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Title: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: TigerLand on September 14, 2015, 11:26:17 AM
Glaringly obvious..

1. Ruckman, need a ready made one. Maric as serviceable as he is, is 30 and probably done.
Gettable Options: Kruezar, Leunberger, Hickey/Longer. Don't see Hampson as a serious option.

2. Small Forward, deja vu. Need one desperately. Ideally ready made.
Gettable Options: Steve Johnson

3. 3rd Backman/Swing Man. Wasted a position in Bachelor and Griffths. Should have a swing man that can play a 3rd tall forward or 3rd tall backman depending on match ups.
Gettable Options: Lachie Henderson, Carlisle.

4. A Grade Mid/ Elite Mid, we rely on too few. Weve said for a long time our 2nd tier cant be relied upon in big games if our top tier go down. Grigg, Ellis and co are not Kelly/Ling like or Shiels/Burgoyne like. Need another reliable mid.
Gettable Options: Treloar, Bennell
Roughy: Would look at Armitage again. We were close last year in a trade.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: No More on September 14, 2015, 11:41:28 AM
the problem is those players wont change anything for us. we lack real leaders, players who will impose there will on the contest and change the course of a game. those players you mentioned cant do that for us.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: scjhammo on September 14, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
i think id be looking closely at Carlisle on chapplins game yesterday and his season this year he is not getting any quicker and his mind is with the fairies at times may have what 1 year left I feel bring in carlisle to play a key role with rance I feel.
certainly need another onballer if reports are true and all goes to plan we have missed out on treloar but have a decent crack at aish and bennel.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: TigerLand on September 14, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
the problem is those players wont change anything for us. we lack real leaders, players who will impose there will on the contest and change the course of a game. those players you mentioned cant do that for us.

Leaders and finals match winning players don't grow on trees and cost a fortune in trade.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 14, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Jacosh on September 14, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
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Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Gigantor on September 14, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Ok no more bleating ..here are what I think are the positives from 2015.
Kamdyn Macintosh....is turning into a real gun.
the overdue arrival of tyrone vickery
good form from young recruits Lennon and C Ellis.(2 rising star nominations this year)
D grimes finally getting full seasons and showing how good he really is.
Titch Edwards really stepping up a level.
Kane lambert proving a very good get.
Anthony Miles now showing hes A grade(carried the midfield yesterday)
 a club that no longer panics  and appears on sure financial footing
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: eliminator on September 14, 2015, 04:32:50 PM
McIntosh was one of the few players who delivered the ball into the forward line properly.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Owl on September 14, 2015, 10:16:54 PM
Need another decent inside mid, Cotch aint cutting it and Miles is getting a sore back carrying everyone.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on September 14, 2015, 10:20:43 PM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
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Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 14, 2015, 11:27:12 PM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Beating clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances is still a form of winning   ;D
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Stalin on September 14, 2015, 11:31:12 PM
crap form of it
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 15, 2015, 05:55:56 AM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
  :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

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Beating clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances is still a form of winning   ;D
It's a by-product of winning.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Stalin on September 15, 2015, 11:08:19 AM
Areas of need?
How about we stop creaming our pants over beating other clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances and concentrate on the most important thing of all, winning.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Beating clubs on membership, TV audiences and game attendances is still a form of winning   ;D
It's a by-product of winning.

Not really

Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: yandb on September 15, 2015, 12:45:04 PM
A change in game plan wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: RedanTiger on September 15, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
Pope, I agree the holes are obvious but...

1. Ruckman, need a ready made one. 
Options: Kreuzer as the free agent costs us "only" money.
I would also look at the trade with West Coast of Conca for Lycett. Wouldn't cost us money on wages and probably not picks either.

2. Small Forward, deja vu. Ideally ready made.
I would rather rely on the ones we have than go for a trade. Lambert will improve next year and I have hope for Lloyd and Butler as well.
The forward plan to me is more of a problem than the cattle.

