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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on October 08, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
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Why did we miss out on Treloar and always mysteriously miss these big fish. Seems like something is missing from the picture right? Well, It's quite possibly because RICHMOND DO NOT OFFER WHAT OTHER CLUBS OFFER in terms of player payments for new talent.
Two sources which seem to correlate.
1) First, a guy with work (who is mad Richmond) has a son on another Melbourne based clubs list. The player manager and the family are obviously on good terms. This player manger has said a number of times that Richmond are a nightmare to deal with in order to facilitate player movements the reason being is always money offered for new talent.
We apparently nearly ALWAYS offer unders and new talent. The players considering a new club therefore nearly always have us as there least favourable option because we don't budge.
2) Secondly, I understand from separate means of information that we apparently offered 100k less per annum for Treloar than Collingwood.
Make of that what you will, but for mine if true it explains a lot.
Perhaps the club doesn't have much of a war chest. Maybe we are paying OVERS for many of our existing players.
Very concerning! I wonder what the hell is going on down there.....
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How much is Chaplin on?
Grigg?
Hamspud?
1m plus together?
:lol
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Why did we miss out on Treloar and always mysteriously miss these big fish. Seems like something is missing from the picture right? Well, It's quite possibly because RICHMOND DO NOT OFFER WHAT OTHER CLUBS OFFER in terms of player payments for new talent.
Two sources which seem to correlate.
1) First, a guy with work (who is mad Richmond) has a son on another Melbourne based clubs list. The player manager and the family are obviously on good terms. This player manger has said a number of times that Richmond are a nightmare to deal with in order to facilitate player movements the reason being is always money offered for new talent.
We apparently nearly ALWAYS offer unders and new talent. The players considering a new club therefore nearly always have us as there least favourable option because we don't budge.
2) Secondly, I understand from separate means of information that we apparently offered 100k less per annum for Treloar than Collingwood.
Make of that what you will, but for mine if true it explains a lot.
Perhaps the club doesn't have much of a war chest. Maybe we are paying OVERS for many of our existing players.
Very concerning! I wonder what the hell is going on down there.....
>:(
:banghead
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lol nice wind up, the mass murder has already popped a spring
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wind up not fact :whistle
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Treloar was coached by Buckley at junior level. That's why he wants to go to the Pies. There's no conspiracy theory. In fact, we were offering GWS a better trade with two first round draft picks (this year's and next).
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Absolute and utter crap. I have several solid direct and more than a few indirect sources who all would categorically disagree with this.
1) First, a guy with work (who is mad Richmond) has a son on another Melbourne based clubs list. The player manager and the family are obviously on good terms. This player manger has said a number of times that Richmond are a nightmare to deal with in order to facilitate player movements the reason being is always money offered for new talent.
Player managers prefer to have contracts signed quickly rather than elongate the process. Management take a 10% cut of any contract. However, most players are managed by a company, which would take 5% and the manager themselves the other five. Obviously this arn't always the exact numbers, but reasonable to assume its somewhere around this mark. So if a player is offer 350k a season, the company takes 17.5 and the manager 17.5.
If a player wants more money, lets say they're hoping for 500k, the manager works his arse off for 6 months, takes risks and gambles, ultimately its only for a personal gain 7.5k a year. Whereas, if they get the cheaper deal done quickly, the manager can look after 3 or 4 extra players and do the deals quicker and they're looking at 17.5k*3 or 4.
Obviously this are hypothetical figures, but anyone who knows the game knows that this is the status quo. RFC obviously understand this, and play the game accordingly. They know that if they play hardball, the management will ultimately want to ensure a faster signature rather than draw the process out.
Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
I absolutely will be upset and disappointed if we dont' do well after trade period is done and dusted, but until then can we please just wait and see.
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
Day in, Day out :banghead
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
Day in, Day out :banghead
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
Day in, Day out :banghead
Wat are you guys talking about?
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When the trade period hasn't even started yet lmao...
You'd think we'd actually landed a big fish in recent years the way some people talk about the trade period not starting yet.
Reality is we haven't landed a big fish in over a decade, and if the last few years and complete lack of promising rumors is anything to go by we won't be getting one this year either. Danger, Treloar, Bennell, Armitage, Shiel, Carlisle, Henderson, list goes on.
But hey until the trade period is over I'm just gonna sit here thinking we're hunky dory...
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Treloar was coached by Buckley at junior level. That's why he wants to go to the Pies. There's no conspiracy theory. In fact, we were offering GWS a better trade with two first round draft picks (this year's and next).
Just with less money on the table for Treloar.
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We are officially out of the race for Treloar.
Source: https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/status/651963899185491968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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:facepalm
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We are officially out of the race for Treloar.
Source: https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/status/651963899185491968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Is because of the money. Stikilda will offer more too. They aren't tightarses
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
Yeah you'd think with the awesome list management, brilliant coaching and all the finals success we're having now it would finally stop......
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Over all, I'm a bit sick and tired of posters here calling out for heads to roll, getting the masses ready, pitchfork and torch at the ready, when the trade period hasn't even started.
We get it every year, year in and year out
Yeah you'd think with the awesome list management, brilliant coaching and all the finals success we're having now it would finally stop......
Not only stop but you would think a positive vibe would be building
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I'm livid about all the lividness....
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I didn really want trelor anyway... :'(
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to quote Sir Humphry Appleby,,the boy is starting to look......"not sound" ;D
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What we really need at Richmond is
1. Somebody to point out that ___________ is a crap player (Insert Grig,Chaplin, Astbury, Griffiths, etc etc etc as you want)
2. Somebody to tell us like it is and state that our __________ is the worst in the league (Insert culture, record, finals aperrance, playing list etc etc etc as you want)
3. Somebody who really knows the game and is willing to state that our ___________ should be sacked (Insert Coach, Recriuting staff, List managers, President, etc etc etc as you want)
4. Somebody who tell anybody that is supportive of a player, the team or the club in general that they are ______________. (Insert Delusional, an Apologist, living in fairy land, etc, etc, etc as you want)
We all know where that Somebody would take us and what attitude he/she would install in the place. It just a matter of finding that person. I wonder where we could ?????
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What we really need is more fairy floss and bubblegum
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We need our tigers to be even more fluffy.
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What we really need at Richmond is
1. Somebody to point out that ___________ is a crap player (Insert Grig,Chaplin, Astbury, Griffiths, etc etc etc as you want)
2. Somebody to tell us like it is and state that our __________ is the worst in the league (Insert culture, record, finals aperrance, playing list etc etc etc as you want)
3. Somebody who really knows the game and is willing to state that our ___________ should be sacked (Insert Coach, Recriuting staff, List managers, President, etc etc etc as you want)
4. Somebody who tell anybody that is supportive of a player, the team or the club in general that they are ______________. (Insert Delusional, an Apologist, living in fairy land, etc, etc, etc as you want)
We all know where that Somebody would take us and what attitude he/she would install in the place. It just a matter of finding that person. I wonder where we could ?????
