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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: tony_montana on December 15, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/a-man-is-holding-several-people-hostage-at-martin-place-cafe/story-fni0xqrb-1227156241649
Islamic flag flying in the window.
Hostages pressed against the windows.
This is frightening, I hope they're not going to do what I think they're going to do..
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:sleep
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So that makes it ok does it?
You have a twisted view on things JR
edit: why did you delete your post?
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Not OK but they have no channels in which to protest as we are the dominating player
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Thats not true Bents, there are other alternatives to protest
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The truth always comes out in the end, especially in this day and age of social media and a tech savvy populace where it is almost imposible to do the cover ups that used to be the norm from gvt's up to 15-20 years ago.
If they protest in a civilised way, get the msg and facts out there they'd be stunned at how quickly they garner support
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Lol OK mate
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The truth always comes out in the end, especially in this day and age of social media and a tech savvy populace where it is almost imposible to do the cover ups that used to be the norm from gvt's up to 15-20 years ago.
If they protest in a civilised way, get the msg and facts out there they'd be stunned at how quickly they garner support
You are so far from the mark, IMHO.
Israel, for example has shyteloads of people employed just to spread social media disinformation, lies, half truths, general Orwellian stylez propaganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force ( ;D )
it is interesting. the information wars are now more complicated due to social media its very much grey. censorship of the internet will play a key role, not that anyone seems too worried.
What's the saying- truth is the first victim in war?
How how is the war on terror? Oh yeah. Forever
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Laugh if you like, but take the afl as an example. They used to pull the wool over the eyes of all the dummy supporters, but the last several years has seen them caught out time and time again in their lies. It's the way the world is heading and abt friggen time, people are starting to wake up and don't take everything as gospel.
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The truth always comes out in the end, especially in this day and age of social media and a tech savvy populace where it is almost imposible to do the cover ups that used to be the norm from gvt's up to 15-20 years ago.
If they protest in a civilised way, get the msg and facts out there they'd be stunned at how quickly they garner support
You are so far from the mark
Israel for example has 1000 of people employed just yo spread social media and propERGANDA
Jif - they are called
Disinformation is comments.
What's the saying- truth is the first victims in war? How how is thebwar on terror? Oh yeah. Forever
Yeah they do, they are the masters of propaganda - but is it really working?
Ask the average punter what they really think of the jews...
Most people have filters and have a pretty good handle on what is tripe and whats not.
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I wish you were right but I see it almost the opposite - The hearld sun is gospel - Muslims are evil - Baaaaaaaaa baaaaa - stop the boat - kill the fish
The truth always comes out in the end, especially in this day and age of social media and a tech savvy populace where it is almost imposible to do the cover ups that used to be the norm from gvt's up to 15-20 years ago.
If they protest in a civilised way, get the msg and facts out there they'd be stunned at how quickly they garner support
You are so far from the mark
Israel for example has 1000 of people employed just yo spread social media and propERGANDA
Jif - they are called
Disinformation is comments.
What's the saying- truth is the first victims in war? How how is thebwar on terror? Oh yeah. Forever
Yeah they do, they are the masters of propaganda - but is it really working?
Ask the average punter what they really think of the jews...
Its is mate
Arab bad
Western good
Come on mate ...
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I concur, It was very much that in the past, but that's not the case in my circle of friends and never has been. You'd be surprised at how much sympathy there is for the Arab people in the mid-east. The problem is when they start doing poo like this and beheading people in public(see London) they lose goodwill.
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BTW its widly reported by he best experts the famous Isis beheadig videos are fake. Funny that didn't make the news
ummm because its not proven true
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Very concerning. I wonder what this is all about?
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So that makes it ok does it?
You have a twisted view on things JR
edit: why did you delete your post?
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i thought i would get banned and i like the fourm
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asio scare me :-\
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Just to be clear this guy / guys is probably and hole and I probably hope he gets shot in the guts. And I do hope everyone is safe. However in the wider context of things that's where the fear is... Not many people want to worry about it, cause its dam scary....You have about as much chance dying in an assault from a battalion of disenfranchised Dodos as what you do in a 'terrorist' attack, statistically.
