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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 27, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
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Welcome to Tigerland, Reece
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Monster
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Pick 77. Reece McKenzie (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
Position: Ruckman
2014 Statistics
Games: 1
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 6
Avg Marks: 5
Avg Hballs: 7
Tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Extremely strong overhead mark and accurate kick for goal. Kicked 35 goals in 10 matches for the Northern Knights this year. Finished equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30), equal-second in the 20m sprint (2.87 sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Father Warren was a premiership player for Carlton.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696972
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This must be who our "strategic" delisting of Arnot was for....
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100kegs at 18 and 196cm is a unit. No good if he can't play but what a handy project. That's my height but I was only around 95kg at 18
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Welcome to the club Reece.
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Pick 77. Reece McKenzie (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
Position: Ruckman
2014 Statistics
Games: 1
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 6
Avg Marks: 5
Avg Hballs: 7
Tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Extremely strong overhead mark and accurate kick for goal. Kicked 35 goals in 10 matches for the Northern Knights this year. Finished equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30), equal-second in the 20m sprint (2.87 sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Father Warren was a premiership player for Carlton.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696972
Seems like he is not a ruck nor a KPF
Already got one of those
Dud delist
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Pick 77. Reece McKenzie (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
Position: Ruckman
2014 Statistics
Games: 1
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 6
Avg Marks: 5
Avg Hballs: 7
Tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Extremely strong overhead mark and accurate kick for goal. Kicked 35 goals in 10 matches for the Northern Knights this year. Finished equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30), equal-second in the 20m sprint (2.87 sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Father Warren was a premiership player for Carlton.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696972
Played footy with his dad at Scorseby FC after he retired from Carlton when I was a kid.
Hands like steel traps, I hope his son turns out as good.
Good luck to the kid
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Pick 77. Reece McKenzie (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
Position: Ruckman
2014 Statistics
Games: 1
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 6
Avg Marks: 5
Avg Hballs: 7
Tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Extremely strong overhead mark and accurate kick for goal. Kicked 35 goals in 10 matches for the Northern Knights this year. Finished equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30), equal-second in the 20m sprint (2.87 sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Father Warren was a premiership player for Carlton.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696972
Played footy with his dad at Scorseby FC after he retired from Carlton when I was a kid.
Hands like steel traps, I hope his son turns out as good.
Good luck to the kid
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Video looks good. Big boy and seems like a natural. What's the knock on him? Too heavy? No endurance?
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Looks like Jacks replacement in 5 years when this guy will be 23. :clapping
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Kicked 16 in a game of school footy last year, we'll try and turn him into a defender, he'll be gone in 3 years ::)
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There have been very few 196 kpf be successful historically
Might grow, too
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Good type of player to take with this pick :clapping
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like this pickup. 35 goals in 10 games at TAC is nothing to sneeze at. 2.87sec 20m sprint is elite for a midfielder let alone a 100kg behemoth!
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at 196 cm he is too short to ruck, from the highlights he is a stay at home full forward or CHF. Good luck to Reece hope he makes it.
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I hope this bloke puts on another few KG and becomes a proper power forward. Thank god we drafted a KPF with proper size. No more beanpoles thanks.
Want to see this kid play.
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Needs another 4 cm
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Needs another 4 cm
Mate if he grows another inch we'll have to delist him because he will be too tall to succeed.
God forbid we end up with a Kurt Tippet in our side...
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like this pickup. 35 goals in 10 games at TAC is nothing to sneeze at. 2.87sec 20m sprint is elite for a midfielder let alone a 100kg behemoth!
As fast as Pickett over 20m!
For a 100kg 196cm player, that's incredible!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Needs another 4 cm
Historically, there have been very few 200cm successful kpf
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like this pickup. 35 goals in 10 games at TAC is nothing to sneeze at. 2.87sec 20m sprint is elite for a midfielder let alone a 100kg behemoth!
As fast as Pickett over 20m!
For a 100kg 196cm player, that's incredible!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
Yep will be unstoppable on the lead! Plonk him in the square, open up the 50 and let the lad lead out
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Needs another 4 cm
Historically, there have been very few 200cm successful kpf
Gold! Sounds like claw has really influenced your thinking! :lol
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[quote author :=tony_montana link=topic=21220.msg472587#msg472587 date=1417081548]
like this pickup. 35 goals in 10 games at TAC is nothing to sneeze at. 2.87sec 20m sprint is elite for a midfielder let alone a 100kg behemoth!
As fast as Pickett over 20m!
For a 100kg 196cm player, that's incredible!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
Yep will be unstoppable on the lead! Plonk him in the square, open up the 50 and let the lad lead out
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As long as he listens to instructions and leads to the pockets he will fit in fine. :shh
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[quote author :=tony_montana link=topic=21220.msg472587#msg472587 date=1417081548]
like this pickup. 35 goals in 10 games at TAC is nothing to sneeze at. 2.87sec 20m sprint is elite for a midfielder let alone a 100kg behemoth!
As fast as Pickett over 20m!
For a 100kg 196cm player, that's incredible!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
Yep will be unstoppable on the lead! Plonk him in the square, open up the 50 and let the lad lead out
As long as he listens to instructions and leads to the pockets he will fit in fine. :shh
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:lol :thumbsup
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Funny cause its true. BT
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I hope this bloke puts on another few KG and becomes a proper power forward. Thank god we drafted a KPF with proper size. No more beanpoles thanks.
Want to see this kid play.
I reckon that will be easy. If he is to actually make it he'll be playing at 105 or 106 round abouts in a few years. Still has to make it of course but if he does then he will be our brute forward.
Wouldn't be surprised though if he stays the same or evens drops a keg in the next 12 months with all the running they do at AFL level training while they build him a base then build off of that.
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Lucky they peeed off arnot
Pick 77. Reece McKenzie (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
Position: Ruckman
2014 Statistics
Games: 1
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 6
Avg Marks: 5
Avg Hballs: 7
Tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Extremely strong overhead mark and accurate kick for goal. Kicked 35 goals in 10 matches for the Northern Knights this year. Finished equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30), equal-second in the 20m sprint (2.87 sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Father Warren was a premiership player for Carlton.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696972
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He goes alright too, Plugga mark II
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100kegs at 18 and 196cm is a unit. No good if he can't play but what a handy project. That's my height but I was only around 95kg at 18
Mental note, don't push dwainos buttons, he's a friggen unit :o
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100kegs at 18 and 196cm is a unit. No good if he can't play but what a handy project. That's my height but I was only around 95kg at 18
Mental note, don't push dwainos buttons, he's a friggen unit :o
Perhaps dwaino should have put his hand up for the draft. He's the perfect height to be a hugely successful KPF.
Serious note though, always happy to use late picks on big blokes like this. Personally I find him the most interesting of the draft prospects. Big, quick, kicks goals, and properly powerful build. Hopefully has strong hips for shrugging off defenders too.
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Historically, dwaino is almost 200cm
It is very rare of a kpf of this size to be successful
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Dwaino is a stuffing nutter he is staring at me through my window right now, and i'm on the second floor..., I think he is on stilts
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2014 Draft, pick 77: Reece McKenzie
richmondfc.com.au
November 27, 2014 8:34 PM
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-11-27/recruitment-zone-reece-mckenzie-highlights
Richmond has selected Northern Knights key forward Reece McKenzie with its fifth pick (selection 77) in the 2014 National Draft.
The 18-year-old is the son of former Carlton premiership player Wayne McKenzie, and made a name for himself as an outstanding contested mark at TAC Cup level.
In 10 appearances for the Knights, he kicked 35 goals (third in the competition).
Although weighing in at 107kg, McKenzie proved his running ability at the AFL Combine, running 2.87 seconds for the 20-metre sprint (ranked equal second).
“Reece is a power forward who is very hard to defend against, with his bulk and athleticism,” said Richmond Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson.
“He has speed on the lead, an excellent vertical leap when he jumps at the footy, and vice-like hands in the marking contest.
“He kicked some big bags of goals during the season, including a 10-goal game at TAC Cup level and a 16-goal game for Marcellin at school level.”
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/336472-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-11-27/2014-draft-pick-77-reece-mckenzie
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How did this guy not go earlier? What is the knock on him? Is it some sort of new hippy trend to not have power forwards or something?
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He's put on 7kg in the last hour!!!
Will be our best pick IMHO and people will say how did he slip to 77.... :shh
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If hes so good why did he last to pick 77? Whats the knock on him, no endurance?
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Dwaino is a stuffing nutter he is staring at me through my window right now, and i'm on the second floor..., I think he is on stilts
What is brown and taps on your window? Poo on stilts.
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He's put on 7kg in the last hour!!!
