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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stalin on July 25, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
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But y kick in middle
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2 hours of effort down the drain. This is DISGRACEFUL.
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bloody moron.....kicked it to a 1 on 4...
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Wasn't alone with brain fades today, Rance had two of the best.
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Was honestly shocking all game and was probably the only one who wasn't performing and literally cost us the game. Took too long to pull the trigger on an already dangerous kick and then didn't even put it to Lamberts advantage
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Wasn't alone with brain fades today, Rance had two of the best.
Yeah. Thats right. Cover the back of the guy who couldn't close the game out. You may as well barrack for Essendon or Hawthorn accepting...NO...encouraging the loss.
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Was honestly shocking all game and was probably the only one who wasn't performing and literally cost us the game. Took too long to pull the trigger on an already dangerous kick and then didn't even put it to Lamberts advantage
The water bottle
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Brain fade idiot.
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His decision was a shocker, but Martin cost us a goal with the water bottle and all the team together cost themselves the game with kicking at goal - 6 times hitting the post and missing shots from 20 metres. We were better than them today, we were not unlucky we lost, we lost because we handed them the game. Anyway maybe the players will learn next time.
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Game like this you have to take moment by moment as a player.
My first instinct as a player when we are in front in the last quarter in a tight contest with x amount of mins on the scoreboard is to kick it 15-20 metres left or right and take the boundary.
stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you see the water bottle? It was nothing. Pathetic pedantic decision given by some idiot with too much power.
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Did you see the water bottle? It was nothing. Pathetic pedantic decision given by some idiot with too much power.
I know soccer has its downsides too, but Australian Rules Footy is in trouble IMHO ...
Its getting pretty silly ...
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there were some very good moments in this game for us. what todays game showed is that we are a real deal team in terms of being a 4 to 6th placed side. We need some more good players sure - but today we should have won anyway. We gave away 4 points and its a shame but that's how it goes sometimes.
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Settle petal, wrong decision but there were many lost shots at goal that would have avouded this supposed cataclysmic decision, dont hang it on bacher, 1, three putt doesnt make a bad round
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there were some very good moments in this game for us. what todays game showed is that we are a real deal team in terms of being a 4 to 6th placed side. We need some more good players sure - but today we should have won anyway. We gave away 4 points and its a shame but that's how it goes sometimes.
This is spot on, Ramps. There were times in that game where in the past we would have dropped our heads. Slowly turning the corner. Almost there but just not quite yet
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In retrospect maybe we should have had Griff take the kick out. He could have pumped it 60 metres up the boundary, would have been enough. Houli with his hit and miss slap it on the boot style looks good when it works but when it doesn't it costs us dearly.
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Just goes to show we still have dumb footballers in our team. What is he 27/28 and making that kind of mistake.
Good captains goal cotch. Nice mate and Griffiths well done pal. Our tall stocks are in great shape with you
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Don't blame Houli, where the stuff was Batch??????? Always goes missing in these games.
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Just goes to show we still have dumb footballers in our team. What is he 27/28 and making that kind of mistake.
Good captains goal cotch. Nice mate and Griffiths well done pal. Our tall stocks are in great shape with you
It's actually a joke. Mainly because it's under the pretense the we are decent. Freo are so out of form.....straight sets finals losses coming up....
we....we are worse.
Finishing like balls. A rusted on crock of poo.
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Was like watching a boxer on his last legs and we couldn't deliver the knockout blow only to then walk straight into the sucker punch and end up on the canvas ourselves.
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Don't blame Houli, where the stuff was Batch??????? Always goes missing in these games.
Thought Batch was solid. Never gets much of it but didn't see him get beaten except I think he got beat once by Sandi
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Just goes to show we still have dumb footballers in our team. What is he 27/28 and making that kind of mistake.
Good captains goal cotch. Nice mate and Griffiths well done pal. Our tall stocks are in great shape with you
It's actually a joke. Mainly because it's under the pretense the we are decent. Freo are so out of form.....straight sets finals losses coming up....
we....we are worse.
Finishing like balls. A rusted on crock of poo.
