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Event: AFL Round 2
Teams: Richmond v Western Bulldogs
Date: Saturday April 11, 2015
Start time: 1.45pm
Gate opening:
Public/AFL members: 12.00pm
MCC members: 11.30am
Car park opening:
Gate 3: 7.30am
Gate 5: 10.30am
Gate 6: 10.30am
Gate 7: 9.00am (pass holders only)
Cheersquad allocation:
Richmond - Bays M3 (Rows A-K) and M4 (Rows A-K)
Western Bulldogs - Bay M33 (Rows A-S)
http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Upcoming%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=ffd80bf6-2c38-4546-b0c4-d15fcbf55ae7
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Must win game! ;D
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8 point game.
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MCG website update:
Estimated attendance: 50,000
Curtain-raiser: AIS Under 18 v Northern Blues (10.25am start)
General admission areas
Great Southern Stand
M1-M5
Q1-Q14
Ponsford Stand
M28-M36
Q29-Q36
Olympic Stand
Q49-Q57
http://www.mcc.org.au/Events%20at%20the%20MCG/Calendar%20of%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=ffd80bf6-2c38-4546-b0c4-d15fcbf55ae7
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Snip! ::) This thread is for proper discussion of the upcoming game.
Anyway, we're heavy favourites with the bookies this week.
Richmond $1.33
Bulldogs $3.35
Line: 19.5 pts.
Source: TAB (https://www.tab.com.au/sports/betting/AFL%20Football/competitions/AFL)
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Won't get 50,000. No way
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No, Not a chance, being a Home game with over 66,000 members on a Saturday arvo in the worlds most popular timeslot :ROTFL
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Could definitely get 50,000 if the weather is good.
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Would be disappointing if they don't get 50k at a minimum
Saturday arvo at the G
Perfect weather forecast
Bulldogs coming off a decent win
Our first home game at our home...
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No, Not a chance, being a Home game with over 66,000 members on a Saturday arvo in the worlds most popular timeslot :ROTFL
1:15 is the worst timelot
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Dooks will be there. Early time suits him even more so.
Yessssss :clapping
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1:15 is the worst timelot
1.15? :huh
Games starts at 1.45
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1:15 is the worst timelot
1.15? :huh
Games starts at 1.45
Same thing only 30 mins difference
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1:15 is the worst timelot
1.15? :huh
Games starts at 1.45
Same thing only 30 mins difference
Isn't it only 25 minutes before the "ideal timeslot" then???? :huh
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Love the early start.
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1:15 is the worst timelot
1.15? :huh
Games starts at 1.45
Same thing only 30 mins difference
Garbage, means I can be home for dinner at 600 on the knocker :shh
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Match preview: Tigers v Bulldogs
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
April 8, 2015
SUMMARY
After an exhilarating start to the season, the Western Bulldogs are shooting for their first 2-0 start since 2009. The Dogs were one of the stories of round one with their attacking style under new coach Luke Beveridge. Their youngsters drove a 10-point win over West Coast, helping the club move on from a difficult off-season. The Tigers also made a perfect start, clicking into gear in the second quarter against Carlton to win by 27 points in the season opener at the MCG. Their defensive game will face a sterner test this week, given the Dogs' attacking mentality.
WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Saturday, April 11, 1.45pm AEST
LAST FIVE TIMES
R3, 2014, Western Bulldogs 15.10 (100) d Richmond 15.8 (98) at Etihad Stadium
R13, 2013, Richmond 17.19 (121) d Western Bulldogs 8.13 (61) at Etihad Stadium
R3, 2013, Richmond 20.15 (135) d Western Bulldogs 10.8 (68) at Etihad Stadium
R20, 2012, Richmond 22.18 (150) d Western Bulldogs 12.8 (80) at the MCG
R8, 2011, Western Bulldogs 23.15 (153) d Richmond 18.10 (118) at Etihad Stadium
THE SIX POINTS
1. When these teams last clashed, the Bulldogs led by 37 points at half-time before Richmond almost pulled off a late comeback win, falling short by two points. Jack Macrae was best on ground with 30 possessions and one goal.
2. Richmond was effective with the ball in round one with 79 per cent disposal efficiency. The Bulldogs were also impressive, operating at 73 per cent.
3. Before last year the Tigers had won the previous three match-ups against the Bulldogs by big margins. Before that the Dogs had won the previous four, and eight of nine between 2005-11.
4. No team used the interchange more in round one than the Bulldogs, who had 116 rotations. Richmond wasn’t far behind with 104 rotations.
5. This will be the 151st meeting between the sides and Richmond holds the advantage 78-70, with two draws.
6. One area the Tigers struggled with in round one was the clearances, losing the key indicator to Carlton 38-27. The Bulldogs smashed the Eagles in clearances 48-33.
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Tom Boyd. The Tigers' backline is back to full strength if David Astbury returns and Boyd would likely face a match-up on All Australian Alex Rance. Boyd was well held by young Eagle Jeremy McGovern in round one and kicked one late goal. A bigger contribution would likely be required to help his team get past the Tigers.
PREDICTION: Richmond by 15 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-07/match-preview-tigers-v-bulldogs
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We're overwhelming favourites with the journos:
Herald-Sun 26-3 ..... Pendlebury tipped the Dogs.
The Age 20-4
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/04/09/1227297/779991-hs-expert-tips-r2-2015.pdf
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/expert-tipsters
The odds have moved towards us over the week ...