Quote from: Chuck17 on Today at 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: Judge Roughneck on Today at 11:45:05 AM
BTW its widly reported by he best experts the famous Isis beheadig videos are fake. Funny that didn't make the news
ummm because its not proven true
- http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/18998-experts-doubt-authenticity-of-foley-beheading-video
- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781864/Author-Naomi-Wolf-condemned-suggesting-videos-hostages-beheaded-ISIS-aren-t-real.html
- http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-isis-beheading-that-never-was-the-peter-kassig-killing-and-western-war-propaganda/5414947
Quote from: tony_montana on Today at 11:42:50 AM
I concur, It was very much that in the past, but that's not the case in my circle of friends and never has been. You'd be surprised at how much sympathy there is for the Arab people in the mid-east. The problem is when they start doing poo like this and beheading people in public(see London) they lose goodwill
when one bomb (aust? Seppo? IDF?) kills one kid and mum in some god forsaken sandy poo hole not one person could give a poo (more or less, of course). Remember a white life is worth more han a brown one ;)
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/al-qaeda-whistleblower-isis-and-al.html <<<---- "AQ/isis work for cia..."
(http://blog.swingrover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2irm5gz.jpg)
(http://i1.wp.com/www.intifada-palestine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Johnny-2.jpg)
http://www.dailycensored.com/isis-and-the-false-flag-frame-up/?utm_source=projectcensored&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=projectcensored
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/06/ex-al-qaeda-member-nabil-naim-the-syrian-lie-al-nusra-is-is-a-cia-operative-2529696.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39745.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40417.htm
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Sunrise Cash Cow has finally gone postal.
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Judge that analogy pretty much passes onto anyone who is considered to be irrelevant in life. Like the guy who dies of exposure from living on the streets of Sydney or the man who commits suicide due to the pressures of severe financial issues or even when you or I leave this world, the only people who will give a stuff will be close family and friends. It won't make the news.
So for you to say its white v brown is way off the mark.
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30,000 kids die p/day from preventable cause, doesn't make news. (source United Nations Website)
Arab dies unjustly in say, Palestine, doesn't make news
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arab kills some aussies (?) in sydney choclate shop big news
jew dies unjustly in say, isreal big news
when you or I leave this world, the only people who will give a stuff will be close family and friends. It won't make the news
I agree my friend but it does seem some things that make news follow a certain patten of sorts
like a cute animal reproducing at the zoo. or a certain type of person killing another person in a certain way. even if, statistically, its an aberration to the norm.
im not whinging, just pointing it out, sorry. :-[
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Judge Leftsack proving his "point" with clearly photoshopped pictures. Funny poo.
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Quote from: Chuck17 on Today at 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: Judge Roughneck on Today at 11:45:05 AM
BTW its widly reported by he best experts the famous Isis beheadig videos are fake. Funny that didn't make the news
ummm because its not proven true
- http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/18998-experts-doubt-authenticity-of-foley-beheading-video
- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781864/Author-Naomi-Wolf-condemned-suggesting-videos-hostages-beheaded-ISIS-aren-t-real.html
- http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-isis-beheading-that-never-was-the-peter-kassig-killing-and-western-war-propaganda/5414947
So
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OK my bad
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Judge - bags people for believing everything they read in the media - believes everything he reads on the internet.
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No buddy just its food for thought iinnit
Make a refreshing change from the script
I do believe the united nations webstie , a rare exception
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Judge the pattern is simple. If enough people care or identify with somebody, the higher the likelihood of widespread empathy.
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Yeah so white life > brown I get it bro :gotigers
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No buddy just its food for thought iinnit
Make a refreshing change from the script
We can all go google websites and "data" that back up our opinions and world view. Big deal.
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But the shedloads of children dying daily unnecessary is not world view nor subjective, but rather fact, hence the machine is broken somewhere along the line? But don't worry the kardsians have a double episode tonight
'World view' only matters in regards to much people GAF? unless one has some kind of extremist right wing philosophy where as the world is overpopulated, and death of the poor is indeed good. A view I am sure is quite wide spreas. Yet evil
And yet the flag with some arabic in the chocolate shop stops the world ...
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Imagine the media and public response if it was Kim Kardashian holding up the flag in the lindt shop.........
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Well she's Armenian
And they are terrorist. My turkish mate akmhed told me
So ...
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Armenian's are also brilliant Jewelers. :thumbsup
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I thought this was about hostages in Sydney :help
Thoughts with the families
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I thought this was about hostages in Sydney :help
Thoughts with the families
No it's about another opportunity for Judge to post links to crackpot websites and engage in some leftist grandstanding, moral equivalence and pull out the trusty old race card.
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I thought this was about hostages in Sydney :help
Thoughts with the families
Ditto
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I do believe the united nations webstie , a rare exception
lol really? UN is just a puppet. Remember climate gate?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5deTABITkDs&feature=youtu.be
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Australia is big
AAnd it is the same place
Hmmm
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Media coverage is are about. But, 2:wrongs don't make a right.
Anyhoot, speaking of numbers what's the chances of the terrorist leaving the building alive? 10%?
