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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MintOnLamb on December 09, 2014, 10:14:04 AM
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To all you RFC 'Gurus"
Is Francis Jackson our main list manager?
How long has he been doing it for?
How would you rate him as a list manager (team builder?)?
Are there better options out there?
If so who?
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)?
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment?
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
How active is Luke Williams in all of this? Is he being groomed to take over one day?
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How active is Luke Williams in all of this? Is he being groomed to take over one day?
Luke is just like the other two Recruiting Officers, no one is being groomed.
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'being groomed' has become such a compromised phrase these days, I often feel, myself.
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
Thanks for the info, mate. :thumbsup
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
mate for someone that knows nothing about RFC's recruiting you sure know a lot about RFC's recruiting
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'being groomed' has become such a compromised phrase these days, I often feel, myself.
Be careful not to overdo it.
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Great to see RFCO addressing footy issues. Keep it going, please!
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Ok so Blair Hartley is the main man?
If yes How long has he held the position for?
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
Who claims Angus hampson?
Or was that a group effort
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
Full time since 2009? Is that right? I thought it was longer than that?
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
Full time since 2009? Is that right? I thought it was longer than that?
I can double check. He's been part-time since I think 2004.
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Great to see RFCO addressing footy issues. Keep it going, please!
Addressing off-field issues, sure.
On-field...never. :lol
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Ok so Blair Hartley is the main man?
If yes How long has he held the position for?
Blair started with us late 2009.
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What are your thoughts on recruiting Shaun Hampson RFCO?
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list.
:gobdrop :gobdrop Blair? Really? Nah? Not possible
:rollin :rollin
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RFC_O, what is the best way to catch the sneaky little devil that lives in my fridge and turns the light on when I open the door?
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RFC_O, what is the best way to catch the sneaky little devil that lives in my fridge and turns the light on when I open the door?
With a nice juicy piece of sirloi....ah never mind....
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they are all rubbish, keep Williams and drop the rest off at the dingley tip with hammer hampson
2/3/4 round flops these blokes are made for.
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Cheers RFC o , pretty well how I see it too :clapping
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list.
:gobdrop :gobdrop Blair? Really? Nah? Not possible
:rollin :rollin
WP, you would know if FJ has been full time before 2009 wouldn't you?
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
RFC-O, do you want to leave that answer as 2009?
Richmond is the only club now in the market for a full-time recruiting manager for 2006, but the Tigers are believed likely to appoint lead scout Francis Jackson, who has worked closely with football director Greg Miller, to head up their recruiting.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/11/29/1133026468895.html
The AFL article was titled "Jackson to take on full-time tiger role".
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'being groomed' has become such a compromised phrase these days, I often feel, myself.
Are you saying that because "being groomed" has become so compromised that you often resort to feeling yourself instead?
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'being groomed' has become such a compromised phrase these days, I often feel, myself.
Are you saying that because "being groomed" has become so compromised that you often resort to feeling yourself instead?
Nothing wrong with a bit of 'party for one' after a tight grooming
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WP, you would know if FJ has been full time before 2009 wouldn't you?
Would I? Not sure why you'd say that.
but I've always thought it was around 2007
2009 doesn't seem right to me
And I do think Mr RFC_O answer highlights Good 'ole Blair has more say on the list than Francis Jackson does and that's always been one of my points about Blair and his influence ;D ;D
:rollin
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WP, you would know if FJ has been full time before 2009 wouldn't you?
Would I? Not sure why you'd say that.
but I've always thought it was around 2007
2009 doesn't seem right to me
And I do think Mr RFC_O answer highlights Good 'ole Blair has more say on the list than Francis Jackson does and that's always been one of my points about Blair and his influence ;D ;D
:rollin
It was just a question WP. That I though you may know the answer to. I think we both know the answer! No hidden agenda.
All I'll say is thank God FJ isn't in charge of the list, he has failed miserably at his current job.
Why would FJ be list manager if he is the recruiting manager?
Someone has to be in charge of the list, why not Blair?
Richo negotiates the contracts so he cannot do it?
Between DH and BH they should be in charge of the list. And they are by the sound of it.
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Richo negotiates the contracts so he cannot do it?
All contracts?
I believe Richo should do ALL contracts but I don't think he does.
Do you think he should do all the contracts?
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Richo negotiates the contracts so he cannot do it?
All contracts?
I believe Richo should do ALL contracts but I don't think he does.
