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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on October 03, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
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Until we trade out the crap. Trade in talent. Really buy into free agency and build a team like the Hawks where every player has the talent and does their job then we are a long way off
Don't worry about us beating them mid year this team today is what a team is all about.they have built their team very smartly!!!
Looking at our team, if you can call it that, we have a lot to get rid of.
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yeah but yeah but yeah but we always beat them in June & July! :gotigers
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Frawley
McEvoy
Lake
Gibson
Hail
Burgoyne
Who did I miss?
All from other teams. We are delusional to think a team can be build by drafting alone.
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...or recruiting delisted shyte like Hunt....
...and then giving them two-year extensions....
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Griff
B Ellis
Grigg
Houli (maybe)
Conca
Batchelor
Chaplin
Lloyd
Gordon
Must go through trade or delisting, we cannot expect to win finals or a GF with this lot.
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Thing is,
Even if the RFC managed t get bunch of great players, they'd still stuff the development thru
Their inept strategies at board level and a football level.
Hardwick should be told to pee of.
The guy just doesn't have what it takes. He's done well to achieve what he has(n't) but the issue of him as coach needs to be addressed as urgently as the list.
Hawks built a dynasty while we built a sissy club.
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Lol :lol
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Agree but we never seem to be able to identify players apart from Miles. When we do have them they are either injury prone or disinterested.
Selecting griff conca and newman in the prelim must have really deflated several players and sends a shocking message to the rest of the group.
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Hardwick was involved with the successful Hawthawn model. Why he doesn't follow it bemuses me.
I can see now why very good players want to go to clubs such as the Hawks, they build successful sustainable teams, for a long time.
We need to start our team building this trade and FA period with Bennell, Yarran and we need to go flat out for a couple more while turning the crap out and drafting well.
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Hardwick was involved with the successful Hawthawn model. Why he doesn't follow it bemuses me.
I can see now why very good players want to go to clubs such as the Hawks, they build successful sustainable teams, for a long time.
We need to start our team building this trade and FA period with Bennell, Yarran and we need to go flat out for a couple more while turning the crap out and drafting well.
Yes but do we have the recruiting stall to accomplish this?
Methunks no
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Start by showing FJ & BH the door. How long does a club have to put up with substandard recruiting?
Pay the money and get some decent recruiters.
The development is still a concern after the club has promised us that it's an area of prime importance. I still think they can get better people that can do a better job, whatever they are doing isn't enough and thanks to the faithful fans, money isn't an issue any longer.
The coaching staff need an overhaul. If Hardwick has to be coach, personally I don't think Hardwick is the guy but if it has to be him then let's get some decent assistance for him and maybe an ex senior coach that can add something to the dynamic. We see Ratten in the Hawks box celebrating and getting lauded by Clarkson for his contribution to the club.
And what the hell does Lade do? Or is he just a good mate? He's not a career coach looking to coach senior footy? Has he got the passion to succeed and be a part of a dynasty? Let's get some blokes with ideas and a passion to succeed.
I think Hardwick needs more help and we have the $$$$$ but aren't prepared to spend them where it's needed.
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Start by showing FJ & BH the door. How long does a club have to put up with substandard recruiting?
Pay the money and get some decent recruiters.
The development is still a concern after the club has promised us that it's an area of prime importance. I still think they can get better people that can do a better job, whatever they are doing isn't enough and thanks to the faithful fans, money isn't an issue any longer.
The coaching staff need an overhaul. If Hardwick has to be coach, personally I don't think Hardwick is the guy but if it has to be him then let's get some decent assistance for him and maybe an ex senior coach that can add something to the dynamic. We see Ratten in the Hawks box celebrating and getting lauded by Clarkson for his contribution to the club.
And what the hell does Lade do? Or is he just a good mate? He's not a career coach looking to coach senior footy? Has he got the passion to succeed and be a part of a dynasty? Let's get some blokes with ideas and a passion to succeed.
I think Hardwick needs more help and we have the $$$$$ but aren't prepared to spend them where it's needed.
fffffffffffffffffizzactly
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Merge with any other thread
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Merge with any other team
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Not sure Geelong had many (if any?) players from other clubs aside from Ottens during their 3 premierships. This was a little different as FA hadn't been introduced but it illustrates there is more than 1 way to build a premiership list. Culture and development are as important as recruitment.