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When you think about it, its quite the coincidence
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Media coverage is are about. But, 2:wrongs don't make a right.
Anyhoot, speaking of numbers what's the chances of the terrorist leaving the building alive? 10%?
Well the counter terrorism team did training for this, in this place, a year ago according to youtube.
So, with that ccoincidence in mind, I would say greater odds that woouldnofnither wise have been.
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I do believe the united nations webstie , a rare exception
lol really? UN is just a puppet. Remember climate gate?
Yeah I'm not saying it gospel but It has more authority than hearldsun.com as an example..
Kind of like how an astronaut would have more authority in regards to what he sees when he looks outside hisbsoaceship window, than what Dwayne reckons.
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the gvt contrived it all just so they can pass more terror laws
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If you want to be a juvenile and keep taking swipes Guido, at least spell my name right.
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I thought it was all about boosting up Abbots approval ratings
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the gvt contrived it all just so they can pass more terror laws
Omg 9/11 u mean? Holy crap
JFK?
God dam specify man
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the gvt contrived it all just so they can pass more terror laws
Omg 9/11 u mean? Holy crap
JFK?
God dam specify man
Nah the kid that stabbed the cop in the face in Melbourne a few months back(the reason you have misrepresented me in your signature, remember?) and now this - its all a conspiracy by the abbot gvt to pass terror laws isn't it?
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Judge is clearly behind it all - wants Abbott to intern all Muslims so Hardwick will finally have to play a kid in front of Houli.
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the gvt contrived it all just so they can pass more terror laws
Omg 9/11 u mean? Holy crap
JFK?
God dam specify man
Nah the kid that stabbed the cop in the face in Melbourne a few months back(the reason you have misrepresented me in your signature, remember?) and now this - its all a conspiracy by the abbot gvt to pass terror laws isn't it?
Sort of.
I get it confused with the aboriginal gentleman that cooked to death in the back of the divvy van. And the asian feller that died slowly, asking for help, outside dandy cop shop
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the gvt contrived it all just so they can pass more terror laws
Omg 9/11 u mean? Holy crap
JFK?
God dam specify man
Nah the kid that stabbed the cop in the face in Melbourne a few months back(the reason you have misrepresented me in your signature, remember?) and now this - its all a conspiracy by the abbot gvt to pass terror laws isn't it?
Sort of.
I get it confused with the aboriginal gentleman that cooked to death in the back of the divvy van. And the asian feller that died slowly, asking for help, outside dandy cop shop
yer we get it - If innocents unfortunately lose their lives, its ok to kill more innocents in retaliation to get a point across - an eye for an eye
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Typical comments from the usual suspects. All we need is albert to rear his ugly head and we have ourselves a full house.
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People drinking suds on the side streets. stuff we are a nanny state at times
WHO stuffin CARES
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If it is only one cat holding them why haven't the old bill just popped him so they can all head to the pub?
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The gunman is a known criminal allegedly out on bail for accessory to murder according to the latest news reports. His name is Man Haron Monis, a 'self appointed' Sheikh from Iran who lives in Sydney. He has a history of past crime including multiple sexual and physical assault.
https://twitter.com/SaraJamesAus
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Ch 7 reporting 2 dead and 3 seriously injured. If right then at least one of the poor hostages is dead :(.
Sadly, it looks like the gunman finally snapped after 17 hours when 7 hostages successfully made a run for it at 2am. Suddenly, there was a heap of gunfire and the cops went in when they heard a hostage still inside was down. They used high-powered rifles and stun bombs. As the cops went in, they dragged a body out and started doing CPR on the person. Ch 7 then cut from the live vision. No word yet on the gunman. The police rescue is still apparently checking the building and presumably the gunman's body for explosives.
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Reports two hostages are dead :(. The nutjob gunman is also confirmed dead.
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2 Innocent hostages dead, a man and a woman. May they rest in peace and their families somehow find the strength to get through this.
The 3rd dead is the gunman, the self confessed "Sheik" who was indeed on bail for being an accessory to the murder of his ex wife who was set on fire. This was just reported by David Richardson on Ch7 news just a few minutes ago.
So tragic and so very sad my thoughts are with the innocent victims including those hostages who survived but have to live with this nightmare for the rest of their lives
Hopefully some on here can refrain from their usual conspiracy nonsense on this thread and show some respect and compassion for the dead and their families
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Terrible outcome. The world is less one germ but unfortunately at the cost of others who had done nothing wrong.
Were you watching Sunrise, WP? I had it on while getting reqdy for work and listening to the reporter who was with the sniper who watched it unfold. Would have been terrifying for those inside and their bravery should be noted.
