arrogance than us. We lost our smidgen of arrogance when King retired.!!!!! Pay for it!!!!!
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Mrakov for the love of mike how in blazes did you reach that conclusion on Lennon after his first season and a few cameo appearances in the ones
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Gig its a numbers game.
Was lennon a top 3 pick? No
Who found him? Francis Jackson
Unfortunately it doesnt look good for the lad, Mrakov is probably right.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0
Your wrong mate. They are going somewhere allright. right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlGclIZV5JQ
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
what kind of tweaking ? Change of gameplan ?
Just developing of players further
Lennon, Miles etc
how much more upside do you want from miles ffs he went at nearly 25 disposals a game. 4.5 tackles 6.6 clearances 11.1 cp. thats comparable with cotchins yr which statistically was his second best so far. we want to hope miles can reproduce his season instead of expecting even more.hes now going to get plenty of work put into him by other clubs.
as for lennon we damn well had better get some improvement from him but fair dinkum what sort of impact do we really expect from what will be a second yr med fwd.
lack of depth, lack of quality and lack of proper list structure will again be a big problem.
we lack a real good inside mid big bodied bugger, we lack a super quick highly skilled hard running mid.the reality is we should be looking to double that but hey one step at a time.
welack 2 quality sml/med fwd. we lack 1 genuine kpf, we lack 1 tall fwd, we lack 2 kpds, we lack 1 decent mature ruckman,we lack 1 junior ruckman, we lack 2 sml / med defenders,
it all cant be done in one yr and then you have development time. what im saying is we need proper list structure and a hell of a lot of depth. one injury to one good player in each category and we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
i have a question for all. of the 36 players left on the list how many do people envision being there by the start of say 2018 and who.
Miles will improve
Was ordinary during pre season thus he never got promoted till mid year
Even Miles said that
Plenty of upside then
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Mrakov for the love of mike how in blazes did you reach that conclusion on Lennon after his first season and a few cameo appearances in the ones
dont worry how, just remember I made the big call like I always do when it happens :shh not afraid to make the hard calls early
Unlik some :shh
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Mrakov for the love of mike how in blazes did you reach that conclusion on Lennon after his first season and a few cameo appearances in the ones
dont worry how, just remember I made the big call like I always do when it happens :shh not afraid to make the hard calls early
Unlik some :shh
Suggest a trade while he still has currency? Might still get first-round status for him...
But to me he needs more time/opportunity.
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Well I reckon you are all wrong
Bit if " tweaking" over the pre season and we will be top 4
what kind of tweaking ? Change of gameplan ?
Just developing of players further
Lennon, Miles etc
how much more upside do you want from miles ffs he went at nearly 25 disposals a game. 4.5 tackles 6.6 clearances 11.1 cp. thats comparable with cotchins yr which statistically was his second best so far. we want to hope miles can reproduce his season instead of expecting even more.hes now going to get plenty of work put into him by other clubs.
as for lennon we damn well had better get some improvement from him but fair dinkum what sort of impact do we really expect from what will be a second yr med fwd.
lack of depth, lack of quality and lack of proper list structure will again be a big problem.
we lack a real good inside mid big bodied bugger, we lack a super quick highly skilled hard running mid.the reality is we should be looking to double that but hey one step at a time.
welack 2 quality sml/med fwd. we lack 1 genuine kpf, we lack 1 tall fwd, we lack 2 kpds, we lack 1 decent mature ruckman,we lack 1 junior ruckman, we lack 2 sml / med defenders,
it all cant be done in one yr and then you have development time. what im saying is we need proper list structure and a hell of a lot of depth. one injury to one good player in each category and we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
i have a question for all. of the 36 players left on the list how many do people envision being there by the start of say 2018 and who.