You've been waiting for a loss like this haven't you?
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One bad decision didn't cost us the game, goal kicking did along with a lack of composure.
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In retrospect maybe we should have had Griff take the kick out. He could have pumped it 60 metres up the boundary, would have been enough. Houli with his hit and miss slap it on the boot style looks good when it works but when it doesn't it costs us dearly.
Most assuredly.
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Had more than enough time to assess the situation - it was an unfathomale decision. As good as he can be, fact is he's still a bit of a panic merchant under genuine pressure. Griffiths or Martin should've taken the kick.
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Just goes to show we still have dumb footballers in our team. What is he 27/28 and making that kind of mistake.
Good captains goal cotch. Nice mate and Griffiths well done pal. Our tall stocks are in great shape with you
It's actually a joke. Mainly because it's under the pretense the we are decent. Freo are so out of form.....straight sets finals losses coming up....
we....we are worse.
Finishing like balls. A rusted on crock of poo.
You've been waiting for a loss like this haven't you?
On the contrary, as opposed to the silent acceptors, some of the Richmond supporters hope for a better future. It's called winning.
You on the other hand keep rolling with what ever should happen. It's all good and even at worse a season of losses is awesome and defendable.
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was terrible all game, that iced it. Sure he wasn't alone today, we shot ourselves in the foot time and again.. but seriously that was an unacceptable decision
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That's a play for when you need a score to win.
U dumb idiot, Bacha
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I'm gutted
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Look. I don't buy the 'others made more consequential decisions' earlier rubbish.
With increased consequences comes increased responsibilities.
Bachar made his decision to kick to 5 on 1 in the context that mistakes HAD been made and we WERE only 3 pts up.
By the timing and nature of the error, it is incomprehensible and Unacceptable.
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And if you are comfortable making excuses otherwise, you are comfortable with losing
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3 v 1
with 2 more freo players commin' in
mind blowing really :-\
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:snidegrin
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If you watch it you can see the Freo players realise what was going to happen and start running to cover the position and 5 seconds later Houli finally see's Lambert yet still pulls the trigger. Slow.
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SNIP :banghead :banghead
We get that people are peeved
But
1/ keep the racial nonsense off the forum or you will receive a strike
2/ those who are swearing knowing the swear filter will do the editing keep it up and you will enjoy a 72 hour trip to the swear bench
No more warnings
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Obvious joke obviously not obvious enough for some....
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Wp most of us sane people are anti neo Nazi but it was still funny
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silly decision to go up the middle.but for me this just adds to my opinion that players like Houli,Hunt,pettard ,Gordon etc are not capable of taking us the next step ,they need to be turned over
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Should never have been in that position, hit the post 6 times, Griffiths easy set shots and Cotchin couldn't even score from 35 metres......that's the ball game there
Crozier goals from the pocket, Pavlich pressure shot after that insipid free kick
That's the difference between us and the better sides, they love the pressure whilst we buckle under it
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silly decision to go up the middle.but for me this just adds to my opinion that players like Houli,Hunt,pettard ,Gordon etc are not capable of taking us the next step ,they need to be turned over
Thank you. Hunt Gordon and Lloyd are shocking. Houli not much better. One mistake just reinforces his glaring weakness, none more so than his brain.
Stupid footballer probably didn't hasn't eaten all day
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they set the same trap all day, and that dumb stuffer fell for it at the worst possible time. how the hell does an AFL player make such a dumb decision when every footballer in country knows what should be done in that situation?
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Should never have been in that position, hit the post 6 times, Griffiths easy set shots and Cotchin couldn't even score from 35 metres......that's the ball game there
Crozier goals from the pocket, Pavlich pressure shot after that insipid free kick
That's the difference between us and the better sides, they love the pressure whilst we buckle under it
So very true.
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Both Sugark and Al's post sum up my views. Bachar's kick was quite unbelievable given the circumstances. He may not have "lost the game" for us but that kick was the reason we ended up losing.
Cotchin, Dusty & Jack had the opportunity to prevent Bachar's mistake cost us the game but didn't.
