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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 04, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
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Okay we've had 24 hours to take all our recruiting in. How did we rate our recruiting over the whole trade/draft period?
Age Height Weight Recruited From Position
DFA. Taylor Hunt 24 184 78 Geelong Midfielder
ND12. Corey Ellis 18 185 76 Western Jets Midfielder
ND33. Connor Menadue 18 188 69 Western Jets Midfielder
ND52. Nathan Drummond 19 181 85 Murray Bushrangers Midfielder
ND67. Daniel Butler 18 181 79 North Ballarat Rebels Small Forward
ND77. Reece McKenzie 18 196 100 Northern Knights Tall Forward
RD11. Jayden Short 18 179 71 Northern Knights Small Forward
RD29. Jason Castagna 18 182 76 Northern Knights Small Defender
RD46. Kane Lambert 23 178 78 Williamstown Midfielder
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Either it's the first uncompromised draft for some time, or the start of a new 5 year plan. No recycled hacks for a change seems like a new beginning, almost.
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good we still got arnot
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I rate it "preparation for next year's trade period." ...or at least I hope that's what it was.
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So good to finally see them to bring in 6-7 young kids in one hit. That always generates a bit more excitement and energy. Its a numbers game, the more you draft the more chances of unearthing a gem or two. pretty hard to unearth gems when you're taking just 1 kid in a draft.
Would love to see Hunt, Ellis, Drummond and Lambert force their way into our best 22. Add Lennon to that and all of a sudden you have a pretty rapid improvement. Might sound a bit optimistic but Hunt and lambert are already physically mature and I would fully expect them to be thereabouts... and Ellis & Drummond don't look far off either.
Hopefully Menadue can surprise too but would be happy with 5-6 games from him.
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I agree TM, Hunt Sheep (if that is his nickname) and Drummond are ready to go and have "youth" on their side. It is likely that Ellis will press for a few games next year too, say 5-8 similarly to Lennon this year.
Natural improvement in Lennon and all the Macs on the list and you can see our team getting better.
We do not have a lot of "older" players on our list, Newman aside.
We may get a bit of luck from the injury gods too, and get Knights back out on the park who is a quality player when fit.
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So good to finally see them to bring in 6-7 young kids in one hit. That always generates a bit more excitement and energy. Its a numbers game, the more you draft the more chances of unearthing a gem or two. pretty hard to unearth gems when you're taking just 1 kid in a draft.
Would love to see Hunt, Ellis, Drummond and Lambert force their way into our best 22. Add Lennon to that and all of a sudden you have a pretty rapid improvement. Might sound a bit optimistic but Hunt and lambert are already physically mature and I would fully expect them to be thereabouts... and Ellis & Drummond don't look far off either.
Hopefully Menadue can surprise too but would be happy with 5-6 games from him.
mcbean guy too
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Still would have liked to see the Tigers go after an experienced midfielder such as Levi Greenwood.
Hopefully Hunt can contribute, and maybe Kane Lambert is physically developed enough to play AFL standard.
Otherwise it's a bunch of kids with weight in the 70's who will take a few years to develop. Glad we got some kids, but I don't think any of these guys will have a massive impact next year.
Unless we see some current players really lift their games to a new level we'll be looking at trying to scrape into the 8 again.
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greenwood and robinson are hardly mouth watering
hunt might not be ablett but he should be around that level at least
if they get patton and the greyhound from gws it was worth the wait and the list will be looking healthy
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Who is the greyhound?
Blokes I want are Shiel and WHE. Wouldn't say no to Treloar or Cameron either.
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WHE
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So good to finally see them to bring in 6-7 young kids in one hit. That always generates a bit more excitement and energy. Its a numbers game, the more you draft the more chances of unearthing a gem or two. pretty hard to unearth gems when you're taking just 1 kid in a draft.
:thumbsup
Early picks are all mids too. I like it.
Still I voted ' wait and see ' coz that's really the only way you can vote isn't it ? Nice to see Claw has voted lol.
Hopefully Menadue can surprise too but would be happy with 5-6 games from him.
He weighs about 3 kilos so I can't see him playing at all in 2015.