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More innocents taken in retribution. This is so stuffed. Now let's go back to seeing hashtags and stuff crusades about making sure Muslim people aren't vilified bc of this incident, that's the biggest issue.
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That's just terrible. Worst outcome possible. I was hoping he would just neck himself
Judge take your poo elsewhere mate. I think you have a few mates who agree with you too who are being silent. Just leave set up camp in Iran or something
Their government will treat you much better
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SNIP :banghead :banghead
I will ask again please show some respect and compassion to those who have lost their lives and as importantly fellow posters as we all try to make sense of something that just doesn't make sense
Keep the conspiracy theories etc out of this thread. To continue to do so is nothing more than trolling and it wont tolerated
WP
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I'd really love to slap some sense into you. This thread is about the hostages not you!
stuff off!
RIP to the victims.
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I dont know how this will come across but I will say it. It really angers me how this person came into our country, has committed several crimes and was still walking the streets. We need to be tougher on people like this. He should have been thrown out long ago. It is a privilege to live in this country, not a right
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Not a good outcome, at least the nutcase who started it all is no longer walking the streets.
It's difficult sometimes to separate discussion on specific incidents like this from broader issues of, for example, terrorism, government and the media. I think what has happened has for example, been fascinating from a media perspective and the thinking from the control room.
Whether you agree with some of the statements made on this and other threads I guess depends on your world view. Some pretty wild statements but also some very narrow minded ones.
Anyways it's over now. Condolences to the families of the deceased.
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That's just terrible. Worst outcome possible.
It's horrible.
Worst outcome was a suicide bombing, killing everyone and destroying the area at the same time.
At least he is dead. That can't be a bad thing.
RIP to the innocents that died and all the best to those that survived the ordeal.
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This nutjob harassed Jason Morrison when he was on 2GB for about 6 years. He was the one who sent disgusting letters to the parents of deceased Soldiers and was found guilty of this offence. He was on a charge of accessory to Murder, was on multiple rape charges and he still walks the streets free??? I hope the Judge who gave him bail can sleep well at night! >:(
Walking the streets when he should be locked up, just like that tosser who killed Jill Meagher. Our Legal system is stuffed. Hopefully this tragic event will be a watershed moment.
The Cafe Manager who lost his life was a Hero of the highest order. RIP to him and the young lass who were taken from this world way to early in life and condolences to their families.
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The guy is pure scum and it's a shame he was killed. Torture would have been fitting as it would for the person who killed those kids in Cairns
The laws are so pathetic in this country it really is. I know a couple from Singapore and they were telling me how scared people are to hurt steal or cause harm to others because of their legal system
That's how our country should aim to be, but instead a slap on the wrist is all most get unfortunately.
It's the worst thing about our country
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I agree Angus. The system this week couldn't even apply a life sentence to the Oakville cop killer up here because he was apparently suffering delusions.
Gimme a break. :banghead This softly softly approach to serious crime in this country makes me sick! :chuck
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serious questions need to be asked about our judiciary system when nutcases with a history like this bloke is out on bail, and i doubt too many people would disagree that there are many people who are not being taken off the streets for long enough for their crimes.
But this only keeps them off the streets, it does not deter their actions
Both these blokes were mental cases. the idea of being caught or the severity of their punishment does not even come into their thought processes. They are are beyond rational thinking.
As for wanting torture as a punishment, well that pretty much puts you in the same league as the mental cases. If you behave like them, then you are no better than them.
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She stabbed 8 kids who cares what happens to her
stuff ur an idiot
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I agree Angus. The system this week couldn't even apply a life sentence to the Oakville cop killer up here because he was apparently suffering delusions.
Gimme a break. :banghead This softly softly approach to serious crime in this country makes me sick! :chuck
That's exactly right Tiga. Does the government really care? I doubt it not enough jail cells hence why they try and rehabilitate these animals.
The pedos are the worst kind of predators who in my view don't deserve any type of second chance. Screw em. Yet they are the ones protected the most from the ones who lock em up
Scary that they could live in your street.
The system is completely stuffed
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She stabbed 8 kids who cares what happens to her
stuff ur an idiot
How does torturing her make any difference?
How can you claim any moral high ground, when you are just as stuffed in the head and want to behave in the same barbaric way?
What is becoming clearer and clearer daniel, is that there is not much difference between you and these type of people in the way you think, and I'm willing to bet you are incapable of answering these two questions in a rational manner.
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Let's not personalize it to that extent.
Our society is partly based on a belief of the ability to rehabilitate.
not that I agree in all cases especially pedos
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i have no doubt that there are many who cannot be rehabilitated, and there are people who by their actions forgo any right to be part of society.