The umpire was responsible for Pavlich kicking that goal - not to mention the other 3 or 4 goals that Freo got from free kicks or 50m penalties.
In the end it wasn't the better team that won but the more composed team who made the most of their opportunities.
That's our opportunity to improve.
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SNIP :banghead :banghead
We get that people are peeved
But
1/ keep the racial nonsense off the forum or you will receive a strike
2/ those who are swearing knowing the swear filter will do the editing keep it up and you will enjoy a 72 hour trip to the swear bench
No more warnings
I thought that was what the swear filter was for, to tone down the actual word being used so we could do it and get the point across?
Are you saying that we cant do that now? If not why don't you just create a filter that removes the word entirely??
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they set the same trap all day, and that dumb stuffer fell for it at the worst possible time. how the hell does an AFL player make such a dumb decision when every footballer in country knows what should be done in that situation?
Exactly.
The golfing equivalent of hitting it in the opposite direction of the pin, on the 18th hole.
The racing equivalent of taking the outside line on the final lap.
Worse decision by a footballer at this level all year.
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My question is Why have team rules if breaking them has no consequence?
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My question is Why have team rules if breaking them has no consequence?
Just saw an ad for "multicultural week" on the TV. FMD!
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My question is Why have team rules if breaking them has no consequence?
Just saw an ad for "multicultural week" on the TV. FMD!
That's why there won't be for our man Houli. Add to that the fact that these players are cotton wooled these days for fear of hurting their feelings
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My question is Why have team rules if breaking them has no consequence?
Just saw an ad for "multicultural week" on the TV. FMD!
That's why there won't be for our man Houli. Add to that the fact that these players are cotton wooled these days for fear of hurting their feelings
I'd like to punch him in the face and hurt his feelings that way. Just saying...
All things aside, I had a 4 leg multi yesterday with Freeo to win as 1 of them. $1450 later..
Nice little bunsen burner! :cheers
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Some what of an oxymoron isn't it? expected to play a physical testing, emotional, "man's" game, to put it all out there!! BUT let's not hurt anybody's feelings if they deliberately go outside team rules. I still wonder if there is a place for "If you can't handle the heat then..." . How do sides get better and eliminate weaknesses if there are no consequences because of a players feelings.
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Some what of an oxymoron isn't it? expected to play a physical testing, emotional, "man's" game, to put it all out there!! BUT let's not hurt anybody's feelings if they deliberately go outside team rules. I still wonder if there is a place for "If you can't handle the heat then..." . How do sides get better and eliminate weaknesses if there are no consequences because of a players feelings.
I recon it goes deeper than that. The RFC are too scared to trade players out at the risk of hurting players feelings.
What is the bet we don't trade any of our players out at years end?
But we seriously need to if we are to take another step forward.
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think you might be off the mark on that.
you cant trade a player if he doesn't want to go, something Hardwick has said a couple of times should be changed.
Im not sure if it has actually come from the club or is supposition, but it has been mentioned that they have had trades fall through because the player didn't agree to go.
this certainly seems to be a bugear of hardwicks, so id say there is fair chance it has happened.
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Any chance the members can get an apology from Bachar and colleagues?
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Any chance the members can get an apology from Bachar and colleagues?
Would "Sorry" Suffice.
Like tomorrow if RFCO puts "Sorry" as the leading header on the website will that make you happier? ;D
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Some sort of national sorry day perhaps
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Any chance the members can get an apology from Bachar and colleagues?
Would "Sorry" Suffice.
Like tomorrow if RFCO puts "Sorry" as the leading header on the website will that make you happier? ;D
......maybe. Would depend if it's genuine.
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Some sort of national sorry day perhaps
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-26/i-went-away-from-the-team-rules-admits-houli-after-docker-shocker
I guess admitting to a mistake is sort of like a sorry....
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I thought that was what the swear filter was for, to tone down the actual word being used so we could do it and get the point across?
Are you saying that we cant do that now? If not why don't you just create a filter that removes the word entirely??