Do you think he should do all the contracts?
Yes. But realistically there needs to be input from DH, BH and Richo to a small degree.
Richo has dealt with player contracts for a long time now from his time at ESP so he is definitely most qualified to deal with the legal side of things.
You didn't answer my question though, 'why not BH in charge of the list?'
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Richo has dealt with player contracts for a long time now from his time at ESP so he is definitely most qualified to deal with the legal side of things.
You didn't answer my question though, 'why not BH in charge of the list?'
Richo isnt doing all contracts and that concerns me
In answer to your question I don't rate Blair so no I wouldn't have him in charge of our list.
And before you ask.
I don't rate him because he has a lot of say in who we should re-contract, trade for our recruiting model and who we target as free agents. Actually believe he has his fingers in far too many pies
He is the person who recommended giving a 3 year extension to Grigg. Yes he was a good pick up at the time, he filled a need when he was bought to the club but now facts are he going to get any better so you have to ask why the extension?
People are critical of signing Chris Knights for 3 years under free agency. That was Blair decision not a Jackson one.
Hartley recommended we trade for Hampson, blind Freddie can see that was a very poor decision (and thats being kind). He also gave us Thomas.
You lamented during the FA period why we didn't go after a Frawley, suggest you ask Blair as he rates all the FAs....so...
As I've always said you want to whack Jackson for his recruiting selections then whack Blair as well because as Mr RFC_O pointed out Blair has a huge say in what sort of players we target because he is ultimately responsible for our list
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Richo has dealt with player contracts for a long time now from his time at ESP so he is definitely most qualified to deal with the legal side of things.
You didn't answer my question though, 'why not BH in charge of the list?'
Richo isnt doing all contracts and that concerns me
In answer to your question I don't rate Blair so no I wouldn't have him in charge of our list.
And before you ask.
I don't rate him because he has a lot of say in who we should re-contract, trade for our recruiting model and who we target as free agents. Actually believe he has his fingers in far too many pies
He is the person who recommended giving a 3 year extension to Grigg. Yes he was a good pick up at the time, he filled a need when he was bought to the club but now facts are he going to get any better so you have to ask why the extension?
People are critical of signing Chris Knights for 3 years under free agency. That was Blair decision not a Jackson one.
Hartley recommended we trade for Hampson, blind Freddie can see that was a very poor decision (and thats being kind). He also gave us Thomas.
You lamented during the FA period why we didn't go after a Frawley, suggest you ask Blair as he rates all the FAs....so...
As I've always said you want to whack Jackson for his recruiting selections then whack Blair as well because as Mr RFC_O pointed out Blair has a huge say in what sort of players we target because he is ultimately responsible for our list
Can you prove Richo doesn't do all the contracts? I would hope you would have something to back up a statement like that.
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As I understand things, Blair Hartley is the List Manager and has been for a couple of years.
His title is General Manager of Player Personnel and List Management.
As such I think he is in charge of ALL player contracts since he has to juggle the salary cap to decide on free agents and contract offers (eg to Hunt, Cotchin, Rance and Martin currently).
That is to MANAGE the LIST and make decisions on PLAYER PERSONNEL.
Richardson is in overall charge of the football department and would be mostly concerned with directing and if necessary replacing staff - coaches, fitness, medical, recruiters.
Gale said something in one of his recent interviews that I found interesting and that was that the club was trying to improve it's ability internally.
From that I presume we will not be replacing any staff but improving our management of them to get better results.
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Jackson to take on full-time Tiger role
10:55:06 AM Fri 24 February, 2006
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Former Richmond and Swans defender Francis Jackson has been appointed the Tigers’ full-time Recruiting Manager.
Jackson, 51, has spent the past 12 months assisting Richmond’s recruiting department on a part-time basis.
Richmond’s Director of Football Greg Miller explained that Jackson had made such an impression in 2005, the Club was keen to secure his permanent services.
‘The Club’s Board made a strategic decision in 2005 to go without a separate football recruiting division. I took on the role and received great support from a volunteer recruiting team, which Francis Jackson was part of,” he said.
“It was a great exercise for Francis to see how Richmond operated and to work closely with Terry Wallace and myself during the year.
“This gave Francis the confidence that he could now undertake a full-time role, and it gave Terry the confidence that he was a very astute football judge.”
