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Title: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on February 12, 2015, 08:01:28 PM
Fantasy Face-off: Daniel Wells v Shane Edwards
Jennifer Phelan 
afl.com.au
February 12, 2015


THE NAB AFL Fantasy season is well underway. Our series of Fantasy Face-offs continues, pitting two similar players against each other to see which one should force their way into your squad.

Today, it’s two experienced midfielders – one with a tempting price tag after an injury-hit year and the other with valuable dual-position status. Who can offer the most bang for their buck at under $400,000?

DANIEL WELLS (NORTH MELBOURNE) SHANE EDWARDS (RICHMOND
Fantasy position MidfielderForward/midfielder
2015 starting price       $356,000       $397,000
Price change from start of 2014       -$94,000       +25,000
2014 average       69.1       70.1
2014 high score       113       95
Currently owned by (% of coaches)       4.86%       1.09%
Age       30       26
Key Fantasy statWells played less than 11 games last season for just the second time in his 12-year career. His class was on show late in the season when he returned, and he torched the Bombers for 28 disposals in the Elimination Final. Edwards is rated as one of four Tigers in the Champion Data "elite" bracket along with Brett Deledio, Jack Riewoldt and Alex Rance – ahead of the "above average" rated Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin. He was prolific around goals last year and ranked third at the Tigers for scoreboard impact, with 37 per cent of his 22 goals coming from the opportunistic positioning within 15m of the big sticks.
Value for moneyWells' injury-affected 2014 means the 222-game player is priced nicely. His average Fantasy points per game were down last year but this is a player who in the four years before that averaged 82, 93, 87 and 83 respectively.Not bad. Dual-position status adds to his value, as does his finish to last season where he played a key role rotating between the forward line and midfield. At 26, he's entering what should be his prime years and has proven to be a reliable scorer around the 70-point mark on average over the last five years.
Job securityWhen fit, he's easily in North's best 22. But after last season, you'd be forgiven for not being entirely confident with Wells' week-to-week availability.       No reason to think he'd be out of the Richmond team unless injured, after his fourth place finish in last year's best and fairest.
Where he'll play   Through the midfield, where he'll be looking to reignite the classy run-and-carry style that was affected before his long-term foot problem reached a crescendo last season. While he kicked more goals last year than in 2013, Edwards is slated for more time in the midfield this season after improving his contested ball output in 2014. However, he should still find a way to sneak forward for the occasional goal, with the Tigers liking their midfielders to contribute on the scoreboard as well as up the ground.
Injury concernsDiagnosed with a right foot injury after round five, Wells missed 14 games last year. He's been eased through the pre-season with a cautious approach but hasn't had any setbacks to date. Edwards has been pretty durable over the years and didn't miss a game in 2014. Isn't suffering from anything glaring heading into the season.
The case forWhen fit, Wells is a key cog in the Kangaroos' midfield. For a player of his age and skill, he's dirt cheap, with players nowhere near his experience including Mav Weller, Tomas Bugg, Mark Whiley and Elliot Yeo priced around him. He showed he can still contribute at a high level with an impressive finals series, and the fact he started his pre-season early with the Roos' Utah training camp in November shows he's more than optimistic about his chances of playing consistently this season.    Is poised to take his game to another level after turning his season around in round 15 last year. Edwards averaged career highs in Champion Data ranking points in 2014, including 27 score assists, which was the second most accumulated at the Tigers. He also contributed at the centre bounces, with the team producing a centre clearance differential of +11.3 per cent when he was at the coalface – the best rate of any of the Tigers' midfielders. You can also bounce him between your forward line and midfield, making him a versatile and somewhat underrated option.
The case against Tricky foot problems have the tendency to rear their heads time and time again – just ask Jack Trengove and Sam Gilbert. And, if Wells does stay fit, he showed last season he can struggle when tagged, with Mitch Wallis and Kane Cornes shutting him down early in the year. Can tend to go into his shell when the team isn't going well, which was demonstrated last season when the Tigers fell into their early season slump. Also may not replicate his goal-kicking feats of 2014 this season, given there's a suggestion he'll spend more time up the ground.