Will be our best pick IMHO and people will say how did he slip to 77.... :shh
Doubt it but I will not be complaining if he does end up being our best :thumbsup
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I read he needs to work on his conditioning.. so he is plugger mark II bit of a pig LOL
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There have been very few 196 kpf be successful historically
Might grow, too
wow we are bitter and twisted. its a shame if you took note you may actually learn somethings.
but i see its going to be the slanging game around here so bring it on nuffa.
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mate he's been throwing in the burley since this arvo
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He's put on 7kg in the last hour!!!
Will be our best pick IMHO and people will say how did he slip to 77.... :shh
gotta agree has to be worth a punt at 77. theres a few knocks on him atm and i reckon most thought he would slip but to slip so far.
imo reeces biggest challenges are to tone down be more rounded and compete and tackle etc etc, show he can do it against similar sized players and be more than a mark kick player which is what he is atm imo.
at 195cm and 100kg hes ideal height weight ratio to be a power fwd. :whistle
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
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From BF
The athleticism that McKenzie has for a bloke his size (bulk) is phenomenal. Also, I have no idea how the myth started about him being no good at ground level... it is complete rubbish, I'd actually say he is more than capable to be honest.
I've seen him play first hand about 7-8x this season because I live a stones throw away from Cramer Street Oval and the only knock I'd have on him is endurance at this point. I don't think he has an AFL tank just yet, but that will come with more training in an elite environment.
As a Melbourne supporter, I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if we picked him ahead of a McCartin or Wright at Pick #3, but it won't happen. The kid is going to be a 200-gamer
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
Even respected BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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excellent.. given that he was a bees idiot away from playing college BB, fair to say you'd expect him to be reasonably athletic!
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Like this one.
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2014 draft power rankings:
-- Best few on list quality --
1. Christian Petracca (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
2. Angus Brayshaw (VIC – Mid)
3. Isaac Heeney (Syd – Academy - NSW – Mid)
4. Darcy Moore (Coll - F/S – VIC – KPF/KPD)
5. Patrick McCartin (VIC - KPF)
6. Reece McKenzie (VIC – KPF)
7. Connor Blakely (WA – Mid)
8. Peter Wright (VIC - KPF/Ruck)
9. Jarrod Pickett (WA – Mid/Fwd)
10. Jake Lever (VIC – KPD)
11. Jayden Laverde (VIC – Util)
12. Kyle Langford (VIC – Util)
Go to guy talent – McKenzie with his size, presence and contested marking ability is a genuine go to guy in the front half. He has the performances on the board and proven production whereby from July onward in this role he absolutely dominated and looked like the dominant key forward in the TAC Cup. McKenzie can draw double and triple teams and is a handful for any key defender to contain, particularly deep in the forward 50 with his contested marking ability, ability in the air and ability on the lead.
Contested marking/marking ability – McKenzie has vice-like hands overhead and consistently takes the big contested grabs at the absolute highest point making him near on undefendable as someone who even with heavy contact will still take his marks overhead. His contested marking numbers are elite at TAC Cup level. He has a rare presence in the front half when he goes for his marks. He takes advantage of smaller opponents 1v1 with superior body work and can bully anyone physically at TAC Cup level in the contest just with the use of his body. He takes the big pack grabs and reads the flight better than opposition defenders. He crashes packs and will if anyone is in his way knock them over with force. He is an unstoppable mark in the air and is near impossible to stop when he launches at the ball due to his size, strength, power and an impressive vertical leap (72cm which was top 10 at the draft combine) which is staggering for such a big guy. He is also a significant threat on the lead as someone with rare acceleration on the lead and excellent ability to create separation (and we saw it at the draft combine with his 2.87 seconds over 20m which was equal second best) which also is ridiculous for someone his size. He also has nice variety on his leads and leads to good spots making him unpredictable on the lead.
Total athletic package – At 106kg McKenzie has excellent size and strength for his age and he has clearly put the time and effort in, in the gym. 1v1 McKenzie has rare strength in the contest and is a near immovable object with the strength through his legs and core strength. He has an excellent 72cm vertical leap making him impossible to stop in the air with his ability to consistently take it strongly at the highest point, regardless of contact. Then he also has a 2.87 second 20m sprint time which if not for an American project player would have been equal best at the draft combine and he uses that speed to breakaway on the lead as someone no key defender can stay with once he is up and moving, consistently creating separation on the lead regardless of who is defending him.
Scoreboard impact – McKenzie is one of leading goalkickers in the TAC Cup and has shown he can take over games and have a heavy impact on the scoreboard with 10, 7 and 6 goal games in the TAC Cup this season as well as a 16 goal game for Marcellin College.
Strong improvement as year has progressed suggesting significant upside – McKenzie from July onward made the shift from playing a mix of forward and ruck minutes to a full time key forward and since then he has significantly lifted his scoreboard impact and contested mark totals. His numbers over the second half of the season have been a significant improvement on what he was showing over the first half of the season and while the role change to permanent forward has definitely helped him in achieving this it is difficult to ignore the sharp improvement in his scoreboard impact and contested marking totals. Given this sharp improvement in production I evaluate McKenzie’s upside to be exceptionally high with his numbers evidence of the speed with which he is improving and I anticipate that sharp improvement to continue into the future. Additionally having spent last year playing basketball instead of football I cannot help but think the fact that he is putting up these numbers having not played TAC Cup last year suggests strong upside and substantial scope to improve further as he plays more inside an AFL system.
Weaknesses:
Ability to hit the scoreboard from general play – McKenzie is very much a mark and goal forward who will get a large volume of set shot attempts at goal but few if any shots at goal from general play. If you have a guy who can match McKenzie for size and strength at the next level it is likely that he will get shut out of games as his game is very much just going out there and marking everything. At ground level McKenzie is dexterous and can pick up the footy relatively cleanly off the deck but he is not a goal scoring threat when he wins it at ground level as he lacks the ability to turn opposition players around and run into an open goal or create adequate time and space for himself at ground level to get it onto his boot.
Does not have the same impact against better opponents – McKenzie has capitalised against weaker opponents in a big way but his impact has been less against the better teams with better key defenders such as Oakleigh Chargers as his only game where he did not kick multiple goals from July onward.
Slow change of direction/limited agility – As such a big guy while explosive on the lead he is not someone who changes direction quickly. He is not someone who will turn on a dime and changes direction, and as a result he is not someone who is a threat running back into an open goal. He also is not someone who makes, agile steps to create the time and space for himself after winning a ground ball as someone who in general play takes time to get the ball onto his boot for a shot at goal. As a result after winning a ground ball he will just be handballing it off to a team mate which is fine, but he is just not going to kick a whole lot of goals from general play throughout his career. He is also more a one lead only guy rather than someone capable of providing multiple leads given the sheer momentum he has with the speed and power behind his leads.
Set shot goalkicking – McKenzie’s kicked a very good 35 goals, 22 behinds, which is fine but his set shot conversation while it improved as the season progressed is an area that would benefit from further improvement.
What I expect will improve:
McKenzie I feel will continue in the most part make his strengths more dominant and take his dominant contested marking, marking in the air, marking on the lead and scoreboard impact to the next level where it eventually translates at AFL level.
Who he can become?
McKenzie has the scope to develop into a similar quality forward to Tom Hawkins as that similar style of dominant, deep full forward, but with greater athleticism and much stronger overhead marking ability as someone less reliant on his physical size to dominate.
When will he be ready to play?
McKenzie I anticipate will take three years before he establishes himself as a regular for a team and until season four before McKenzie really realises his potential and becomes a genuine go to guy. As a big marking forward he is not going to be able to take advantage of guys physically at AFL level right away so there will be an adjustment period getting accustomed to the bigger bodied but at his size and with his dominant marking ability, strength, ability in the air and ability on the lead his game can translate to AFL level.
How to best utilise him?
McKenzie is best used at full forward as the go to target in the front half. Play him anywhere else, and that includes even in a relief ruck role and it is a waste of his talent.
Interpretation of his numbers:
McKenzie has put forward some dominant performances forward through the TAC Cup and for his school. His numbers are clearly best when utilised as a full time key forward as evidenced by his much improved mark, contested mark and goal scoring totals over the second half of the season. His numbers are trending sharply upward as the season has progressed which suggests he will continue this trend over coming seasons. His scoreboard impact and marking over the second half of the season have been outstanding and after Patrick McCartin has been arguably the next most dominant key forward with his contested marking numbers the strongest in this draft class.
5. Reece McKenzie (VIC – KPF/Ruck)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 106kg, DOB: 28/03/1996
Recruited from: Northern Knights
Draft range: 20-50
Best position/role: Full forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmare-2014-phantom-draft.1081319/
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Plugger reborn. Might actually be a good thing with some of the new rules in the marking contest.
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On SEN today they had a draft ' expert' on and they asked him who St.Kilda would take with pick 1. He said they were really keen on McKenzie so they may take Petracca with pick 1 and Mckenzie with their pick in the early 20s. Said if they pick McCartin they most likely won't pick Mckenzie with their next pick.
