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Title: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 27, 2014, 08:48:31 PM
What do we all think? Summarise your thoughts here
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 27, 2014, 08:50:12 PM
Joke
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Rodgerramjet on November 27, 2014, 09:00:43 PM
Did we just throw five draft picks away?

I'm a bit stunned here!
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: cub on November 27, 2014, 09:02:32 PM
No idea missed it all, so whatever please tell
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: pmac21 on November 27, 2014, 09:03:50 PM
All have speed and can kick the footy.  Time will tell but the mantra continues
Would have loved Connor Blakely only issue
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: cub on November 27, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Any house hunters?
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tony_montana on November 27, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
I reckon time will tell that we did well out of this draft.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WilliamPowell on November 27, 2014, 09:05:08 PM
I reckon time will tell that we did well out of this draft.

Just like all drafts  ;D
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on November 27, 2014, 09:08:39 PM
Who knows, time will tell. I would like to see Ellis, McKenzie and Drummond play next year, at least Ellis.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Rodgerramjet on November 27, 2014, 09:12:29 PM
I reckon time will tell that we did well out of this draft.

That's encouraging.

Time wise, what are we looking at 3-5yrs?
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tony_montana on November 27, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
I reckon time will tell that we did well out of this draft.

That's encouraging.

Time wise, what are we looking at 3-5yrs?

2 years is enough to get a reasonable gauge. Ellis, Drummond and Mckenzie physically are close. Menadue can play imo, just need to see if his frame is conducive to putting on weight(you can never be 100% sure), if he's still around the low 70kg mark this time next year then i'll be worried about his ability to gain mass.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 27, 2014, 09:22:13 PM
At least we've got Newman, Grigg and Co to cover our new recruits for the next 2 years until they get their body's right.

Everything is gonna be peachy
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tony_montana on November 27, 2014, 09:23:26 PM
At least we've got Newman, Grigg and Co to cover our new recruits for the next 2 years until they get their body's right.

Everything is gonna be peachy

ELE
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 27, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
What's below laughable? :lol
Seriously would have preferred Laverde or Duggan at 12 to Ellis, but at least there was a pattern to the recruiting. Get a class ball extractor (with no pace) and fill the list with elite outside runners (Menadue, Drummond, Butler). Then get a power forward that can lead and leave a gap between himself and the backman.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Lozza on November 27, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
Honestly cant see what the fuss is about, we asked for more speed and that's what we now have, we asked for more midfielders and we got that too. All players appear to have very good skills and i especially like the look of Drummond, reminds me a bit of Adam Cooney. Even Butler seems to have something special. In regards to Menadue holy crap, he has some serious toe, even if he is only 69kgs if he gets clear than how does body weight really matter. Even McKenzie has a serious upside if he can get rid of some of the puppy fat he could be anything, might nickname him "Velcro", steel traps for hands, didn't see one fumble during his highlights package.

Overall very happy with picks, think Ellis will be something special, should mature very nicely given the other midfielders he has to learn from.

Lets face it, the draft can be a lottery at the best of times so you just never know but on face value the picks tonight do appear to tick all the boxes.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Willy on November 28, 2014, 12:19:22 AM
Wasn't too excited about Ellis but after researching our later picks I think we've done well. Really like the look of the 'Due and McPlugger.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Tommy on November 28, 2014, 01:18:10 AM
I hope none of them read the great encouragement you lot of clowns have given them.

Grow up you lot.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2014, 01:32:03 AM
I reckon time will tell that we did well out of this draft.

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Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: mat073 on November 28, 2014, 03:10:20 AM
Honestly cant see what the fuss is about, we asked for more speed and that's what we now have, we asked for more midfielders and we got that too. All players appear to have very good skills and i especially like the look of Drummond, reminds me a bit of Adam Cooney. Even Butler seems to have something special. In regards to Menadue holy crap, he has some serious toe, even if he is only 69kgs if he gets clear than how does body weight really matter. Even McKenzie has a serious upside if he can get rid of some of the puppy fat he could be anything, might nickname him "Velcro", steel traps for hands, didn't see one fumble during his highlights package.

Overall very happy with picks, think Ellis will be something special, should mature very nicely given the other midfielders he has to learn from.

Lets face it, the draft can be a lottery at the best of times so you just never know but on face value the picks tonight do appear to tick all the boxes.