Richmond $1.30
Bulldogs $3.55
Line 22.5 pts
Source: TAB
One at odds: Richmond 40+ @ $3.30
The Tiges expect to feature at the pointy end while the Dogs are still at puppy school. Despite all the upside in the world, the Dogs were unable to put an undermanned West Coast away last week. Richmond in a canter.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/rory-sloane-in-doubt-for-adelaide-after-missing-training-today/story-fndv862c-1227298801484
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No Lids and Titch will hurt. Just need to make sure we match at least match them at the stoppages and clearance.
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What's up with Sheds? Massive hit to pace now.
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line ball game after our outs. we should have put in someone with pace not petterd
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line ball game after our outs. we should have put in someone with pace not petterd
Let's not fear, we've got Newman in the team to kill them with his blistering pace.
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line ball game after our outs. we should have put in someone with pace not petterd
Let's not fear, we've got Newman in the team to kill them with his blistering pace.
Was watching last years replay -everyone hung Ellis out to dry but guess who's man ran 80 metres and left him in his wake bc he can't run back? Yep new and man is the one that burnt him and kicked it into 50. Has been Halle I got for yrs and stunned no one ever calls him out on it
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Hate to bring up the umpiring so early but already have seen at least 3 free kicks missed that were paid against us last week for exactly the same thing, namely holding the ball.
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Playing crap early AGAIN! :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Petterd has no business being out there.
Chaplin pretty pathetic.
Cotchin doing his 10m kick specials again.
Can really see Shed's omission hurting.
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We are winning the free kicks 11-3
Reiwoldt has 1 kick
Morris has 1 kick.
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If I see Chaplin do another 5 metre abortion of a chip kick I am going to gag
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Pettard Geez >:(
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Martin is a jet
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Still playing crap. :banghead
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Lambert shoulder
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Chaplin dropped mark. Bulldogs goal
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Getting comprehensively outplayed lucky to be so close. Once again an inability or unwillingness to take the game on. Doggies playing the classic norf style against us flood back and break fwd hard.
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Great game so far ::)
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Yep it's disgusting footy to watch. Going to be a contested game. Can really see who the gutless pricks are with this style. Grigg and Houli for example.
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Rance BOG.
Chaplin useless.
I think Rance knows this & if we can't find him some help he will definitely leave in hope of a premiership. Still waiting Astbury or Elton to come good but who knows they ever will.
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Chip chip chip chip.... Haven't they learnt a lesson yet. And then is it just me or does the Dogs strip look distinctively different to our black with yellow sash because we are continually kicking the ball to them so maybe at the ground it's harder to tell the difference.
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Bye Chaplin
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Batchelor...
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Pitiful, indecisive, cr@p football, hardwick needs a kick up the backside for allowing this play style to be played, or is this his game plan?????
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Hardwick and the tactical coaches have not done anything different in the 2nd quarter. Through either incompetence or arrogance that we would somehow come out on top.
Out coached and outsmarted Damien
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Cotch becoming a turnover king, complete momentum swing. Needs to make up for it big time.
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Pitiful, indecisive, cr@p football, hardwick needs a kick up the backside for allowing this play style to be played, or is this his game plan?????
This is our style. Possession football - the hawthorn model, except we're no hawthorn
They are putting us to the sword atm, so lucky they are missing
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One more goal and this game is probably gone
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Are we at home? Are we a finals team? Are we fairdinkum?
Show something!!!!!!!!
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There it is
Gawn
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2014 first half of the year all over again.
Not working hard enough.
Melbourne will obliterate us like this in a fortnight.
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Tory Dickson seagull for 21 rounds.
Superstar for one.
Versus Richmond.
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This performance is disgraceful.
How does this team expect any credibility as a footy team when they constantly dish up this crap?
We will never be respected unless we can play a full four quarters.
What a joke!
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Where are the leaders??????
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Nope were gone
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Murphy is dominating off half back
Morris is watching him.
Great move Dimma!
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Bulldogs and Melbourne are passed us now.
Carlton are so so crap just look at last night and last week flattered us.
We are terrible.
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Bulldogs and Melbourne are passed us now.
Carlton are so so crap just look at last night and last week flattered us.
We are terrible.
The Skata cycle. Plop plop plop. (Used by permission)
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Bulldogs and Melbourne are passed us now.
Carlton are so so crap just look at last night and last week flattered us.
We are terrible.
The Skata cycle. Plop plop plop. (Used by permission)
Yep Mr Tigra. :thumbsup
Dare I say it we miss Titch?
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Batchelor...
has no business being our best 22 at the moment. just a diabolical performance from him and many others today. Just disgraceful. I blame hardwick for today we are slow as treacle, we lose Edwards and Deledio and bring in Petterd and Lambert --- Two jokes of a decision. Replaced 2 quick players with plodders when we were already under the pump.
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Excluding Rance....What a bunch of idiot sucking sissy's.
Just letting the bulldogs youngsters to bend us over. :banghead
:banghead
Still a laughing stock.
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Excluding Rance....What a bunch of idiot sucking sissy's.
Just letting the bulldogs youngsters to bend us over. :banghead
:banghead
Still a laughing stock.
X2
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Bulldogs and Melbourne are passed us now.
Carlton are so so crap just look at last night and last week flattered us.
We are terrible.
Absolutely agree we are behind Bulldogs and Melbourne. They have flown past us, the bullies with better recruiting and Melbourne with better coaching under Roos.
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The frustrating thing sitting here is all we need to do is click and we got it. The dogs are crap but we're playing that awful. What a joke. Someone do something inspirational.
