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Title: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 08, 2015, 09:42:58 PM
Looking a bit risky now
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: El Guapo on September 08, 2015, 11:19:40 PM
I hope his Rehab goes well.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 09, 2015, 12:16:17 AM
All the best to the bloke
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 09, 2015, 10:43:55 AM
If he's brain sis broken , what happens ?



I assume there is a clause where Sydney don't have to pay out his contract, are allowed to reuse salary cap space?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on September 09, 2015, 11:07:01 AM
Liam Pickering
Hope he has been paid his commission
Buddy will be known as a swan that played 2 seasons
😉
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 09, 2015, 05:35:14 PM
Looking a bit risky now

arent you constantly arguing this is the path we should go down, putting most of our salary cap eggs into a few baskets?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 10, 2015, 07:06:09 AM
Looking a bit risky now

arent you constantly arguing this is the path we should go down, putting most of our salary cap eggs into a few baskets?

pretty much yeah


its a risk but dangerfields brain should be fine
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Hes My Hero on September 10, 2015, 07:19:17 AM
I tend to think that Lance is a fishbowl type of guy.
Thrives on the attention Melbourne was able to provide.
Stuck in a town where a bridge gets more attention.
I am no expert but I think that this could have a negative effect on his mindset/head space.

If he came back to Victoria I believe that we could see the Franklin of old.

I wonder if Sydney would entertain the idea of trading him back to the greatest city in the world?

If they agreed to pay 50% of his salary I'm sure they would be able to find some interested suitors.

500k a year for Franklin? Yes please !!
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 12, 2015, 11:19:11 PM
Is this just a recent development or has he had this for ages?  I've never heard about this before this recent episode. Did he have this condition at Hawthorn? 

So did he have a back issue? Or was it just epilepsy? What's so bad about epilepsy that it must be kept secret? How long has he had this condition? Why does he have to miss playing games just because he had got a "mild form" of epilepsy?

Have I missed something here? It all seems a little suspect to me, the whole thing doesn't make sense as it has been reported. Why hasn't the club spoken about this before as they've known about his condition for some time? Why didn't his fiancé come back from overseas to be by his side? 
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Hes My Hero on September 13, 2015, 01:16:33 AM
Smoke and mirrors?

Maybe.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 13, 2015, 01:31:23 PM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 14, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 14, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?

Dunno but that's just a pee poor question. Leave the bloke be if he's going through something bad enough to miss the rest of the year
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 14, 2015, 11:23:25 PM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?

pretty much eh
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: (•))(©™ on September 14, 2015, 11:29:36 PM
Recreationally induced depression.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 14, 2015, 11:55:44 PM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?

Dunno but that's just a pee poor question. Leave the bloke be if he's going through something bad enough to miss the rest of the year
Oh I forgot his mum just died...... No sorry that was Nic Nat..
Oh that's right he's ugly and he struggles to attract the babes.......No sorry that's Cam Ling. 
Oh I remember he was overlooked in the draft and had to work extra hard to make it as a Rookie & only gets paid minimum wages.............No sorry that wasn't him either....
Oh I've got it he's got limited ability and struggles to break into the senior team.....No sorry that's someone else too....

It must just be the pressure of superstardom, the tension that comes with having to decide to live in either Point Piper, Rose Bay or Double Bay, the anxiety that comes with how to invest 10 million dollars and the massive burden that comes with a supermodel fiancé asking which colour bikini looks better in the morning sunrise when your trying to eat your scrambled eggs.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 15, 2015, 01:06:11 PM
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Didn't think so
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 16, 2015, 07:36:47 AM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?

Dunno but that's just a pee poor question. Leave the bloke be if he's going through something bad enough to miss the rest of the year
Oh I forgot his mum just died...... No sorry that was Nic Nat..
Oh that's right he's ugly and he struggles to attract the babes.......No sorry that's Cam Ling. 
Oh I remember he was overlooked in the draft and had to work extra hard to make it as a Rookie & only gets paid minimum wages.............No sorry that wasn't him either....
Oh I've got it he's got limited ability and struggles to break into the senior team.....No sorry that's someone else too....

It must just be the pressure of superstardom, the tension that comes with having to decide to live in either Point Piper, Rose Bay or Double Bay, the anxiety that comes with how to invest 10 million dollars and the massive burden that comes with a supermodel fiancé asking which colour bikini looks better in the morning sunrise when your trying to eat your scrambled eggs.