Jackson played six senior games for Richmond from 1973-74, before being part of the famous trade deal for Swans’ star John Pitura in 1975. He went on to play 100 games for the Swans and earn a reputation as a tough, reliable backman.
“My relationship with Francis goes back to when he transferred over from Richmond to South Melbourne in ’75. I was one of the first blokes to meet him and we finished up becoming very good friends,” Miller said.
“An interesting part of Francis’ football career was in 1979 when he had a knee operation early on and missed the whole season. He was held in such high regard as an astute football person that Ian Stewart (the Swans’ senior coach at the time) immediately installed him as the club’s under 19s coach for the season.
“Francis had a further coaching stint with Sandringham in the VFA in 1987, and throughout my time in footy, he’s always been a good ally in the recruiting stakes.
“He worked very closely with me at the Kangaroos and, more recently, with Neville Stibbard at the Kangaroos.
“When I arrived at Richmond, I didn’t feel it was appropriate to bring him across straight away, but given the opportunity of a full-time role, we decided to get him across 12 months early (in 2005), to see how he liked the Tigers again – and how the Tigers liked him.
“And, it’s been an excellent relationship so far. He was instrumental with our draft choices last year and he now heads up the recruiting department.”
Jackson will officially start duties at Punt Road on April 1 after finishing the first school term of 2006 at Brighton Grammar, where he’s been heavily involved for many years as sports master and coach of their first-18 football team.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=247509 (http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=247509)
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Can you prove Richo doesn't do all the contracts? I would hope you would have something to back up a statement like that.
Yes
And pre-empting your next question - No
And BTW
RedanTiger has summed it very well indeed :clapping
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Can you prove Richo doesn't do all the contracts? I would hope you would have something to back up a statement like that.
Yes
And pre-empting your next question - No
And BTW
RedanTiger has summed it very well indeed :clapping
mmm dunno, someone at the AGM tonight asked about Rance & martin contracts, Gale replied that Richardson was working on it
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mmm dunno, someone at the AGM tonight asked about Rance & martin contracts, Gale replied that Richardson was working on it
All I said originally was Richardson doesn't do ALL contracts
He does the biggies but not all the smaller ones
Redan's summary of Blair's role is pretty much spot on
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mmm dunno, someone at the AGM tonight asked about Rance & martin contracts, Gale replied that Richardson was working on it
All I said originally was Richardson doesn't do ALL contracts
He does the biggies but not all the smaller ones
Redan's summary of Blair's role is pretty much spot on
No it's not. Not even close. Richardson does all contract from what I have been told. Even the small ones.
And before you ask, no.
Think your mail might be a bit stale.
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Is Francis Jackson our main list manager? No, Blair Hartley is ultimately responsible for the list. He, Dan Richo, Dimma and Francis discuss the make up of the list they want to achieve, it's then up to Blair and Francis to help get those players to the club.
How long has he been doing it for? He's been full-time since 2009.
Is he in charge of the face to face recruiting (the lounge room sell)? He goes along with our other recruiters, Dimma, Blair, maybe some players. Each recruit would be a different sell.
Would he and Dimma discuss all options prior to recruitment? Absolutely, Dimma explains the game plan he wants to use and the gaps he sees in the list, and Francis and his team is charged with getting those players in the draft. The data the recruiters collect on these players since they are 16, 17 then flows through to Blair's system to be used as trade/free agency potential options.
Full time since 2009? Is that right? I thought it was longer than that?
I can double check. He's been part-time since I think 2004.
Did you check?
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No it's not. Not even close. Richardson does all contract from what I have been told. Even the small ones.
And before you ask, no.
Think your mail might be a bit stale.
Not going to ask anything
And no my mail is as fresh a daisy actually
Very comfortable with what I know/been told, extremely!
Just as I am sure you are
So we might as well leave it at that.
Agree to disagree
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I'd like to hear Bojo's mail as a tiebreaker. :shh
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No it's not. Not even close. Richardson does all contract from what I have been told. Even the small ones.
And before you ask, no.
Think your mail might be a bit stale.
Not going to ask anything
And no my mail is as fresh a daisy actually
Very comfortable with what I know/been told, extremely!
Just as I am sure you are
So we might as well leave it at that.
Agree to disagree
So let's get this straight, we headhut a player manager out of a company he has shares in, who has dealt with player contracts from a player manager side for many years, to employ him in a position that he has never done before and that's list management...
Are you sure he wasn't employed to do the very thing he was doing at ESP, only on club side of things?