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No speed in our forward 50, witches hats at the moment as they transition from one end to the other like a hot knife through butter. It's early in the season and don't take notice of last week's result, we are very poor in just about every position on the ground. Could easily be 1-4 and memories of last season come flooding back. Again where are our leaders, need to involve themselves this last quarter before it gets very embarrassing.
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The frustrating thing sitting here is all we need to do is click and we got it. The dogs are crap but we're playing that awful. What a joke. Someone do something inspirational.
stop kidding yourself Pipe. We lose a couple of players like Deledio and Edwards and we become crap. The same as last year when we had no Deledio, no Rance or no Maric. We are an average very slow football team and we will lose to Melbourne as well when we play them.
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I'd like to see Cotchin do something inspirational.
I seen Campbell have 17 possies in the last qtr to help us win.
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Not kidding myself skirt. I actually support Richmond.
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We'll still lose by what we we're down at 3/4 time. I'm not holding my breath.
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Not kidding myself skirt. I actually support Richmond.
everyone here supports Richmond but we are disgraceful and you have to be honest about todays performance.
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Grimes on Dickson and he had a career defining day v Richmond.
Cometh the the hour cometh the bananas.
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Chaplin. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Guys don't make exuses Lids out and Titch etc.We can't win against the dogs a developing team were not good enough full stop.Dimma never learns gets out coached and has no plan B.FFS picking Petterd when Knights was there :banghead.Nothing new our leaders don't turn up when heat is on.
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we need to kick 6 goals from here I reckon to win the game. cant see it unless the dogs fall in a heap.
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we need the next goal to get it under 2 goals
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Nup. Bulldogs got it.
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No finals for us if we play like this.
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May as well just forfeit, FFS, how many goals do we absolutely gift to the opposition, has to be 5 per game :banghead
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If we lose Rance we are a bottom 4 club.
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See ya later. Plan for the next week. Richmond Footy Club the gift that just keeps on giving.
Like Al Pacino in Godfather 3.
"Just when I think we might not be crap they drag us back in."
Gees blokes like Matty Boyd with a group of kids must love playing us. Knowing as a club we are just average at best. Confident that they can always beat us because we just cave in most of the time.
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we didn't cave in today don, we just aren't good enough and terribly slow.
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Bulldogs and Melbourne are closer to winning a flag than we are. Richmond is headed back to the bottom reaches of the ladder gents.
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When you see poo like this it's no surprise Rance hasn't signed
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I think Hardwick really needs to come under the pump now. Really Beverage outcoached today ... it was a disgraceful performance from Hardwick in the box today and to be honest a shocking performance in terms of the players he picked for todays match. Just terrible today from Hardwick.
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There was more heat in my area in that final quarter between a few of us Richmond v dogs supporters than on the field, had security watching by the end
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Hardwick gone by end of year, on that performance I think it was worst than last season, no way we will come like a steam train this year. Hate to say it but put simply we are a very dumb team, poor decision making kills any momentum we gain, same players over and over but they continue to be the first players selected. Can tell you when the new coach arrives they will be the first players out the door, yes yet a other rebuild.
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We cave in to expectation and fail by being too conservative.
Too afraid to make a mistake and that's the biggest mistake of all.
There it is No More. I think you'll agree Megale. :thumbsup
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WE WON...
THE FREE KICKS 30 to 13. Whoa!
....I wonder what all the apologists will use as an excuse for the mediocre performance today. :shh :whistle
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Not sure what their excuse will be if they even have one, but you can sure as poo that all the anti Richmond brigade will be rehashing the same old material.
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Soft all game - deserved what we got. End of story
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....I wonder what all the apologists will use as an excuse for the mediocre performance today. :shh :whistle
Any poster who states we were ok today is either trolling or baiting and will have there post reported
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Not sure what their excuse will be if they even have one, but you can sure as poo that all the anti Richmond brigade will be rehashing the same old material.
99.9% of richmond members/fans would be pro richmond brigade
not having blind faith is not being anti richmond - imho
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We give them every right to do that the way we play.
Once upon a time it was us against them.
Over time it's evolved to whatever whatever forever.
I want to see a Hooray for Everything Bulldogs type banner in our cheersquad.
Damian Hardwick our taskmaster.
Sean Grigg one handed seagull.
Troy Chaplin tuff guy.
Chris Newman evergreen champion.
Trent Cotchin. Kick the bloody Captain's goal.
That way everyone can be happy and be buddies.
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Not sure what their excuse will be if they even have one, but you can sure as poo that all the anti Richmond brigade will be rehashing the same old material.
99.9% of richmond members/fans would be pro richmond brigade
not having blind faith is not being anti richmond - imho
You're new here, so I'll cut you some slack. This is the armpit of Richmond supporter forums, trolled by a majority of opposition supporters.
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We give them every right to do that the way we play.
Once upon a time it was us against them.
Over time it's evolved to whatever whatever forever.
I want to see a Hooray for Everything Bulldogs type banner in our cheersquad.
Damian Hardwick our taskmaster.
Sean Grigg one handed seagull.
Troy Chaplin tuff guy.
Chris Newman evergreen champion.
Trent Cotchin. Kick the bloody Captain's goal.
That way everyone can be happy and be buddies.
And heaven forbid somebody constructively criticise the poorer players after a bad loss and hold people to account ::)
That must mean you aren't a supporter, right?!
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Panic stations ::)
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You deluded stuffs.
How do u feel today?
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Thought they were unreal after beating Carlton.
Hardwick feeling justified in his poo coaching last week and out coached by a noob.
Cotchin should be dropped.
Newman, Houli, Grigg, Ellis, Pettard - all stuffn poo.
Plus more.
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Thought they were unreal after beating Carlton.