He gave McKenzie a huge wrap too....for whatever that's worth. We might've got a bargain ?
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Bout time
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Seems to be a lot of hype. Really gotta wonder why he went so late.
Next Hawkins? Please God.
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13.2 in the beep test. Pretty good for a bloke who was apparently 196/106.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/leader/sport/northern-knights-power-forward-reece-mckenzie-dreaming-of-afl-career-after-chasing-college-basketball-dream/story-fnglemo4-1227124732882
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Possibly a bit one dimensional but looks like an excellent lead+mark+goal power forward.
Some nice grabs double-teamed also.
Check out la vid.
http://m.afl.com.au/video/2014-09-15/draft-prospect-reece-mckenzie
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When Reece McKenzie does push ups he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the world down.
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Good to see we added to our McQuota.
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Reece McKenzie celebrates on of his 10 goals against Eastern Ranges 9/7/2014.
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Northern Knights power forward Reece McKenzie dreaming of AFL career after chasing college basketball dream
Herald-Sun
November 16, 2014
IT WAS December 22, 2013, and Reece McKenzie was nervously pacing around his family home in Warrandyte.
It was not because Christmas was just around the corner but instead because the then 17-year-old’s future was potentially about to take a major turn.
Having turned his back on football 12 months earlier to pursue a dream of playing US college basketball, McKenzie and his father Warren had arranged a meeting with Northern Knights talent manager Peter Kennedy and coach Andrew Shakepeare.
It was there that McKenzie would signal his desire to rejoin the TAC Cup club for his final year of underage football in a bid to make it big in the AFL.
“I was really nervous going into it, but Peter pretty much welcomed me back with open arms,” McKenzie said.
“Last year I just saw an opportunity to pursue a basketball career. It’s always been a dream of mine to play college basketball in America and with my build it’s not the hardest thing to do in the world, so it was quite a realistic goal.
“But I guess the politics of basketball really wear you down after a while. It gets you, and I guess I sort of saw football as the saviour.”
McKenzie had juggled both sports before last year and was considered a top talent in both.
He made his first state basketball team at under-12 level and went on to play in Vic Metro’s under-16 team alongside this year’s likely No. 1 draft pick, Christian Petracca.
At the same time he was a member of the Knights’ under-16 Max Richardson squad and made the initial Vic Metro under-16 side in 2012. But when things began to get more serious last year, McKenzie solely pursued basketball before opting to go back to football.
“It’s been a good outcome so far,” Kennedy said of the switch.
A power forward likened to Tom Hawkins, McKenzie has been described by his coach Shakepeare this year as a “man mountain”.
Standing 196cm tall and weighing 106kg, it is easy to see why.
But despite his size — and the fact he did not start pre-season training until January — this man mountain is remarkably mobile, which is part of the reason he has been drawing the attention of AFL clubs in the lead up to the national draft.
At the AFL Draft Combine last month, McKenzie was one of the genuine standouts in testing. Of 101 players tested, he finished equal first in the clean hands test with a score of 26 out of 30 while ranking equal second in the 20m sprint (2.87sec) and equal-fifth in the standing vertical jump (72cm).
The clean hands test result was one that did not surprise Kennedy, who has described McKenzie as the best contested mark he has seen in the TAC Cup in a decade. But a 13.2 result in the critical beep test was a surprise, even for McKenzie himself.
McKenzie flies for a mark against Eastern Ranges during the 2014 TAC Cup season. Picture:
McKenzie flies for a mark against Eastern Ranges during the 2014 TAC Cup season. Picture: Richard Serong. Source: News Corp Australia
“A lot of clubs have question marks over a certain aspect of your game,” McKenzie said.
“For me it’s my endurance.
“So going into the beep and the 3km I was extremely nervous but I thought, ‘You’re never going to get another chance to do the draft combine so just give it your all’.”
McKenzie had taken a similar mindset into the Northern Knights’ clash with Calder Cannons in Round 2 this year.
That day he had spotted Vic Metro’s high performance manager, Anton Grbac, in the Knights’ rooms before the game and knew it was his time to shine.
McKenzie went out and gave his all, kicking 3.2, grabbing four contested marks and showing his ability to assist in the ruck department with nine hit-outs.
It was a game that got Grbac’s attention and saw McKenzie included in Vic Metro’s under-18 side for the national championships.
As a goal-setter, making the Vic Metro squad had been at the top of McKenzie’s list.
A niggling foot injury restricted him to only one game in the championships, but just being involved was enough to put him firmly on the radar of AFL recruiters.
McKenzie sent another message to recruiters when he booted 10.2 against Eastern Ranges in Round 13 among 18 disposals, 13 marks including six contested and three goal assists.
It was a performance that saw him accumulate 256 Supercoach points — a total that has not even been achieved by the AFL’s Supercoach star, Gary Ablett.
Kennedy went along to watch McKenzie’s final game of the school football season for Marcellin College. At three-quarter time, he left. McKenzie had eight goals to his name and Marcellin led by plenty.
Kennedy missed out.
McKenzie went on to double his goal tally in the final term to finish with a school record 16.4 for the game.
Now with the football season over and Year 12 studies done and dusted, a new journey looks set to begin for McKenzie.
Like his father Warren, who played in Carlton’s 1987 premiership team, McKenzie might just receive an early Christmas present on November 27 — being selected by an AFL club.
“Before I know it, it will be the 27th of November and I think I’ll be very excited to see if I get picked up or where I go,” McKenzie said.
“It’s exciting times.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-knights-power-forward-reece-mckenzie-dreaming-of-afl-career-after-chasing-college-basketball-dream/story-e6frfkp9-1227124732882
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Forget McBean, this is McBeast! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Still pinching myself this kid got through, an Fj classic, has hands like a steel trap and is built like King kong, my only advice , brace yourselves, this kid goes alright :clapping
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
Even :bow :bow BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Heard from another poster when his coach told McKenzie to move into the ruck the runner was told to "**** off Im staying here"
I think I am In love
Plugger.
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
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Apparently loves the sauce
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Spot on. Jack needed help and we've been able to get some help here. Now we actually need to develop him as a big KPF not a full back. ;D
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Spot on. Jack needed help and we've been able to get some help here. Now we actually need to develop him as a big KPF not a full back. ;D
:clapping
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
Even :bow :bow BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Heard from another poster when his coach told McKenzie to move into the ruck the runner was told to "**** off Im staying here"
I think I am In love
Plugger.
:bow :bow :bow :bow
ahh so he has a poo attitude, might be why he slid down the order. Might turn out to be Fevola Mk II if he is like that. Hope not.
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
Even :bow :bow BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Heard from another poster when his coach told McKenzie to move into the ruck the runner was told to "**** off Im staying here"
I think I am In love
Plugger.
:bow :bow :bow :bow
ahh so he has a poo attitude, might be why he slid down the order. Might turn out to be Fevola Mk II if he is like that. Hope not.
I don't know, ta wit ta woo, I'd be quite pleased if we got a 99-goal season out of a 5th rounder, even if it was just the one.
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I reckon he will kick bagfulls, he has all the tools.
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shhno
Even :bow :bow BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Heard from another poster when his coach told McKenzie to move into the ruck the runner was told to "**** off Im staying here"
I think I am In love
Plugger.
:bow :bow :bow :bow
If that is true I wonder how he will take Jack pointing. Would be good if he comes on and is that hard leading full forward. Be interesting as to what we do with Jack
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Can only be good for Jack, will take a lot of the heat off of him and and he will be able to run amok. They won't be able to stop them all.
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play him on the wing so can do some pointing outside the 50
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/peter-wright-vs-reece-mckenzie.1081600/. :shh
Even :bow :bow BF phantom draft poster Knightmare mentioned he thought McKenzie had the attributes to make him the best of this draft in the future! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Heard from another poster when his coach told McKenzie to move into the ruck the runner was told to "**** off Im staying here"
I think I am In love
Plugger.
:bow :bow :bow :bow
Takes more than that to be a plugger,my friend.
I see that^ as a poo quality and a disciplinary issue.
Hopes he's not total dkichead
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Its the coaches job to deal with idiots and pull their heads in. Crack the whip early on em or you end up in Fevola land.
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FWIW, Jon Patton when picked up in the draft by GWS was 197cm 101kg :shh
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Look at the other attributes those players have like Franklins agility and clokes tank etc. IF and I mean IF he has no tank and little agility and is purely a lead and mark player he may struggle but in 1987 he would've been a gun :thumbsup. See how well his tank develops and hopefully we can get him in the team nice and early and see how he goes, I reckon he's got the tools to be a beauty
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Look at the other attributes those players have like Franklins agility and clokes tank etc. IF and I mean IF he has no tank and little agility and is purely a lead and mark player he may struggle but in 1987 he would've been a gun :thumbsup. See how well his tank develops and hopefully we can get him in the team nice and early and see how he goes, I reckon he's got the tools to be a beauty
He had a beep test of 13.2 which is pretty good for someone his size. He is a top basketballer and so has great lateral movement which is required in the game.