The verdict - Daniel Wells:
A bargain buy at $356,000, given his proven season averages when he doesn't miss more than half a season with a foot injury. The Roos are slated for a strong season and a fit Wells should increase swiftly in price as his games accumulate, as well as picking you up a tidy score each week along the way.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-12/fantasy-wells-v-edwards
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on February 12, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
Bad call Jen. Shed just warming up..
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on February 12, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
Bad call Jen. Shed just warming up..

Yeah will be a genuine superstar by his 16th season.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 13, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
Wells game saving tackle McCartney match 1 st season.
Titch season 8. Closelined by Dempsey and holding the ball rd 20 last year v Bombers.

Both wastes. Cameo types whose one good deed gets fluffed up.

Pass on both.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Willy on February 13, 2015, 07:52:35 PM
Can we please rename this site to misery.org?
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: the claw on February 13, 2015, 09:59:23 PM


Both wastes. Cameo types whose one good deed gets fluffed up.

Pass on both.
oh so true.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Chuck17 on February 13, 2015, 10:05:06 PM
Isn't Shed elite?
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on February 14, 2015, 12:39:48 AM
Isn't Shed elite?

Yes he is. Some are just a little slow to catch on.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 14, 2015, 08:48:04 AM
Isn't Shed elite?

Yes he is. Some are just a little slow to catch on.

Ahahaha but Dusty is only very good because he doesn't run both ways. Ahahahaha :help
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on February 14, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
Isn't Shed elite?

Yes he is. Some are just a little slow to catch on.

Ahahaha but Dusty is only very good because he doesn't run both ways. Ahahahaha :help

He also needs to tidy up his short chip turnovers.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 14, 2015, 12:47:40 PM
Isn't Shed elite?

Yes he is. Some are just a little slow to catch on.

Ahahaha but Dusty is only very good because he doesn't run both ways. Ahahahaha :help

He also needs to tidy up his short chip turnovers.

As opposed to Shed's tokenistic cameos,
Momentum killing,
Missing set shots at goal,
25 possession match winning performances.
One on one ability to beat the best in the comp.
Run and carry and kick the ball 50 metres.
10-20 goals a year and going missing in large chunks of games
It must be the silent contribution he makes to the team 2 quarters a game week to week.

But yeah he's elite.

Free agency 2016. Whoa we could own the first round of the draft negotiating this gem.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: (•))(©™ on February 14, 2015, 01:33:46 PM
.......ohhhhhhhh!...... It says FACE off.
My bad.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: WA Tiger on February 15, 2015, 11:11:04 AM
Bad call Jen. Shed just warming up..

WOW.... :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin.......................he must be boiling hot....he has been warming up for 10 years..... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: WA Tiger on February 15, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
Daniel Wells hands down, no idea why they would put these two against each other in a comparison, Wells wins hands down. You would be better off putting Edwards against someone in the para Olympics and they would still come out on top!!! That is absolutely NO offence to any para olympian!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on February 15, 2015, 11:55:26 AM
Daniel Wells hands down, no idea why they would put these two against each other in a comparison, Wells wins hands down. You would be better off putting Edwards against someone in the para Olympics and they would still come out on top!!! That is absolutely NO offence to any para olympian!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Not very PC Wat....
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: The Machine on February 15, 2015, 12:32:37 PM
Edwards by the length of flemington straight ;)
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: The Big Richo on February 15, 2015, 01:14:32 PM
A verdict based on racism.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: the claw on February 15, 2015, 10:32:00 PM
Isn't Shed elite?

Yes he is. Some are just a little slow to catch on.

Ahahaha but Dusty is only very good because he doesn't run both ways. Ahahahaha :help

He also needs to tidy up his short chip turnovers.