Hardwick feeling justified in his poo coaching last week and out coached by a noob.
Cotchin should be dropped.
Newman, Houli, Grigg, Ellis, Pettard - all stuffn poo.
Plus more.
why blame ellis he is 21? imho - look towards to mature players in the side and the selection panel
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Mate, he's been given the opportunity and the team need him to step up but he's just as pathetic as the rest of the duds. Only with a better publicist.
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Add Bachelor as well
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That stuffn coach is a stuffn idiot.
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That stuffn coach is a stuffn idiot.
Welcome home, Dear.
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That stuffn coach is a stuffn idiot.
Welcome home, Dear.
Got nothing else to say though (speechless) - couldn't help myself after watching him stuff up three times in the first qrtr
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Mate, he's been given the opportunity and the team need him to step up but he's just as pathetic as the rest of the duds. Only with a better publicist.
yet he might be ok one day
where as the others are closer to 30 and proven crap week, after week like a broken cd player
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They look like little pansies, do these Tiger ones
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Ellis refused 3 or 4 times to get his own ball when he clearly had positional advantage. Each time he left it and a Bulldogs player picked it up uncontested.
Eg
Dogs first goal
The mix up between him and Martin. Ellis should have picked it up and handballs to Martin running towards our goal or he should have shepherded for Martin.
The refusal on the outer win where he left it for Vlastuin who couldn't get there before dogs player.
Joke Ellis.
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If we lose Rance to free agency. Sell the club.
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If we lose Rance to free agency. Sell the club.
= my brain during 3rd quarter
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Our lack of leadership continues to be our biggest issue IMESHO
Indictment that it was Chaplin at 3qtr time trying to fire us the troops
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WP maybe lack of leadership is all part of the culture thing so many keep highlighting.
What I thought today was that nobody bothered/wanted to change things ,we appeared to keep playing the same way throughout the day in the hope our way will prevail.
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Our lack of leadership continues to be our biggest issue IMESHO
Indictment that it was Chaplin at 3qtr time trying to fire us the troops
Troops are fired up by putting ones head over the ball and trying very hard.
Not shouting imho
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Leadership in our case lack of it is still a major issue
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Geez, even though we lost, what a game. So many positives to come from it. Petterd, he'll be a player, Morris better go to the doctor again and get a shot for leather poisoning. Chaplin is the general, so calm and, whoa, hands like a vice. Cotch gets 30 touches and they're all damaging. Lambert, we've found another one there. Newman, 500 games is in his sights playing a blinder like that. The chemistry of the team is amazing, they are all on the same wavelength. Won't be long before we start winning games that we're heavy favourites in.
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WP maybe lack of leadership is all part of the culture thing so many keep highlighting.
What I thought today was that nobody bothered/wanted to change things ,we appeared to keep playing the same way throughout the day in the hope our way will prevail.
Yeah it probably has a bit to do with it but at some point you want your captain to try and drag his teammates along. We didn't get that today in any form. Today our captain was guilty of appearing of what you've mentioned not wanting to change things, thinking it was just going to happen. It didn't and we got what we deserved.
You need your leaders to change this perceived culture days like today make you wonder of they can or know how
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One clear lesson out of it Morris as a defensive forward is no good. He cant crumb.
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My issues with Richmond, in order of concern.
1-Our midfield getting walloped 2 weeks in a row by, on paper, weaker and less experienced mids.
2-The way we move the ball forward. You can't always move forward by going sideways, we are chipping when we should go long and vice versa. Also, although we can look dangerous when we bomb it to FF, the tactic loses it's lustre if there are 10 players in the square.
3-Tackling/belief. Our players seem to have a unique belief in themselves, an unshakeable belief that I have seen for decades at Tigerland, this is the belief that someone else will do the tackling for them, and the ball will magically land in their hands for them to make the easy getaway.
4-Cotchin's kicking.
5-Pace. We don't have any. Losing our 2 quickest players for today's game exposed us badly.
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Dogs played a harassing zone and we fell for it. Refused time and again to get numbers to the ball and move it quickly. Hunt tried to do it a few times but no one ran wirh him. Run and carry we did not do today. We looked like a Malthouse special team with zimmer frames.
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No1 complained of on field leadership last year in the back half when it was impressive. Yet I don't recall anything major Hardwick did tactically to turn our season around.
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at least 5 players who played today aren't up to finals AFL standard. they can play for bottom clubs but not clubs who want to contend. you cant play 5 or 6 players short and when you have a couple of outs like deledio and Edwards ... then losing almost becomes a certainty. should have had a million bucks on the bullies today, dooks was right.
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No1 complained of on field leadership last year in the back half when it was impressive. Yet I don't recall anything major Hardwick did tactically to turn our season around.
With respect Pope, I'm always questioning our leadership. Even during that run last year. I have major concerns about it, have for quite some time now. It's just on days like to day the lack of leadership shines like a beacon, unfortunately
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How many times today did we go forward by first chipping the ball around,going from one side of the ground to the other.The doggies just waited and picked us off when the keystone cops turned it over.
Me I think our backline is fine and so is our midfield ,but unfortunately our forward line is disfunctional and has let us down now for quite a few years.With Lids out martin and cotch couldn't rest up forward as much thus we became impotent.
Griff is just ok,but he doesn't crunch packs and bring the ball to the ground for the crumbers,mind you neither does lazy bones Vickery.is it worth giving astbury a shot up forward
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Where was Newman when we needed leadership. Sure he (mis)kicked a goal but he should of nailed that kick to the lead and just got lucky. Gordon is a stuffing dud he needs to be stuffed off to the VFL for the rest of the year then dumped from the list. Morris looked immensly better once moved back. Was impressed with Lloyd, had a presence. Griff went missing like he usually does. McIntosh got a few disposals again but I still have my doubts but he has plenty of time and credits in the bank to deserve games. Rance and Martin make me moist.