You will be booted off this forum soon for being so positive ....first warning ;)
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: one-eyed on November 28, 2014, 04:08:16 AM
Doesn't prove anything but some opposition fans (on BF) thought Richmond did well:

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Richmond- Biggest winner of the bunch,... Good disposer of the footy in ellis, genuine steal at 33 with Menadue, athletic stuff at 52 with drummond, x factor in butler and could be a westhoff type pick at 77 with McKenzie.

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The sides I thought did really well

1. My old side Essendon did well, Langford who could be anything and Laverde who I can't believe lasted till pick 20.
2. West Coast, adressed their weaknesses.
3. Richmond- Ellis is a solid pick, more impressed with the other picks.

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On reflection, Corey Ellis + Menadue + others is a good balance for Richmond .

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/winners-and-losers-in-the-draft.1082824/page-3
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: 1965 on November 28, 2014, 04:40:29 AM

Happy that we picked 5 local lads. (no go home factor)

Lots of speed and a monster replacement for Jack in 5 years time.

But they are all kids who will need time.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: georgies31 on November 28, 2014, 05:03:10 AM
Honestly cant see what the fuss is about, we asked for more speed and that's what we now have, we asked for more midfielders and we got that too. All players appear to have very good skills and i especially like the look of Drummond, reminds me a bit of Adam Cooney. Even Butler seems to have something special. In regards to Menadue holy crap, he has some serious toe, even if he is only 69kgs if he gets clear than how does body weight really matter. Even McKenzie has a serious upside if he can get rid of some of the puppy fat he could be anything, might nickname him "Velcro", steel traps for hands, didn't see one fumble during his highlights package.

Overall very happy with picks, think Ellis will be something special, should mature very nicely given the other midfielders he has to learn from.

Lets face it, the draft can be a lottery at the best of times so you just never know but on face value the picks tonight do appear to tick all the boxes.

Spot on greatpost.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Francois Jackson on November 28, 2014, 07:08:14 AM
Who gives a flying stuff is what I say

The club is a joke and will continue to be one no with Hackson the head recruiter

Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: bojangles17 on November 28, 2014, 07:26:32 AM
Excellennnnnnnnnnnnnt :clapping
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Tigger on November 28, 2014, 09:46:13 AM
What's below laughable? :lol
Seriously would have preferred Laverde or Duggan at 12 to Ellis, but at least there was a pattern to the recruiting. Get a class ball extractor (with no pace) and fill the list with elite outside runners (Menadue, Drummond, Butler). Then get a power forward that can lead and leave a gap between himself and the backman.


Ummm laughable??? - you do realise that Duggan went before pick 12 at # 11 to West Coast Eagles and Laverde went #20 and was Essendon's second pick? Hahaha your too funny - I like your jokes.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 28, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
Still can't believe we didn't trade for (a second) a top 10-30 draft pick

It's quite upsetting to see drugcheatfc do seemingly well.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Tigger on November 28, 2014, 10:16:45 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2014-sam-landsbergers-club-by-club-analysis/story-fnp04d70-1227137519210

RICHMOND


Another blue-chip first-round Tigers pick in hard-nosed midfielder Corey Ellis. The small but speedy Connor Menadue fell to 33 and to land 196cm, 100kg power forward Reece McKenzie at No. 77 a great result. The Saints and Crows considered him much earlier.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Tigger on November 28, 2014, 10:18:14 AM
RICHMOND
 
SEBASTIAN SAYS: Richmond were mere bystanders during the October trade period, indicating the Tigers have belief in their current list and only wanted to add some more young talent to it. With their first pick (12) they landed the hard running and well skilled Corey Ellis who has a great inside and outside game. Connor Menadue is a lightly built running backman that in time will release the likes of Nick Vlastuin into a midfield role. Nathan Drummond is an elite kick, Daniel Butler is a small forward that applies great pressure and Reece McKenzie is a tall forward option that has great hands and dominates marking contests inside the forward 50. Prior to the draft, the Tigers promoted rookie Anthony Miles who had a barnstorming finish to 2014.
 
PICKS:
 12. Corey Ellis – 185cms, 76kgs, midfielder from Western Jets, VIC.
 33. Connor Menadue – 188cms, 69kgs, midfielder/defender from Western Jets, VIC.
 52. Nathan Drummond – 181cms, 85kgs, midfielder from Murray Bushrangers, VIC.
 67. Daniel Butler – 182cms, 78kgs, midfielder from North Ballarat Rebels, VIC.
 77. Reece McKenzie – 196cms, 100kgs, key forward/ruckman from Northern Knights, VIC.
 