This forum has been running for over 10 years. The rules about swearing have been there since day 1 and it is actually rule number 1
1. No swearing or abusive language. The forum does have a “swear filter” and some people (like myself) are pretty lousy at typing but continually posting to test the filter will result in the member firstly being warned and then dropped to the “swear bench” for 7 days.
Refer
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13.0
Suggest you have re-read
Only thing we don't do is swear bench for 7 days, we usually start at 48 hours, but thank you for getting me to find the rule for you. Think 7 days may be the right way to go, a first strike
Great idea thank you WAT :thumbsup
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I thought that was what the swear filter was for, to tone down the actual word being used so we could do it and get the point across?
Are you saying that we cant do that now? If not why don't you just create a filter that removes the word entirely??
This forum has been running for over 10 years. The rules about swearing have been there since day 1 and it is actually rule number 1
1. No swearing or abusive language. The forum does have a “swear filter” and some people (like myself) are pretty lousy at typing but continually posting to test the filter will result in the member firstly being warned and then dropped to the “swear bench” for 7 days.
Refer
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13.0
Suggest you have re-read
Only thing we don't do is swear bench for 7 days, we usually start at 48 hours, but thank you for getting me to find the rule for you. Think 7 days may be the right way to go, a first strike
Great idea thank you WAT :thumbsup
I could post the txt I sent my sons straight after the game yesterday, discussing the umpires magnificent contribution to the contest. That would give your swear filter a workout WP!! ;D
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what's the difference between typing stuff and having the swear filter change it to stuff, and just typing stuff, where you may actually mean stuff, or stuff ?
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what's the difference between typing stuff and having the swear filter change it to stuff, and just typing stuff, where you may actually mean stuff, or stuff ?
Because when someone reports a post we get to see what people have actually typed. :gobdrop
There was some very nasty stuff yesterday, that went way overboard, hence the warning
If someone types "mother *" and it shows as mother stuff it's pretty clear what they typed
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WC up 53 -12 over the Swanettes at half-time...so we might've been in the Top 4 by tonight - thanks again Bachar....
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what's the difference between typing stuff and having the swear filter change it to stuff, and just typing stuff, where you may actually mean stuff, or stuff ?
Because when someone reports a post we get to see what people have actually typed. :gobdrop
There was some very nasty stuff yesterday, that went way overboard, hence the warning
If someone types "mother *" and it shows as mother stuff it's pretty clear what they typed
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Well, just ban swearing all together then. That would be the simple solution.
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I didn't really want a 2nd chance anyway
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At least also delete al's post which is now completely out of context and looks like it was in reply to mine...
sorted
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cheers
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But y kick in middle
Houli admitted today it was a brainfade.
'I went away from the team rules' admits Houli after Docker shocker
Jason Phelan
AAP
July 26, 2015
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli admits he had a mental blank when he committed his horror last-minute turnover against Fremantle.
The Tigers were clinging to a two-point lead when Houli brought the ball back into play after a Dockers' behind with just over a minute left at the MCG on Saturday night.
Houli amazingly chose to kick long to a teammate outnumbered three-to-one in the centre square, with the resultant turnover setting up David Mundy's match-winner with 31 seconds left on the clock.
"I guess I went away from the team rules. I don't know what it was ... just a blank situation," Houli told Channel Seven.
"I saw a player free in the middle and just chose to kick it. I knew as I kicked it that it was the wrong decision.
"I've learnt from that and I will move on. There will be many more situations in life where I will take the wrong decision or make a mistake ... it's about learning and moving forward."
Coach Damien Hardwick refused to lay the blame for the four-point loss at Houli's feet, pointing instead to Richmond's woeful inaccuracy in front of goal in a wayward display that included six posters.
Houli was quick to dust himself off after the mistake, declaring he would "definitely" take the kick-ins next week when the Tigers take on Hawthorn.
"I will take the first one," he said.
"I guarantee you on that one."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-26/i-went-away-from-the-team-rules-admits-houli-after-docker-shocker
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think you might be off the mark on that.
you cant trade a player if he doesn't want to go, something Hardwick has said a couple of times should be changed.