As opposed to Shed's tokenistic cameos,
Momentum killing,
Missing set shots at goal,
25 possession match winning performances.
One on one ability to beat the best in the comp.
Run and carry and kick the ball 50 metres.
10-20 goals a year and going missing in large chunks of games
It must be the silent contribution he makes to the team 2 quarters a game week to week.

But yeah he's elite.

Free agency 2016. Whoa we could own the first round of the draft negotiating this gem.
LOL GOD I LOVE THE HONESTY.

Sad and a total loss of credability  when posters like magic feel the need to talk the likes of edwards up as elite footballers.
hes been exactly the same  sort of player since 2010. there is little or no real improvement and he has certainly hit his ceiling. could argue he hit his ceiling in 2010.
the same criticisms of his game remain and i have little doubt will remain as there is no upside to him. what you see you get warts and all.
while not as bad as some  i ask surely we can do better. this bloke has and always will fail us when we need players to stand up you only need look at his attributes and ask yourself what he needs as a small player to succeed, to see why.

personally im prepared to admit im a hard judge but even taking that into consideration edwards is decent at best.it is still the same odd good game many ordinary games with some deplorable ones thrown in. he goes from good to awful thru games even.he has good hands and does win contested ball but for me that is where it stops.unfortunately he doesnt have the attributes to improve the areas he needs to. he never has.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on February 15, 2015, 10:50:18 PM
What about Wells then? No 2 draft pick, you love sticking boots into our players why not judge Wells
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: the claw on February 15, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
What about Wells then? No 2 draft pick, you love sticking boots into our players why not judge Wells
i watch our players week in week out  unlike most opposition players. im no fan of wells either but id take him over edwards.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on February 16, 2015, 12:53:01 AM
shed is not best 22
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on February 16, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
I really don't understand why so many blinkered posters want to focus on the past.
Shed is clearly a better option than Wells atm. Not 5 years ago. Now.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 16, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
I really don't understand why so many blinkered posters want to focus on the past.
Shed is clearly a better option than Wells atm. Not 5 years ago. Now.

negative

wells easily. In fact wells on one leg and he would probably still be in front.

Whats edwards done when you really think about it. He is barely at 1 goal a game and he plays more forward than wells. Has he played well at times, yes of course but when the going gets tough he always goes missing

Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: the claw on February 16, 2015, 02:03:10 PM
I really don't understand why so many blinkered posters want to focus on the past.
Shed is clearly a better option than Wells atm. Not 5 years ago. Now.
what is different about him in 2014  to 2010 and  the yrs in between. forget his first three yrs which were appalling  and write em off as development yrs.

the complaint has remained he goes missing in far too many games, his disposal is ordinary, he lacks pace imo and he just doesnt find enough ball consistently enough.
in his 152 games how many times has he had 25 possesions or more just 6 times is the answer.how many times has he had 30  or more  possesions just once.

for a mid id say 20 possesions is the bare minimum how many times a yr does he have more than 20 possesions. 6 7 times a yr.

as i said he has good hands in tight he gets his share of contested ball but that is where it stops.
in the words of jack dyer hes a good ordinary player, also voicing jacks sentiments hes too often where the ball aint.

to finish nope edwards is not a better player than wells. the major difference being wells pace runand carry, class, and ball use.nowdays hes often tagged because of the hurt factor when he has the ball.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: The Machine on February 16, 2015, 04:54:27 PM
With the talent Wells has at his disposal, he is no. 1 for underachievers in the AFL. Edwards clearance work and score involvements are elite :shh 
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: tony_montana on February 16, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
Shed stepped up in 2014, from the geelong game onwards he played to a good standard imo. Needs to continue that though.

 Would take Wells between the 2 of them
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Tigers of Old on February 16, 2015, 10:35:25 PM
Wells hardly got on the park last year. At 30 injuries have had an impact.
He's underachieved a little given his skill set but if he can regain his best then he's the better player that's for sure.
Certainly he's a fine outside type.
Would love a Wells type (at his best) at Richmond.