3. 3rd Backman/Swing Man.
This is where the calls to trade out Astbury for Yarran to me are so crazy they are Fantasy Footy reality.
We know that Chaplin will probably be gone after next year. Astbury, based on his form early last year, is the next best option and IMO at least close to anything we get from Carlisle.
The shift of interest to me is the option of playing Griffith as the KPD, forcing him to be involved chasing a man. He has the speed, can be a strong pack mark and has a huge boot. The perfect traits for a KPD. Then Astbury becomes the true swing man going to a Waite for example or else stretching a defence as a CHF and moving Jack to the stuff. 

4. A Grade Mid/ Elite Mid.
I would be throwing everything at Dangerfield. He is exactly what we want - the big bodied mid with all the skills especially power. Dusty and Danger would be scary and improve every other player in the team. Again he is a free agent so "only" costs us money.
The other option is Treloar who is still there given GWS wants the best deal for itself. He is that extra accumulator we need. We can give up the picks but the money becomes a problem.

So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.
3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.
Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 15, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett

- Kreuzer only.
 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.

- Don't agree, Edwards and Lambert are more mids, we have been calling for Edwards to remain in the goal square for years and it doesn't happen, never will. You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.

3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.

- Really, Griff did not work down back, why does this keep coming up, go watch the games Griff played there, he is not the answer, we need a tried and ready backman, not a project. Yes Astbury can do it if he finds that form of two years ago.


Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.

- YES and YES but won't happen.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: RedanTiger on September 15, 2015, 03:27:29 PM
So if the finances could be worked, and lets face it none of our current player can complain about paying outsiders big money, we could have:
Ruck - Kreuzer and Lycett

- Kreuzer only.
 
Small forward - rely on Edwards, Lambert, Lloyd and Butler improvement.

- Don't agree, Edwards and Lambert are more mids, we have been calling for Edwards to remain in the goal square for years and it doesn't happen, never will. You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.

3rd Back swing. - switch Griffith to the back and rely on Astbury.

- Really, Griff did not work down back, why does this keep coming up, go watch the games Griff played there, he is not the answer, we need a tried and ready backman, not a project. Yes Astbury can do it if he finds that form of two years ago.


Elite mid - Dangerfield and Treloar.

- YES and YES but won't happen.

Fair nuff.
Just really sick of posters wanting to get rid of players in bizarre swaps.
Want to really use the free agency for it's best value - adding players at no pick or player loss.

The Lycett one would also mean that Hampson would be delisted.

As said in my post , think the forward plan is as much at fault as the cattle.
Small forwards are now expected to go onball, even mediums.

Danger is what is essential to our midfield but unlikely to happen I agree.
Not giving up on Treloar yet, with all the GWS fan/excrement still happening.

Every year I'm underwhelmed by our trades/free agency.
Would have thought with our experience in Gale, Richardson and Hartley we would be at the forefront in dealing free agents.
This year, with our list in reasonable shape IMO, I'm scared they'll screw it up totally and gain garbage (again) while losing potential quality.   
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 15, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 15, 2015, 04:39:14 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor
Agree with that.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Gigantor on September 15, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Loyd(barge arse as we call him) oozes X factor I think
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 15, 2015, 06:06:41 PM
Danger stood up in the elimination final when needed........
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 15, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor

Butler has been on an AFL list, was injured for half of it.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: No More on September 15, 2015, 08:22:28 PM
Danger stood up in the elimination final when needed........

he wants to play for the cats
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 15, 2015, 10:23:44 PM
and treloar wants to play for the skunks, so what's your point?
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 16, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
You cant bank Lloyd and Butler, they are not the X factor we are after in a crumbing forward.


Disagree. Butler does seem to have a bit of x factor about him, even Lloyd does despite him being slow. Just because they aren't Abo doesn't mean they can't have x factor


Butler has been on an AFL list, was injured for half of it.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: one-eyed on September 18, 2015, 09:59:24 PM
From Barrett's sliding doors column ...


