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Hall of Fame AFL writer Mike Sheahan says skills concern him in footy for first time in 50 years
Max Laughton
FOX SPORTS
July 16, 2015
HALL of Fame journalist and former Herald Sun chief football writer Mike Sheahan says players’ skills in the AFL concern him for the first time in 50 years.
Sheahan made the comments on Wednesday night’s AFL 360 when discussing the current congested state of football.
“Probably for the first time in watching this game for half a century, I’m concerned about the skills of the game,” Sheahan said.
“The ball being turned over as often as it is now, the lack of the one-on-one stuff and the lack of pure highlights” were some of the complaints Sheahan had about the state of the game.
Sheahan said he didn’t know why it was happening, suggesting that it could have been the AFL’s recent expansion.
“Now whether that goes to too many teams, I’m not sure,” he said. “Maybe it is that 18 teams are too many.”
Fellow panellist and former Carlton premiership captain Mark Maclure suggested the high pressure applied by most teams was to blame.
“Maybe there’s too many people around the ball so you can’t get any clarity.”
Sheahan agreed, saying that current players “can’t get a clear kick, can’t get a clear handball. You can’t get anything.”
“Skills are terrible.”
During the discussion, David King suggested instead that the biggest issue was the lack of scoring.
“People go to the football to see highlights, to see players do the absolutely wonderful acts,” King said.
Only two teams are currently averaging over 100 points per game — Hawthorn and West Coast, with the fourth ranked team (North Melbourne) not averaging 90.
“It’s all linked, it’s all part of the stoppage argument as well,” he pointed out.
“We’re just losing too many minutes of football, it’s become so structured.”
Mark Maclure said that the biggest issue was instead the number of interchanges allowed.
Maclure called for the AFL to cut it down from 120 interchanges per game to 40.
“Sports science has actually hijacked that area,” Maclure said.
“We’ve got to start somewhere … if we go back to 90, go back to 100, that’s not change.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hall-of-fame-afl-writer-mike-sheahan-says-skills-concern-him-in-footy-for-first-time-in-50-years/story-fni5f22o-1227443321002
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18 v 18
No bench. Easy. Next.
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yeah and you will be the first to whine when we finish a game with 17 or less on the ground and lose.
mclure hit the nail on the head. it is the pressure and rolling zones.
the overall kicking skills are much better than 50 years ago, where the ball was just kicked from contest to contest, as often as not.
there are very few blokes running around with the kicking skills of duncan kellaway, tony shaw, darren gaspel et al
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yeah and you will be the first to whine when we finish a game with 17 or less on the ground and lose.
mclure hit the nail on the head. it is the pressure and rolling zones.
the overall kicking skills are much better than 50 years ago, where the ball was just kicked from contest to contest, as often as not.
there are very few blokes running around with the kicking skills of duncan kellaway
Erm, no I'd be fine with injury
It'd be good to watch 17 v 18
Worth it. It worked it the past its the way the game is sposed to be
Rolling Zones like wce press are effective and can not be stopped. Unless there is netball types rules, or 18 v 18. The current game is very ugly
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In the VFL/AFL, the number of interchanges allowed has followed the following time-line:
Prior to 1930 – there was no means for either substitution or interchange. A team played with 17 on the field (19 prior to 1899) if a player was injured.
1930 – the introduction of a single substitute
1946 – the introduction of a second substitute
1978 – the replacement of two substitutes with two interchanges
1994 – the introduction of a third interchange
1998 – the introduction of a fourth interchange
2011 – the replacement of four interchanges with three interchanges and a substitute
2014 – the addition of an interchange cap at 120
1930 or 1946 rules for me.
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i thought you didnt like the sub rule?
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i thought you didnt like the sub rule?
One, or two subs.That can come on once, with no other interchange bench. Is a very different kettle of fi
I think in its current form, its unfair to the player choosen.
I most don't like the current state of the game as its ugly
18v18 (maybe with one or two sub's) would fix everything Returning tthe beauty of the game, better skills even if the players are more tired, the forward pocket and rover would come back etc.
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wot?
how is playing 1 quarter unfair now, but fair in the 1930s?
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wot?
how is playing 1 quarter unfair now, but fair in the 1930s?
In regards to ranking things I do not like: first would be the game is crap and very ugly. Like wce defending with everyone 70 meters from the attacking goal. (Yet very effective)
To fix this, play 18v18
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ahh, i see.
changes to suit
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ahh, i see.
changes to suit
no
changes to make the game less pooe than its been for 15 years
I feel we are not developing c ellis , lennon, McIntosh by giving them ten mins as a sub
but in the greater universe the priority should be fixing the game from a rugby maul running, backwards kicking fest
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wot?
how is playing 1 quarter unfair now, but fair in the 1930s?
Because back then there was no interchange to give them a chance to come on and off, so I somewhat agree. The argument that it's unfair on the young ones because of limited game time is silly though because nothing will stop them from being the sub if this eventuated anyway (the one sub no interchange)
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ahh, i see.
changes to suit
no
changes to make the game less pooe than its been for 15 years
I feel we are not developing c ellis , lennon, McIntosh by giving them ten mins as a sub
but in the greater universe the priority should be fixing the game from a rugby maul running, backwards kicking fest
yet under your proposal, collectively they will get less game time.
you dislike having a young bloke get small game time as a sub, yet you propose a system than promotes this?
as i said, changes to suit. ie you are all over the place like a mad woman.