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i have no doubt that there are many who cannot be rehabilitated, and there are people who by their actions forgo any right to be part of society.
So no torture but euthanasia then?
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To stab 8 kids, 7 of her own, she must have some serious, serious mental health issues going on.
Not sure any punishment will ever be worse than living in her own head.
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and an Australian serial Killer is born.
Imagine if she'd of been Muslim....
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let's put them in a nice jail cell albert with Foxtel and let them out in 20 yrs. :banghead hippie talk pal
Or in the case of my boss who lost his son to a one punch only for that guy to be released a year later and do it again. You ask him what he thinks about his sons killer getting treated the way they do.
A bullet to the head is exactly what they want. What they should get is to live in solitary for the rest of their days.
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once again you display a total inability to comprehend what is being said,yet in this thread you sunk to to the low depths of using these horrible events to take cheap shots at others and presuming what they would say, despite them saying nothing. not only does this highlight you as being stupid as as it gets, but also as a vile human being. address the questions i put forward rather that twist it into something totally irrelevant and i will reconsider that comment.
If you are incapable of comprehending what people are actually saying and discussing things in a rational matter then perhaps you should leave mature discussions to the grown ups and go back to playing with leggos, or torturing puppies, or whatever it is you do to occupy your little narrow focused underutilised brain.
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There it is
Tears again. Go hug a tree mate or find a woman
stuff u need it big time pal
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i have no doubt that there are many who cannot be rehabilitated, and there are people who by their actions forgo any right to be part of society.
So no torture but euthanasia then?
No comment
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The guy is pure scum and it's a shame he was killed. Torture would have been fitting as it would for the person who killed those kids in Cairns
The laws are so pathetic in this country it really is. I know a couple from Singapore and they were telling me how scared people are to hurt steal or cause harm to others because of their legal system
That's how our country should aim to be, but instead a slap on the wrist is all most get unfortunately.
It's the worst thing about our country
Singapore? Why stop there? The real goal should be a North Korea type society. Sure, its a pain to bow to the statue of the glorious leader several times a day; however the benefit is immense given how scared people are to hurt steal or cause harm to others because of their legal system.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02373/kimJongUn_2373388b.jpg)
once again you display a total inability to comprehend what is being said,yet in this thread you sunk to to the low depths of using these horrible events to take cheap shots at others and presuming what they would say, despite them saying nothing. not only does this highlight you as being stupid as as it gets, but also as a vile human being. address the questions i put forward rather that twist it into something totally irrelevant and i will reconsider that comment.
If you are incapable of comprehending what people are actually saying and discussing things in a rational matter then perhaps you should leave mature discussions to the grown ups and go back to playing with leggos, or torturing puppies, or whatever it is you do to occupy your little narrow focused underutilised brain.
Al you are being ridiculous i am afraid your position is untenable. Go hug a tree
The guy is pure scum and it's a shame he was killed. Torture would have been fitting as it would for the person who killed those kids in Cairns
The laws are so pathetic in this country it really is. I know a couple from Singapore and they were telling me how scared people are to hurt steal or cause harm to others because of their legal system
That's how our country should aim to be, but instead a slap on the wrist is all most get unfortunately.
It's the worst thing about our country
Yes! I agree again. :thumbsup I like you already.
We should be following other American brothers with torture to Muslims that do not display appropriate patriotism
Cheney himself acknowledged, was not on the list of approved techniques—the shoving of a “lunch plate” of pureed “hummus, pasta, sauce, nuts, and raisins” into the rectum of a man named Majid Khan. Cheney: “I believe it was done for medical reasons.”
The report found that there were no “medical reasons.” But Cheney, having just argued that anything officially sanctioned could not be torture, then seems to say that anything unsanctioned couldn’t be torture, either:
CHUCK TODD: But you acknowledge this was over and above…
idiot CHENEY: That was not something that was done as part of the interrogation program.
CHUCK TODD: But you won’t call it torture?
idiot CHENEY: It wasn’t torture in terms of it wasn’t part of the program.
Basically, in Cheney’s world, nothing Americans do can be called torture, because we are not Al Qaeda and we are not the Japanese in the Second World War (whom we prosecuted for waterboarding) and we are not ISIS. “The way we did it,” as he said of waterboarding, was not torture. In other words, it was not really the Justice Department that “blessed,” or rather transubstantiated, torture; it was our American-ness. Is there an argument that could degrade that American identity more?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/torture-idiot-cheney-minute
hummus up the bum with a knife to anyone that messes with our country!!
and an Australian serial Killer is born.
Imagine if she'd of been Muslim....
yep ...