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at least 5 players who played today aren't up to finals AFL standard. they can play for bottom clubs but not clubs who want to contend. you cant play 5 or 6 players short and when you have a couple of outs like deledio and Edwards ... then losing almost becomes a certainty. should have had a million bucks on the bullies today, dooks was right.
I really wonder about Lloyd, he is pretty so so to me. Maybe he'll come good but there were some pretty awful shots at goal by him today. For a small forward he should be a good kick at goal and he is average. If he had goaled a couple of extra times we'd have been in the game and who knows.
Jack missing early and late didnt help either
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Claw was right. Thomas should have come in.
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Dogs played a harassing zone and we fell for it. Refused time and again to get numbers to the ball and move it quickly. Hunt tried to do it a few times but no one ran wirh him. Run and carry we did not do today. We looked like a Malthouse special team with zimmer frames.
Yes, life is like a Scanlens footy card for some, who think they have all day to line up a nice handball for the cameraman. Meanwhile the rest of the league is going a million miles an hour getting the pill to their forwards.
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Dogs played a harassing zone and we fell for it. Refused time and again to get numbers to the ball and move it quickly. Hunt tried to do it a few times but no one ran wirh him. Run and carry we did not do today. We looked like a Malthouse special team with zimmer frames.
Yes, life is like a Scanlens footy card for some, who think they have all day to line up a nice handball for the cameraman. Meanwhile the rest of the league is going a million miles an hour getting the pill to their forwards.
The Scanlen Tigers. ;D
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Leadership is simply, something gone supporters can feel.
We've felt none for decades.
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How many times today did we go forward by first chipping the ball around,going from one side of the ground to the other.The doggies just waited and picked us off when the keystone cops turned it over.
Me I think our backline is fine and so is our midfield ,but unfortunately our forward line is disfunctional and has let us down now for quite a few years.With Lids out martin and cotch couldn't rest up forward as much thus we became impotent.
Griff is just ok,but he doesn't crunch packs and bring the ball to the ground for the crumbers,mind you neither does lazy bones Vickery.is it worth giving astbury a shot up forward
It wasnt just the forwards failing to take their opportunities it was the slow movement forward that allowed the dogs to get numbers back in a good defensive zone that we couldnt penetrate. If th opposition do this you have to move it quickly before their zone gets set up.
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I hope Hardwick tears srrips off the team today.
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I hope someone tears strips off him.
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Panic stations ::)
Whoa :shh
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Sat with Bo at the footy today..now theres a man who disected the game with the precision of Dr Christian Barnard..Quite an eye opener to sit with the great man
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Our lack of leadership continues to be our biggest issue IMESHO
Indictment that it was Chaplin at 3qtr time trying to fire us the troops
Troops are fired up by putting ones head over the ball and trying very hard.
Not shouting imho
Disagree, reckon you need someone who can say the right things and pump the boys up and THEN put their head over the ball and do what needs to be done
Also WP, out of curiosity, who's your ideal captain if anyone?
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Forward line none existent today, put Tony locket or Gary ablett into the team and guess what you WIN, how can a team have 80 more possies, 10 more marks I50, 6 more i50s and stuffen we'll lose .
We had 6 players flapping their arms like Sammy the seal out there today, I'm bloody ropeable we let we let a golden op slip :banghead
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Also WP, out of curiosity, who's your ideal captain if anyone?
Luke Hodge but we don't have Luke Hodge
Form our current list right now it would be Ivan Maric
Hopefully in a few years it will be Nick Vlaustin
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How many times today did we go forward by first chipping the ball around,going from one side of the ground to the other.The doggies just waited and picked us off when the keystone cops turned it over.
Me I think our backline is fine and so is our midfield ,but unfortunately our forward line is disfunctional and has let us down now for quite a few years.With Lids out martin and cotch couldn't rest up forward as much thus we became impotent.
Griff is just ok,but he doesn't crunch packs and bring the ball to the ground for the crumbers,mind you neither does lazy bones Vickery.is it worth giving astbury a shot up forward
It wasnt just the forwards failing to take their opportunities it was the slow movement forward that allowed the dogs to get numbers back in a good defensive zone that we couldnt penetrate. If th opposition do this you have to move it quickly before their zone gets set up.
Both of you are spot on.
In regard to Hardwick tearing strips, he would do that. Too many favorites in the team
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gee Bo kept the Sammy the seal comment well hidden today
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Forward line none existent today, put Tony locket or Gary ablett into the team and guess what you WIN, how can a team have 80 more possies, 10 more marks I50, 6 more i50s and stuffen we'll lose .
We had 6 players flapping their arms like Sammy the seal out there today, I'm bloody ropeable we let we let a golden op slip :banghead
At least you are being honest. Unlike some.
Kudos to you :clapping
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Ball movement and forward entries = horrendous :banghead
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Thought Vlas was horrible today..to the point where his stupidity was costing us
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Ball movement and forward entries = horrendous :banghead
Yep
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Thought Vlas was horrible today..to the point where his stupidity was costing us
Agree, he was like another 17, horrible
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In regard to Hardwick tearing strips, he would do that. Too many favorites in the team
Too many Mates.....
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Thought Vlas was horrible today..to the point where his stupidity was costing us
Agree, he was like another 17, horrible
Yep
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It also starts in the middle, Maric got smashed and fumbled almost everything. Disappointing day for the big guy.