Richmond
     
IF .... a third consecutive loss in an elimination final proves one thing ...    

THEN ... it is this: your entire set-up needs a serious re-jig before you enter the next season.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-18/sliding-doors-stuff-two
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 20, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
Areas of need for 2016.....

- HEART.

- RESOLVE.

- DETERMINATION.

- TESTOSTERONE.

- LEADERS THAT ACTUALLY LEAD.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Gigantor on September 20, 2015, 10:19:03 AM
well said Tigiritis.

Forget the recruits we want ,these points outlined are whats going to make the biggest difference to our fortunes,Although the testosterone I think comes with the territory of the other points ;D
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 20, 2015, 10:28:41 AM
Areas of need for 2016.....

- HEART.

- RESOLVE.

- DETERMINATION.

- TESTOSTERONE.

- LEADERS THAT ACTUALLY LEAD.
Testosterone is WADA prohibited Tigeritis! ;D
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: tony_montana on September 20, 2015, 12:05:34 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 12:26:31 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 20, 2015, 12:28:43 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D
And they'll all come to us because 16 other teams don't want them?  :whistle
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D
And they'll all come to us because 16 other teams don't want them?  :whistle

Absolutely stuff all to do with it. What I want to see is the RFC fight tooth and nail for these players and they don't, gee if they did we might even get a couple/few, year after year they don't give a flaming whimper, they are the weakest most gutless club when it comes to attacking recruitment. Guess what, the other 16 clubs are far more courageous at recruiting and that is why they get the players. Look at the Pies FFS!!!

It's members/supports like you that I call the RCGG because all you see is rose colours when you look through your glasses at this club!!

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Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 20, 2015, 01:19:07 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D

Not sure on Hampton but that would see us improve significantly however realistic it may be. Most should come cheap too compared to actual value :shh
Redden > Foley
Yarran > Newman
Bennell > Knights
Smith > Hampson (And Maric but could they form a potent team especially with the sub rule scrapped?)
Hampton > Pettard
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: tony_montana on September 20, 2015, 01:25:12 PM
Yep, Yarran wants out and to us apparently
Bennell is out and we'd be buying at his lowest value, our first rounder should get it done and well worth it imo.
Redden is more of a long shot, but he'd be valuable and take the heat off Miles and Cotch
2 out of those 3 should be very realistic and would still be important acquisitions for us. If we were willing to trade players like Conca and lennon, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to get more in above the afore mentioned.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 01:27:37 PM
So we have worked it out in three posts.. ;D, why cant they.

Instead of Lennon I would look at Ellis being traded, that would do it!!
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 20, 2015, 01:49:29 PM
So we have worked it out in three posts.. ;D, why cant they.

Instead of Lennon I would look at Ellis being traded, that would do it!!

I unfortuantely think Ellis is a necessary evil. Remember when we had Grigg playing that role :gobdrop
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 02:00:19 PM
So we have worked it out in three posts.. ;D, why cant they.

Instead of Lennon I would look at Ellis being traded, that would do it!!

I unfortuantely think Ellis is a necessary evil. Remember when we had Grigg playing that role :gobdrop

He poos me, he doesn't even look before he kicks the ball, he just kicks the bloody thing every time. :banghead
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 20, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D
And they'll all come to us because 16 other teams don't want them?  :whistle

Absolutely stuff all to do with it. What I want to see is the RFC fight tooth and nail for these players and they don't, gee if they did we might even get a couple/few, year after year they don't give a flaming whimper, they are the weakest most gutless club when it comes to attacking recruitment. Guess what, the other 16 clubs are far more courageous at recruiting and that is why they get the players. Look at the Pies FFS!!!

It's members/supports like you that I call the RCGG because all you see is rose colours when you look through your glasses at this club!!