RATING: B- Did very well with the picks they had. Ellis has the tools to become a very good midfielder.


http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/2014/11/27/afl-draft-2014-club-fare/#./?&_suid=1417130228978019898723267202634
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tony_montana on November 28, 2014, 11:50:40 AM
Heard the experts like shifter sheehan etc talking about KPP's. Basically said there is a definite correlation of talls that make the grade at afl level also dominated at  TAC level too.  Very rare for a tall that didnt dominate at TAC level to suddenly step up and become an elite big man at AFL level.

At face value I am really happy with how we've gone this draft. Rare to see us take 5 kids. Think Ellis will push for selection immediately, add T.Hunt to that and you would expect an immediate improvement. All our picks fill a list need. Nice work Tigers.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 28, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Still can't believe we didn't trade for (a second) a top 10-30 draft pick

It's quite upsetting to see drugcheatfc do seemingly well.

Yep
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: RedanTiger on November 28, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
Have now compared all the highlight videos and what seems obvious is FJ has done it again.
Amazing is his ability to pull the lesser rein on so many of our picks.
He has taken the lesser option in:
decision making.
kicking skills.
inside ability
toughness
tackling
disposal totals
disposal efficiency
in all of the choices of Ellis over Weller, Menadue over Blakely, Drummond over Gore.

Quite bizarre the way he manages to leave the better pick on the board within the next pick or two, which makes it all the easier to note the discrepancy for years after.
Oh well. Hopefully only the Rookie and PSD draft to go until he retires.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 28, 2014, 01:01:51 PM
Have now compared all the highlight videos and what seems obvious is FJ has done it again.
Amazing is his ability to pull the lesser rein on so many of our picks.
He has taken the lesser option in:
decision making.
kicking skills.
inside ability
toughness
tackling
disposal totals
disposal efficiency
in all of the choices of Ellis over Weller, Menadue over Blakely, Drummond over Gore.

Quite bizarre the way he manages to leave the better pick on the board within the next pick or two, which makes it all the easier to note the discrepancy for years after.
Oh well. Hopefully only the Rookie and PSD draft to go until he retires.
What makes you think Blakely is a better long term prospect than Menadue? Connor is a gun.  Just needs to beef up.  Even the others are subjective.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Willy on November 28, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
It's all subjective. Go back to the year we got Dusty at pick 3 -  about 80% of the top 20 have turned out to be duds.

At this time of year everyone is an expert and every player we missed out on will be a gun.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 28, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
a fair few were saying martin was the #1 ... pre-draft

so its not as if its totally random
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on November 28, 2014, 01:29:54 PM
This in the Hun..

RICHMOND
Another blue-chip first-round Tigers pick in hard-nosed midfielder Corey Ellis. The small but speedy Connor Menadue fell to 33 and to land 196cm, 100kg power forward Reece McKenzie at No.77 a great result. The Saints and Crows considered him much earlier.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: one-eyed on November 29, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
AFL draft 2014: how did your club fare?
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 29, 2014


RICHMOND

A really good group of onballers with nice points of difference. Ellis is unobtrusive, but such a safe user of the ball. Drummond can play in a few different parts of the ground, and played some really good footy this year after missing out in last year's draft. Menadue might need a bit of time (he's so skinny) but can carry the ball, and Butler works really hard in and around the forward 50.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/afl-draft-2014-how-did-your-club-fare-20141128-11wdim.html

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The verdict: Did your club get what it needed at the 2014 NAB AFL Draft?
Callum Twomey 
afl.com.au
November 28, 2014


RICHMOND

Draft selections: 12, 33, 52, 70, 88 (promoted Anthony Miles)

What we said before the draft: It's a good chance for the Tigers to bring more skill to their midfield.