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Start by showing FJ & BH the door. How long does a club have to put up with substandard recruiting?
Pay the money and get some decent recruiters.
The development is still a concern after the club has promised us that it's an area of prime importance. I still think they can get better people that can do a better job, whatever they are doing isn't enough and thanks to the faithful fans, money isn't an issue any longer.
The coaching staff need an overhaul. If Hardwick has to be coach, personally I don't think Hardwick is the guy but if it has to be him then let's get some decent assistance for him and maybe an ex senior coach that can add something to the dynamic. We see Ratten in the Hawks box celebrating and getting lauded by Clarkson for his contribution to the club.
And what the hell does Lade do? Or is he just a good mate? He's not a career coach looking to coach senior footy? Has he got the passion to succeed and be a part of a dynasty? Let's get some blokes with ideas and a passion to succeed.
Maybe Hardwick is the problem, replacing experienced assistants with 1st year assistants(in the last three years) instead of getting assistants who would be of a calibre to replace him.
Maybe protecting himself will end up costing him his job in the long run.
I think Hardwick needs more help and we have the $$$$$ but aren't prepared to spend them where it's needed.
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Hardwick will be under even more pressure next year....be interesting to see his tactics & team selections...reckon well know fairly early on if he's changed his ways and whether it'll be his last year or not...another good early indicator will be the tackling & shepherding.... by then the side will've only had 6 seasons & 7 pre-seasons under him to finally get those two fundamentals right...
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If hardwick isn't getting the help he needs then he's too stuffn gutless to have asked for changes or too stuffing stupid to know he needs them.
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Frawley
McEvoy
Lake
Gibson
Hail
Burgoyne
Who did I miss?
All from other teams. We are delusional to think a team can be build by drafting alone.
Your right it is all about getting players from every available area.
The simple fact remains the vast majority of Hawthorns list is made up of blokes who were ORIGINALLY taken in the first three rounds of the nd. 28 OF 39 in fact, with just three players taken above pick 50 in those rounds.
They then utilise the rookie draft exceptionally well.
When they trade for mature players they trade for proven players, and those proven players usually have pedigree in the fact they themselves come from the early rounds of the ND.
Burgoyne - Proven player nd 12,
Gibson - Proven player, rookie draft.
Frawley - Proven player, ND 12.
McEvoy - Was Tracking nicely nd 9.
Lake - Proven nd 71.
Hale - Proven nd 7.
Sphanger Proven - nd 34.
It is a similar story with the WCE. 30 Of their 38 players on the list proper come from the first three rounds of the nd originally. Just one of those players was taken above pick 50.
WHen they have traded for players those players have either been proven, taken early in the nd or a combination of both.
Cripps - unproven nd 24.
Ellis - proven but injury prone nd 3
Kennedy - unproven at what 20yrs, nd 4.
Wellingham - Proven rookie.
Yeo - Tracking nicely nd 30.
There are lessons to be learnt in how these sides have gone about things.
What strikes me though is regardless of where their players have come from. ND, Trade, PSD, Rookie or F/A. The vast majority of both lists is made up of the top 50 kids originally from each draft.
I could be barking up a tree who knows its just an observation that may be invalid if i look at all lists.
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but on PRE they reckons hawks didnt trade for anyone :lol
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when you have quality ,both from the draft and recruiting and put them into a sound and good environment...bingo you get premierships
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Frawley
McEvoy
Lake
Gibson
Hail
Burgoyne
Who did I miss?
All from other teams. We are delusional to think a team can be build by drafting alone.
Your right it is all about getting players from every available area.
The simple fact remains the vast majority of Hawthorns list is made up of blokes who were ORIGINALLY taken in the first three rounds of the nd. 28 OF 39 in fact, with just three players taken above pick 50 in those rounds.
They then utilise the rookie draft exceptionally well.
When they trade for mature players they trade for proven players, and those proven players usually have pedigree in the fact they themselves come from the early rounds of the ND.
Burgoyne - Proven player nd 12,
Gibson - Proven player, rookie draft.
Frawley - Proven player, ND 12.
McEvoy - Was Tracking nicely nd 9.
Lake - Proven nd 71.
Hale - Proven nd 7.
Sphanger Proven - nd 34.
It is a similar story with the WCE. 30 Of their 38 players on the list proper come from the first three rounds of the nd originally. Just one of those players was taken above pick 50.