Miles will improve
Was ordinary during pre season thus he never got promoted till mid year
Even Miles said that
Plenty of upside then
He's not going to come out and say "I was stuffing ripping it up. The coach mist be demented", is he
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Miles said he didn't have the right base work during pre season and needed to work on his deficiencies
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Miles said he didn't have the right base work during pre season and needed to work on his deficiencies
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That doesn't fit in with the Hardwick bashers view of the world Jack
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It is a simple fix, get the best recruiting team/list management team we can. Our current one has too low a strike rate.
Our current list needs a severe overhaul, we probably have 4, elite (ish) in Cotchin, Rance, Martin and Delidio 6 good players Miles, Astbury, Grimes (yes Grimes), Maric, Edwards, Riewoldt, Vlastuin, Ellis maybe Griffith
My definition of an elite player is one who would get a game at any club in the league, A good player would probably be in Hawthorm or Sydneys best 15 - 24
The rest you could not expect them to get a game in any other TOP club in the league
Our developers are Lennon, McBean (untouchable)
Agree or disagree I don't care, and I have probably left someone out of somewhere and offended someone
FFS get some decent recruiters in and overhaul this list. Until we do, you can forget winning a flag or even being competitive.
I am happy to support the club no matter what but what I cannot understand is how other clubs pick up gems at number 55 in the draft and we can't turn a top draft pick into an elite player and more often that not turn them into raving psychos who don't know what to do.
We also need a non compromising team attitude. The fact that Newman put his hand up is pitiful. If he was a team player and at a TOP club like Hawthorn or Sydney he would not even embarrass himself by taking up a spot in the side, an absolute disgrace and shows our club and team mentality.
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So you don't think Jack Riewoldt would be guaranteed a game at all other 17 clubs?
And don't rate Ellis as a good player?
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So you don't think Jack Riewoldt would be guaranteed a game at all other 17 clubs?
And don't rate Ellis as a good player?
Its not like he has kicked over 50 goals per season for the last four or something
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I think the club needs more depressed supporters with big egos.
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So you don't think Jack Riewoldt would be guaranteed a game at all other 17 clubs?
And don't rate Ellis as a good player?
sorry modified, yes Ellis is great and I would not want hhi traded.
Do you believe Riewoldt would be a walk up start at Sydney or Hawthorn? I don't think so but would be happy to be proven wrong
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First thing I would do would be to tell everybody to stop putting about this thing called "loosing culture" as its a term that has been invented to try and explain why some teams have not won a premiership for years. Its a non existent thing
A football club is nothing more the a group of people, all with positive and negatives. Who at the club NOW has this "loosing culture". Who has been around all this time that is causing this "loosing culture". Sure the people there make mistakes (we can all point to some) but that doesn't mean they want to loose or feel good about loosing.
Maybe you believe its in the bricks at punt road ? Or maybe its in the supporters?
Stop throwing it around, it doesn't exist.
Most of the posts here have been about the list, or the recruiters or the coach. Agree or disagree with what they do, thats fine, just dont try and blame results on this term.
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Yes, it's time we had a tighting culture.
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Miles said he didn't have the right base work during pre season and needed to work on his deficiencies
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That doesn't fit in with the Hardwick bashers view of the world Jack
Well that what came out of Anthony Miles mouth at a function I attended
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Miles said he didn't have the right base work during pre season and needed to work on his deficiencies
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That doesn't fit in with the Hardwick bashers view of the world Jack
Well that what came out of Anthony Miles mouth at a function I attended
oh dear. he started the yr like a house on fire totally dominating the vfl, when they finally woke up to themselves he came in and played to an elite level for an inside mid at afl level.
when up in nsw he actualy played some top notch footy dominating neafl and playing some real good footy at afl level when given a go.
what id like to ignoring the sweet nothings whispered in your ear. how many more disposals do you think he can get how many more c/ps or clearances or tackles as an inside mid at afl level hes been elite. just how much better do you think he can get.
me i like him hes solid in everything he does and hes a footballer.but id be betting he has a down yr because of one reason. CLUBS WILL PUT WORK INTO HIM AND HE WILL HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO COMBAT WHAT THEY DO. THAT WILL BE A LEARNING PROCESS IN ITSELF.
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Amanda Green.