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Discuss loss here, why, sack coach, sack recruiting dept, sack selection, committee, it ain't working, where is our team passion and commitment, team plan, coaching innovativeness, we got NADA, i feel sorry for our good players, mediocrity is what we are good at and excel at and unless someone picks this club up by the scruff of the neck and shakes the poo out of it nothing will change, we will finish 8th or 9th. Martin, rance miles, are good, if the rest of the team had morrises passion we would be a much better unit. That's my richmond rant.
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You deluded stuffs.
How do u feel today?
How do u feel, sounds like your gloating while most of us are struggling to put one foot in front of the other :o
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It also starts in the middle, Maric got smashed and fumbled almost everything. Disappointing day for the big guy.
Still struggle to rate the guy unfortuantely
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It also starts in the middle, Maric got smashed and fumbled almost everything. Disappointing day for the big guy.
Has been terrible in pre season and first 2 rounds
Cannot jump at centre bounces
Going to be a real issue this
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lmao at that. will they finally admit things need to change. nope like many of our supporters they live in ga ga land.
short term i dont think we can change too much we dont have the talent any where near afl level coming thru. the trouble remains your newmans petterds griggs houlis morris griffiths atm, and many others will give more than the development players.
to play juniors we will first have to admit we cant go anywhere with the mature players we have and be prepared to go down the ladder. we all know that isnt going to happen.
finding one or two good players a yr is not going to cut it for us. we need to nail a draft find some excellent young rookies nail f/as and trade period to make inroads.
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It also starts in the middle, Maric got smashed and fumbled almost everything. Disappointing day for the big guy.
Has been terrible in pre season and first 2 rounds
Cannot jump at centre bounces
Going to be a real issue this
Agree 100%. There's a real likelihood we've seen the best of Marics ruck work. Age has not been kind to him.
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Can some explain this plan of going wide on the wings too me? Looks like the start of last season all over again.
I'm no expert but the dogs stayed on the inside/centre of the ground and then when it was turned over tore us a new one down the corridor :whistle
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Can some explain this plan of going wide on the wings too me? Looks like the start of last season all over again.
I'm no expert but the dogs stayed on the inside/centre of the ground and then when it was turned over tore us a new one down the corridor :whistle
we get sucked into it by north year in year out. We base our game on a possession style game, so smart teams flood back force us wide and then go bang when they win the ball bc they know we're a team fuillof downhill skiers who don't run as hard the other way.
Am very very disappointed with todays performance, absolutely unacceptable from a team that should be really well drilled agfter playing under the same coach for the last 5 years. There really is no excuse for that.
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Fair to say the performance stings a lot more than the final result for mine. The fact we still seem to do the same ol in year 5 or 6 or whatever the stuff it is now under hardwick is really concerning.
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oh, they were well drilled, just in the wrong stuffing things
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oh, they were well drilled, just in the wrong stuffing things
:clapping
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Fair to say the performance stings a lot more than the final result for mine. The fact we still seem to do the same ol in year 5 or 6 or whatever the stuff it is now under hardwick is really concerning.
Yep. Well said
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Form our current list right now it would be Ivan Maric
He isn't good enough to get a game.
He and Minson today were like two Studebakers racing formula one cars.
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at least 5 players who played today aren't up to finals AFL standard. they can play for bottom clubs but not clubs who want to contend. you cant play 5 or 6 players short and when you have a couple of outs like deledio and Edwards ... then losing almost becomes a certainty. should have had a million bucks on the bullies today, dooks was right.
what only 5. not only dooks was right mate.
i havent watched the game today as i had to work. have it recorded but dont need to watch it. whats been wrong has been wrong for a long time thus these sort of losses will inevitably happen.
im always amazed at the angst and hurt shown by supporters who deep down know but for some reason refuse to admit we are poo. have been for right throughout despite some suspect finals appearances.
gunna say it again. we wont ever be a contender until we first and foremost fix our recruiting and list management. you wont even need to watch games to know we will be ordinary most of the time until these areas are finally properly fixed.
its simple people. we dont have the cattle we have never had the cattle. two or three yrs will never ever fix a thing and if you lot look at it closely, under hardwick we had two yrs of rebuild and then it stopped.we all remember the recycled hacks that started to come inand get precedence at the expense of kids.
in 30 yrs we have failed to see a rebuild thru. in 30 yrs we have abysmally failed in recruiting and list management.
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WP is right here, usual suspects trying hard and usual spuds doing what they do best but i stop short of blaming the kids. Houli, Grigg and co
I have to ask did you not see this coming. I mean do you all seriously go to games thinking that we are going to tear clubs apart?
for one reason or another we dont have the personnel to go anywhere in this comp.
The coach has been given 5 years and will most likely get an extension. In an attempt to not be seen as a club in turmoil they are too soft on the people that count. Coach, players and recruiters get new contracts at punt road.
Round 3 and no news on rance. Odds are shortening on that one.
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WP is right here, usual suspects trying hard and usual spuds doing what they do best but i stop short of blaming the kids. Houli, Grigg and co
I have to ask did you not see this coming. I mean do you all seriously go to games thinking that we are going to tear clubs apart?
for one reason or another we dont have the personnel to go anywhere in this comp.
The coach has been given 5 years and will most likely get an extension. In an attempt to not be seen as a club in turmoil they are too soft on the people that count. Coach, players and recruiters get new contracts at punt road.
Round 3 and no news on rance. Odds are shortening on that one.