Now I'm not saying nobody else has a say in player contracts at the club but Dan's name is on every contract and it's been that way since he walked in the door.
Next we will be employing Paul Roos to be our accountant. :thumbsup
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So let's get this straight, we headhut a player manager out of a company he has shares in, who has dealt with player contracts from a player manager side for many years, to employ him in a position that he has never done before and that's list management...
Are you sure he wasn't employed to do the very thing he was doing at ESP, only on club side of things?
Now I'm not saying nobody else has a say in player contracts at the club but Dan's name is on every contract and it's been that way since he walked in the door.
Next we will be employing Paul Roos to be our accountant. :thumbsup
Funny I thought Dan's job was head of the footy dept. You know the bloke who runs and oversees all areas of the footy dept. last time I checked that was his job. Actually I am sure that is how he explained it at pre-match function earlier this year, player contracts were only a part of his role. You'd hope the man himself would know
His name and sig maybe on every contract but he doesn't mean he negotiates every contract. That's been my point all along and still is. And I base that view on what I've been reliably told.
As I said: agree to disagree
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Jackson to take on full-time Tiger role
10:55:06 AM Fri 24 February, 2006
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Former Richmond and Swans defender Francis Jackson has been appointed the Tigers’ full-time Recruiting Manager.
Jackson, 51, has spent the past 12 months assisting Richmond’s recruiting department on a part-time basis.
Richmond’s Director of Football Greg Miller explained that Jackson had made such an impression in 2005, the Club was keen to secure his permanent services.
it’s been an excellent relationship so far. He was instrumental with our draft choices last year and he now heads up the recruiting department.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=247509 (http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=247509)
Those draft choices were Jon, Hughes and Casserley and he was instrumental. Rather Richmond like id say, appointing a bloke on the back of one at the time iffy draft and what has now become an utter failure.
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God, I hated Hughes
Big girls blouse
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God, I hated Hughes
Big girls blouse
Good ol' Clean Knees.
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God, I hated Hughes
Big girls blouse
Good ol' Clean Knees.
Cut an impressive sight on the training paddock
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So let's get this straight, we headhut a player manager out of a company he has shares in, who has dealt with player contracts from a player manager side for many years, to employ him in a position that he has never done before and that's list management...
Are you sure he wasn't employed to do the very thing he was doing at ESP, only on club side of things?
Now I'm not saying nobody else has a say in player contracts at the club but Dan's name is on every contract and it's been that way since he walked in the door.
Next we will be employing Paul Roos to be our accountant. :thumbsup
Funny I thought Dan's job was head of the footy dept. You know the bloke who runs and oversees all areas of the footy dept. last time I checked that was his job. Actually I am sure that is how he explained it at pre-match function earlier this year, player contracts were only a part of his role. You'd hope the man himself would know
His name and sig maybe on every contract but he doesn't mean he negotiates every contract. That's been my point all along and still is. And I base that view on what I've been reliably told.
As I said: agree to disagree
Agree to disagree :thumbsup
What do people think FJ would be on at Richmond? ($) Interested to hear what people think..
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Has anyone else fully absorbed the fact FJ was endorsed after his stellar work in the 2005 draft?
Someone please help us.
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Has anyone else fully absorbed the fact FJ was endorsed after his stellar work in the 2005 draft?
Someone please help us.
yep just go back one page.
i keep on telling people we cant blame miller for jon he was a jackson pick, the defenders for what ever reason have just gotta defend.
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yep just go back one page.
i keep on telling people we cant blame miller for jon he was a jackson pick, the defenders for what ever reason have just gotta defend.
Just to be clear your view based on what you were told is that he was a Jackson pick. And you rightly trust those who told you that
But...
I will defend him on this because Jon was not a Jackson pick, that view comes from what I've been told by 3 separate people who I trust.
So it isn't about defending for the sake of defending. It's about backing people I trust and their collective word. Massive difference, massive
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yep just go back one page.
i keep on telling people we cant blame miller for jon he was a jackson pick, the defenders for what ever reason have just gotta defend.
Just to be clear your view based on what you were told is that he was a Jackson pick. And you rightly trust those who told you that
But...
I will defend him on this because Jon was not a Jackson pick, that view comes from what I've been told by 3 separate people who I trust.