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WHE
Tend to agree about WHE. It's hard to rate them in order though ? Cameron could be anything , Treleor is a serious ball magnet , Hoskin- Elliot has the x factor and plays a bit like Fyfe. Shiel doesn't excite me as much as those three but he still looks a player.
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So good to finally see them to bring in 6-7 young kids in one hit. That always generates a bit more excitement and energy. Its a numbers game, the more you draft the more chances of unearthing a gem or two. pretty hard to unearth gems when you're taking just 1 kid in a draft.
I agree. Adds a bit of trade currency too. If one becomes a gun and 2 or so become decent foot soldiers at least you can trade one of the average for a handy average but useful player of need or improve draft position.
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Excellentttttttt, aced it ,,,,,,again :clapping
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Chris Pelchen on the AFL website gave us the equal worst rating ... C+
Richmond
The Tigers were surprisingly quiet during the trade period – especially in comparison to recent years – but they deliberately addressed some areas of concern in the draft. The recruitment of Corey Ellis, Connor Menadue, Nathan Drummond and Daniel Butler provides real run and carry to a team needing extra speed while hulking key tall Reece McKenzie was a worthy choice as a development project to support Jack Riewoldt. Overall, a sound result.
2014 Trade/Draft Period Rating: C+
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-04/pelchens-analysis
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Did more than Sydney (Hunt as a DFA, and they lost Malceski) yet we get a C+ and they a B-.
Stupid article.
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Ahhh, the Pelican ...... 2 names - Beau Howler & Mitch Torp.
You tosser.
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An B+ for me , we didn't trade our picks and brought 7 kids in.
We rated the kids and grabbed the best left on the table.
I like Ellis and the McKenzie was a steal.
Maybe Pelcham can get a job with Terry Wallet, they have similarities.
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That Pelchin article was truly rubbish.
He rated us the lowest yet look at adelaide Collingwood essendon fremantle. Joke. Pies lost two match winners yet rated that high. Beams and Harry O are in their top 10, yet that rated higher than us..Joke.
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That Pelchin article was truly rubbish.
He rated us the lowest yet look at adelaide Collingwood essendon fremantle. Joke. Pies lost two match winners yet rated that high. Beams and Harry O are in their top 10, yet that rated higher than us..Joke.
not sure what is not to like what collingwood did.
they lost obrien basically for varcoe in a three club player swap.., they basically managed to snare crisp who looks real promising, nd 5 degoey and nd 25 greenwood, to replace beams. while not in the same class as beams greenwood is a handy inside mature replacement especially if his form continues. degoey though could be a beauty and every bit as good as beams..
degoey for beams, i rated heeney, petracca , degoey then brayshaw in that order as far as mids go. add moore f/s at 9 and bloody hell theres some real potential gone to that club. to top it off they took maynard with a second rounder.
imo they had a very good trade /draft period with the hand they were dealt.
to me they covered their senior losses as best as they could and once again well and truly looked after the long term future.
what is scary is the thought of both scharenberg and freeman coming into their team both very high picks last yr and both injured last yr. basically high quaity new recruits.
yes beams is a big loss but harry o they couldnt get out the door quick enough there had been too many issues. ball retired but his best was way behind him.
i think pelchens ratings swayed by both trades and nd. not surprising richmond and freo rated worse than anyone else because of the lack of trades.
personally if im sceptical about any clubs trade / draft period its geelongs. to me in trades both of stanley and clarke are high risk. as is blease as a f/a. ditto for me with nakia cockatoo at nd pick 10.
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In hindsight, what a topsy turvy recruiting effort.
Age Height Weight Recruited From Position
DFA. Taylor Hunt 24 184 78 Geelong Midfielder
ND12. Corey Ellis 18 185 76 Western Jets Midfielder
ND33. Connor Menadue 18 188 69 Western Jets Midfielder
ND52. Nathan Drummond 19 181 85 Murray Bushrangers Midfielder
ND67. Daniel Butler 18 181 79 North Ballarat Rebels Small Forward
ND77. Reece McKenzie 18 196 100 Northern Knights Tall Forward
RD11. Jayden Short 18 179 71 Northern Knights Small Forward
RD29. Jason Castagna 18 182 76 Northern Knights Small Defender
RD46. Kane Lambert 23 178 78 Williamstown Midfielder
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In hindsight, what a topsy turvy recruiting effort.