That's right off. Who are you to make personal judgements about whether people are allowed to suffer mental illness or not? Its a genetic condition as much as it is phenotypic. Rubbish comment!
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 16, 2015, 07:58:00 AM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 16, 2015, 08:12:58 AM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 16, 2015, 10:38:32 AM
The epilepsy is apparently a seperate condition to the mental health one keeping him from playing. Apart from that those questions are valid but probably unanswerable
So is he on strike 1 or strike 2?

Dunno but that's just a pee poor question. Leave the bloke be if he's going through something bad enough to miss the rest of the year
Oh I forgot his mum just died...... No sorry that was Nic Nat..
Oh that's right he's ugly and he struggles to attract the babes.......No sorry that's Cam Ling. 
Oh I remember he was overlooked in the draft and had to work extra hard to make it as a Rookie & only gets paid minimum wages.............No sorry that wasn't him either....
Oh I've got it he's got limited ability and struggles to break into the senior team.....No sorry that's someone else too....

It must just be the pressure of superstardom, the tension that comes with having to decide to live in either Point Piper, Rose Bay or Double Bay, the anxiety that comes with how to invest 10 million dollars and the massive burden that comes with a supermodel fiancé asking which colour bikini looks better in the morning sunrise when your trying to eat your scrambled eggs.

That's right off. Who are you to make personal judgements about whether people are allowed to suffer mental illness or not? Its a genetic condition as much as it is phenotypic. Rubbish comment!
Did I say he wasn't allowed to suffer? Life's full of sufferings from those beheaded in Syria to the scores of refugees without house or land to call home.
Forgive my ignorance but I was just trying to figure why Lance may be suffering at this time especially during AFL finals when his team needs him most and I came up with what I thought were a few reasonable suggestions.  ;)

Aren't we allowed to laugh once in a while Dougey? Im sure Buddy could do with a good laugh right about now..... :thumbsup
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 16, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Didn't think so

seems like its just you not put it together  ;)
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 16, 2015, 11:59:09 AM
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Didn't think so

seems like its just you not put it together  ;)

No one takes you and your tin foil hat seriously so don't blame me if I don't take notice of anything you say. Your insistent on his drug problem and that could very well be true. If it is true though, what turned him to drugs? Has the drugs had a negative effect on his mental health? Is he trying to stop and is struggling hence needs the time off? So many factors, none of them positive. So why not give the guy a break?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 16, 2015, 03:44:37 PM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 16, 2015, 05:00:52 PM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)

More awareness and better diagnosis
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 16, 2015, 05:13:33 PM
only a small proportion. some things like cancer have been known about for a long time and are pretty obvious near the end.

 type 11 diabetes was once called adult diabetes because people only got it later in life, now children suffer from it. again not something that stays hidden and gets misdiagnosed for something else.

when ted whitten was diagnosed with prostrate cancer we were told it is mainly a disease of old men who usually die with it, not from it. how that has changed in the last 20 years or so.

(not suggesting the genetic call applies to these)
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 16, 2015, 09:50:00 PM

care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)

Just go to Google scholar and type in "genetic influences on mental illness". Read away!

The irony is I've heard rumors to the effect of a Wayne Carey Anthony Stevens vibe out at Sydney. :whistle :whistle

Guess I was a bit tough on Tigiritis after all  :thumbsup
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 16, 2015, 10:23:15 PM

care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)

Just go to Google scholar and type in "genetic influences on mental illness". Read away!

The irony is I've heard rumors to the effect of a Wayne Carey Anthony Stevens vibe out at Sydney. :whistle :whistle

Guess I was a bit tough on Tigiritis after all  :thumbsup

Saw that on FB too, those pages talk so much poo
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 17, 2015, 12:01:57 AM

care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)

Just go to Google scholar and type in "genetic influences on mental illness". Read away!

The irony is I've heard rumors to the effect of a Wayne Carey Anthony Stevens vibe out at Sydney. :whistle :whistle

Guess I was a bit tough on Tigiritis after all  :thumbsup

just got to love it when someone makes a claim but expects you to do the research to back up their claims
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 17, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Didn't think so

seems like its just you not put it together  ;)

No one takes you and your tin foil hat seriously so don't blame me if I don't take notice of anything you say. Your insistent on his drug problem and that could very well be true. If it is true though, what turned him to drugs? Has the drugs had a negative effect on his mental health? Is he trying to stop and is struggling hence needs the time off? So many factors, none of them positive. So why not give the guy a break?