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I do not have rose coloured glasses mate. You misunderstood my post. I'd love all of these players too. But we have SFA chance of getting ALL of them. I hope to hell we get some but you are living in dreamtime land if you think we will land all of them. Why? Because we have 16 other teams vying for their services and we cannot outbid all of the for all the players. That is just a fact of life. It is reality. If you can't handle reality then you have no right to criticise my post!!!!!!! :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Diocletian on September 20, 2015, 02:20:46 PM
So we have worked it out in three posts.. ;D, why cant they.

Instead of Lennon I would look at Ellis being traded, that would do it!!

I unfortuantely think Ellis is a necessary evil. Remember when we had Grigg playing that role :gobdrop

He poos me, he doesn't even look before he kicks the ball, he just kicks the bloody thing every time. :banghead

Yep he's definitely playing the role of Grigg....
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
If we could get Bennell, Yarran and Redden we'd well and truly have an elite onball brigade.

We'll still need to find another key back and a big ruckman, Zac Smith??

This is what I have been saying. These are the 4-5 extra players I have been talking about all year that we need that will take our team to the next level and the level of a GF contender.

Bennell (mid, crumbing forward)
Yarran (back/mid/goal sneak forward)
Redden (mid)
Smith (Ruck)
Hampton (Back)

= Grand Final!! ;D
And they'll all come to us because 16 other teams don't want them?  :whistle

Absolutely stuff all to do with it. What I want to see is the RFC fight tooth and nail for these players and they don't, gee if they did we might even get a couple/few, year after year they don't give a flaming whimper, they are the weakest most gutless club when it comes to attacking recruitment. Guess what, the other 16 clubs are far more courageous at recruiting and that is why they get the players. Look at the Pies FFS!!!

It's members/supports like you that I call the RCGG because all you see is rose colours when you look through your glasses at this club!!

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I do not have rose coloured glasses mate. You misunderstood my post. I'd love all of these players too. But we have SFA chance of getting ALL of them. I hope to hell we get some but you are living in dreamtime land if you think we will land all of them. Why? Because we have 16 other teams vying for their services and we cannot outbid all of the for all the players. That is just a fact of life. It is reality. If you can't handle reality then you have no right to criticise my post!!!!!!! :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle

Go read mine again then mate, because you didn't understand it either!! We are weak as pee at this aggressive recruiting caper!!! FFs, have a go RFC and who knows how many of those players we can get!!!

Fact; we have a war chest...Fact we are after big fish!! Fact...we are pee weak at chasing these players and that's that!
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 20, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Please don't confuse the war chest with what we may or may not have available in salary cap space

They are 2 seperate things.

If we can snag 2, perhaps 3 significant trades and/or Free agents then we would have done well.

 Our main focus should still be trading for Treloar, which we are still a show in. Then it should Bennell and then Yarran

Unless they are planning on dumping Hampson, even though to do so means his contract would still go into our salary cap the a ruckman like Smith is highly unlikely IMHo
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 02:57:49 PM
Please don't confuse the war chest with what we may or may not have available in salary cap space

They are 2 seperate things.

If we can snag 2, perhaps 3 significant trades and/or Free agents then we would have done well.

 Our main focus should still be trading for Treloar, which we are still a show in. Then it should Bennell and then Yarran

Unless they are planning on dumping Hampson, even though to do so means his contract would still go into our salary cap the a ruckman like Smith is highly unlikely IMHo

The "war chest" was in relation to the freed up money we would have during this period, honestly why would the club say that knowing there was no room in the cap??!

Yes. if we get Treloar, Bennell and Yarran it will be a win! If we get Yarran only its pathetic, not the player, the result overall.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 20, 2015, 03:03:14 PM
Please don't confuse the war chest with what we may or may not have available in salary cap space

They are 2 seperate things.

If we can snag 2, perhaps 3 significant trades and/or Free agents then we would have done well.