So it isn't about defending for the sake of defending. It's about backing people I trust and their collective word. Massive difference, massive
oh im very clear jon was a jackson pick. but the buck stopped with miller.
as i said you cant get better than a person on the actual draft table to let you know what went on. not sure about your contacts but id back that in every day of the week.
when miller says jackson was instrumental in our draft choices, i take it hes to be ignored. just lying.
as i said once before, this absolving jackson of any sort of blame for the 2005 draft is absolute nonsense. both are guilty and both need to share the blame. ffs jackson got a full time gig on the back of his work in the 2005 draft.
you know miller had a good excuse for getting things wrong he was doing 20000 different jobs and couldnt even get to look at juniors, whats jacksons excuse for consistently getting it wrong.
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oh im very clear jon was a jackson pick. but the buck stopped with miller.
as i said you cant get better than a person on the actual draft table to let you know what went on. not sure about your contacts but id back that in every day of the week.
And I will back the 3 people who told me about it every day of the week as well. Super reliable in so many ways ;D
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I'm still confused to as who is right and who is wrong
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Its seems one must be talkin' the schizen
Wp is in fairyfloss land whereas claw is a unique kettle of ffish
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yep just go back one page.
i keep on telling people we cant blame miller for jon he was a jackson pick, the defenders for what ever reason have just gotta defend.
Just to be clear your view based on what you were told is that he was a Jackson pick. And you rightly trust those who told you that
But...
I will defend him on this because Jon was not a Jackson pick, that view comes from what I've been told by 3 separate people who I trust.
So it isn't about defending for the sake of defending. It's about backing people I trust and their collective word. Massive difference, massive
oh im very clear jon was a jackson pick. but the buck stopped with miller.
as i said you cant get better than a person on the actual draft table to let you know what went on. not sure about your contacts but id back that in every day of the week.
when miller says jackson was instrumental in our draft choices, i take it hes to be ignored. just lying.
as i said once before, this absolving jackson of any sort of blame for the 2005 draft is absolute nonsense. both are guilty and both need to share the blame. ffs jackson got a full time gig on the back of his work in the 2005 draft.
you know miller had a good excuse for getting things wrong he was doing 20000 different jobs and couldnt even get to look at juniors, whats jacksons excuse for consistently getting it wrong.
Our trusty RFC insider thinks he was only full time in 2009. Stop blaming poor old FJ. :lol
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full time since 2009. no worries.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/joke-is-now-on-opponents-as-richmond-transform-laughable-recruiting-record-into-enviable-one/story-e6frf3e3-1226648176368
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-change-of-recruiting-philosophy-drives-change-of-fortunes-at-punt-rd/story-fni5f9jb-1226782710641
2005/2006 is how i always remembered it and part time before. He learnt from the best in Miller no wonder he is that good at his job.
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oh im very clear jon was a jackson pick. but the buck stopped with miller.
as i said you cant get better than a person on the actual draft table to let you know what went on. not sure about your contacts but id back that in every day of the week.
And I will back the 3 people who told me about it every day of the week as well. Super reliable in so many ways ;D
Pleased you a few times Willy?
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full time since 2009. no worries.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/joke-is-now-on-opponents-as-richmond-transform-laughable-recruiting-record-into-enviable-one/story-e6frf3e3-1226648176368
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-change-of-recruiting-philosophy-drives-change-of-fortunes-at-punt-rd/story-fni5f9jb-1226782710641
2005/2006 is how i always remembered it and part time before. He learnt from the best in Miller no wonder he is that good at his job.
both articles full of spin and hype.
how anyone can call
vickery pick 8. 6 yrs in, a success gotta be kidding. i suppose one barely decent yr in 6 makes him a success.
jon pick 8 05 utter failure.
griffiths pick 19 09 5yrs in. hes been ordinary.even his best yr this yr was average at best.young tall it may be hes just taking a bit of time to get there but no way you can call him a success.
conca pick 6 2010. four yrs in and fair dinkum he looks nothing more than average at pick 6 ffs. almost a failed pick when you consider what was overlooked.
ellis pick 15 hes a very good uncontested player but lousy when it comes to the other side of things.
vlastuin pick 9 i like him a lot but ffs hes coming off the 2nd yr blues.how any one can call him a success is beyond me.may be we wait until he actually proves himself.
lennon pick 12 too early has skill but has weaknesses that are a concern. surely they arent claiming him a success just yet.
just how good has his jacksons first round picks been.imo no where near as good as the club and the journos make out certainly not the above ones anyway.
fair dinkum the only two picks im prepard to give him any credit for are riewoldt at 13 and rance at 18.
he couldnt get cotchin and martin wrong at 2 and 3.at least with these two he had enough sense to take what certainly appeared to be the best players available at these picks.
why does the club thru the media always have to put the best possible spin on things. ffs jacksons record is not good so why dont they just shut up rather than try and con us supporters all the time.
it concerns me that rather than see a problem, and there is a big problem, they defend what they shouldnt thru the media. it almost head in sand stuff.
yes francis is better than the last bloke we had but hes way short of what we need.you only need look at his overall record over the last 10 yrs.