WHen they have traded for players those players have either been proven, taken early in the nd or a combination of both.
Cripps - unproven nd 24.
Ellis - proven but injury prone nd 3
Kennedy - unproven at what 20yrs, nd 4.
Wellingham - Proven rookie.
Yeo - Tracking nicely nd 30.
There are lessons to be learnt in how these sides have gone about things.
What strikes me though is regardless of where their players have come from. ND, Trade, PSD, Rookie or F/A. The vast majority of both lists is made up of the top 50 kids originally from each draft.
I could be barking up a tree who knows its just an observation that may be invalid if i look at all lists.
i fear you are crapping on again
chaplin, grigg, houli (?), hampson were all were ORIGINALLY taken in the first three rounds of the nd. and are p00
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when you have quality ,both from the draft and recruiting and put them into a sound and good environment...bingo you get premierships
Any chance you could head down to Punt Road and let them know this please? I don't think they understand this very basic plan.
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l said years ago to build a team it must be done around 2 key forwards & ruckman who can change with each other. We had the players but didn't use them properly & stuffed around kicking it backwards, sideways, overused, slow ball movement.
When we played long direct football we are a powerful side.
Maric carrying injury. Vickery has to be managed. Griffiths is always banged up :snidegrin Rewoldt does not have the ball delivered to him properly be it in the air for his strong marking ability or his hard fast leads. When we do go long & direct it works well.
We stuffed around with midfield after midfield & the key for midfield is having strong hip players who can put the block on & take the hits not small body players who get beat to a pulp. Players like Cotchin, Deledio, Edwards, Miles, Griggs, need protection so they can run & carry the ball out. Players strong like Martin, So we need to draft or trade or snag a strong hip player in a Tuck, Judd, Hodge, that can stand there & have players swinging off them. Until then we will not be a top 4 side. Lambert l see as a very good player who can take over from Cotchin or Miles. We need a Bennell in the half forward area & leave Deledio up forward.
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There is iron in your words TM!! :thumbsup :thumbsup
(Yes, I watched The Outlaw Josey Wales the other night) ;D ;D
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There is iron in your words TM!! :thumbsup :thumbsup
(Yes, I watched The Outlaw Josey Wales the other night) ;D ;D
l had no intentions of watching it for the 90th time :santa
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:lol
Sucked me in........again. Was off to bed and made the mistake of flicking the channel, 2 hours later.......................... :help
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That's why l have a TV on the bedroom wall. So l can watch Caro :santa
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lol that is one one of the most disturbing things i have read in ages, Monk
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lol that is one one of the most disturbing things i have read in ages, Monk
;D l don't watch that show. :lol why would any person watch that show that delivers old news & a load of trash talk
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Well with Bennell out of the race now we are stuffed!!!
The RFC go on about turning their attention to others, well Richmond WTF is left?????
While I don't condone what Bennell did, if he did it there is no point us chasing more Grigg/Chaplin/Houli/who the stuff ever!!! We need champs to build this team and not chumps!!!
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Griff
B Ellis
Grigg
Houli (maybe)
Conca
Batchelor
Chaplin
Lloyd
Gordon
Must go through trade or delisting, we cannot expect to win finals or a GF with this lot.
Add Hampson to this list too.
But you watch, we will still have Batch, Conca, Ellis, Lloyd, Houli, Grigg and Griff running around next year.....
Oh and we will Yarran, that will be our aggressive, war chest recruit... :banghead :banghead
We are so far off its not funny.
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lol at the mini meltdown.
have beer, wat
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lol at the mini meltdown.
have beer, wat
Nah mate I'm peeed about this, honestly, Aish, Redden, Treloar and all the rest of the big fish are gone. We will be left with the crap again and say how stuffing good we did.
:banghead
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lol at the mini meltdown.
have beer, wat
Nah mate I'm peeed about this, honestly, Aish, Redden, Treloar and all the rest of the big fish are gone. We will be left with the crap again and say how stuffing good we did.
:banghead
No-one has been taken as Trade week aint even started. It's upto players & Managers to do the deals. Its another thing to get the deals done & passed ;D We could have Dangerfield at the end of trade week for all we know. Money talks & the club is cashed up
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lol at the mini meltdown.
have beer, wat
Nah mate I'm peeed about this, honestly, Aish, Redden, Treloar and all the rest of the big fish are gone. We will be left with the crap again and say how stuffing good we did.