Im not sure if it has actually come from the club or is supposition, but it has been mentioned that they have had trades fall through because the player didn't agree to go.
this certainly seems to be a bugear of hardwicks, so id say there is fair chance it has happened.
Certain player languishing in the two's :shh
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I really do love bavha. Still my favourite Muslim :cheers
But, ideally. Deledio or vlastuin would play in his position. And he would be vfl waiting in wings
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With 1 minute to go i'd have said to Griffiths to take the kick out and kick it as far as humanly possible.
Suppose it's hard to communicate that message given the time it takes for him to go from the fwd to back ... but it's such a weapon to have. Should use it more often.
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You might love Bacha but it seems Jack doesn't.
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Carey tonight blamed more the execution of the kick rather than the risky decision to go down the corridor. He said Lambert was free but Houli's kick was terrible (30m to Lambert's right). Watson and Darcy both disagreed. Both said you never ever kick there in that situation when you are 4 points up with a minute to go. Defenders train to know how far they can peel off from an opponent per distance and still close down the space. You would only do that risky kick if you're trailing with a minute to go. From the overhead vision, there was also a free Richmond player by the outer side boundary 50m out with space behind him which was the right option to go to.
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Carey tonight blamed more the execution of the kick rather than the risky decision to go down the corridor. He said Lambert was free but Houli's kick was terrible (30m to Lambert's right). Watson and Darcy both disagreed. Both said you never ever kick there in that situation when you are 4 points up with a minute to go. Defenders train to know how far they can peel off from an opponent per distance and still close down the space. You would only do that risky kick if you're trailing with a minute to go. From the overhead vision, there was also a free Richmond player by the outer side boundary 50m out with space behind him which was the right option to go to.
Yep, they showed it on 360 as well. RFC player peeled off to the boundary (not the congested side) and the Freo defender hedged his bets, gambling on a decision to go straight. Red vs Black, Odds vs Evens, Heads vs Tails. By the time Houli got around to kicking it he had left it way too late to kick anywhere to advantage. If he had taken his first option quickly.....................................who knows.
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
Hard to do low flat kicks 50m+
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
Hard to do low flat kicks 50m+
well dont give to a 5v1 then
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Exactly
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
ahh, but that is the beauty of the trap. there was a player positioned about 20m from the goal, forcing the kick to need elevation to clear him.
the whole set up is designed for exactly what happened. to give the illusion of a man in space and encourage the kicker to make a dangerous kick. as soon as he kicked, the freo players were spinting to get to the fall of the ball.
the kick would need to cm perfect to come off.
i think someone else may have fell for it earlier in the game too.
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
ahh, but that is the beauty of the trap. there was a player positioned about 20m from the goal, forcing the kick to need elevation to clear him.
the whole set up is designed for exactly what happened. to give the illusion of a man in space and encourage the kicker to make a dangerous kick. as soon as he kicked, the freo players were spinting to get to the fall of the ball.
the kick would need to cm perfect to come off.
i think someone else may have fell for it earlier in the game too.
Why is it the freo players were able make up so much ground between the moment he decided to kick, to the moment the ball got there?
He's brain was going almost as slowly as Chaplin moves
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Because that was their plan, unlike ours which was go to the bloody boundary
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Up there with Derickx's dropped mark in Richmond folklore now....'tis a kick that will live in infamy.
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Duck is right. If it was a low, flat, hard kick it wwould of been kotcha
ahh, but that is the beauty of the trap. there was a player positioned about 20m from the goal, forcing the kick to need elevation to clear him.
the whole set up is designed for exactly what happened. to give the illusion of a man in space and encourage the kicker to make a dangerous kick. as soon as he kicked, the freo players were spinting to get to the fall of the ball.
the kick would need to cm perfect to come off.
i think someone else may have fell for it earlier in the game too.
Why is it the freo players were able make up so much ground between the moment he decided to kick, to the moment the ball got there?
He's brain was going almost as slowly as Chaplin moves
because of the bloke positioned so the kick has to have elevation to clear him, and because they were waiting for it. the instant they saw he was going up the middle they started to move
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Interesting segment on On the Couch (I think) the other night when they broke down the play and showed how Freo set up to entice Houli into a reckless kick. Cunning from the purple bandits.