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He s only one season back from a stint at basket ball, 35 goals in 10 games. Most good judges reckon in 12 months he would have been top 10 easy. Fj has vision , this kid has the tools to be a boss up forward , brace yourselves :shh
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Look at the other attributes those players have like Franklins agility and clokes tank etc. IF and I mean IF he has no tank and little agility and is purely a lead and mark player he may struggle but in 1987 he would've been a gun :thumbsup. See how well his tank develops and hopefully we can get him in the team nice and early and see how he goes, I reckon he's got the tools to be a beauty
He had a beep test of 13.2 which is pretty good for someone his size. He is a top basketballer and so has great lateral movement which is required in the game.
That's why I emphasised the 'if' because I've heard varying things. I heard about his beep test but not from a valid source (could look it up probably) but also heard he has poor endurance from other invalid sources. Was more just backing up the comment that he'd be a gun in 1987.
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He's a bit of a Levi Casboult. Can't kick or do anything other than take a pack mark
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Regardless if how he peforms, tipping at the very least, he'll seriously challenge back to back reigning champion Liam McBean for the title of "most discussed & debated reserves player" next year- and it'll be mainly by people who only see the reserves when our matches are televised and/or streamed, if they do at all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fXGuADabiX8
Skip to 15.50
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Doesn't come across poorly
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Regardless if how he peforms, tipping at the very least, he'll seriously challenge back to back reigning champion Liam McBean for the title of "most discussed & debated reserves player" next year- and it'll be mainly by people who only see the reserves when our matches are televised and/or streamed, if they do at all.
At least the vfl side should have a decent, young, kpf
Sounds like they'd compliment each other too
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Play him back pocket to brush up his defensive game.
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Play him back pocket to brush up his defensive game.
God here we go......just like with Martin.... :whistle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fXGuADabiX8
Skip to 15.50
Lol at the segment before McKenzie's - Connor Menadue won a year's supply of Slurpees. Should make him an ideal weight by 2016!! ;D
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He's a bit of a Levi Casboult. Can't kick or do anything other than take a pack mark
So hes an upgrade on TV
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Play him back pocket to brush up his defensive game.
God here we go......just like with Martin.... :whistle
;D
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Regardless if how he peforms, tipping at the very least, he'll seriously challenge back to back reigning champion Liam McBean for the title of "most discussed & debated reserves player" next year- and it'll be mainly by people who only see the reserves when our matches are televised and/or streamed, if they do at all.
sounds like the discussions about our draft picks.........
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Reckon he'd be a gun in 1987.
why 87 why not now.
have you looked at the height and size of the better performed kpfs in the comp
franklin cloke walker, podsiadlly, brown,pavlich, lynch, patton petrie and on it goes.
just about every club has a tall fwd of mckenzies height and sizearound the 195cm/100kg mark. at last we at least have one on our list.
i find it amazing that you think these types are a thing of the past when the reality is blokes around mckenzies height and size have been and continue to be the better fwds in the game.
me i m pleased we finally have one like him now we need to see if he can play at the level.
Look at the other attributes those players have like Franklins agility and clokes tank etc. IF and I mean IF he has no tank and little agility and is purely a lead and mark player he may struggle but in 1987 he would've been a gun :thumbsup. See how well his tank develops and hopefully we can get him in the team nice and early and see how he goes, I reckon he's got the tools to be a beauty
He had a beep test of 13.2 which is pretty good for someone his size. He is a top basketballer and so has great lateral movement which is required in the game.
That's why I emphasised the 'if' because I've heard varying things. I heard about his beep test but not from a valid source (could look it up probably) but also heard he has poor endurance from other invalid sources. Was more just backing up the comment that he'd be a gun in 1987.
i think one of the knocks on him has nothing to do with not having physical attributes.
he has only kicked bags of goals against weaker teams and against players where his size has given him a big advantage. i believe the concern here is when he gets to afl his size wont be such an advantage and he will have to really develop other areas of his game.
me i cant see why his game wont develop. like most kids they have to build a tank and most succeed. he is agile and he is quick enough hes already big he wont lose any of this.
at pick 77 im asking what is there to lose.
we should have been looking at these types with late nd picks and rookie picks or our fair share anyway for ages now, and we havent.
id be over the moon if we rookied tyler kietel im shocked he was not drafted, mckenzie and kietel would round out our tall fwd stocks and give us at least one of all tall fwd types on the list.
i was filthy wce took lamb at 32 i was hoping we would be looking at him.im also filthy they took jackson nelson at 51 both the pick before ours.
to me our tall fwd stocks now go
mckenzie kpf 195/100 power fwd , riewoldt kpf 195/94 can play third tall or chf if we wish. unlike most i like his smarts up the ground.
we need one more and the type we dont have is the third tall type thats why i was hoping tom lamb 193 80 somthing would get to us kietel fits the bill as well 194/ 86??.
ruck/fwd vickery 200/98, griffiths 200/102, mcbean 202/93, i am hoping that one of these three will become a decent tall fwd. i lean toward griffiths atm because of his marking ability.
the other two id be going all out to find a maric replacement in the ruck.i would still like to see mcbean given games in defense.
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For me I'm hoping for McKenzie at FF. Jack either forward pocket or half forward stuff. Griffiths CHF/ruck relief.
Martin opposite pocket. Deledio opposite stuff. Then just need a proper crumbing small.
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Reece McKenzie's twitter account - @reecemck21
"So proud and honored to apart of the Richmond football club, could not ask to be apart of a better club @Richmond_FC"
"Was great to get a tour today of Punt Rd with my fellow new team mates, hasn't quite sunk in yet but I'm honored to be apart of this club!"
https://twitter.com/reecemck21
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"honored to be apart"?
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Fat fingers misses space bar
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Someone get this kid a typing wand
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Borrow one from Bents?
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Borrow one from Bents?
I think we could chip in and get him one that isn't already broken. ;D
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:lol
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Gee he takes a very good contested mark and I really like his kicking style, he looks great at set shots, very composed.
What were his goal kicking stats this year?? or stats in a full season, goals versus points.
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Think it was 35-22 in 10 games WAT
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Limited characters on twitter you condense and manipulate words to get your message across ;D
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Think it was 35-22 in 10 games WAT
Thanks mate, Ok, so maybe accuracy needs improving..
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Limited characters on twitter you condense and manipulate words to get your message across ;D
:huh :huh :huh
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Limited characters on twitter you condense and manipulate words to get your message across ;D
:huh :huh :huh
When you use twitter you have a limited number of characters per tweet. People abbreviate or manipulate words to get the message across.
Kid tweeted
"honored to be apart"?
When it should be "honoured to be a part..."
Just suggesting he's manipulated/abbreviated words to get his message across
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Limited characters on twitter you condense and manipulate words to get your message across ;D
:huh :huh :huh
When you use twitter you have a limited number of characters per tweet. People abbreviate or manipulate words to get the message across.
Kid tweeted
"honored to be apart"?
When it should be "honoured to be a part..."
Just suggesting he's manipulated/abbreviated words to get his message across
Ah ok, cheers.
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Can we generate a stat & a selection criteria from this? Twittering Accuracy of just 60% ... no wonder he blew out to pick 77! ;D
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Hopefully his issues are under control. If so, should be an asset down the track :)
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
Really??? What sort of problems??? Is it long term??? Will he have to start pre-season in the FFM (Floating Foley Machine)??? I once saw him tweet the word YOLO...Is that a drug or something?
Does he know the Burly man??? Does he know someone who knows the Burly man??? Is he overly familiar with the terms OP, meniscus or Plantar fascia???
............Just helping things along Tony! :lol
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
When you've suffered from very severe depression, yes you do have issues. I've seen this first hand and it's not pretty. Next time have more respect when commenting. We've seen what it can do! Mitch Clarke was crippled by it.
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
When you've suffered from very severe depression, yes you do have issues. I've seen this first hand and it's not pretty. Next time have more respect when commenting. We've seen what it can do! Mitch Clarke was crippled by it.
How are things Davo?
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
When you've suffered from very severe depression, yes you do have issues. I've seen this first hand and it's not pretty. Next time have more respect when commenting. We've seen what it can do! Mitch Clarke was crippled by it.
How are things Davo?
Crawling up the wrong tree, snake. Stay away from me.
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
When you've suffered from very severe depression, yes you do have issues. I've seen this first hand and it's not pretty. Next time have more respect when commenting. We've seen what it can do! Mitch Clarke was crippled by it.