Surely talking about half the nuffies on this site. Imagine if they were the CEO or someone high up :lol :lol
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Why did we miss out on Treloar and always mysteriously miss these big fish. Seems like something is missing from the picture right? Well, It's quite possibly because RICHMOND DO NOT OFFER WHAT OTHER CLUBS OFFER in terms of player payments for new talent.
Two sources which seem to correlate.
1) First, a guy with work (who is mad Richmond) has a son on another Melbourne based clubs list. The player manager and the family are obviously on good terms. This player manger has said a number of times that Richmond are a nightmare to deal with in order to facilitate player movements the reason being is always money offered for new talent.
We apparently nearly ALWAYS offer unders and new talent. The players considering a new club therefore nearly always have us as there least favourable option because we don't budge.
2) Secondly, I understand from separate means of information that we apparently offered 100k less per annum for Treloar than Collingwood.
Make of that what you will, but for mine if true it explains a lot.
Perhaps the club doesn't have much of a war chest. Maybe we are paying OVERS for many of our existing players.
Very concerning! I wonder what the hell is going on down there.....
sounds like a club that hasn't played finals in years and has canyon size gaps on their TPP , whats so hard to believe about :o, how many votes did the superstars on collingwoods list collate bownlow night ::)
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
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What we really need at Richmond is
1. Somebody to point out that ___________ is a crap player (Insert Grig,Chaplin, Astbury, Griffiths, etc etc etc as you want)
2. Somebody to tell us like it is and state that our __________ is the worst in the league (Insert culture, record, finals aperrance, playing list etc etc etc as you want)
3. Somebody who really knows the game and is willing to state that our ___________ should be sacked (Insert Coach, Recriuting staff, List managers, President, etc etc etc as you want)
4. Somebody who tell anybody that is supportive of a player, the team or the club in general that they are ______________. (Insert Delusional, an Apologist, living in fairy land, etc, etc, etc as you want)
We all know where that Somebody would take us and what attitude he/she would install in the place. It just a matter of finding that person. I wonder where we could ?????
Surely talking about half the nuffies on this site. Imagine if they were the CEO or someone high up :lol :lol
It's getting worse too.
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
Dan Richardson is the Don Bradman of Richmond.......Don Bradman the administrator that is....
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
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It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.
Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value
Missing out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.
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I think that is a fair point it is not all about the money. There are other factors at play here.
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Whilst money isn't everything, we aren't a Hawthorn where players will take a lower amount to be part of. That is, we are seen as mere mid level contenders with about 10 other sides.
And when you are only prepared to pay 90% of other contender sides, you can see why it isn't the most attractive option.
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
Would the Buddy deal be considered overs?, would probably have thoughts so and more so now with his mental health issues. Has Buddy lifted the Swans?, I wouldn't have thought so in that they are a side hanging around 3-6 spot over the last few years but which can't stand up to the the top sides in the comp.
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Due to Tippett and buddy (in part), if the stay somewhat sane/fit
They are a (at least, somewhat realistic ) chance for a flag every season, pretty much
Hard to argue ten million is not overs. But the swannies are laugh with the length of the contract so it's an unusual one
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I'd argue tippett was over as well.
so the swans paid overs for two forwards.
In 2012 they kicked 2290 points, 5th most with league average 1990. they kicked 115% of the average
Picked up tippet 2013
kicked 2240 for the year. 4th most @ 109% of league average 2051
got franklin 2014
kicked 2126 4th most@ 112% of league average 1884
2015 kicked 2006 5th most @ 106% of league average 1889.
So they paid overs for two goal kickers, yet on raw numbers their scoring has dropped each year.
Taking into account the league trend, they have slightly declined, then dropped off significantly this year.
money well spent?
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Both will start top five favourite for the Coleman
For next 5 years
Or there abouts
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I'd argue tippett was over as well.
so the swans paid overs for two forwards.
In 2012 they kicked 2290 points, 5th most with league average 1990. they kicked 115% of the average
Picked up tippet 2013
kicked 2240 for the year. 4th most @ 109% of league average 2051
got franklin 2014
kicked 2126 4th most@ 112% of league average 1884
2015 kicked 2006 5th most @ 106% of league average 1889.
So they paid overs for two goal kickers, yet on raw numbers their scoring has dropped each year.
Taking into account the league trend, they have slightly declined, then dropped off significantly this year.
money well spent?
Great stats and research! :thumbsup We'll make an academic out of you yet!
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not stuffing likely
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It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.
Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value
Missing out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.
Sorry Angus i usually agree with most of what you say but this group is nowhere near a premiership.
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not stuffing likely
top ten
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It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.
Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value
Missing out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.
Sorry Angus i usually agree with most of what you say but this group is nowhere near a premiership.
Jake Needles is 24
saints might be close to a flag in six years?
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15 years is the mail :shh
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I would've thought that Dan Richardson would be well aware of the player contractual landscape considering his former employment.
This should be a determining factor in respect to player payments and attracting the right players to our club so we can build a premiership list
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
So if you run the stats like you have with buddy and Tippett does that mean, we should not chase top end talent?
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I think Dimma said it himself..the overriding factor is talent
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
So if you run the stats like you have with buddy and Tippett does that mean, we should not chase top end talent?
Not so much dont chase it, just dont crazy overboard to get it. This, naturally, means that it aint going to happen very often, though
A couple of things that stick in mind that I have heard mentioned from within the club.
That looking at overseas sporting comps, bringing in high profile players under free agency ultimately leads to loosing a number of lesser players. I don't think this is limited to free agency though.
The salary cap makes this just about a monty to happen.
That their recruiting policy was to draft for the top liners and trade for need. considering the first statement, this makes sense to me, but it pretty much means that most of your trades are not going to be at the top end of talent.
If you can get a top liner at the right price, then fine, but I'm not convinced chasing one at any cost just for the sake of it is the way to go.
If you look at whorethornes recruiting over the last few years, they certainly have not gone down this path. they paid quite a bit for Frawley (who i reckon has been largely underwhelming) but this of course was faciltaed by the loss of Franklin.
Astute, is the word i would use for their recruiting
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Astute like garlett sitting next to Budda in his cell?
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oh yeah, thats right, my bad. their recruiting has been crap, which is why they dont achieve anything :whistle
Is that seriously how you draw your conclusions on things? Ignore the overall picture and just draw on one example?