You are a bit all over the shop with that one
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 17, 2015, 02:19:32 PM
Yeah, on that front you pretty well qualified
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 17, 2015, 02:49:34 PM

just got to love it when someone makes a claim but expects you to do the research to back up their claims

Welcome to the world of Academia.  :thumbsup
But its pretty commonly accepted knowledge. If I were to claim climate change exists or smoking causes cancer, would you expect me to site a particular article???
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 17, 2015, 05:21:12 PM
welcome to the world of academia?
what a pretentious self indulgent thing to say, but then again that is pretty much the world of academia, or those that see such a world.

and no it is not common accepted knowledge, nor is common accepted knowledge necessarily the truth. remember once common accepted knowledge was that the world was flat?

Michael chrichton summed it up perfectly

Quote
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

As for if climate change exists, well only the most ignorant argue if it exists. Fossil record show us that the earths climate has changed over time, the debate is how much man influences the rate. If you have conclusive proof on that I'd love to see it, as all ive seen so far is evidence suggesting it likely.

smoking and cancer, well i have seen studies as well as understand why it is so. Luckily for us these studies were made before big business took control of scientific studies that can influence their bottom line.

your claim is one i have never seen or heard, and if there is as much evidence proving such why are you so recalcitrant in producing it?

That is how things work ( or should) in the world of science, if you make a claim you produce the evidence to back up your claim. Im assuming that is different to world of academia, where it seems you make a claim and then try to make out you are better than any one that questions what you say?

Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 17, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
Yeah, on that front you pretty well qualified

 :clapping
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 18, 2015, 01:34:11 AM

care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"


Want me to see if I can dig up some info I should have on alcohol abuse and genetics?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Chuck17 on September 18, 2015, 07:15:15 AM
It's Friday and I'm gearing up to abuse some alcohol
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 08:22:52 AM

care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"


Want me to see if I can dig up some info I should have on alcohol abuse and genetics?
yeah if you want, i have heard that before though, but as far as i know there has been no identification of the genome responsible. some people even claim that obesity is also genetics based due to so many fat parents having fat children, yet they never put forward why environment/diet is discounted.

i did have info on links between low cholesterol levels , as well as  low fat diets and depression/substance abuse which showed a pretty strong correlation.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 18, 2015, 01:03:31 PM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)
Due to the fact people are living longer because of better hygiene, blood pressure control, Blood glucose control (even if diabetes is on the rise), cholesterol control etc etc, they are more likely to eventually present with diseases that are genetically based. We actually understand that just about all diseases are genetic based although environmental factors can trigger these in many individuals. We may not know which particular genome controls the disease in many of these but there is a wealth of evidence displaying that there is a link. Even things like alcohol addiction has been shown to have a genetic link. Blood relatives that aren't in the same environment have displayed similarities in behavioural addiction patterns. It is actually quite fascinating. Some people are just more likely to be drawn into situations where an unfavourable environment will affect them negatively. Whether this is genetic or environmental or most likely a combination of the two, nobody yet knows. We have good studies on separated identical twins displaying that even intelligence is genetic with twins scoring identical results in tests despite having very different environments.
It really is a very interesting area. :thumbsup
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
welcome to the world of academia?
what a pretentious self indulgent thing to say, but then again that is pretty much the world of academia, or those that see such a world.

and no it is not common accepted knowledge, nor is common accepted knowledge necessarily the truth. remember once common accepted knowledge was that the world was flat?

Michael chrichton summed it up perfectly

Quote
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

As for if climate change exists, well only the most ignorant argue if it exists. Fossil record show us that the earths climate has changed over time, the debate is how much man influences the rate. If you have conclusive proof on that I'd love to see it, as all ive seen so far is evidence suggesting it likely.

smoking and cancer, well i have seen studies as well as understand why it is so. Luckily for us these studies were made before big business took control of scientific studies that can influence their bottom line.

your claim is one i have never seen or heard, and if there is as much evidence proving such why are you so recalcitrant in producing it?

That is how things work ( or should) in the world of science, if you make a claim you produce the evidence to back up your claim. Im assuming that is different to world of academia, where it seems you make a claim and then try to make out you are better than any one that questions what you say?

You know what, I'll give you the pretentious; it was a smug thing to say, but unfortunately you really made my point for me.