What happened? As expected they picked classy midfielder Corey Ellis at pick 12, and he's one of the better users of the ball in the draft pool. Don't be surprised to see him to settle in fine and look right at home. While Ellis isn't super quick, the Tigers' next four selections all bring great speed to the club's list. Connor Menadue, Nathan Drummond and Daniel Butler are quick and get the ball going, while power forward Reece McKenzie is also an extremely talented athlete who had a good year in the TAC Cup. He'll be given time to work on his game.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-27/how-did-your-club-fare-at-the-2014-draft
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: the claw on November 29, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
Still can't believe we didn't trade for (a second) a top 10-30 draft pick

It's quite upsetting to see drugcheatfc do seemingly well.
sheesh i gotta agree with this.

who knows what we have got until they play. at least taking  5 kids was a step in the right direction.
where we failed was before the draft in trade and f/a period.failed to address some needs and failed to better our draft position with the intent of going heavily into the draft.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on November 29, 2014, 05:08:18 PM
We need to go back and look at the Tambling, Myres and Patterson draft, were some of you as critical back then, were some of you excited?

We all know the way it turned out....I just have a better feeling about this draft.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tony_montana on November 30, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
We need to go back and look at the Tambling, Myres and Patterson draft, were some of you as critical back then, were some of you excited?

We all know the way it turned out....I just have a better feeling about this draft.
I'd say that's one of the reasons why there is some trepidation about our draftees
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 30, 2014, 08:35:42 AM
I just have a better feeling about this draft.

Sounds like a rational, well thought out and scientifically verifiable opinion based on sound research.

Could I get this weeks lotto numbers pls?

Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: Penelope on November 30, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
probably not too different to most other opinions on this years draftees
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on November 30, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
I just have a better feeling about this draft.

Sounds like a rational, well thought out and scientifically verifiable opinion based on sound research.

Could I get this weeks lotto numbers pls?

Does everything have to be analysed for you Dooks or can we not just comment or have our thoughts......this is a forum inst it???
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on November 30, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
We need to go back and look at the Tambling, Myres and Patterson draft, were some of you as critical back then, were some of you excited?

We all know the way it turned out....I just have a better feeling about this draft.
I'd say that's one of the reasons why there is some trepidation about our draftees

Agree and if it ends up like the Tambling draft or players after our picked that were rated and playing better than ours (second and third rounders) like the Heppal draft than we will need to look at our recruiting team.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: the claw on November 30, 2014, 06:08:21 PM
Have now compared all the highlight videos and what seems obvious is FJ has done it again.
Amazing is his ability to pull the lesser rein on so many of our picks.
He has taken the lesser option in:
decision making.
kicking skills.
inside ability
toughness
tackling
disposal totals
disposal efficiency
in all of the choices of Ellis over Weller, Menadue over Blakely, Drummond over Gore.

Quite bizarre the way he manages to leave the better pick on the board within the next pick or two, which makes it all the easier to note the discrepancy for years after.
Oh well. Hopefully only the Rookie and PSD draft to go until he retires.
gotta agree with this. at each pick bar our last i had better rated players well better rated imo based on some pretty similar criteria.
i actually think our rating system has to be wrong.
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: tiga on December 01, 2014, 12:24:48 PM
We need to go back and look at the Tambling, Myres and Patterson draft, were some of you as critical back then, were some of you excited?

We all know the way it turned out....I just have a better feeling about this draft.
I'd say that's one of the reasons why there is some trepidation about our draftees

Agree and if it ends up like the Tambling draft or players after our picked that were rated and playing better than ours (second and third rounders) like the Heppal draft than we will need to look at our recruiting team.
I agree WAT, I too have a good feeling about our selections especially Menadue. So why not be positive?? After all there is plenty of time to be negative, Dooks is just the guy waiting in his sleeping bag outside a new store that is selling the first ever aerosol can of doom and gloom just so he can say he was the first person to get one!   ;D
Title: Re: Rate our 2014 draft effort
Post by: WA Tiger on December 01, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
We need to go back and look at the Tambling, Myres and Patterson draft, were some of you as critical back then, were some of you excited?

We all know the way it turned out....I just have a better feeling about this draft.
I'd say that's one of the reasons why there is some trepidation about our draftees

Agree and if it ends up like the Tambling draft or players after our picked that were rated and playing better than ours (second and third rounders) like the Heppal draft than we will need to look at our recruiting team.
I agree WAT, I too have a good feeling about our selections especially Menadue. So why not be positive?? After all there is plenty of time to be negative, Dooks is just the guy waiting in his sleeping bag outside a new store that is selling the first ever aerosol can of doom and gloom just so he can say he was the first person to get one!   ;D

 :lol