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al i dont think anyone compares to the hawks. Their recruiting and development (Box Hill)is second to none and unless we fix that part of our club, failure will follow us into next year.
WP thinks wins dont matter in the reserves and i call BS on that. It creates a competition for spots and when they are losing its hard to replace a winning formula (seniors) even though we know some players dont deserve to be there.
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which is why you use them as an example of what works.
as for winning games in the VFL.
It should not be the priority per say, the priority should be to develop your players.
The thing is though, that if you do this correctly, with the correct structures and personnel in place, the good football and therefore the wins, will naturally come.
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yes exactly what works is a successfull vfl side, on and off the field. I have heard clarkson mention many times that there are plenty in our vfl side who can do the job if they lose a few. Their quality of depth is incredible when you think about it. Mcevoy was playing in their vfl side FFS and our man dan think we are locked and loaded with hammer for next year as our back up.
I hope they make a move on choco to run that vfl side or lure a ratten away from hawks. You want to match it with the best then start poaching their off field talent.
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If you want to win in the VFL , just recruit 28 to 35 year olds that have been delisted, works for North in the AFL.
All jokes aside we need some experienced Ex AFL players to mentor the kids we bring in but the development of the kids is where its important for Richmond. We had a couple step up for us this year which was pleasing.
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WP thinks wins dont matter in the reserves and i call BS on that. It creates a competition for spots and when they are losing its hard to replace a winning formula (seniors) even though we know some players dont deserve to be there.
Please if you are going to quote what I think then it least get it right. I'd appreciate it.
What I have said many times is the CLUB doesn't/hasn't put the emphasis on winning at VFL level, its number one priority has/ is development.
I have said many times I DON'T agree with that line of thinking but that is their mindset.
Sadly, I can't see it changing. The way the put together their VFL list proves it, every year they bring in blokes not up to VFL standard. Why? Because the wins aren't as important to the CLUB as developing their AFL listed kids.
Can I make it any clearer?
So please don't suggest or imply that I think wins aren't important, I do but the club doesn't. Massive difference
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Are you say that they knowingly bring in blokes that are not VFL standard?
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Well il take your word for it, maybe i was wrong but let me check over the 55 pages
Development and losing go hand in hand for our vfl side. I mean not even the bean can crack it into our star studded senior side. Why is that?
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Interesting when you compare the dogs VFL side, which won the flag in '14 and how they went at senior level this year, with our own VFL side and how average they've been (bean!).
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Well il take your word for it, maybe i was wrong but let me check over the 55 pages
Development and losing go hand in hand for our vfl side. I mean not even the bean can crack it into our star studded senior side. Why is that?
Agree that part of development involves winning. But in the VFL and I've said many times if you don't have decent VFL players as your back up you going struggle. That's the one thing our VFL side has proven in its existence. Our VFL top up players are poor so they offer very little support to side in general
I actually replied to you a couple of weeks back that when it was announced Clarke was leaving that I'd love to see Choco coach our VFL side because we know that while his great strength is development of kids he wouldn't compromise winning and that's what I reckon our development program and by extension our VFL program needs
Are you say that they knowingly bring in blokes that are not VFL standard?
What I am saying is if you look at all other stand alone VFL sides in the VFL eg Collingwood, Bulldogs (in particular) etc that have at least 2-3 recently retired AFL players on their VFL list. We have a grand total of Zero.
These other clubs have target experience to assist with the development side of things we bring in blokes from local leagues. If we are lucky we may have 2-4 blokes with VFL experience. That's what I mean by blokes that are not up to VFL standard. We have guys on our VFL list that would not get games at stand alone VFL sides like Coburg, hence why they aren't on a VFL list
Personally and this is my opinion our club has a VFL budget and it is at the lower scale compared to what other AFL clubs fielding VFL sides spend and that's our problem IMESHO
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now im confused
other clubs bring in quality and/or experienced players to help with their development.
We dont because our main objective is development, not winning?
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now im confused
other clubs bring in quality and/or experienced players to help with their development.
We dont because our main objective is development, not winning?
Other clubs bring in the experience so they are competitive on field, you know that means they put some sort importance on winning. Part of development involves winning. It may not be the most import at thing but it is still part of it
Having blokes around you who (a) know how to win & (b) have recent AFL experience can only help with young blokes development. It's worked very well at the Bulldogs & Geelong
We seem to focus any development being done coaches. Reckon experienced players on field can have an influence
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Most of our targets remained with existing clubs , we lost Treloar with a higher offer From Coll, they are lacking in a depth of senior players post beams and shaw et al and can afford to bring in a high priced recruit that won't destabilise payment heirachy in place.
Geel(until now) or haw have never bought in players that would make them the highest paid on the list
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Give us a hawks pay structure last ten years
For poos and giggles
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WP out of curiosity who have box hill brought in that has helped them succeed? I use them as an example as I think it's not who they brought in rather who they have playing for a spot in the seniors. We still don't even know if bean, dea are any better or worse than the blokes in the seniors
Bojangles stop making poo up, who says we lost out to treloar due to money? Yep that's it we lose out to all of them due to money. Pies have Cloke, Swan , Pendlebury on equal or higher to that of treloar and we would have had jack, lids, Cotch and Dusty in a few yrs.
Tell me who would and deserves to get teary if treloar was offered 700k at punt road outside of those names? Grigg, houli? The kid is a jet and the simple fact is he like others doesn't want a bar of our club until we start to win in September
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
Buddy 'lets dump an A grade ruckman for' Franklin comes to mind. Terrible recruiting there. Lost them the bloods culture, way more important than any goals he kicks.
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Yeah it did too. Just finished top 4 ever since and were a few goals away from playing Hawks in a GF
Can see the bloods culture really in decline since he came on board
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Norths great 1990s side came through juniors together but i believe that was the last under 19s side to go on and become a winning senior side. I think Geelong deliberately recruited players who had been in winning teams in juniors and it lead to tbeir great success under Bomber T. I wonder if the Hawks do that these days?
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Yeah it did too. Just finished top 4 ever since and were a few goals away from playing Hawks in a GF
Can see the bloods culture really in decline since he came on board
They could have won the GF with Mumford and this year they just didnt have the spirit in the tight games. Maybe they were too old, maybe the salary cap was biting but I reckon they lost heart this year.
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I'm very tired.
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WP out of curiosity who have box hill brought in that has helped them succeed? I use them as an example as I think it's not who they brought in rather who they have playing for a spot in the seniors. We still don't even know if bean, dea are any better or worse than the blokes in the seniors
Different scenario Angus as Box Hill is a VFL side that has an alignment with Hawthorn. As a result they are required to have a much larger list (the field 2 sides VFL seniors & reserves). They then have available the Hawthorn players not playing AFL. So I am not sure it is a fair comparison.