10 yrs and the best we have become is a middling team.
the above is reasonable. it is nothing great like it being reported. surely we are looking to do better.excellence is what we are after here not just okay.
couple the above with the rest of his nd picks 2nd 3rd 4th rounds etc, his rookie picks and imo its a fail.
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Interesting, who's the best recruiter ever and have they picked anyone who wasnt considered successful , how does there record compare against Sir Francis Jackson ?
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All very insightful. So why don't we identify the most skillful list manager out there and throw them a big wad of sweaty $ to come to RFC and start building a real list? Plus i'm picking that would be outside any salary cap And it is an area we really need to address.
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Interesting, who's the best recruiter ever and have they picked anyone who wasnt considered successful , how does there record compare against Sir Francis Jackson ?
A very good question, and one i would be interested in seeing the answer to.
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Interesting, who's the best recruiter ever and have they picked anyone who wasnt considered successful , how does there record compare against Sir Francis Jackson ?
IMO Kinnear Beatson has been in the last 20 years. Someone might be able to name another but il take this blokes record over any other. Rampe, Jack, Hannebury to name a few. What was it 10 rookies to play in last years GF. Meanwhile we are tossing ourselves at the prospect of getting pick 5 instead of pick 9.
5 flags in 20 years whilst he was recruiting manager shows he knows what it takes to build a list with late picks.
Anyone compares against FJ lets be honest. His record is deplorable.
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at collingwood they would have what 20 odd players nearly all kids taken from the 4th rnd onwards.
swan, toovey,josh thomas, witts, sinclair,frost,seedsman,oxley, marsh,langdon macafer,keefe, goldsack, dwyer and blair.all on their list now. plus 5 or 6 new rookies.jack crisp was a 1 yr rookie at brisbane they accepted him as part of the beams trade.being a trade he doesnt really count.
lamumba, maxwell, clarke, wellingham were recently there.and god knows how many others over the last 10 yrs. the reward for their investment is good id say.
8 of the above played in a premiership.
atm we have 6 on the rookie list, only short, castagna, and soldo are kids. lambert looks a decent mature rookie as does thomas. the other rookie is arnot who we originally took with a third rounder.
4th rnd onwards
butler, grimes, lloyd, mckenzie, miles, petterd a mature pick. 10 yrs and this is fjs current return.
foley and newman were there before fj came.
jake king and nahas oh white are the only players taken 4th rnd onwards who have gone that i can think of who gave some sort of reasonable service since fj has been there.
for me what damns him is his record with 2nd and 3rd rounders add that to the above and i just cant see how anyone could defend his record.
i realise collingwoods record is probably one of the better ones in this but it does highlight how far off we have been. we just have to get on a level footing with other clubs and that clearly means we need massive improvement in these areas.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
the only conclusion for him still being there that i can come to is if we do reviews on all personell he isnt part of the process. its that or those whose job it is to make sure the footy dept meets its requirements dont know what they are doing or they have the bar set very low and are content.
maybe its as simple as, they have talked fj up over the yrs and now cant be seen to be wrong. who knows what they think.
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People on the review comittee don't get reviewed :shh
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People on the review comittee don't get reviewed :shh
that would explain a lot.
for a recruiter there arent that many kpis to judge by i wouldnt have thought.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
early days but McKintosh sure looks good.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
early days but McKintosh sure looks good.
and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.
the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.
10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
early days but McKintosh sure looks good.
and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.
the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.
10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.
He really need to be put under the microscope, is he immune from performance reviews??
If he was working in a real job for a company where performance is reviewed he would have been sacked 6 years ago OR the company would be bankrupt OR their share price would have gone from $100.00 to .001 cents
In my mind he is the biggest dud of the lot and as I said it earlier in this thread, find the best list manager, get him plenty of $, hire his ass and fire Jackson.