 Our main focus should still be trading for Treloar, which we are still a show in. Then it should Bennell and then Yarran

Unless they are planning on dumping Hampson, even though to do so means his contract would still go into our salary cap the a ruckman like Smith is highly unlikely IMHo

The "war chest" was in relation to the freed up money we would have during this period, honestly why would the club say that knowing there was no room in the cap??!

Yes. if we get Treloar, Bennell and Yarran it will be a win! If we get Yarran only its pathetic, not the player, the result overall.

Hold on a tick, I never said anything about there being no room in the cap

But people seem to think that just because there is some sort of war chest that it means we have unlimited space in our salary cap,so by extension we can go out and get 5-6 players via trade/FA

That's just not realistic. The club would have a cap (no pun intended) on what they are able or wanting to do.

I agree with you re your 2nd point.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2015, 03:18:02 PM
if we got treloar, bennel and yarran it would be an extraordinary effort.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on September 20, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
To me reading some of the stuff on here is crazy.
To lose either Ellis or Lennon for Yarran or whatever is crazy.
These kids have upsize all over them.
These kids haven't yet played 20 games yet and to me look the goods.

If Carlton want a first rounder how about Conca. Was a pick 6.
We played most of the year without him and lets cut our losses has plateued the last 3 years or so.
If anything I feel he now has a history of soft tissue injuries from the Elim in 2013 and it will not get better IMHO.

If we are in the market for Aish, Bennell or Treloar to me that would be an upgrade on Conca a mid for a mid without giving up any of our recent first rounders. It seems Carlton may also be in the need of more hardened experienced bodies to help the inexperienced kids. Its how we market it and they see it. Lennon and Ellis should be non negotiables. If they aren't Yarran is not worth it.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WA Tiger on September 20, 2015, 08:36:17 PM
When I say Ellis, I mean B Ellis, not C Ellis. I gree with you Don.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on September 20, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
Personally I'd still keep Brandon Ellis. Kid has been in the U23 team of the year 3 years now.
If we snag one or more of Treloar, Aish, Bennell his outside run and carry will be important.

We missed that big time last week given Cotchin put in such a howler.

Now that we have those B or B+ types we can just give them up IMHO.

Conca is just a dime a dozen footballer.

Titch Edwards is another one whose 26-27 and could help a side like Carlton or GC or GWS.

We aint giving up long term but we are offering up something of value that can help a lower

ranked side get competitive slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
I'd happily give up B ellis for teloar.
Wouldnt be too concerned to give him up for yarran, youd hope maybe for a pick upgrade as well. Ellis concerns me with the way he still blazes away under perceived pressure.
get the ball in yarrans hands out wide and he use the ball better than b Ellis.

not sure I'd swap him for Benell. I get the impression Bennell could be a very good player, but is he coke head?
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on September 20, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Al I heard GWS were not interested in players but picks.

That's why I believe offering our first rounder this year and next may get this deal over the line

as opposed to what Collingwood may be offering.

Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 20, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
Al I heard GWS were not interested in players but picks.

That's why I believe offering our first rounder this year and next may get this deal over the line

as opposed to what Collingwood may be offering.

Also the player the Pies are offering (Witts) is contracted and is refusing to be traded  :snidegrin
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 20, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
If our two first round picks is going to get the deal done, couldn't Collingwood just offer the same thing with there better picks
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 20, 2015, 09:23:11 PM
If our two first round picks is going to get the deal done, couldn't Collingwood just offer the same thing with there better picks
They want Aish too.....
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2015, 09:31:47 PM
and about 30 others too
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 20, 2015, 11:40:34 PM
If our two first round picks is going to get the deal done, couldn't Collingwood just offer the same thing with there better picks
They want Aish too.....

Yeah but Brisbane want players ::)
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: the claw on September 21, 2015, 12:04:03 AM
Glaringly obvious..

1. Ruckman, need a ready made one. Maric as serviceable as he is, is 30 and probably done.
Gettable Options: Kruezar, Leunberger, Hickey/Longer. Don't see Hampson as a serious option.