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hha yep albert
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What is the point of doing a pre season if this is what you are going to dish up? As much as i hate to say it Hardwick and his coaching dept are done. Footy is a simple game, play hard and fast, compete, tackle, convert your chances, see ya damien
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oh, they were well drilled, just in the wrong stuffing things
is that a criticism well done sir but blaming the coach has been done in the past.
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gutted, forgotten, onto next week :gotigers
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No1 complained of on field leadership last year in the back half when it was impressive. Yet I don't recall anything major Hardwick did tactically to turn our season around.
With respect Pope, I'm always questioning our leadership. Even during that run last year. I have major concerns about it, have for quite some time now. It's just on days like to day the lack of leadership shines like a beacon, unfortunately
So who should be Captain in your opinion?
:cheers
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Not Cotchin
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Didnt want to comment until I rewatched it this Morning. So many ponits have been made, most of which you have to agree with after a loss like that. With our abity to get the ball and the amount of possession we had we should of won.
There are several reasons we lost.
1. Skill errors. Every single player today turned the ball over at least once. Some many more than others.
2. Wrong choices. Sometimes im not sure if our players are dumb or trying to follow some sort of team rules. Handballing to players under preasure is not smart.
3. Not taking chances. Bad kicking is bad football. Many guilty here. Again some more than others
4. Game plan. Kicking sidways and slow movement up forward.
5. Lack of leadership. Leaders change the game, ours didnt.
6. Passengers. Which leads me to
The final point was that this game was lost at the selection committee. Lets hope it doesnt take till middle of the year to realize the mistakes and fix them. Im sure they think they are doing the right things but they need to step back and have a good hard look .
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Watching the replay just now with 2 minutes left into the 1st quarter. Wallace should have been taken out with a huge hip & shoulder by the Richmond player who l'm sure is Miles & that is the type of football that makes or breaks a game. Wallace was open & would have gone down the race if hit. If the opposition knows your going in soft they will know they can take the extra chance because your opponent is seen as weak. Those are the actions that set the day & cost games. Vlaustin also goes down the race in the last minute of the opening quarter. Seems to me that some of our players fail to read the game & are over running the ball. l see this as limited practice match in players who have been rested or not doing enough. l'm impressed with Griffiths. But we lack toughness. Also again they are missing goals that should be on the scoreboard. They are not putting scoreboard pressure on & that is killing us weekly.
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Didnt want to comment until I rewatched it this Morning. So many ponits have been made, most of which you have to agree with after a loss like that. With our abity to get the ball and the amount of possession we had we should of won.
There are several reasons we lost.
1. Skill errors. Every single player today turned the ball over at least once. Some many more than others.
2. Wrong choices. Sometimes im not sure if our players are dumb or trying to follow some sort of team rules. Handballing to players under preasure is not smart.
3. Not taking chances. Bad kicking is bad football. Many guilty here. Again some more than others
4. Game plan. Kicking sidways and slow movement up forward.
5. Lack of leadership. Leaders change the game, ours didnt.
6. Passengers. Which leads me to
The final point was that this game was lost at the selection committee. Lets hope it doesnt take till middle of the year to realize the mistakes and fix them. Im sure they think they are doing the right things but they need to step back and have a good hard look .
This. Well summed up Fluffy.
Our total lack of awareness of where opponents were was incredible :help.
We still have too many players that are mentally soft and/or lazy. I was behind the goals on Saturday, so I had a good view of what our defenders with the ball were seeing upfield. The number of Tigers standing still or slow walking was astonishing. Either in transition (both offensively and defensively) and on the spread, Bulldog players lead us to position by 20m. It was disgraceful. It just summed up an attitude of leaving it to someone else to do the hard work and just destroyed any chance of us moving the ball quickly and directly.
On the few times we did out-stuff the Dogs have someone hard running into space, the ballcarrier failed to hit the target by some margin or we would overuse the handball :banghead until we literally handed possession back to the Bulldogs. The latter was like we were trying to play too perfect football or we were just selfish and passing the buck of responsibility. Trying to avoid taking a risk to the point of ridiculous insanity :help. There were many instances but the two moments that summed up our day was ...
(i) In the 3rd quarter, we had kicked two quick goals to get back into the game and had the momentum. We won the contested ball on the members-side HF stuff at the Punt Road end and sweep a chain of handballs back to the central corridor 50m out. Rather than anyone having a shot at goal, we continued handballing sideways and a Bulldog intercepted and they ran it down for a goal :banghead.
(ii) The one already pointed out where Batch switches a long kick to outer wing. We again had the game momentum at that time. The kick doesn't hit the target and Ellis and Vlastuin ballwatch expecting the other to go for it (Ellis from memory peels off expecting Floss to get and give him the ball). Only the Doggie player goes for the ball and they get an easy goal. Another momentum killer :banghead.
As for your point 5, Fluffy. He wasn't the only 'leader' to do it and I love Cotch as a footballer but as captain when we are 3 goals down with 8 mins to go, you can't just chip 15m sideways on a HBF. He did this twice in about a minute. I'd rather he take a risk and stuff up than just concede. It's poor body language to the rest of the team. Then there were other senior players who just produced sloppy aimless kicks out of frustration. Our leaders have to mentally much better than this.
I hope the match review is shown a number of times. Most of the team should be totally embarrassed and ashamed by their soft, lazy and selfish 'efforts' on Saturday.
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No1 complained of on field leadership last year in the back half when it was impressive. Yet I don't recall anything major Hardwick did tactically to turn our season around.
With respect Pope, I'm always questioning our leadership. Even during that run last year. I have major concerns about it, have for quite some time now. It's just on days like to day the lack of leadership shines like a beacon, unfortunately
So who should be Captain in your opinion?