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well then why the hell is he still in a job claw after all these years. Anyone who had Miller as a mentor should have been shown the door years ago
Rance is by far his biggest achievement and contrary to what many believe on here i still rate Ellis, but beyond that i struggle to find many more success stories.
early days but McKintosh sure looks good.
and thats the problem. kamdyn if he makes it will be just the second 2nd rnd pick that has made it in 10 yrs of francis jackson. asbury and griffiths are two more we may be able to add to the list. its a lousy record over all though.
the longer it goes some more of the first rounders are looking shakier and shakier.
10 yrs of francis and what have we achieved.
He really need to be put under the microscope, is he immune from performance reviews??
If he was working in a real job for a company where performance is reviewed he would have been sacked 6 years ago OR the company would be bankrupt OR their share price would have gone from $100.00 to .001 cents
In my mind he is the biggest dud of the lot and as I said it earlier in this thread, find the best list manager, get him plenty of $, hire his ass and fire Jackson.
wouldnt call him a total dud.
look if the job was just the first rnd even i would give him a 7 out of 10 especially if lennon and ellis become good players.gotta give some credit where its due.
while i have some issues with some of his first rnd picks, most have got us it seems, good at the least long term players. but to me this is how it should be, hes done nothing that really should not be expected.most clubs have stuffed the odd first rnd pick up the last 10 yrs.
hes had 11 first rounders in 10 yrs imo it goes.
3 failures
5 definate winners
3 too early to call.one is close to a definate.
the picks are made up of
6 top 10 picks 2, 3, 6, 8,8,9.
4 top 15 picks 12,12, 13, 15.
1 top 20 pick. 18.
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That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?
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That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?
rookie pick. dunno if you looked at all the posts but i did a list of players collingwood have taken 4th rnd onwards on this thread its pretty decent.
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That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?
Age: 22yr 5mth Games: 4 Born: November 1, 1992
Height: 192cm Weight: 78kg Position: Defender
Last Drafted: Round 7, Pick #92 2013 National Draft
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That Oxley from collingwood is a gun. What pick was he?
Age: 22yr 5mth Games: 4 Born: November 1, 1992
Height: 192cm Weight: 78kg Position: Defender
Last Drafted: Round 7, Pick #92 2013 National Draft
i have him as pick #35 2013 rookie draft.
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Looks good claw does oxley
That's the thing how many kids were playing last night for both times and how many have played for us
We need a change this monkeyball rubbish will scrape you into the finals at best
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Looks good claw does oxley
That's the thing how many kids were playing last night for both times and how many have played for us
We need a change this monkeyball rubbish will scrape you into the finals at best
to me its all about striking the right balance. any side needs it fair share of experienced players going around.footy clubs and teams constantly lose their way with out enough senior players to lead the way.
same for money ball. nothing wrong in targeting players from other clubs and older players but the kids still have to be in the majority. target good proven players in f/a target a list need.
some clubs only target proven players regardless of age. ess cooney 28, goddard 28? chapman 30.
draft for quality trade for needs. ones a long term solution ones a short med term solution. trade for say a quality ruckman we are already in that boat again, get the older player but make damn sure you have a few good ones coming thru the ranks from the draft. we cant say that we havent been able to say it ever.
to me our trouble is we have taken too many gap fillers and we play too many of em. we make the problem worse by not drafting with good picks similar types.and when we do draft similar types instead of biting the bullet taking a little pain we dont play or persevere with those nd picks.
its really exacerbated when its clear blokes are performing poorly and are at their ceiling. its really frustrating when the team is so deficient in lots of key areas that we really need to be better in.
a good footy club would atm be saying. we cant make top 4 we may struggle to make the 8. we are weak here here and here we need to find better players we need to see what some of the kids have got.
as a club we have to dare i say it draw a line in the sand. set the bar when older players fall under the bar play a kid who may not reach the standard right now but shows good signs and has the attributes to make it.
as a club we have failed to do this. we stopped doing it 3 yrs ago.
on oxley its typical collingwood. they have shown a constant ability to find decent players out side of the early rounds of the draft.
atm we are too reliant on mainly the first round to build our list simply put to gain ground we have to play money ball. we have to be much better with our recruiting across the board.
imo there cant be enough emphasis placed on recruiting if we had a spare million id put it into this area.and if thats not enough more we need to become one of the best in this.