How are things Davo?
Crawling up the wrong tree, snake. Stay away from me.
Still a funny fellow. :lol
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Where is the proof he had depression??
He miss some school as he tried out in college basketball in the States.
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Where is the proof he had depression??
He miss some school as he tried out in college basketball in the States.
Agree Gracie, unless someone plays for melbourne you just cant start up rumours like this
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
Next time have more respect when commenting.
Perhaps the respectful thing to do would be to refrain from spreading that stuff on public forums.
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Where is the proof he had depression??
He miss some school as he tried out in college basketball in the States.
Mate, where have you been and how the hell are you?? :thumbsup
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
Next time have more respect when commenting.
Perhaps the respectful thing to do would be to refrain from spreading that stuff on public forums.
agree...besides I heard severe ADHD is his main issue, not depression*.....
*may or may not have just made that up...
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From the training photo today I reckon they weighed him in grams.
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
Next time have more respect when commenting.
Perhaps the respectful thing to do would be to refrain from spreading that stuff on public forums.
Unless they play for Melbourne
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nah just drank too much coffee, had a mate with a severe depression though, got hit in the head with a golf ball, left a huge stuffing divet in his bonce, and another dude with skin cancer on his head had it carved out, that left a huuuuge depression in his head too. He was pretty happy bout it though
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and that my friends is how rumours start - all of a sudden now he has issues
lol
Next time have more respect when commenting.
Perhaps the respectful thing to do would be to refrain from spreading that stuff on public forums.
x2
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Not the first afl footballer to have year 2 reading/spelling skills.
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Not the first afl footballer to have year 2 reading/spelling skills.
Would like a few posters on here tested just quietly and may as well throw in a drug and alcohol test as well
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Gee, according to this thread we have drafted a player with poo skills(49%), depression or adhd and a player with an eating disorder(69 kegs).
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Still a funny fellow. :lol
Are you the type of guy to apologise to his wife after she cheats on you?
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Where is the proof he had depression??
He miss some school as he tried out in college basketball in the States.
Mate, where have you been and how the hell are you?? :thumbsup
Stick to the topic
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Gee, according to this thread we have drafted a player with poo skills(49%), depression or adhd and a player with an eating disorder(69 kegs).
While were revealing the struth, the whole struth and nothing but struth mate! I heard one has a tail and another 3 nipples.
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Still a funny fellow. :lol
Are you the type of guy to apologise to his wife after she cheats on you?
Shrewd response.
Good.
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Hawkins seems the most likely modern day comparison.
Reckon Plugger might get found out by an athletic defender.
Be interesting to see how he goes..
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How did this guy not go earlier? What is the knock on him? Is it some sort of new hippy trend to not have power forwards or something?
Didn't go earlier as other clubs weren't overly impressed in the way he interviewed apparently
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Hawkins seems the most likely modern day comparison.
Reckon Plugger might get found out by an athletic defender.
Be interesting to see how he goes..
One less athletic defender that otherwise would of been on riewoldt or mcbean or Vickeryor gGriffith's
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How did this guy not go earlier? What is the knock on him? Is it some sort of new hippy trend to not have power forwards or something?
Didn't go earlier as other clubs weren't overly impressed in the way he interviewed apparently
I know clubs have to look at that stuff but at the end of the day some kids are not quite ready to be robots. I'm over the moon if that's the reason, means clubs overlooked him but not on ability. Recon he has a lot to offer.
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A rumour posted by a North fan on BF on Christmas Day. So make of it what you will.
Reece McKenzie Run In With Ty Vickery.
Seems new boy on the block has already had a run in with senior player by snotting him one at the end of a boxing session. Reputation at School/TAC level seems to have carried over into AFL.
Ty visibly upset with the young gun and letting him know that he (Reece) is at the bottom of the pecking order and needed to show a little respect.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/reece-mckenzie-run-in-with-ty-vickery.1084826/
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Conversely, from 'Richmond Tiger Talk' on twitter:
"A couple of people I know who have had extended contact with big Mackenzie have been impressed with his maturity and dedication to training."
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/with_replies
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If the BF rumour is true (which I doubt) - Ty needs to worry about his own backyard by earning respect instead of having assumed as a respected player from his time on our list
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Rule 101 , don't believe everything you read on bf :lol
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If the BF rumour is true (which I doubt) - Ty needs to worry about his own backyard by earning respect instead of having assumed as a respected player from his time on our list
Ty is well respected at the club HRT, and well liked. He is a different cat by all reports but that's ok too.
I hope this rumor is true, nothing wrong with a bit of 'friendly' aggression. I'd hope big Reece earned a bit of respect of his own. Good on the lad.
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Depends if it was a sneaky one after the bell, if so then lookout next time a sparing session is ON. TV knows his way around a ring just quietly and is a dab hand at martial arts , put it this way ,,I wouldn't wanna run into him in a dark alley :shh
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Rule 101 , don't believe everything anything you read on bf :lol
Edited for accuracy
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If the BF rumour is true (which I doubt) - Ty needs to worry about his own backyard by earning respect instead of having assumed as a respected player from his time on our list
Ty is well respected at the club HRT, and well liked. He is a different cat by all reports but that's ok too.
I hope this rumor is true, nothing wrong with a bit of 'friendly' aggression. I'd hope big Reece earned a bit of respect of his own. Good on the lad.
That's all fine BT but what exactly has he done on the field to warrant any genuine respect from his teammates?
Don't doubt he's a great bloke, clubman etc but perhaps that's been part of our issue in the past when striving to be elite in the competition?
Question, do you think Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell or Roughhead would respect Ty if he were at the Hawks? Would he still be there? I also hope the rumour is true as we need kids to challenge the so called leaders at our club
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If the BF rumour is true (which I doubt) - Ty needs to worry about his own backyard by earning respect instead of having assumed as a respected player from his time on our list
Ty is well respected at the club HRT, and well liked. He is a different cat by all reports but that's ok too.
I hope this rumor is true, nothing wrong with a bit of 'friendly' aggression. I'd hope big Reece earned a bit of respect of his own. Good on the lad.
That's all fine BT but what exactly has he done on the field to warrant any genuine respect from his teammates?
Don't doubt he's a great bloke, clubman etc but perhaps that's been part of our issue in the past when striving to be elite in the competition?
Question, do you think Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell or Roughhead would respect Ty if he were at the Hawks? Would he still be there? I also hope the rumour is true as we need kids to challenge the so called leaders at our club
Mate he has played nearly 100 games of AFL footy and kicked 100 goals. That's more than 99.9% of everybody you/we know. It doesn't really matter what you think of him, the coaches of our footy club obviously rate him and respect him otherwise he would be on our list. You don't know how hard he trains or what extra work he may do, all things that get respect off coaches and teammates.
And to answer your question on the Hawthorn boys, I don't really care what they think.
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Hope it's true.
Want a big KPF who will be intimidating on the field. No more lean pussies.
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at 196 cm he is too short to ruck, from the highlights he is a stay at home full forward or CHF. Good luck to Reece hope he makes it.
and that is exactly what we want. a bloke who may become a very good stay at home kpf.a bloke capable of exclusively playing kpf. ive argued we have not had that with vickery or griffiths as neither have shown after 6 and 5 yrs respectively that they can play kp exclusively.they may yet prove me wrong but id sure like to spread the eggs to other baskets.
genuine power fwd size, freakin quick so will be hard to stop on the lead, takes a contested grab consistently, has very good agility for a bloke his size and he kicks goals.
not sure what other recruiters didnt like if it was nothing more than poor interview then they all have rocks in their heads.
my understanding of why he may have slipped a little bit was, he had not done too much against the better sides and better players.
i think for a pick in the 70s he is a great pick. we need to give more talls chances with these late and rookie picks.
i still advocate at least one more tall fwd on our list,
even if i include mcbean vickery griffiths with riewoldt and mckenzie there really is room for one more tall fwd, the type that is missing is the gunston crameri mayne lynch type imo.
vickery and griffiths to justify all the faith really do need to take their games to another level.there are no more excuses.
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I also think both Griff and Ty need to crank it up a few notches this year
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If the BF rumour is true (which I doubt) - Ty needs to worry about his own backyard by earning respect instead of having assumed as a respected player from his time on our list
Ty is well respected at the club HRT, and well liked. He is a different cat by all reports but that's ok too.
I hope this rumor is true, nothing wrong with a bit of 'friendly' aggression. I'd hope big Reece earned a bit of respect of his own. Good on the lad.
That's all fine BT but what exactly has he done on the field to warrant any genuine respect from his teammates?
Don't doubt he's a great bloke, clubman etc but perhaps that's been part of our issue in the past when striving to be elite in the competition?