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exactly.
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under the current set of circumstances we find our self in:
Richmond are at times not developing players well - lennon, McIntosh, c ellis - by playing them ten mins as the sub instead on in the twos. Or the senior 21. They current laws of game means someone has to play this role.
under the ideal set of circumstance that Mr Kevin Barlett and I agree would be better, football like it was in the past
less players would play because it would be 18 v 18. Yet every team would be in the same position.
And the game would benefit cause it would go back to the way it was intended to be
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:lol
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yeah, keep laughing fool
meanwhile soccer is overtaking the country :shh
why? cause the game Sheahan used to love is just a running race with few skills
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yeah, keep laughing at the fool constantly contradicting himself
meanwhile soccer is overtaking the country :shh
why? cause the game Sheahan used to love is just a running race with few skills
will do :thumbsup
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what? come on
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Anyone watch the '85 prelim between Hawthorn & Footscray last night?
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Anyone watch the '85 prelim between Hawthorn & Footscray last night?
No.
Did the back pockets defend from the half forward flank?
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Pure footy 1985
18 position s
Always kick forward
Contest
Plough^
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Plough: footy died 97-2000 ish
Rodney eade flooding ---- to today , wce type forward press evolution
He is also reckons:
Around the same time footy took on elements of hockey and soccer.
Instead of "playing in lines". (Pure footy)
The game stopped being pure, when ttrying to stop the strong lions team
Clarko took it to another level
(Plough summary)
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Commentators in the last quarter described it as a low scoring match - final score was 101 - 91.
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* team back line
* basketball like zone
* Geelong "first to zone" "noticeable zone"
* al is a tossel
* Clarko got it perfect 2008
* Hodge back pocket / general / quarterback
* its a myth the game changed a lot in '78 (handball, handball, handball
(Plough)
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Edit
Someone said the game changed definitively ; 2000
Wallace footscray flood vs the undefeated drug cheats
I agree somewhat
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In summary the Denver broncos invented the flood for Wallace, that became the press (rosslyon/WCE)
There u go :o
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:lol
Did you write the words to the Skyhooks song "living in the 70'S"?
" I need another pill just to calm me down"
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He could always get a gig advising Jade the Blade....
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Footy hasn't been the same for old Mike since Norm Smith was sacked 50 years ago and his beloved Melbourne turned to crap :wallywink. If you had to watch the Dees play every week year after year for the past decade then no wonder he thinks footy skills are worse than ever :lol.
It's nostalgic garbage. There were plenty of shocking and skill-less games back in a day. Any of us who have lived through the past 35 years saw plenty of them dished up by ours Tigers :P :help. What was different back when I was a young kid (late 70s/early 80s) was you didn't see the terrible games on TV. With all 6 VFL matches on Saturday afternoons, all you got was about a quarter from the match of the round on Seven's Big League each Saturday night, followed on Sunday on World of Sport by short snippets of a couple of marks and goals from the other games. The only full game on TV was the Grand Final until the Swans moved up to Sydney in 1982 and Ch 7 started showing full games of Sydney games on Sunday arvo. Nowdays, you can watch all 9 games on Fox including all the bottom sides every week. It's bloody Carlton having so many Friday night games this year that has hurt Friday night footy on free to air. No matter what era, neutral viewers don't want to watch crap teams predictably getting flogged in one-sided games.
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* team back line
* basketball like zone
* Geelong "first to zone" "noticeable zone"
* al is a tossel
* Clarko got it perfect 2008
* Hodge back pocket / general / quarterback
* its a myth the game changed a lot in '78 (handball, handball, handball
(Plough)
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Edit
Someone said the game changed definitively ; 2000
Wallace footscray flood vs the undefeated drug cheats
I agree somewhat
I don't even know wtf you are saying or agreeing with!! :huh :huh :huh
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i'd be concerned if you did
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In Slava only potato. And suffering, but mostly potato.
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* team back line
* basketball like zone
* Geelong "first to zone" "noticeable zone"
* al is a tossel
* Clarko got it perfect 2008
* Hodge back pocket / general / quarterback
* its a myth the game changed a lot in '78 (handball, handball, handball
(Plough)
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Edit
Someone said the game changed definitively ; 2000
Wallace footscray flood vs the undefeated drug cheats
I agree somewhat
I don't even know wtf you are saying or agreeing with!! :huh :huh :huh
I was trying do summary of what said as he was saying it. But from a phone :o
I agree with KB, the game is broken
Does anything think it is not?
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There were times tonight, when almost everyone was in one 50m arce ::)
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Im with jokin joe stalin and his merry bunch of bolsheviks. Footy zones are just awful to watch. Dull dull dull. Go back to the 90s and norf kicking long. They only had 2 subs and they didnt use them much. So 2 subs 20 rotations total. Enough to cover injuries but not fatigue. Also have the ump declare a zone is in play by the defensive team and allow special attacking rules during the zone play because zones will still happen. Allow forwards to block and push in the back during zone play but not defenders. So 18 defenders in a zone 16 attackers block a path for their full forward legally who can then push his opposite number out of they way. Thus making floods and zones ineffective.
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Coaches in those days on used interchange mainly for injuries or to drag someone. North of the 90s wouldn't get away with Pagan's paddock these days even with just two interchange. We've cut the interchange from 4 down to 3 and put a cap on rotations and yet teams still flood back and stoppages have increased.