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Title: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on May 22, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
The Inquirer: Numbers can lie
afl.com.au
May 22, 2015


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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-22/the-inquirer-numbers-can-lie
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: (•))(©™ on May 22, 2015, 02:06:21 PM
5th graders everywhere are barring up.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: lamington on May 22, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
I really liked this article. Namely because pretty my everyone on this forum agrees that Brandon Ellis is not very damaging with his 25+ disposals. I'm glad that there is some sort of quantification that reaffirms this.

Not sure if Brandon reads news about himself but hopefully it's something he works on because considering he often goes untagged, it would be an absolute asset if he hurt the opposition with his disposal
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 22, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
Not sure if Brandon reads news about himself but hopefully it's something he works on because considering he often goes untagged, it would be an absolute asset if he hurt the opposition with his disposal

Agree

Said it before if Ellis B, wants to hurt the opposition the dink little chip kicks isn't going to cut it
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: tdy on May 22, 2015, 04:20:04 PM
How is Jeremy Cameron the most wasteful forward. If you could clone him you'd put 3 of him in your forward 50 and other teams would cack their dacks.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on May 22, 2015, 04:35:24 PM
The only thing Ellis does well is finds the footy. Nothing else
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: big tone on May 22, 2015, 05:28:34 PM
Who would have thought?... But he gets so many kicks?... :shh
At least he has a chance to turn it around.  :cheers
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: (•))(©™ on May 22, 2015, 06:35:22 PM
Look, he's a better player than he's been
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 22, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
Look, he's a better player than he's been

Oh look, Matty Whites been fantastic for us this yea.......what's that? He's at Port Adelaide now? Well what did we get for hi.....Nothing??!!...*cough cough*....poo, erm....look, well...erm, oh look, Brendon Ellis's stats may not appear to be effective, but in a funny sort of way, the numbers say he has been very effective, and that's important to us
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Chuck17 on May 22, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
Whites poo only good for the highlight reel

Prefer Ellis any day of the week
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Andyy on May 22, 2015, 11:47:24 PM
Westhoff, Dawes, Podsiadly, Darling and Black...

VS

Cameron, Kennedy, Cloke, Schulz and Walker...


Spin the numbers however you want. I know which five forwards I'd rather have...
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Yeahright on May 23, 2015, 12:44:19 AM
The only thing Ellis does well is finds the footy. Nothing else

Good endurance, good over head
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Andyy on May 23, 2015, 01:23:15 AM
Can kick a good goal. Would consider trying him forward personally
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: dogged on May 23, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
Lets see! as I understand it they have rationalised each player against 30 possies, this is what I don't get, how can you?.... if it takes say Matty white nearly three games to get them whereas Brandon Ellis nearly averages that per game. If my Aunty had gonads she'd be my Uncle.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 23, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
Lets see! as I understand it they have rationalised each player against 30 possies, this is what I don't get, how can you?.... if it takes say Matty white nearly three games to get them whereas Brandon Ellis nearly averages that per game. If my Aunty had gonads she'd be my Uncle.

Effective disposals vs non-effective. Metres gained. Goal assists. And others. It's pretty easy to paint the picture. All the statisticians at the ground look at these and other measures.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: bojangles17 on May 23, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
Strange article , would typically take Matt white a fortnight to knock up 30 possies  :shh just going on facts, others might see it different
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Yeahright on May 23, 2015, 11:15:27 AM
Lets see! as I understand it they have rationalised each player against 30 possies, this is what I don't get, how can you?.... if it takes say Matty white nearly three games to get them whereas Brandon Ellis nearly averages that per game. If my Aunty had gonads she'd be my Uncle.

Effective disposals vs non-effective. Metres gained. Goal assists. And others. It's pretty easy to paint the picture. All the statisticians at the ground look at these and other measures.

What about % of time on field, how many disposals prior to the first one, position played and contested v non contested.
I could imagine it's a lot harder for B.Ellis to continually hit targets when he's running through the midfield all day every day racking up kicks whereas Matt White sits on a half forward stuff getting the odd kick now and again.

That being said, Ellis' kicks have been absolutely awful as of late :banghead
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on May 23, 2015, 11:48:12 AM
Edwards :thumbsup
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Edwards our top midfielder; B.Ellis our worst (afl site)
Post by: Chuck17 on May 25, 2015, 03:10:04 PM
Well we all seen high impact Matt White at his best.

FFS didnt even give a highlight reel moment

Even the dumb poo commentators can see it and said that if the team isnt performing neither is Matt White