Titch has some great skills and was terrific for us in the back half of last season. He's effective up forward and when on the ball and sits comfortably in the 22. Lots of figures bandied about and there's truth, lies and damn statistics but Champion Data rated him as elite for the role he plays in this year's AFL prospectus so he's clearly doing a lot right.
Think he is underrated by some Richmond supporters but he hasn't yet shown the consistency that's required to quell all of his detractors.
The back half of last season is what he needs to deliver all year.
Then he might get mentioned with the better players of the competition. He's certainly not there yet.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: the claw on February 17, 2015, 09:33:16 PM
Wells hardly got on the park last year. At 30 injuries have had an impact.
He's underachieved a little given his skill set but if he can regain his best then he's the better player that's for sure.
Certainly he's a fine outside type.
Would love a Wells type (at his best) at Richmond.

Titch has some great skills and was terrific for us in the back half of last season. He's effective up forward and when on the ball and sits comfortably in the 22. Lots of figures bandied about and there's truth, lies and damn statistics but Champion Data rated him as elite for the role he plays in this year's AFL prospectus so he's clearly doing a lot right.
Think he is underrated by some Richmond supporters but he hasn't yet shown the consistency that's required to quell all of his detractors.
The back half of last season is what he needs to deliver all year.
Then he might get mentioned with the better players of the competition. He's certainly not there yet.
i watched him fairly closely last yr and i broke his season down thus

10 games below standard.
11 games up to standard of which many i gave him the benefit of the doubt.
2 very good games.

i thouight he was servicable in just 3 of the first 10 games and he certainly should have been dropped.

to me this is not consistent or a high standard yet nuffies are calling his season elite.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 17, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
The Essendon game in round 19 is classic Titch.
Does a few nice things kicks a couple of goals = tick.

Lets him and his teammates down same day with a couple of clangers and indecisive moments and the embarassment of being closelined and getting a holding the ball against and tat night was his best game of the year.

Best thing he did all year was the final quarter v Sydney up there when he ran into the pocket and rather than shoot go inboard and the kick it to can't remember 20 out dead in front.

Stuff like that is far too seldom. After 8 seasons he should be doing this consistently not sporadically.
Title: Re: Face off: Shane Edwards vs Daniel Wells ..... (afl site)
Post by: Tigers of Old on February 17, 2015, 10:46:31 PM
Wells hardly got on the park last year. At 30 injuries have had an impact.
He's underachieved a little given his skill set but if he can regain his best then he's the better player that's for sure.
Certainly he's a fine outside type.
Would love a Wells type (at his best) at Richmond.

Titch has some great skills and was terrific for us in the back half of last season. He's effective up forward and when on the ball and sits comfortably in the 22. Lots of figures bandied about and there's truth, lies and damn statistics but Champion Data rated him as elite for the role he plays in this year's AFL prospectus so he's clearly doing a lot right.
Think he is underrated by some Richmond supporters but he hasn't yet shown the consistency that's required to quell all of his detractors.
The back half of last season is what he needs to deliver all year.
Then he might get mentioned with the better players of the competition. He's certainly not there yet.
i watched him fairly closely last yr and i broke his season down thus

10 games below standard.
11 games up to standard of which many i gave him the benefit of the doubt.
2 very good games.

i thouight he was servicable in just 3 of the first 10 games and he certainly should have been dropped.

to me this is not consistent or a high standard yet nuffies are calling his season elite.

Fair. I certainly don't think he's anywhere near an 'elite' player in the comp yet clawsy but he's nowhere near as bad as some suggest either.
The truth probably lies somewhere in between.
Shane has some exceptional skills that others don't possess but he also fails to show up at times too.
He's a bit symptomatic of the whole team unfortunately. Far too inconsistent.