You rationalised questioning a scientific fact by quoting the bloke that wrote Jurassic Park (and the quote VERBATIM has grammatical errors). Admittedly, there is logic to the notion of always questioning the status quo, but scientific fact is the strongest form of evidence you'll find.

Find me any peer reviewed study/journal article that supports your thesis and I'll concede here. THAT was my exact point with regards to academic research and scientific knowledge. Even a case study would stand as sufficient in making your point. But Michael Chrichton??? Champ, you're outta your league here.

 :thumbsup :thumbsup
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
For the record, here are some ripping sources

Conrad, Peter Genetic Optimism: Framing Genes and Mental Illness in the news,pg 225-247; June 2001, Culture Medicine and Psychiatry, Volume 25 (Issue 2)

And you could try

Jamison, Kay Redfield  Genetics and mental illness : evolving issues for research and society (Laura Lee Hall); Chapter 6 Ch. 6. Manic-Depressive Illness, Genes, and Creativity / c1996, Plenum, New York. [Peer Reviewed]
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
geez that wasnt hard, why didnt you just do that to start with instead of filling the world with more pollution?

WTF is this thesis of mine you mention in that unintellagable ramblings of a madman you posted?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)
Due to the fact people are living longer because of better hygiene, blood pressure control, Blood glucose control (even if diabetes is on the rise), cholesterol control etc etc, they are more likely to eventually present with diseases that are genetically based. We actually understand that just about all diseases are genetic based although environmental factors can trigger these in many individuals. We may not know which particular genome controls the disease in many of these but there is a wealth of evidence displaying that there is a link. Even things like alcohol addiction has been shown to have a genetic link. Blood relatives that aren't in the same environment have displayed similarities in behavioural addiction patterns. It is actually quite fascinating. Some people are just more likely to be drawn into situations where an unfavourable environment will affect them negatively. Whether this is genetic or environmental or most likely a combination of the two, nobody yet knows. We have good studies on separated identical twins displaying that even intelligence is genetic with twins scoring identical results in tests despite having very different environments.
It really is a very interesting area. :thumbsup

Naturally there some people with have more of a genetic disposition that others to suffer certain ilnesses, just as some people have a genetic disposition to run faster or put on muscle masss than others.

This still doesent count for the increase in certain diseases, nor does your explanations of living longer etc.

It's all too easy to just blame genetics than actually find out why, which then justifies the endless search for cures, which makes money for someone, rather than prevention, which doesnt unless immunisation is involved
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
For the record, here are some ripping sources

Conrad, Peter Genetic Optimism: Framing Genes and Mental Illness in the news,pg 225-247; June 2001, Culture Medicine and Psychiatry, Volume 25 (Issue 2)

And you could try

Jamison, Kay Redfield  Genetics and mental illness : evolving issues for research and society (Laura Lee Hall); Chapter 6 Ch. 6. Manic-Depressive Illness, Genes, and Creativity / c1996, Plenum, New York. [Peer Reviewed]

are you stuffing for real?
the first article is a paper about news coverage on the subject
Quote
This paper examines the news coverage of genetics and mental illness

lmao and here i was thinking you would provide peer reviewed articles that would at least discern between causal and association.




Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
For the record, here are some ripping sources

Conrad, Peter Genetic Optimism: Framing Genes and Mental Illness in the news,pg 225-247; June 2001, Culture Medicine and Psychiatry, Volume 25 (Issue 2)

And you could try

Jamison, Kay Redfield  Genetics and mental illness : evolving issues for research and society (Laura Lee Hall); Chapter 6 Ch. 6. Manic-Depressive Illness, Genes, and Creativity / c1996, Plenum, New York. [Peer Reviewed]

are you stuffing for real?
the first article is a paper about news coverage on the subject
Quote
This paper examines the news coverage of genetics and mental illness

lmao and here i was thinking you would provide peer reviewed articles that would at least discern between causal and association.

I would have thought given the subject, media coverage would prove as prime subject matter.

BTW

Thesis; noun; a statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved.

Shattered you found my post unintelligible rambling. Coherency and conciseness is my aim when posting, whether it be on OER or writing a 15,000 thesis.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 04:42:32 PM
you keep trying to make out you are some great academic in the world of medicine, but then produce this
Quote
I would have thought given the subject, media coverage would prove as prime subject matter.

which now has me concerned for our future...more concerned to be truthful.

i know what a thesis is, but what exactly are you referring to?



Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 18, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
you keep trying to make out you are some great academic in the world of medicine, but then produce this
Quote
I would have thought given the subject, media coverage would prove as prime subject matter.

which now has me concerned for our future...more concerned to be truthful.

i know what a thesis is, but what exactly are you referring to?

Look, as an academic I can tell you now that any article that you find on Google Scholar is valid and reliable.

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
you keep trying to make out you are some great academic in the world of medicine, but then produce this
Quote
I would have thought given the subject, media coverage would prove as prime subject matter.

which now has me concerned for our future...more concerned to be truthful.

i know what a thesis is, but what exactly are you referring to?


Look, as an academic I can tell you now that any article that you find on Google Scholar is valid and reliable.

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort

With a minor in Online Forum Banter  :thumbsup
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 18, 2015, 05:29:03 PM

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort

With a minor in Online Forum Banter  :thumbsup

Well no wonder you suck at it as much as your ability to source good articles
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 05:34:24 PM

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort

With a minor in Online Forum Banter  :thumbsup

Well no wonder you suck at it as much as your ability to source good articles

Did you read it, or are you enjoying a bit of #trolling....?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 18, 2015, 05:59:50 PM
oh the old genetc bs.
where did you dredge that up from?
3 Years of tertiary study on the subject as well as every scholarly article ever written on it ever (with perhaps a touch of hyperbole). Or the direct inverse relationship between happiness and wealth  :P
care to point out some of these articles .
in my experience the fall back to blame gentics often means "I havent a clue and blaming genetics is a good cop out"

and since you are so wizened on such things, how do diseases that are due to genetics have and increasing rate ( not just numbers, but rate)
Due to the fact people are living longer because of better hygiene, blood pressure control, Blood glucose control (even if diabetes is on the rise), cholesterol control etc etc, they are more likely to eventually present with diseases that are genetically based. We actually understand that just about all diseases are genetic based although environmental factors can trigger these in many individuals. We may not know which particular genome controls the disease in many of these but there is a wealth of evidence displaying that there is a link. Even things like alcohol addiction has been shown to have a genetic link. Blood relatives that aren't in the same environment have displayed similarities in behavioural addiction patterns. It is actually quite fascinating. Some people are just more likely to be drawn into situations where an unfavourable environment will affect them negatively. Whether this is genetic or environmental or most likely a combination of the two, nobody yet knows. We have good studies on separated identical twins displaying that even intelligence is genetic with twins scoring identical results in tests despite having very different environments.
It really is a very interesting area. :thumbsup

Naturally there some people with have more of a genetic disposition that others to suffer certain ilnesses, just as some people have a genetic disposition to run faster or put on muscle masss than others.

This still doesent count for the increase in certain diseases, nor does your explanations of living longer etc.

It's all too easy to just blame genetics than actually find out why, which then justifies the endless search for cures, which makes money for someone, rather than prevention, which doesnt unless immunisation is involved
Well if you would like to name these diseases and how much they have increased, I'll be happy to answer.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
type 11 diabetes, not only increased, but this disease once known as adult diabetes because it only appeared much later in life, is now being suffered by children.

Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 06:22:01 PM
actually diabetes is increasing so much that the makers of lip1tor are getting out of statins and will concentrate on drugs for this real disease
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Post by: Diocletian on September 18, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
you keep trying to make out you are some great academic in the world of medicine, but then produce this
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I would have thought given the subject, media coverage would prove as prime subject matter.

which now has me concerned for our future...more concerned to be truthful.

i know what a thesis is, but what exactly are you referring to?

Look, as an academic I can tell you now that any article that you find on Google Scholar is valid and reliable.

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort

Yeah that or "humanities" was my guess...
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 06:26:53 PM
 :rollin
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 18, 2015, 06:29:29 PM
type 11 diabetes, not only increased, but this disease once known as adult diabetes because it only appeared much later in life, is now being suffered by children.
Well that is an obvious one.......
The reason that it is increasing is that children are becoming obese due to poor diet and sitting in front of computers on OER ;D
Adults were the ones that became so obese and lazy in days gone by, hence it was a disease of adults almost exclusively.
There is a genetic link to type II diabetes too though. I guess not all obese kids get type II diabetes, I would suspect those who have a genetic predisposition get it.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 18, 2015, 06:37:05 PM
type 11 diabetes, not only increased, but this disease once known as adult diabetes because it only appeared much later in life, is now being suffered by children.
Well that is an obvious one.......
The reason that it is increasing is that children are becoming obese due to poor diet and sitting in front of computers on OER ;D
Adults were the ones that became so obese and lazy in days gone by, hence it was a disease of adults almost exclusively.
There is a genetic link to type II diabetes too though. I guess not all obese kids get type II diabetes, I would suspect those who have a genetic predisposition get it.