Box hill is responsible for putting its list together. Being one of the stronger VFL clubs financially they've always been able to attract good players, not only they are good at developing and bringing through their kids.
If you want to compare our VFL set up to others clubs you have to look at Bulldogs, C'wood, Geelong, Pies, Essendon the stand alone AFL clubs fielding their own VFL sides
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Yeah it did too. Just finished top 4 ever since and were a few goals away from playing Hawks in a GF
Can see the bloods culture really in decline since he came on board
They could have won the GF with Mumford and this year they just didnt have the spirit in the tight games. Maybe they were too old, maybe the salary cap was biting but I reckon they lost heart this year.
To add to that the fact they lost Mumford to GWS, Malceski to GC and Jetta wants to go home speaks volumes.
As an aside next year is a real test for them, they will have replaced almost their entire GF backline except for Ted Richards.
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I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
So if you run the stats like you have with buddy and Tippett does that mean, we should not chase top end talent?
Not so much dont chase it, just dont crazy overboard to get it. This, naturally, means that it aint going to happen very often, though
A couple of things that stick in mind that I have heard mentioned from within the club.
That looking at overseas sporting comps, bringing in high profile players under free agency ultimately leads to loosing a number of lesser players. I don't think this is limited to free agency though.
The salary cap makes this just about a monty to happen.
That their recruiting policy was to draft for the top liners and trade for need. considering the first statement, this makes sense to me, but it pretty much means that most of your trades are not going to be at the top end of talent.
If you can get a top liner at the right price, then fine, but I'm not convinced chasing one at any cost just for the sake of it is the way to go.
If you look at whorethornes recruiting over the last few years, they certainly have not gone down this path. they paid quite a bit for Frawley (who i reckon has been largely underwhelming) but this of course was faciltaed by the loss of Franklin.
Astute, is the word i would use for their recruiting
Yet the hawks have been prepared to pay for their traded players. Id say both astute and prepared to pay at the same time. At the end of the day they have addressed a need or added some depth.
Anderson nd 27, nd 63, S Gilham
Burgoyne nd9 nd16.
Gibson nd 25, nd 41.
Gunston nd24 their first rnd pick, nd46, nd64.
Hale nd 27, nd 71
lake nd 21, nd 43
McEvoy nd 18, Shane Savage.
O'Rourke nd 19 first rnd pick, nd 40
Sphanger nd 64
Frawley UF/A no cost involved. Is a very good player . Imo that has always been the case.
The rest i totally agree with.
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payed a fair price, not overly stupid price.
it would be fair to say that these are not the only trades they showed interest in, just the ones that they could get at the right price.
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Yeah it did too. Just finished top 4 ever since and were a few goals away from playing Hawks in a GF
Can see the bloods culture really in decline since he came on board
They could have won the GF with Mumford and this year they just didnt have the spirit in the tight games. Maybe they were too old, maybe the salary cap was biting but I reckon they lost heart this year.
To add to that the fact they lost Mumford to GWS, Malceski to GC and Jetta wants to go home speaks volumes.
As an aside next year is a real test for them, they will have replaced almost their entire GF backline except for Ted Richards.
Anderson, whitecross, buddy and suckling are now all leaving or have left the Hawks
Bad culture? Pies lost shaw and beams. poo happens
Unfortunately we don't have players like Conca wanting to leave and we don't have the balls to throw them up for a trade.
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payed a fair price, not overly stupid price.
it would be fair to say that these are not the only trades they showed interest in, just the ones that they could get at the right price.
so young lady Penelope
how much would of the hawks offered for kreuzer or lburger?
300k?
400k
500k?
600?
hypothetically if they were in our quagmire
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lol nice wind up,
u sound like bo ::)
I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.
so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?
So if you run the stats like you have with buddy and Tippett does that mean, we should not chase top end talent?
Not so much dont chase it, just dont crazy overboard to get it. This, naturally, means that it aint going to happen very often, though
A couple of things that stick in mind that I have heard mentioned from within the club.
That looking at overseas sporting comps, bringing in high profile players under free agency ultimately leads to loosing a number of lesser players. I don't think this is limited to free agency though.
The salary cap makes this just about a monty to happen.
That their recruiting policy was to draft for the top liners and trade for need. considering the first statement, this makes sense to me, but it pretty much means that most of your trades are not going to be at the top end of talent.
If you can get a top liner at the right price, then fine, but I'm not convinced chasing one at any cost just for the sake of it is the way to go.
If you look at whorethornes recruiting over the last few years, they certainly have not gone down this path. they paid quite a bit for Frawley (who i reckon has been largely underwhelming) but this of course was faciltaed by the loss of Franklin.
Astute, is the word i would use for their recruiting
Yet the hawks have been prepared to pay for their traded players. Id say both astute and prepared to pay at the same time. At the end of the day they have addressed a need or added some depth.
Anderson nd 27, nd 63, S Gilham
Burgoyne nd9 nd16.
Gibson nd 25, nd 41.
Gunston nd24 their first rnd pick, nd46, nd64.
Hale nd 27, nd 71
lake nd 21, nd 43
McEvoy nd 18, Shane Savage.
O'Rourke nd 19 first rnd pick, nd 40
Sphanger nd 64
Frawley UF/A no cost involved. Is a very good player . Imo that has always been the case.
The rest i totally agree with.
im shocked they got orourke seemingly so easily
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how DARE you!
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-recruit-adam-treloar-reveals-why-he-chose-magpies-in-trade-period/news-story/86925e462ac06ea22005f891a6d202b2
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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2013-05-29/how-bucks-went-from-a-bear-to-a-magpie
lets hope history repeats for this little fgt
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I think Collingwood have a better list and a younger list (than Richmond). They’re interested in winning premierships and that’s my goal.
Pretty damning comment .....even he could see that we're happy to just make the finals....lofty goals are for other clubs it seems...
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Clearly it had nothing to do with Westpac and whatever else Collingwood chuck in their dirty little showbags.
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I think Collingwood have a better list and a younger list (than Richmond). They’re interested in winning premierships and that’s my goal.
Pretty damning comment .....even he could see that we're happy to just make the finals....lofty goals are for other clubs it seems...
So you're prepared to listen to a 22 yo little twit?
Says it all really.
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Would he still be a "little twit" if he chose us?
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Buckley mk11. hope it works out the same
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You hope he plays in 2 GF's, wins a Norm Smith, a Brownlow and a Premiership as an assistant coach?