Age Height Weight Recruited From Position
DFA. Taylor Hunt 24 184 78 Geelong Midfielder
ND12. Corey Ellis 18 185 76 Western Jets Midfielder
ND33. Connor Menadue 18 188 69 Western Jets Midfielder
ND52. Nathan Drummond 19 181 85 Murray Bushrangers Midfielder
ND67. Daniel Butler 18 181 79 North Ballarat Rebels Small Forward
ND77. Reece McKenzie 18 196 100 Northern Knights Tall Forward
RD11. Jayden Short 18 179 71 Northern Knights Small Forward
RD29. Jason Castagna 18 182 76 Northern Knights Small Defender
RD46. Kane Lambert 23 178 78 Williamstown Midfielder
Revisit the 2014 ND draft thread. i recall it well. People who had an idea about football were furious with our picks and rightly so. Corey 54% by foot Ellis. Drafting skinny and poor prospects ahead of others available.
Others who defended our drafting didnt have the faintest idea.
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3 premiership players, 2 emergencies on grand final day, not bad I’d say.
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I doubt any club has had a better rookie draft haul than that.
Short, Lambert and Castagna in one hit.
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It was a good effort but Corey Ellis should never have been selected by us. I said it on the night and maintained that view right through. Butler, Short, Castagna and Lambert make it a good draft. I always expect us to find 2 good players in every national draft. This time we found 2 good ones and 2 ok ones. So that's not bad, but it was stuff Jackson taking players like Corey Ellis and Ben Lennon that has really cost us.
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It was a good effort but Corey Ellis should never have been selected by us. I said it on the night and maintained that view right through. Butler, Short, Castagna and Lambert make it a good draft. I always expect us to find 2 good players in every national draft. This time we found 2 good ones and 2 ok ones. So that's not bad, but it was stuff Jackson taking players like Corey Ellis and Ben Lennon that has really cost us.
Lambo finished 3rd in the B&F in a premiership year and buttered up with a 2nd this year. He’s better than good.
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He's a glorified Tim Fleming. Without the guts.
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Typical FJ period. The best player we get out of the whole trade/draft period is a mature recruit Lambert with our last rookie pick.
IMO 4 of the 5 nd picks are failures to date. Yes Menadue and Butler are still there but Menadue has failed dismally when given opportunity in the seniors and another poo season will see him gone. Only sml fwd Butler has proved himself and he has his fair share of knockers as well.
Hunt as a dfa was laughable then and is now.
The rookies have all played games but both Castagna and Short have severe limitations in their games and we really should be looking for better.
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What are Short's limitations in your view, claw?
The weakness I see with him is how he goes under pressure in big games. Also gets off lightly for half hearted efforts unlike BEllis, Houli etc. Other than that he showed a lot this year & was very good off HB (mostly)....:shh
Curious to hear your thoughts on him.
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Typical over dramatic Claw post.
We got 3 premiership players out of this draft and another who played 16 games that season and 22 again this season.
Does it really matter that they came with our late and rookie picks rather than our early ones.
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In hindsight, what a topsy turvy recruiting effort.
Age Height Weight Recruited From Position
DFA. Taylor Hunt 24 184 78 Geelong Midfielder
ND12. Corey Ellis 18 185 76 Western Jets Midfielder
ND33. Connor Menadue 18 188 69 Western Jets Midfielder
ND52. Nathan Drummond 19 181 85 Murray Bushrangers Midfielder
ND67. Daniel Butler 18 181 79 North Ballarat Rebels Small Forward
ND77. Reece McKenzie 18 196 100 Northern Knights Tall Forward
RD11. Jayden Short 18 179 71 Northern Knights Small Forward
RD29. Jason Castagna 18 182 76 Northern Knights Small Defender
RD46. Kane Lambert 23 178 78 Williamstown Midfielder
Revisit the 2014 ND draft thread. i recall it well. People who had an idea about football were furious with our picks and rightly so. Corey 54% by foot Ellis. Drafting skinny and poor prospects ahead of others available.