Ah this topic just keeps getting better and better.

Type 2 diabetes is not caused by a sedentary lifestyle as such, it just so happens most sufferers of type 2 diabetes are generally sedentary.

It is largely caused by high sugar diets and a built up insulin resistance. The reason that children are being diagnosed with this form at increasing rates is largely linked to the increased amounts of sugar in staple foods (breads/milks) etc. There are genetic predispositions in some cases.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 18, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
lol i thought u meant u were going to explain how genetics was the cause.

but dont neglect the impact that trans fats has, as type 11 diabetes is basically a result of insulin resistance.

thank stuff we got over that food industry created lie,
its a shame mary enig died, she was an instigater in exposing the dangers of trans fats
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Chuck17 on September 18, 2015, 08:35:41 PM
All this high and mighty academic intellectual chit is fine but bottom line is I'm still getting peeed tonight
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Yeahright on September 19, 2015, 12:50:04 AM

I think his tertiary study was a Diploma in Arts or something of the sort

With a minor in Online Forum Banter  :thumbsup

Well no wonder you suck at it as much as your ability to source good articles

Did you read it, or are you enjoying a bit of #trolling....?

I thought we were having banter?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 19, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
lol i thought u meant u were going to explain how genetics was the cause.

but dont neglect the impact that trans fats has, as type 11 diabetes is basically a result of insulin resistance.

thank stuff we got over that food industry created lie,
its a shame mary enig died, she was an instigater in exposing the dangers of trans fats
It must be genetics. How else can you explain why some children and adults no matter how fat or how poor their diet is, do not get type II diabetes?
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Stalin on September 19, 2015, 10:57:50 AM
Eugenics perhaps
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Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2015, 11:11:45 AM
lol i thought u meant u were going to explain how genetics was the cause.

but dont neglect the impact that trans fats has, as type 11 diabetes is basically a result of insulin resistance.

thank stuff we got over that food industry created lie,
its a shame mary enig died, she was an instigater in exposing the dangers of trans fats
It must be genetics. How else can you explain why some children and adults no matter how fat or how poor their diet is, do not get type II diabetes?
oh of course everything is down to genetics, how else could you explain why some people smoke all their lives and dont get lung cancer?
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 19, 2015, 12:42:29 PM
lol i thought u meant u were going to explain how genetics was the cause.

but dont neglect the impact that trans fats has, as type 11 diabetes is basically a result of insulin resistance.

thank stuff we got over that food industry created lie,
its a shame mary enig died, she was an instigater in exposing the dangers of trans fats
It must be genetics. How else can you explain why some children and adults no matter how fat or how poor their diet is, do not get type II diabetes?
oh of course everything is down to genetics, how else could you explain why some people smoke all their lives and dont get lung cancer?
I agree. You are the one saying genetics is a cop out. I am saying that genetics underlies everything, behaviour, intelligence, coping mechanisms etc etc. Of course you can optimise your potential with the right environment and of course bottom out with the wrong environment.
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2015, 01:01:53 PM
It is a cop out, because its an easy fall back when the true solution cant be found. We have both said that genetics underlies so much about us as individuals, but it is the environmental factors (to use the term loosely) that we can control, and of which, for the most part, if we control them correctly, the genetic disposition doesn't come into play
Title: Re: ten year, ten million dollar lance deal
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 19, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
It is a cop out, because its an easy fall back when the true solution cant be found. We have both said that genetics underlies so much about us as individuals, but it is the environmental factors (to use the term loosely) that we can control, and of which, for the most part, if we control them correctly, the genetic disposition doesn't come into play
Sometimes it is your genetics which direct you to the wrong environment too. The way your brain works, what seems to satisfy it or stimulate it, leads to certain behaviours which seek certain environments. So controlling the "environmental factors" is often just as difficult to overcome as the problem itself.
Interesting topic and discussion. Cheers.