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I think Collingwood have a better list and a younger list (than Richmond). They’re interested in winning premierships and that’s my goal.
Pretty damning comment .....even he could see that we're happy to just make the finals....lofty goals are for other clubs it seems...
Please.......if he wants to play in a premiership side he would be playing for the Hawks for minimum wage. Its all about the $ for him and his girlfriend being set up in Eddie media. Doesn't help that Gabby Allen will be employed but the Pies next year either :banghead Hope we remind him of his decision next year when we smash the Pies :whistle
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I think Collingwood have a better list and a younger list (than Richmond). They’re interested in winning premierships and that’s my goal.
Pretty damning comment .....even he could see that we're happy to just make the finals....lofty goals are for other clubs it seems...
Please.......if he wants to play in a premiership side he would be playing for the Hawks for minimum wage. Its all about the $ for him and his girlfriend being set up in Eddie media. Doesn't help that Gabby Allen will be employed but the Pies next year either :banghead Hope we remind him of his decision next year when we smash the Pies :whistle
yeah yeah
still be nice to know a) what hes on
b) what we offered
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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2013-05-29/how-bucks-went-from-a-bear-to-a-magpie
lets hope history repeats for this little fgt
Lying little Figjam! $$$$ was the reason
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W.F.C's.
He is dead to me.
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Wait till he kicks five on grigg
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aah stuff the little turd. Forgetting the fact that the RFC are not a place for most players these days for obvious failure reasons, this bloke is a wanker and i really hope he just had his buckley moment.
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Wanker that plays football quite well
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Wanker that plays football quite well
time will tell aye. I expect him to go on and be an elite player but didnt work for his old mate now did it.
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Wanker that plays football quite well
time will tell aye. I expect him to go on and be an elite player but didnt work for his old mate now did it.
Watch his games from last year ...
Time has told
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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2013-05-29/how-bucks-went-from-a-bear-to-a-magpie
lets hope history repeats for this little fgt
Lying little Figjam! $$$$ was the reason
Aye it was.
Hungry for the CAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH
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Wanker that plays football quite well
time will tell aye. I expect him to go on and be an elite player but didnt work for his old mate now did it.
Watch his games from last year ...
Time has told
but ...but...but...we sure showed Eddie & those filthy Pies when we snagged Walsh & Stewart.....er... I mean Townsend & Moore........ :shh
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So Adam Treloar has given an interview to the HUN with the CFC media dude sitting about a metre away... And people expect him to say what?
End of the day who cares, he made his choice. I for one am not interested in what he has to say
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Hes just put a massive target on himself
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Townsend on Treloar = Lonergan on Carrazzo..... :shh
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So Adam Treloar has given an interview to the HUN with the CFC media dude sitting about a metre away... And people expect him to say what?
End of the day who cares, he made his choice. I for one am not interested in what he has to say
we should care and drive his team and his head further into the ground. Some say its bullocks and he left for money, so why say anything at all.
he is a little turd in the buckley mould and not many players these days come out and bag another clubs list like that, even though there may be some truth to it.
Gee i hope the CFC miss finals again this year i really do
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Further more Angus,
I'd assume the afl player to wanker ratio is very high
I'm not sure why this is a relevant criteria. Most of the better players seems to be less they ideal humans ; Carey, Ablett
Fine line between confidence and tosser, at that level
role model stuff overrated. If it comes down to a wanker with aggots vs a top bloke that doesn't go hard, I'd prefer the one with the personality disorder. Interesting grant Thomas crapped himself after hall punched Maguire. Swans won the game then .
Hes just put a massive target on himself
Yep
He's rooted now, will cop the grigg tag :shh
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
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Hope he gets cleaned up big time...
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
But people also get upset when thy are not honest / pr fluff answers
'Yeah na one wek at a time
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
But people also get upset when thy are not honest / pr fluff answers
'Yeah na one wek at a time
yes but talk about your own club like jack did a few years back. Dont think anyone on here would be happy if one of our players say yazz did the same thing about north or blues etc
In fact reading yazz article was pretty spot on. This kid is a wanker and im tipping he regrets it went to press. Delidio martin cotch etc etc Shut the stuff up.
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
But people also get upset when thy are not honest / pr fluff answers
'Yeah na one wek at a time
yes but talk about your own club like jack did a few years back. Dont think anyone on here would be happy if one of our players say yazz did the same thing about north or blues etc
In fact reading yazz article was pretty spot on. This kid is a wanker and im tipping he regrets it went to press. Delidio martin cotch etc etc Shut the stuff up.
Much more highly educated people say the wrong things at the wrong time. I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's bit harsh calling him a wanker. The club should have edited the interview.
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New Pie Treloar is 'delusional', says Bartlett
AFL.com.au
November 19, 2015
TIGERS great Kevin Bartlett says Adam Treloar is "delusional" if he believes Collingwood has a better list than Richmond.
The new Magpie said on Wednesday he chose the black and white after leaving Greater Western Sydney because they had "a better list, a younger list, who in a couple of years time can hopefully win a premiership".
Bartlett said on Thursday morning Treloar had either been "brainwashed" since arriving at Collingwood or his head was "in the clouds" at the Pies' Falls Creek training camp, which started this week.
He suggested Treloar had "become delusional".
"I know Treloar has been in Sydney for the past four years and AFL doesn't get much media, and has missed the fact the Pies have been on a serious slide since 2011," Bartlett said on SEN.
"They've won two flags in 57 years.
"Adam, you'll have to be twice as good as I think you are for the Pies to win a flag before Richmond.
"Your coach made the same big call in choosing Collingwood over Brisbane to win premierships.
"Check the record books for that one."
Bartlett, who played 403 games for the Tigers between 1965 and 1983, declared in August that Treloar had indicated he wanted to be traded to Punt Road.
But after a period of controversy during which the 22-year-old underwent hip surgery that wasn't sanctioned by the Giants before he was traded, he became a Magpie on October 21.
Bartlett also said on Thursday morning he believed the Giants would win a premiership, possibly as early as 2017, before the Magpies claimed another.
He said the Pies were "on the slide", which was why they recruited Treloar, Melbourne's Jeremy Howe and Lion James Aish last month.
On Wednesday night, SEN's David Schwarz described Treloar's comments as akin to arriving at Collingwood's Holden Centre base and "giving the moon to the Richmond footy club across the train lines".
Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt refused to bite when questioned about what the Tigers thought about the new Pie's opinion.
"It's the first time I've heard it … we were pretty keen on acquiring Adam's services but he's chosen the Collingwood Football Club," Riewoldt told SEN on Wednesday.
"We're absolutely rapt with the guys we've picked up.