Question, do you think Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell or Roughhead would respect Ty if he were at the Hawks? Would he still be there? I also hope the rumour is true as we need kids to challenge the so called leaders at our club
Mate he has played nearly 100 games of AFL footy and kicked 100 goals. That's more than 99.9% of everybody you/we know. It doesn't really matter what you think of him, the coaches of our footy club obviously rate him and respect him otherwise he would be on our list. You don't know how hard he trains or what extra work he may do, all things that get respect off coaches and teammates.
And to answer your question on the Hawthorn boys, I don't really care what they think.
I don't disagree with anything there although comparing yourself to (or in) the benchmark team in the competition gives context as to where you sit and how far you need to come in order to be a success in the competition.
I hope Ty gets to 200 games and his on field output starts to resemble the consistency required to be remembered as a very good AFL player.
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If true(and I hope it is), good on the kid - need more of the kids stepping up and challenging the senior blokes every step of the way
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at 196 cm he is too short to ruck, from the highlights he is a stay at home full forward or CHF. Good luck to Reece hope he makes it.
and that is exactly what we want. a bloke who may become a very good stay at home kpf.a bloke capable of exclusively playing kpf. ive argued we have not had that with vickery or griffiths as neither have shown after 6 and 5 yrs respectively that they can play kp exclusively.they may yet prove me wrong but id sure like to spread the eggs to other baskets.
genuine power fwd size, freakin quick so will be hard to stop on the lead, takes a contested grab consistently, has very good agility for a bloke his size and he kicks goals.
not sure what other recruiters didnt like if it was nothing more than poor interview then they all have rocks in their heads.
my understanding of why he may have slipped a little bit was, he had not done too much against the better sides and better players.
i think for a pick in the 70s he is a great pick. we need to give more talls chances with these late and rookie picks.
i still advocate at least one more tall fwd on our list,
even if i include mcbean vickery griffiths with riewoldt and mckenzie there really is room for one more tall fwd, the type that is missing is the gunston crameri mayne lynch type imo.
vickery and griffiths to justify all the faith really do need to take their games to another level.there are no more excuses.
Agree with all of this.
Pick 77 should always go to high risk - high reward type players. No point playing safe there.
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Reece tweeted that it was great to be back at preseason training today. So he's keen and enjoying himself.
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Rumours circulating that McKenzie and Cox are good mates and Cox may of contacted him earlier that day
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Reece tweeted that it was great to be back at preseason training today. So he's keen and enjoying himself.
https://twitter.com/reecemck21/status/552244178705342464
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Reece tweeted that it was great to be back at preseason training today. So he's keen and enjoying himself.
https://twitter.com/reecemck21/status/552244178705342464
Good on him. As a young KPP we can't expect too much in his first year. It'll take a few years to find out if he ends up one of the bargains of the draft or why he fell all the way to pick 77.
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Hopefully he defies the odds of a player overlooked 76 times in the draft and does turn out to be the steal of the century, though all the talk & excitement I've heard & read around the traps about him from some of our supporters reminds me of the carry on from Fremantle supporters when they rookied Casey Sibosado.
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Hopefully he defies the odds of a player overlooked 76 times in the draft and does turn out to be the steal of the century, though all the talk & excitement I've heard & read around the traps about him from some of our supporters reminds me of the carry on from Fremantle supporters when they rookied Casey Sibosado.
James Hird was pick 79
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Hopefully he defies the odds of a player overlooked 76 times in the draft and does turn out to be the steal of the century, though all the talk & excitement I've heard & read around the traps about him from some of our supporters reminds me of the carry on from Fremantle supporters when they rookied Casey Sibosado.
James Hird was pick 79
Knew someone would post that, however that one example of a midfielder from over 20 years ago doesn't really reduce the statistical odds that McKenzie will need to defy to be the KPF superstar some think he'll become all that much though. Westhoff & Walker would be two more relevant examples - though again not really as the former -whilst a good player who looks better in a good side and who unlike McKenzie had an obvious physical reason as to why he slid (light frame) - is hardly a superstar and the latter was a NSW scholarship pick that would've gone much earlier had he been available to every club.
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You wouldn't bother having a pick beyond 30 on the basis of statistical probability.
But there continue to be examples of late draft picks and rookies who make it in the AFL.
So it can happen
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Get to know the lad
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-01-22/mckenzies-major-milestone
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Doesn't come across as a kid with attitude problems as I have read in some places, seems pretty level headed and mature. Could be different away from the camera but signs are there
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This guy will be a monster in two to three years. Will be our best recruit by then. Bookmark it. :thumbsup
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Already a beast. Just needs to lose some weight/puppy fat, put on some more muscle, and he'll be an animal.
2-3 years and he'll be right.
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He's got one year
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He's got one year
Damn right. Should have given Vickery one year too
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No idea what he's really like from that interview.
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What you reckon Peta Credlin is writing his speeches Magic LOL
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Get to know the lad
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-01-22/mckenzies-major-milestone
* Juggling basketball and footy was pretty hectic as a kid. With basketball, you can get into the trap of playing for a lot of teams and doing four to five training sessions a week and playing up to two games. Being such an avid sportsman, you just want to play basketball and football and try to juggle them. As a kid, it’s a bit easier because it’s not as hard on your body but as you get older it gets harder and harder. Eventually, it got to the stage where football was the sport I wanted to pursue.
* It’s [getting drafted] probably my best life achievement to date. It was something that I’d worked hard for. Based on the interviews, I thought my chances were reasonable. I was at my friend’s house. He’s a keen Richmond supporter and so are a lot of my friends. Once I had my name read out everyone went crazy and I was very emotional. It was a great feeling. Coming to a club like Richmond has been an honour. I’ve been pretty awestruck by it. I’ve loved every day here.
* I think running is the key one for me. Being a big guy, in today’s football, getting up the ground is a key part of the game/ That’s been my number one goal to improve. I try to do as many extras as I can to improve it. I’m just chipping away at it, every day, to get it better. I’ve worked with Jack Riewoldt quite a bit. He’s very knowledgeable – he knows the game. He’s a smart player, a great coach and a great teacher. The older boys have been very welcoming. It’s hard at times with the age gap, but they really do make an effort to talk to you. Hats off to them. They don’t have to it but they make an effort and I really respect that.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-01-23/mckenzie-chooses-wisely
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The older boys have been very welcoming. It’s hard at times with the age gap, but they really do make an effort to talk to you. Hats off to them. They don’t have to it but they make an effort and I really respect that.
Age gap? Please.
Try being a teacher of advanced years trying to relate to the first year out teachers. The age gap is close to 40 years.
:lol
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The older boys have been very welcoming. It’s hard at times with the age gap, but they really do make an effort to talk to you. Hats off to them. They don’t have to it but they make an effort and I really respect that.
Age gap? Please.
Try being a teacher of advanced years trying to relate to the first year out teachers. The age gap is close to 40 years.
Same with us old Docs and the new Docs!
:lol
Same with us old Docs and the new Docs!
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What you reckon Peta Credlin is writing his speeches Magic LOL
:lol
No but there was a load of cliched rhetoric just the same.
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What you reckon Peta Credlin is writing his speeches Magic LOL
Peta Credlin's a lovely girl. Richmond should offer her a job.
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What you reckon Peta Credlin is writing his speeches Magic LOL
Peta Credlin's a lovely girl. Richmond should offer her a job.
:chuck
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What you reckon Peta Credlin is writing his speeches Magic LOL
Peta Credlin's a lovely girl. Richmond should offer her a job.
Yeah, you are right, She is doing a great job for Labor lol.
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
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probably because he was a young man v old boys
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
So did I. Doesn't mean I'm any good
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
So did I. Doesn't mean I'm any good
Kicked ten in a tac cup game too
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He's ready.
Bring him in.
poos on McBean already
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Mcbean kicked 3-4 and didn't get out of second gear, he s coming along nicely in our nursery that's bristling with talent :shh no kinda rush when we have a dual Coleman medalist outa the sq :clapping
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He's ready.
Bring him in.
poos on McBean already
No he isn't.
No.
No he doesn't.
Mcbean kicked 3-4
He kicked 2.
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McBean did bugger all all day except in the last term.
McKenzie is improving, takes some nice grabs around the ground. is a project but is coming along nicely
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Mcbean kicked 3-4 and didn't get out of second gear, he s coming along nicely in our nursery that's bristling with talent :shh no kinda rush when we have a dual Coleman medalist outa the sq :clapping
Yep your right he didn't get out of 2nd gear because he did absolutely zippo until the last qtr
He was very disappointing
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
I agree Dooks. Just needs to have a huge preseason to improve his tank. Has the tools to make an impact.
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Showed a bit on the ruck
We need to be patient, long term project what will be worth the wait
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This guy was touted as having a huge tank for a bloke his size during the draft period.
Why now is all the talk about his aerobic fitness? We need a power forward, not another skinny one.
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This guy was touted as having a huge tank for a bloke his size during the draft period.