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As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University? Bacha was a bit dumb not see it commin :rant
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Houli should have known it wasn't worth the risk. Tigers were setup for him to go down the flank. Bloody disgrace and he should be dropped for it IMO. Make an example of him - follow the team structure or play magoos
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Team rules should include putting the ball through the big sticks or you get dropped.....
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Not sure it'd be a good idea to take to the field against Hawthorn with only 10 players.
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Team rules should include putting the ball through the big sticks or you get dropped.....
There's a difference between following the team rules, making the right decision but just executing it poorly and going against team rules.
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Team rules should include putting the ball through the big sticks or you get dropped.....
There's a difference between following the team rules, making the right decision but just executing it poorly and going against team rules.
I was being facetious......
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Interesting segment on On the Couch (I think) the other night when they broke down the play and showed how Freo set up to entice Houli into a reckless kick. Cunning from the purple bandits.
Merely theory
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A week is a long time in footy :yep :thumbsup ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLPjCp9UkAAoNqV.jpg)
VIDEO of Bachar's goal: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-31/bachar-gets-some-redemption
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Thought he was pretty poor before that goal. Clearly boosted his confidence as he did a few good things after it.
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agreed, he looked shaky but hardened up after the goal, got his mojo back on. When he chased that dorker player for the length of the ground and just got his finger tips to him, that was the sort of poo that made me smile last night, dogged pressure. The old tigers wouldn't of bothered chasing him that far, but it was enough to put his kick off and cause an apple turnover.
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Bachar will be on twitter midday tomorrow taking questions. Just use the hashtag.
Wednesday – Bachar Houli (12.00pm) #BacharTakeover
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-04/have-you-got-a-burning-question-for-the-afls-multicultural-ambassadors
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Thats a worrisome hashtag....
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#reclaimtwitter
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I don't think anyone will disagree that Houli's rebound is very good most of the time BUT his ability to defend really hurts the side.
Hardwick went to Batch to play on Betts last night simply because Houli isn't able to play on these types of guys. In saying that, who is he able to match up on and win one on one?
If we are defending well as a group, Houli's lack of ability to beat an opponent is hidden but when we are struggling it stands out like dogs balls. That effort to mark in the first quarter that went over the back which ended up in their first goal was nothing short of disgraceful!
Batch has been pretty good for a while as an all out stopper on the oppositions 3rd tall, but when Grimes went down last night we got found out.
We have Hunt, Houli and Vlastuin as small defenders but realistically only Vlastuin is any good when it comes to defense. But even he seems to play better on a bigger opponent.
I hate to say this but it seems the only way we will try something else is if Houli, Batch or Hunt gets injured, and I hope one of them does soon. They are simply not a top 4 side defenders.
I'm still really surprised that some on hear don't rate Grimes as highly as others. His ability to play small and tall in invaluable, and he actually contributes on the way out which is more than you can say for Batch.
IMO we still have some work to do on our back line if we are to be a consistent top 4 side and I personally don't think that Houli, Batch or even Hunt are the answer. Plus Chaplin is holding on by a thread.
We have Rance, Grimes and Vlastuin to build around which is a very good starting point but they need help, I like Dea but he is just not getting an opportunity even with his consistent good form in the twos. Maybe George could step up next year, maybe his disposal needs work but he has some very good attributes and in his first year out of under age footy he has done really well.
I still think Morris has something to offer when we play sides with dominate small forwards. He doesn't get much of the footy but he is very good at keeping the Eddie Betts of the world quiet. And with side winning with 10 goals a game these days it sure does help!
He has been played forward all year as a small forward and has failed but as we all can see it's not an easy position to play especially in our side when most weeks we are a man or two down in our forward line. He was drafted as a small defender so play him there or get rid of him because he is not a small forward.
We as a club really take that position for granted and have for a long time, trying to draft a decent small forward through the rookie draft or a late national draft pick. We desperately need a decent one so why not trade for one or use a low pick on one.