"Andrew Moore is the most recent one to come across from Port Adelaide and he's got some pretty strong ties with Richmond with his brother Kelvin being a life member.
"Chris Yarran is a great addition for us and obviously Jacob Townsend from the Giants as well, he's going to be a good player for us too.
"We're solely focused on the three boys we've got and we're really excited about the draft that's coming up next week and the young kids we'll pick up there."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/new-pie-treloar-is-delusional-says-bartlett
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Figjam found his protege Figjam junior hah, hope he has the same amount of 'success' which was 5 fifths of sweet fa.
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
But people also get upset when thy are not honest / pr fluff answers
'Yeah na one wek at a time
yes but talk about your own club like jack did a few years back. Dont think anyone on here would be happy if one of our players say yazz did the same thing about north or blues etc
In fact reading yazz article was pretty spot on. This kid is a wanker and im tipping he regrets it went to press. Delidio martin cotch etc etc Shut the stuff up.
Much more highly educated people say the wrong things at the wrong time. I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's bit harsh calling him a wanker. The club should have edited the interview.
Eddie would've encouraged him to say it.....both clubs want the bitter rivalry, have it on very good authority that McGuire hates us as much as, if not more than he hates Carlton...
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No sure that mentioning the 'non-choice' was the smartest thing he could have done. No need to bring us into it all, could have just said he was impressed most with Collingwood's setup and direction. Talking about us just stirred up things his club didn't need stirred up. Silly boy.
But people also get upset when thy are not honest / pr fluff answers
'Yeah na one wek at a time
yes but talk about your own club like jack did a few years back. Dont think anyone on here would be happy if one of our players say yazz did the same thing about north or blues etc
In fact reading yazz article was pretty spot on. This kid is a wanker and im tipping he regrets it went to press. Delidio martin cotch etc etc Shut the stuff up.
Much more highly educated people say the wrong things at the wrong time. I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's bit harsh calling him a wanker. The club should have edited the interview.
Eddie would've encouraged him to say it.....both clubs want the bitter rivalry, have it on very good authority that McGuire hates us as much as, if not more than he hates Carlton...
Don't worry when it comes to the Fat Controller and the cheating scum he manages the feeling is mutual.
We need to get a big screen TV put it on top of the Jack Dyer stand and replay the last qtr of the game against them this year as a response to little figgy's comments from yesterday. Better list...............ROFL!
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There was a fat kid in grade 3 who nicked my favorite pencil & then hid behind the teacher, he sat there waving it in my face from safety!
Now I know who that kid grew up to be!
Laugh it up Ed, but remember what happened after the lunch time bell rang ... >:( :santa
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Who gives a stuff.
Try and win a final, you stuffn girls.
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You hope he plays in 2 GF's, wins a Norm Smith, a Brownlow and a Premiership as an assistant coach?
While the team he leaves went on and wins a threepeat. Would prefer it was us but yeah I could live with that.
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GWS winning three flags in a row would be disastrous for the game IMO.
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GWS winning three flags in a row would be disastrous for the game IMO.
Not if 2 of them are against the Scum ala Brisvegas, including 1 where the Scum lose due to a controversially goal umpiring decision :lol
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GWS winning three flags in a row would be disastrous for the game IMO.
they would still have no fans
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Who gives a stuff.
Try and win a final, you stuffn girls.
this is the same club that came out with the 'we dont want a bigFish' rant, BEFORE trade week :whistle
http://i.imgur.com/225FEGq.gifv
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There was a fat kid in grade 3 who nicked my favorite pencil & then hid behind the teacher, he sat there waving it in my face from safety!
Now I know who that kid grew up to be!
Laugh it up Ed, but remember what happened after the lunch time bell rang ... >:( :santa
:thatsgold
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There was a fat kid in grade 3 who nicked my favorite pencil & then hid behind the teacher, he sat there waving it in my face from safety!
Now I know who that kid grew up to be!
Laugh it up Ed, but remember what happened after the lunch time bell rang ... >:( :santa
:thatsgold
:thumbsup
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-recruit-adam-treloar-reveals-why-he-chose-magpies-in-trade-period/news-story/86925e462ac06ea22005f891a6d202b2
perhaps if he was that concerned about paris he wouldnt have even brought up another club. Flog. Someone has probably been in his ear again after yesterday
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Would be so fitting to face them first week of finals, Townsend lines Treloar up off the opening bounce and we get up by 10 goals.
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Its funny little things like this reminds me why i cant stand that club. Arrogant stuffS. Fair enough hawks, fair enough cats but what is it 2 flags in 50 years.
FO
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The comments sparked debate among footy fans, prompting Treloar to issue a response on Thursday afternoon, defending his stance and asking fans to focus on bigger issues in life, citing the recent terrorist attacks in Paris.
...bahaha
:snidegrin
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#JeSuisAdam
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GWS winning three flags in a row would be disastrous for the game IMO.
they would still have no fans
...or credibility....which is why the AFL can't afford to have them dominating seasons or featuring in the biggest week & day of the football year for an extended period....Melbourne & the MCG will have less atmosphere than Canberra on a Tuesday night...
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The comments sparked debate among footy fans, prompting Treloar to issue a response on Thursday afternoon, defending his stance and asking fans to focus on bigger issues in life, citing the recent terrorist attacks in Paris.
...bahaha
:snidegrin
Adam Treloar is a 24 carot rolled gold flog
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I never once had a dig at Richmond: Treloar
AFL.com.au
19 November 2015
COLLINGWOOD recruit Adam Treloar has taken to social media to justify his comments about Richmond.
Treloar went public this week with his reasons for choosing Collingwood over Richmond, saying in his opinion the Pies had "a better list, a younger list, who in a couple of years time can hopefully win a premiership."
In what could be seen as a partial retraction, but stopping short of an apology, the 22-year-old passionately implored the footy public not to judge him as a person.
The former Giant drew on the terror attacks in Paris and death of New Zealand rugby union legend Jonah Lomu, urging fans to think about their priorities.
"I never once had a dig at Richmond, I thanked them heaps for there (sic) interest and effort in me and I wish them nothing but the best," Treloar tweeted.
"I got asked the question why I choose (sic) to play for the pies (sic), and of course people are going to disagree with me because people have different opinions, it's human nature.
"But don't judge me as a person because of a game that only takes up such a small part of my life. ITS JUST A GAME (sic)."
"So much more important things in life then (sic) football.
"i.e Family/Friends, tragic events that happened in Paris.
"(The) Passing of Jonah Lomu at such a young age.
"Think about your priorities and the stuff that is going on in the world, rather than having a crack at someone over a game that we play.
"I'm very grateful for my opportunity to play for the Collingwood Football Club."