Others who defended our drafting didnt have the faintest idea.
The issue was not that Corey Ellis was at 54% or whatever it was.
The issue was how SLOW he is. Recruiters clearly didn’t see that as Corey had an intrupted U18s and they didn’t look at his pace.
If they did say his pace is an issue then clearly got this wrong!
was it this draft Hartley said in that Corey Ellis Documentary on draft night that “these kids we have drafted we have a good feeling about”???
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I think so
I wish they would just come clean like all other recruiters and say “we stuffed up badly these kids are crap”
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Wasn't Cellis' KE 49%? Clearly remember old mate Bents kept calling him "Mr. 49%" just after we drafted him..... :shh
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McKenzie was a risk that didnt pay off its the first 3 rounds ND that suck. Butler is good IMHO. You really shouldnt stuff up round 1 and 2. Any pick under 40 ought to get you an AFL regular.
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Actually maybe McKenzie should have been a rookie, they must have known the risks.
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Actually maybe McKenzie should have been a rookie, they must have known the risks.
They may have heard whispers that other teams were looking at picking him up as a rookie.....
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I remember when people thought he was going to be the next Plugga. By people I mean the Richmond BF board.
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They're not people.... :shh
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Bumped into Reece a few weeks ago. Still a nice bloke IMO. Maybe just not cut out for the AFL environment...
He's looking at playing for Marcellin next year.
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Bumped into Reece a few weeks ago. Still a nice bloke IMO. Maybe just not cut out for the AFL environment...
He's looking at playing for Marcellin next year.
Yep. The talent was there; that's for sure.
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McKenzie was a risk that didnt pay off its the first 3 rounds ND that suck. Butler is good IMHO. You really shouldnt stuff up round 1 and 2. Any pick under 40 ought to get you an AFL regular.
You done the maths on that?
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Wasn't Cellis' KE 49%? Clearly remember old mate Bents kept calling him "Mr. 49%" just after we drafted him..... :shh
Was it 49%?
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Well..... it's not like Bents was ever prone to exaggeration.. :whistle :shh
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Well..... it's not like Bents was ever prone to exaggeration.... :whistle :shh
Must be 39% minus the mayo
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Best to worst: We grade your club's 2014 draft and trade haul
AFL.com.au
Nov 16, 2019 8:40AM
RICHMOND
2014 NAB AFL Draft: Corey Ellis (pick No.12), Connor Menadue (33), Nathan Drummond (52), Dan Butler (67), Reece McKenzie (77)
2015 AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts: Jayden Short (11), Jason Castagna (29), Kane Lambert (46), Matthew Arnot (61), Ivan Soldo (68)
Rookie upgrades: Anthony Miles
Trade and free agency: Taylor Hunt
Biggest hit: Kane Lambert
Verdict: It was a tale of two drafts for the Tigers, absolutely nailing the rookie portion but struggling with their national picks, none of whom are still at the club. Richmond was coming off an eighth-place finish, winning nine in a row before crashing out in an elimination final against Port Adelaide, and had a serious need for speed. Lambert has become a genuine star of Richmond's line-up, with Short, Castagna and Soldo all playing important roles across the Tigers' recent two flags. Butler was a 2017 premiership player but struggled to hold his spot in 2019, while Ellis and Menadue never really forced themselves into the side for long stretches. Drummond played five AFL games but tore his ACL twice and key forward McKenzie (mental health) was a promising speculative pick but chose to retire after 18 months.
What the club said: "The coach was really keen to add some midfield depth to enable some players to play some different roles, and we feel we've addressed that. They're all a little bit different in their own right. We're delighted with the combination. We're generally really pleased with the outcome and look forward to these boys coming to Tigerland." – Francis Jackson, Richmond’s recruiting manager, after the national draft
Trade and draft period rating: 7/10
Rank: 4th
- Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-16/boom-or-bust-we-grade-your-clubs-2014-draft-and-trade-haul