:cheers
Have answered this many times and did so again in another thread on Saturday evening
But based solely on leadership and not current form I'd have Ivan Maric as captain. He is the best leader at our club by a long way IMESHO
I'd also throw Rance out as an option but I don't think it is a position he covets so I am not sure he'd make a good captain
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Underachieving now and certainly last 2 years.
Was 2012 overachieving or what we should expect every week?
Frankly I want 2012.
The way we played, everything. All it needed was an inexperienced team to grow into that style of play with minor adjustments and we were well on our way. Port circa 2013/14
We have lost that 2012 fluent transition mojo.
Remember the Hawks game and Dusty's 12 second coast to coast goal.
The first quarter against the Swans a fortnight earlier.
Dimma and the coaching staff have tinkered with something the was naturally superior and turned it to something that is average and occassionally better than average for fear of prolonged success.
All we are know is potentially successful and the club seems happy with that.
Do I call it fear of failure or fear of success?
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Cotch in a nutshell.
Dusty in a nutshell.
Not knowing what to do with Lids.
Maric was on fire.
Defence was coming together nicely.
Will cost Dimma his job at some time in the next 18 months.
Back to where we were in 2012 after that.
Typical RFC. Delayed in everything on field. :help
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I'd also throw Rance out as an option but I don't think it is a position he covets so I am not sure he'd make a good captain
Might help keep Rance at the club.
Can someone make the suggestion to Cotch?
:cheers
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Didnt want to comment until I rewatched it this Morning. So many ponits have been made, most of which you have to agree with after a loss like that. With our abity to get the ball and the amount of possession we had we should of won.
There are several reasons we lost.
1. Skill errors. Every single player today turned the ball over at least once. Some many more than others.
2. Wrong choices. Sometimes im not sure if our players are dumb or trying to follow some sort of team rules. Handballing to players under preasure is not smart.
3. Not taking chances. Bad kicking is bad football. Many guilty here. Again some more than others
4. Game plan. Kicking sidways and slow movement up forward.
5. Lack of leadership. Leaders change the game, ours didnt.
6. Passengers. Which leads me to
The final point was that this game was lost at the selection committee. Lets hope it doesnt take till middle of the year to realize the mistakes and fix them. Im sure they think they are doing the right things but they need to step back and have a good hard look .
we have seen this many times before
1/ down to pressure . too many have failed time and time again when its applied.
2/ ah dumb footballers again when time and space is taken away the mistakes flow. too many just dont handle pressure we have seen it time and time again.
3/ skills lots of em dont tick the boxes and its worse when you guessed it under pressure.
4/ ah everything falls to pieces when we cant play on our terms. we like bruise free footy and when it fails there is not enough talent to even go one v one.
5/ maybe we dont have leaders or maybe they are under siege.
6/ always had em and atm we always will. its one thing to complain about the quality of player in the side, but is there really enough players below who can do better and make a difference. not imo.
so i cant agree the game was lost at selection. dont think any changes would have made much difference.
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Point 4, we don't have the skill one on one i think is and has been our Achilles heels for many years. Any coach when playing against us would simply go man on man and be confident that on most occasions his players would beat ours one on one. I would have thought this would have received major focus during the off season but it would appear not. Another major area of concern is our inability to apply a tackle whereby the opposition player cannot dispose of the ball legally. We seem to allow the opposition to swivel around and then handball, again i would have though this would be an area covered during the off season. My final comment and no wonder Tiger supporters i know are bald but how many times did we have 3 or 4 Tigers and one opposition player around the attacking 50 arc and streaming through the corridor we still couldn't nail what i would think to be a standard 20-30 metre kick and hit a target. Absolute momentum killers and turn games especially in these times of quick transition.
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Got to stop blaming the coach. These are basic player errors. Basic reading of the game & lack of aggression. Lack of attacking the ball. We have passengers of plenty who fail to commit themselves to win the ball. Basic kicking errors. These are the responsibility of the players.
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Got to stop blaming the coach. These are basic player errors. Basic reading of the game & lack of aggression. Lack of attacking the ball. We have passengers of plenty who fail to commit themselves to win the ball. Basic kicking errors. These are the responsibility of the players.
No way. The coach must take some responsibility for every one of those factors you just listed. He could start by dropping players who don't commit. He's too soft, Dimma.
Geez, why pay a coach so much if he has no responsibility for what happens on field?
Yes, the players are too blame but so is the coach.
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Our lack of leadership continues to be our biggest issue IMESHO
Indictment that it was Chaplin at 3qtr time trying to fire us the troops
Biggest issues are our disposal efficiency and decision making. We badly missed Lids. The turnovers made by us were critical. We overused the ball particularly over handpassing.
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Coaches' votes: (Hardwick & Beveridge)
9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
9 Alex Rance (Rich)
6 Tory Dickson (WB)
3 Rob Murphy (WB)
2 Matthew Boyd (WB)
1 Dustin Martin (Rich)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-13/fyfe-flies-to-the-top
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Was a really poor performance. Our decision making and use of the ball was poor. Repeatedly we would handpass to someone under the pump. Our inability to kick a goal in the first three quarters from roving inside our forward 50 is a real worry. The Dogs used the ball better and got it out of defence far too easily. Poor team selections meant we were deficient in leg speed and critically poise. If we are to progress as a club need to take chances and stop putting games into players that are not the future of the club eg Petterd.
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Does anyone else notice that Martin get's a lot of his possession's from receiving a handball out the back rather than running to a position upfield??