:banghead
No-one has been taken as Trade week aint even started. It's upto players & Managers to do the deals. Its another thing to get the deals done & passed ;D We could have Dangerfield at the end of trade week for all we know. Money talks & the club is cashed up
Yep just like we could still get Treloar. No trade is done until it's done. Put up a better offer than the Pies and it may happen (granted unlikely) but still possible.
What happens with Hawthorn? What if one of their blokes says they want out ? say Hartung?
What About Scott Selwood from the Eagles (we were going to draft him but we traded that pick for McMahon). He's a FA hasn't committed who knows if we are in with a show there?
Lot can happen the next 3 weeks, a lot will happen.
Great time of the year ;D
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Apparently Treloar was on The Marngrook Footy Show last week and talked about why he chose Collingwood and how great they are....so seriously doubt he's going to end up anywhere else....
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WAT did you expect anything less from a recruiting department led by hackson and hartley
seriously? i mean you would think they would have the brains to start making a serious play for hartung, anderson, whitecross types but they wont. Yarran is the only thing we will end up.
get rid of those 2, especially hartley and we may have a chance at drafting a treloar type.
Hardwick well any chance he could something right and poach monkey or ratten, instead he will probably extend mcqualter and bailey's contract and not replace clarke like he did with campo.
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Even that's assuming that Yarran actually will be decent for us....
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Even that's assuming that Yarran actually will be decent for us....
That was a typo. Descent wasnt supposed to be in there. Deleted.
Thanks for the heads up.
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^^^ This.
Sorry folks, I had the glass is half full attitude until Bennell...... but by the end of the trade/FA period it will be empty for another year.
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There is iron in your words TM!! :thumbsup :thumbsup
(Yes, I watched The Outlaw Josey Wales the other night) ;D ;D
Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle dixie
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;D
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^^^ This.
Sorry folks, I had the glass is half full attitude until Bennell...... but by the end of the trade/FA period it will be empty for another year.
You're absolutely certain on that?
As it Would now seem it wouldn't matter what they did now, you've called it, FAIL
Can't be anything else can it. You've decided
Me, I'll wait until the trade period is over and then I'll pass judgement until then just going to enjoy the ride
You really should try it.
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^^^ This.
Sorry folks, I had the glass is half full attitude until Bennell...... but by the end of the trade/FA period it will be empty for another year.
You're absolutely certain on that?
As it Would now seem it wouldn't matter what they did now, you've called it, FAIL
Can't be anything else can it. You've decided
Me, I'll wait until the trade period is over and then I'll pass judgement until then just going to enjoy the ride
You really should try it.
Its the most wonderful time of the year.
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Hey WAT didn't you rate Hampson most of the year?
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^^^ This.
Sorry folks, I had the glass is half full attitude until Bennell...... but by the end of the trade/FA period it will be empty for another year.
You're absolutely certain on that?
As it Would now seem it wouldn't matter what they did now, you've called it, FAIL
Can't be anything else can it. You've decided
Me, I'll wait until the trade period is over and then I'll pass judgement until then just going to enjoy the ride
You really should try it.
Yeah I will try it, had my vent.
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Hey WAT didn't you rate Hampson most of the year?
What a silly comment YR, 99% of people on this forum didn't until those very good games he played, before he was injured, so just stop it. He has had his day an now I am happy to say he is not part of the future, he is part of the crap that needs to leave!!
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Hey WAT didn't you rate Hampson most of the year?
What a silly comment YR, 99% of people on this forum didn't until those very good games he played, before he was injured, so just stop it. He has had his day an now I am happy to say he is not part of the future, he is part of the crap that needs to leave!!
My point exactly. Most didn't rate him but you did. It wasn't a silly comment because it leads to my next question. What changed?
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Hey WAT didn't you rate Hampson most of the year?
What a silly comment YR, 99% of people on this forum didn't until those very good games he played, before he was injured, so just stop it. He has had his day an now I am happy to say he is not part of the future, he is part of the crap that needs to leave!!
My point exactly. Most didn't rate him but you did. It wasn't a silly comment because it leads to my next question. What changed?
As I said, he was pretty well gone after that injury and in all honesty he along with a number of others are not the future.