His comments on Wednesday have drawn criticism and ridicule, including from Richmond legend Kevin Barlett who called the young player "delusional" and suggested the "poor kid has been brainwashed by some propaganda witch doctor."
Treloar's move to Collingwood in the recent trade period proved to be controversial, after he had surgery without the Giants' knowledge and a Pies produced video interview with him went public before the deal was officially done.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/i-never-once-had-a-dig-at-richmond-treloar
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:lol :lol
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Aaaand ... that's the last time little Adam will follow the script his new club writes for him! :lol
Call your manager Adam, he wants you to stop hitting yourself in public! ;D
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Please refer to said player as little foggy from now on. We'll all know who you're talkin about
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ahh Figjam junior learns the taste of his own foot, nom nom nom
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Figjam Jnr is pretty good, it will take some beating. But if he keeps whinging it up on social media I'm going with 'Trollour' ... or 'Trolleur' ... ;D
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-recruit-adam-treloar-reveals-why-he-chose-magpies-in-trade-period/news-story/86925e462ac06ea22005f891a6d202b2
perhaps if he was that concerned about paris he wouldnt have even brought up another club. Flog. Someone has probably been in his ear again after yesterday
Je suis ballbag
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Eddie knows the real story apparently
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ahh Figjam junior learns the taste of his own foot, nom nom nom
FJ for me
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He's a gun mid, not a hack recruiter...
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
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When did Collingwood last play finals? Is Treloar going to say "Richmond are better, but I'm playing for Collingwood". No. He'll pump up his club obviously.
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Claw has an opinion and he sticks to it.Not even a thermo nuclear device will dislodge that...Got to admire that .
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stoic in the mold of a suicide bomber
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.
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When you draft/trade in & out as often as Collingwood do is it any surprise that they get the odd one right!
But when you take away the media spin & look at it for what it is, are they really any good at it?
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.
but we are happy to have senior d graders on relatively huge deals
both money and years
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.
but we are happy to have senior d graders on relatively huge deals
both money and years
And who are these D graders on huge deals Stalin?
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
Yep, a lot of neutrals were laughing and saying collingwoods easily bc of all the first rounders they've traded in yada yada, but since then a few articles have compared both lists and whats come out is we have more top 20 picks on our list than anyone else bar GWS. We have more top end talent and whilst they've loaded up on bluechip stock last 2 years, they have no first rounder this year and next year whilst we do so that will even it up again.
Still, I'll be a whole lot happier if lennon, C.Ellis, B Ellis, Vlastuin and Conca go on to the next level. A lot of ifs, but most of that group are showing encouraging signs
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.
Disagree Ball Jolly Didak and Shaw would have been on average money. Shaw actually left for a pay day. the other three were at the arse end of their careers.
Hawthorn could not match the sydney bid they were prepared to pay plenty to keep him though. I heard as much as 850k the length of contract was the real sticking point.
Geelong were prepared to pay Ablett a massive amount and had endorsment schemes in place to supplement his wage. Im sure Dangerfield would have got just as much at Adelaide if he stayed.
Every club is in the same boat, well with sydney and gws the exceptions. every club is paying close to 100% of tpp including us. I would hazard a guess the pay scales at most clubs are similar.
When Treloar says he chose Collingwood because of a better chance at a premiership you can bet your bottom dollar that is what he believes. Rumour is he gets 700k a year, our offer would have been a match or damn close, so the difference in getting him is probably the next most important thing to a player. That is success.He chose Collingwood because he thinks he has a better chance of success.
As we all know we are not rated in the wider footy community so why would this shock people .
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order attempt future, long term success
we may have more top 20 picks but when you include the like of chaplin and hampson you are getting into clutching-at-straw territory
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So which list has more potential ? Richmonds or Collingwoods.
If i go by the article the other week where the number of players taken in the first round in thier initial drafts is any thing to go by then it is pretty even.
Why has not just Treloar, but Greenwood and Adams chosen Collingwood over us, my understanding we were into all three.Surely it is not just about money.
I am not sure why people are so cut up about a player saying he thinks another clubs list has more potential to win a flag. Have a look people, the whole footy world outside of our own don't really rate us. I wonder why that is?. There really is only one way for us to gain RESPECT.
They have had five first rounders in the last couple of years either retire become F/As or demand trades.They have basically replaced those first rounders with trades, Out Karnesis ret, Thomas F/A, Beams, Freeman, Kennedy trades. In Aish, Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.
It's about the money. Collingwood freed up a heap of cap space off loading premership players like Jolly, Luke Ball, Didak, Heath Shaw etc etc. They were then able to go and out bid us on all of these players. We have a strict payment plan we adhere to and we don't want to pay a kid a heap more than our captain and other senior players. All recent premiership clubs (Hawks and Cats) have had the same plan. None of their players are on big big money. It was one of the reasons the Hawks didn't even ever consider matching any bid on Buddy.
Now I'm not sure this will work for us but it certainly allows for a more harmonious club with players not getting annoyed that some young upstart who hasn't yet proven much is on bigger money than the best at the club.
Disagree Ball Jolly Didak and Shaw would have been on average money. Shaw actually left for a pay day. the other three were at the arse end of their careers.
Hawthorn could not match the sydney bid they were prepared to pay plenty to keep him though. I heard as much as 850k the length of contract was the real sticking point.
Geelong were prepared to pay Ablett a massive amount and had endorsment schemes in place to supplement his wage. Im sure Dangerfield would have got just as much at Adelaide if he stayed.
Every club is in the same boat, well with sydney and gws the exceptions. every club is paying close to 100% of tpp including us. I would hazard a guess the pay scales at most clubs are similar.
When Treloar says he chose Collingwood because of a better chance at a premiership you can bet your bottom dollar that is what he believes. Rumour is he gets 700k a year, our offer would have been a match or damn close, so the difference in getting him is probably the next most important thing to a player. That is success.He chose Collingwood because he thinks he has a better chance of success.
As we all know we are not rated in the wider footy community so why would this shock people .
Those guys at Collingwood I heard were on back ended contracts so they were on a lot of money. Heath Shaw and Didak won them that premiership that day so I doubt they would have been on peanuts even if my info is not correct. Ablett, Franklin and Dangerfield are probably close to the 3 best players in the league (especially when the deals were done). Treloar could be one of the best but is nowhere near those guys and may never be near those guys.
We were about $100K per year less than the Collingwood offer. That over a few years is a significant amount of money.
Well you can continue to believe that it wasn't for money. I will continue to believe players look at these clubs as employment and if they are seeking new employment the bottom line is still the most common reason that people change jobs.