2. Small Forward, deja vu. Need one desperately. Ideally ready made.
Gettable Options: Steve Johnson

3. 3rd Backman/Swing Man. Wasted a position in Bachelor and Griffths. Should have a swing man that can play a 3rd tall forward or 3rd tall backman depending on match ups.
Gettable Options: Lachie Henderson, Carlisle.

4. A Grade Mid/ Elite Mid, we rely on too few. Weve said for a long time our 2nd tier cant be relied upon in big games if our top tier go down. Grigg, Ellis and co are not Kelly/Ling like or Shiels/Burgoyne like. Need another reliable mid.
Gettable Options: Treloar, Bennell
Roughy: Would look at Armitage again. We were close last year in a trade.
Thats a great op and i agree with those sentiments. I would also add a young key forward to the list and there is a great need for a big inside mid around the 190/90 mark. I think our mids get shut down because of their size. One reason why i have thought Matt Thomas should have been played again this yr is his inside ball winning, cps,  his tackling  size and willingness to lay a block to help out fellow mids. A  quicker higher quality version of Thomas would be ideal.

Would add Jarred Redden to your ruck list of targets..
Would persevere with Butler as a small forward and if we managed to snare Bennell he could spend time in the role as well as in the middle..
Johnson would add to our midfield as well as help out our fwd line.

Would add Henderson to the tall backline list of targets with Carlisle the priority. Carlisle and Rance would be a formidable combo. Would look at Plowman or Litherland for the third tall role to replace Batchelor.
Litherland at 193cm  would not only provide support in the air but plenty of run out of defense.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Stalin on September 21, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
I'd happily give up B ellis for teloar.

id swap my car for a Lamborghini Veneno
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2015, 03:26:16 PM
I'd swap my missus for a boat
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 21, 2015, 03:41:13 PM
I'd swap my missus for a boat

I'll take that offer
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
pic of the boat please.
it needs to be bigger than my missus
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 22, 2015, 12:12:08 AM
pic of the boat please.
it needs to be bigger than my missus

Sorry mate it's only a fishing boat, not a cruise ship
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 22, 2015, 12:13:24 AM
no deal then, not getting ripped by the likes of you.
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 22, 2015, 12:33:48 AM
no deal then, not getting ripped by the likes of you.

Oi mate I don't know what you mean by "the likes of me" but watch the insults k, buddy?
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Owl on September 22, 2015, 01:58:26 PM
Hey cobber, digger, buddy, pal, chum, bro, I don't like the tone of your post.... I find it offensive to the colour of my eyes, bigot
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Stalin on September 22, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Digger?
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Stalin on September 22, 2015, 04:52:25 PM
I'd swap my missus for a boat

 ;D
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Yeahright on September 24, 2015, 01:25:07 AM
Hey cobber, digger, buddy, pal, chum, bro, I don't like the tone of your post.... I find it offensive to the colour of my eyes, bigot

 :pillowfight
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Smokey on September 24, 2015, 08:29:06 AM
pic of the boat please.
it needs to be bigger than my missus

And best you start negotiations on how much my silence is worth!!!   :snidegrin :snidegrin
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: scjhammo on September 24, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
we all know we need to find a small forward and gian more run if we get that ill be happy another back up ruckman so we can leave the talls up forward and do what they are paid for... We also need another key defender to put pressure on Chaplin as he only has 1-2 years left I feel  carlisle would be the right answer but not owrtht he 700-800K he is chasing.... :thumbsup
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Penelope on September 24, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
pic of the boat please.
it needs to be bigger than my missus

And best you start negotiations on how much my silence is worth!!!   :snidegrin :snidegrin

ah, youll do anything for a luke warm can of vic....
Title: Re: Areas of Need for 2016 and beyond
Post by: Smokey on September 24, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Pretty much.   :help