Why now is all the talk about his aerobic fitness? We need a power forward, not another skinny one.
It is a very different game these days. Forwards need to lead continuously up and down the ground. As well as power you need a tank. Simple.
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Could squeeze him (or mcbean, Astbury) in.
By moving Griff with rance, and dropping the cheetah that is chappy
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Next year he ll find himself a chance, doing his apprenticeship , has shown some real improvement in recent weeks that he s now at the level at vfl. stuffen miles off afl , so don't go there :shh
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
So did I. Doesn't mean I'm any good
Did you deliver these numbers in a TAC game?
18 disposals, 13 marks (6 of those contested), three goal assists, 10 goals and 4 behinds. A total of 256 Supercoach points
If so, you were incredibly unlucky not to be given a crack.
At 197cms and 100kg, it will only be attitude and luck with injuries that will prevent him being given a go
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
So did I. Doesn't mean I'm any good
Did you deliver these numbers in a TAC game?
18 disposals, 13 marks (6 of those contested), three goal assists, 10 goals and 4 behinds. A total of 256 Supercoach points
If so, you were incredibly unlucky not to be given a crack.
At 197cms and 100kg, it will only be attitude and luck with injuries that will prevent him being given a go
:shh
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
Will need to have a huge pre-season....
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
Will need to have a huge pre-season....
Is he that far behind griffiths and vickers? At least Mckenzie seems to stick tackles. Which is nice
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This guy was touted as having a huge tank for a bloke his size during the draft period.
Incorrect Andy.
Great speed for a guy his size but his aerobic capacity was always going to be the biggest hurdle.
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
Will need to have a huge pre-season....
Is he that far behind griffiths and vickers? At least Mckenzie seems to stick tackles. Which is nice
Still a fair way behind both....and yes, he stuck the one tackle he made yesterday.
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Kicked 16 in a game for his school
So did I. Doesn't mean I'm any good
Did you deliver these numbers in a TAC game?
18 disposals, 13 marks (6 of those contested), three goal assists, 10 goals and 4 behinds. A total of 256 Supercoach points
If so, you were incredibly unlucky not to be given a crack.
At 197cms and 100kg, it will only be attitude and luck with injuries that will prevent him being given a go
Never played TAC so can't say I did, but who said I was never given a crack ;)
This guy was touted as having a huge tank for a bloke his size during the draft period.
Why now is all the talk about his aerobic fitness? We need a power forward, not another skinny one.
I thought his tank was his biggest issue the moment he walked in? That or his apparently poor attitude
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McKenzie could surprise a few. Could be on target for an early 2016 debut :clapping
Will need to have a huge pre-season....
Is he that far behind griffiths and vickers? At least Mckenzie seems to stick tackles. Which is nice
Still a fair way behind both....and yes, he stuck the one tackle he made yesterday.
Yet What a tackle
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Give him a sub spot this year.
Then watch him do a good pre season
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Look, let's be honest here, we could do worse.
All this talk of Astbury and Elton back in is draining my pouch.
Don't drain my pouch.
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The kids still waiting to make their AFL debut at your club
Riley Beveridge
FOX SPORTS
November 08, 2015
RICHMOND — REECE McKENZIE
Tall forward Reece McKenzie kicked a heap of goals in TAC Cup footy, but still slid to Richmond at pick 77 last year. At 197cm and 104kg, he established himself as a consistent lead-up forward at VFL level in 2015. He averaged five marks per game and booted 10 goals from 16 matches. He also spent a bit of time in the ruck throughout the year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/the-kids-still-waiting-to-make-their-afl-debut-at-your-club/story-e6frf3e3-1227599879786
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Needs a fitness base he certainly has the athleticism and size to go with it. I dont care how far of the pace he is i want us to play him at opportune times next year.
Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
Yeah nah.
Dustin is a natural defender.
Liam is one of the most natural forwards we have. Certainly he's one of our best shots for goal.
Not a defender's a-hole though Clawski.
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
Yeah nah.
Dustin is a natural defender.
Liam is one of the most natural forwards we have. Certainly he's one of our best shots for goal.
Not a defender's a-hole though Clawski.
played well in defense during some periods of his life, by some accounts
do you or do you not get troy is terrible?
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
Yeah nah.
Dustin is a natural defender.
Liam is one of the most natural forwards we have. Certainly he's one of our best shots for goal.
Not a defender's a-hole though Clawski.
played well in defense during some periods of his life, by some accounts
do you or do you not get troy is terrible?
:lol
I know Chappy is passed it, but that doesn't mean Liam should be thrown in defence.
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
Yeah nah.
Dustin is a natural defender.
Liam is one of the most natural forwards we have. Certainly he's one of our best shots for goal.
Not a defender's a-hole though Clawski.
played well in defense during some periods of his life, by some accounts
do you or do you not get troy is terrible?
:lol
I know Chappy is passed it, but that doesn't mean Liam should be thrown in defence.
again,
it has been reported at some stages mcbean played very well in the backline ...
i cannot confirm or deny
but it wouldnt be a first if a tall forward 'made it' at the other end
better to have the kid in the backline than to have him in the 2s :whistle
more so when you are carrying a load of un-kotcha list blocking mates of dimma
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Look, let's be honest here, we could do worse.
All this talk of Astbury and Elton back in is draining my pouch.
Don't drain my pouch.
How is yr Joey?
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
I'm happy to see that, Claw.
Imo, McBean won't break through otherwise.
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Heres an idea i have floated before .Liam McBean to the back line. I still maintain as a kid his best footy was at CHB.I look at him and see so many similarities to Dustin Fletcher.
I'm happy to see that, Claw.
Imo, McBean won't break through otherwise.
Here is an idea, 3 weeks backline, 3 weeks fwd line, evaluate and decide :shh
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
Tend to agree about McBean. Every key forward has to be physically imposing, not a crumber. Happily proven wrong though
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Yes santa...tops our VFL goalkicking in his first year, despite missing two games, tops it again the second season and comes second in the entire comp., by only 2 goals despite playing 6 games less than the winner, tops it for the third year running and jointly wins it for the entire comp. despite again missing games....kicks over 100 goals in three short interrupted seasons and getting crap service from a bottom 4 midfield....all while being an out of position defender and showing no attributes as a forward....quite amazing really....
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
Tend to agree about McBean. Every key forward has to be physically imposing, not a crumber. Happily proven wrong though
vickery has kicked 100 goals... not really tony lockett
is gunston physically imposing?
pimples from the drug cheats
cameron is only 89kg
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Yes santa...tops our VFL goalkicking in his first year, despite missing two games, tops it again the second season and comes second in the entire comp., by only 2 goals despite playing 6 games less than the winner, tops it for the third year running and jointly wins it for the entire comp. despite again missing games....kicks over 100 goals in three short interrupted seasons and getting crap service from a bottom 4 midfield....all while being an out of position defender and showing no attributes as a forward....quite amazing really....
What dark lord said....
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
Every key forward has to be physically imposing, not a crumber. Happily proven wrong though
History has already proven you wrong.
Buddy, arguably the best forward of our time, is not psychically imposing, at least not in the sense you're referring to. He actually struggles to take a mark over his head and he rarely splits packs. He doesn't have to though, because he uses pace, skill and agility to kick goals. McBean has all those attributes.
Give him time.
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
As an ex forward myself I watched him closely in the games I went to this year and he is a very natural forward. Leeds well and leeds at the right time. Those 2 things alone will get you shots at goal. You don't have to be lightening quick or even very strong, you just need the timing of a natural forward.
Even in the couple of AFL games he played, without getting much of the footy, he lead well.
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Was the only thing he did remotely well when playing AFL. Didn't eventuate to much but it was a start
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Have to watch it again but I'm pretty sure he had at least couple of handy possessions v Collingwood ....and he nearly crumbed a goal v Essendon...
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Was the only thing he did remotely well when playing AFL. Didn't eventuate to much but it was a start
In those five quarters ...
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Was the only thing he did remotely well when playing AFL. Didn't eventuate to much but it was a start
In those five quarters ...
Exactly. Needs more game time to progress
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As an ex backman I can tell you McBean would be easy to defend against.
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As an ex backman I can tell you McBean would be easy to defend against.
At last, something to do with footy.
And with your reference of being an ex backman people can take your opinion with the hint that you may know what you are talking about. That's all I was trying to do. Nothing more.
And why do you think he would be easy to defend against? He has done pretty well in our twos as a forward against some very good opposition.
Petey there is no need to make people scroll through boring fights between two posters. People like a laugh and some wit but sometimes some comments are just boring and unnecessary.
Anyway I'm happy to move on and I look forward to your response, as an ex backman, as to why you think McBean would be easy to defend against.