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
was it stupid or were they as your mate claims " ... were at the arse end of their careers"?
cant have it both ways. for mine they are well positioned and i am rather jealous. the wallace-hardwick soft rebuild method gets you nowhere. but crappy draft picks and elimination finals
they still retain the core of the "youngest teams to have won a flag for a while.", outside of daisy the fairy
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The one and only reason why Treloar went to the Pies :sleep
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Eddie knows the real story apparently
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
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Why don't people wait and see how these players actually turn out? Some promising young players in there but we've had promising young players that have gone bust
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Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
Moore was a father son pick up so we had no chance there. DeGoey was taken by them before our pick. We picked up C.Ellis instead so why complain.Scharenberg has hardly set the world on fire and didn't they give away Heath Shaw for him and the latter just won a b&f at GWS? We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
As I pointed out, if Treloar came to us people would be saying we have the better youngsters and he made his decision before Aish had gone there.
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We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
I still think we should of got Grundy. Bigger list need :shh. Not that I'm unhappy
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Why don't people wait and see how these players actually turn out? Some promising young players in there but we've had promising young players that have gone bust
WOW if only most richmond people would apply that principal to our own. Talk about double standards.
In 2012 Collingwood finished top 4 and won a final. it has taken them just three years to go below us build and at the least get back on level terms.
Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
Your asking the wrong bloke my choice was Grundy in that draft once he slipped. Before he slipped i was all for Stringer but knew he would not slip so wanted Vlastuin. No complaints here, but i still think Grundy was the go though for the same reasons i thought then. He was a worthy top 10 pick and he filled a far greater need.
I also believe i advocated we take Stef Martin and Brent Moloney before the draft and rookie a kid called Darcy Cameron after it thinking Grundy would not be available..
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Why don't people wait and see how these players actually turn out? Some promising young players in there but we've had promising young players that have gone bust
WOW if only most richmond people would apply that principal to our own. Talk about double standards.
In 2012 Collingwood finished top 4 and won a final. it has taken them just three years to go below us build and at the least get back on level terms.
Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
Your asking the wrong bloke my choice was Grundy in that draft once he slipped. Before he slipped i was all for Stringer but knew he would not slip so wanted Vlastuin. No complaints here, but i still think Grundy was the go though for the same reasons i thought then. He was a worthy top 10 pick and he filled a far greater need.
How are they on level terms with us ?, last time we played, we beat them by 15 effin goals ya flog
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Maybe get over it.
stuff tree hore and stuff skunks...lets smash them round 2
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Why don't people wait and see how these players actually turn out? Some promising young players in there but we've had promising young players that have gone bust
WOW if only most richmond people would apply that principal to our own. Talk about double standards.
In 2012 Collingwood finished top 4 and won a final. it has taken them just three years to go below us build and at the least get back on level terms.
Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
Your asking the wrong bloke my choice was Grundy in that draft once he slipped. Before he slipped i was all for Stringer but knew he would not slip so wanted Vlastuin. No complaints here, but i still think Grundy was the go though for the same reasons i thought then. He was a worthy top 10 pick and he filled a far greater need.
How are they on level terms with us ?, last time we played, we beat them by 15 effin goals ya flog
And Melbourne made us look silly. By your logic you effin fool Melbourne are in front of us.
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ignoring ladder positions that is
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Why don't people wait and see how these players actually turn out? Some promising young players in there but we've had promising young players that have gone bust
WOW if only most richmond people would apply that principal to our own. Talk about double standards.
In 2012 Collingwood finished top 4 and won a final. it has taken them just three years to go below us build and at the least get back on level terms.
Collingwood won the flag in '10 and made the grand final in '11
regardless of what money the senior players were on, buckley and co. were brave to dismantle a successful team in order of future, long term success
If they win another one it may be looked at as brave. If they don't it will be stupid. They could have easily kept the best players and added to the team just like Hawthorn have been doing over the last 4 years. In 2010 they had one of the youngest teams to have won a flag for a while. It's not that they were all ready for retirement and thus should have been turfed out.
Heres a list of players Collingwood delisted/traded/retired the three yrs after their premiership. 2010 Anthony, Bartram, Blight, Cook, Corrie, Fraser, Lockyer (ret), Medhurst (ret), Obree (ret, Prestigiacomo (ret), Rusling (ret). 2011 L Brown (ret), Davis, idiot, Farmer, McCarthy, Stubbs. 2012 Buckley, Ceglar, Dawes (trade), Rounds, Tarrant (ret), Ugle, Wellingham wanted to go home trade, Wood, Yagmoor, Tom Young.
There is just four players who played in the premiership in 2010 who are gone by the end of 2012 Dawes, Davis,Wellingham and Leigh Brown yet they are tracking backwards.
The conclusion was the list they had was ageing well the top 25 players or so, and they could take them no further. Thus they entered into a rebuild phase.At the end of 2013 older players were delisted/retired/traded.
Didak 30yo, Johnson 32yo, Jolly 32yo, Krakouer 30yo, Russell 27yo, Shaw 29yo left for money, Thomas 26yo r f/a who had big injury issues. plus Paine traded to brissie ,Ben Richmond a rookie.
Up until this point what have they lost what is so wrong about what they have done since the premiership in 2010.
To me they were smart enough to see the list they had had done all it was going to do, they had no choice but rebuild and they have managed to do it without bottoming out.
They havent just willy nilly slashed players from their list
Essentially building around Pendbury, Siddebottom, Cloke, Swan
bringing in Trelor, Adams, Aish, Varcose, Howe
drafting Moore, Degoey, langdon, Marley Williams, S'burg, Grundy
Buckley > Dimma
We picked up Vlas instead of Grundy so are you complaining?
Your asking the wrong bloke my choice was Grundy in that draft once he slipped. Before he slipped i was all for Stringer but knew he would not slip so wanted Vlastuin. No complaints here, but i still think Grundy was the go though for the same reasons i thought then. He was a worthy top 10 pick and he filled a far greater need.
How are they on level terms with us ?, last time we played, we beat them by 15 effin goals ya flog
And Melbourne made us look silly. By your logic you effin fool Melbourne are in front of us.
Calm down clawski. It's a long off season
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that same logic puts us better than hawthorn
so melbourne must have won the premiership
:lol
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Wait whats going on Melbourne didnt win the premiership fmd.
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Fyfe broke his leg same place as last time
Maybe out season
Freo are shot 0-5
More so when you look at age demographic
I would be offering fyfe big money to get him over
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Fyfe broke his leg same place as last time
Maybe out season
Freo are shot 0-5
More so when you look at age demographic
I would be offering fyfe big money to get him over
Didn't he just re-sign recently with Dockers?
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Could b .
Make him hand in a transfer request