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McBean has some good skills but at AFL level he looked to be a bit of a one trick pony. He was getting the 3rd or 4th defender. Yes he's good at ground level, yes he's very agile for his size, but for the most part he was a lead up forward and little else. Did show a bit tho
A tall athletic defender wouldn't have much trouble keeping him quiet. not a skinny defender, think someone in the Jack Hombch/Alex Rance/James Frawley mould. All very good 1v1 and of similar athletic capablities as Bean
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I would have we give him a real opporunity and good string of games this year, otherwise, why did we draft him
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Looking forward to seeing McBean and McKenzie in the pre-season matches. Hopefully will be accompanied by kids like Ah Chee and Lennon. Could be a glimpse of the future :D
Riewoldt (lock)
Vickery (lock)
Griffiths
McBean
McKenzie
Who will take the 3rd KPF post? Is it possible to play two of those last three? Jack and Ty are quite good/agile at ground level. Griffiths not and McKenzie probably not, McBean apparently is.
Just add Lennon, Ah Chee and Deledio.
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
McBean will be delisted within two years if he cant find a physical presence especially in the air.
I have never seen so much Hype about a key forward who just has not shown the attributes to be a good one at the top level.
As a junior his height reach pace and agility enabled him to be a good defender. He dind't have to be a strong mark or crash packs he just had to get close enough to the contest to get a fist in.
It was as a kpd that he excelled yet we steadfastly refuse to try him there, and thats despite having two very similar players in front of him in Vickery, Griffiths who play fwd.
FFS we tried post in defense elton in defense even griffiths yet the one who showed the most as a junior there we plonk fwd and turn him into a lazy bastard.FFS every statement i read out of the club they keep saying hes to be our future #1 ruckman lol.
Every key forward has to be physically imposing, not a crumber. Happily proven wrong though
History has already proven you wrong.
Buddy, arguably the best forward of our time, is not psychically imposing, at least not in the sense you're referring to. He actually struggles to take a mark over his head and he rarely splits packs. He doesn't have to though, because he uses pace, skill and agility to kick goals. McBean has all those attributes.
Give him time.
Buddy is very physically imposing. smashing through blokes trying to tackle him, way faster than McBean. People are scared to fill the whole in front of buddy on the lead. Not to mention he's a great tackler. McBean is tall and thats about it. May be swift on his feet for a tall bloke but he isnt fast.
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when i saw the bean in the early days i thought he was a huge talent.he was quick,skillfull and tall.The one area that i thought he failed in was marking,especially the contested mark.i have seen minimal improvement in this area.
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Franklin not physically imposing? stuff drunk and sideways, I've heard it all now....
BTW McBean is not just highly rated at Richmond - he's highly rated right across the comp.......has been asked about in the last two trade periods... :shh
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ok Bojo, hands like croc jaws and legs like a springbok and arms like anacondas and eyes like frikken lazerbeams
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Wash your mouth out Ta Wit Ta Woo...my mail is real, not made up....one club in particular are watching him like one of your fellow birds of prey that is known for watching intently......... :shh
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Hands like a steel trap this kid with more tricks than David copperfield , most good judges rating him as the next big thing. 12 months of development in our vfl nursery and he ll be cherry ripe :shh
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:lol
OK, maybe to say Buddy was not physically imposing was wrong. My point was that you don't have to be a monster KPF to be successful. If you are quick and skilful enough you don't need to be super strong.
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Richard is not that far off that mark ...
Buddy is not imposing in the sense of a key forward in the traditional sense
he plays as a hff / wing / pocket
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McBean has some good skills but at AFL level he looked to be a bit of a one trick pony. He was getting the 3rd or 4th defender. Yes he's good at ground level, yes he's very agile for his size, but for the most part he was a lead up forward and little else. Did show a bit tho
A tall athletic defender wouldn't have much trouble keeping him quiet. not a skinny defender, think someone in the Jack Hombch/Alex Rance/James Frawley mould. All very good 1v1 and of similar athletic capablities as Bean
I'm not sure Hawthorn would play Frawley on McBean or we would play Rance on a player like McBean. 2 AA players and Hombch is up and coming.
I'd think Hawthorn would play Birchell or Stratton on McBean and I think both guys could be shown up by his height in marking contests and even McBean on a lead.
MeBean IMO is a player who just knows where the ball is going, it's nothing a stat sheet can tell you or nothing you can really put your finger on. He is what people would class as a natural footballer.
I cannot ever see him getting 20 kicks a game but I can see him getting 10 kicks a game and kicking 5 goals. I don't think he will ever put on enough weight to be the number one forward but I can see him playing close to goal and hurting teams with his smarts and his unique size and agility.
The best thing about him is he is a great kick at goal. If you arnt going to get it much you need to make the most of every opportunity.
I think he should model his game on Jack Gunston. McBean isn't as good in the air as Jack but I could see him playing the floating roll in our forward 50. He really needs to get extremely fit to be able to outrun the Birchells or Strattons of the AFL.
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Fair point, but I was more answering your question as to how some defenders would find it easy to defend against Beaner. Fair call on those blokes probably not playing on him,Hombch is better than up and comer though.
Interesting you mention Stratton. I rate him incredibly high, he is a great defender. If we could have him in our side instead of Batchelor we'd be doing a lot better.
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Forget Vickery & Griffiths after next year, McBean & McKenzie are our KPF future. :shh
Mckenzie
McBean
Mcreiwoldt
:pray :pray
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Fair point, but I was more answering your question as to how some defenders would find it easy to defend against Beaner. Fair call on those blokes probably not playing on him,Hombch is better than up and comer though.
Interesting you mention Stratton. I rate him incredibly high, he is a great defender. If we could have him in our side instead of Batchelor we'd be doing a lot better.
If u have deledio Lennon jack Martin Cotchin yarren Vickery Griffiths titch Maric as viable forward options
...Chances are McBean would not be getting the best defender every week, if he was to eve get a game one of these years. Perhaps he'd even get off th leash
He's won multiple Coleman medals or there abouts - in Vfl form - even if he is easy to defend against
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VFL leading goal kicker with what, 32 goals? sure he's consistent but not like he's dominating. has deserved more games than he's received tho
you cant play al those players in the same team. and defenders who play on Yarren and Shane edwards will not be options for Mcbean obviously. and they seem dead set on not playing mcbean, griff, ty in the same team.
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Big Tone has nailed it on McBean :cheers
Not sure why this is on big Reece's thread
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Because they are competing for spots
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On last years form, Reece is about 2-3 years behind McBean. That could change if Reece takes the next step faster than anticipated.
They are also very different players and would play different positions.
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On last years form, Reece is about 2-3 years behind McBean. That could change if Reece takes the next step faster than anticipated.
They are also very different players and would play different positions.
Think Reece is a bit more physically developed than McBean so although he will still be behind in 2016, I think he'll be more physically ready to play AFL and therefore close the gap. And although they are different players they would be competing for the same spot, being 3rd tall forward. Whether you, me or anyone else agree's, we all know Reiwoldt and Vickery are pretty much (conservitably) a lock for the 1st and 2nd tall. So although they play different either McKenzie and McBean would come in and play 3rd fiddle
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Hands like a steel trap this kid with more tricks than David copperfield , most good judges rating him as the next big thing. 12 months of development in our vfl nursery and he ll be cherry ripe :shh
haha there ya are, you have to do these I can't do em anymore I am running out of body parts and replacements
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VFL leading goal kicker with what, 32 goals? sure he's consistent but not like he's dominating. has deserved more games than he's received tho
you cant play al those players in the same team. and defenders who play on Yarren and Shane edwards will not be options for Mcbean obviously. and they seem dead set on not playing mcbean, griff, ty in the same team.
Since he's played VFL the leading goalkickers have kicked 55,38 & 42(him, Grimley & Lisle) so it's reflective of the comp.- don't forget it's a shorter season, conditions are often crap, he's missed matches with injuries every year and senior call up as well this year, and as I said, the delivery into the forward line has been abysmal. I'd say, all things considered, he's done exceedingly well .
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VFL leading goal kicker with what, 32 goals? sure he's consistent but not like he's dominating. has deserved more games than he's received tho
you cant play al those players in the same team. and defenders who play on Yarren and Shane edwards will not be options for Mcbean obviously. and they seem dead set on not playing mcbean, griff, ty in the same team.
Sorry, my mistake. I thought this was the Reece Mackenzie thread.
Since he's played VFL the leading goalkickers have kicked 55,38 & 42(him, Grimley & Lisle) so it's reflective of the comp.- don't forget it's a shorter season, conditions are often crap, he's missed matches with injuries every year and senior call up as well this year, and as I said, the delivery into the forward line has been abysmal. I'd say, all things considered, he's done exceedingly well .
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McKenzie still a couple of pre seasons away - think Hawkins and how long it took him to be a half reasonable player. However McBean is ready to go this year. :snidegrin