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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 27, 2015, 12:17:49 PM
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Okay, all our recruiting is done for 2015. How did we rate our recruiting over the whole trade/draft period?
Age Height Weight Recruited From Position
Trade. Chris Yarran 24 180 84 Carlton Small defender/forward
Trade. Jacob Townsend 22 187 84 GWS Giants Midfielder
DFA. Andrew Moore 24 189 88 Port Adelaide Midfielder
ND15. Daniel Rioli 18 179 69 North Ballarat Rebels Small Forward
ND50. Oleg Markov 19 187 75 North Adelaide Forward
ND67. Nathan Broad 22 191 83 Swan Districts Defender
RD12. Callum Moore 19 193 87 Calder Cannons Utility
RD30. Mabior Chol 18 198 81 Queensland Academy Ruck/Forward
RD47. Adam Marcon 23 180 80 Williamstown Midfielder
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can we swap for dangerfield and lburger ...
Yarren and Rioli;
- at least is should spell the end of the fat slow white richmond sides of old
- should compliment c ellis, vlasutin, martin, lids, chimp, edwards etc.
there is a lot of uninspiring selections lol, hopefully there is a miles, or two...
if anyone can replace
grigg [townsend, small moore] and
chaplin [broad, big moore] its a tick for me
chol > hampson :pray
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If chol comes good and one of townsend markov broad or c moore then it will be a good draft as I expect Rioli and Yarran to be good pickups. 4 regulars if only in 2 or 3 years out of a draft would be very good. But playing the odds only Rioli and Yarran will become regulars.
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can we swap for dangerfield and lburger ...
Yarren and Rioli;
- at least is should spell the end of the fat slow white richmond sides of old
- should compliment c ellis, vlasutin, martin, lids, chimp, edwards etc.
there is a lot of uninspiring selections lol, hopefully there is a miles, or two...
if anyone can replace
grigg [townsend, small moore] and
chaplin [broad, big moore] its a tick for me
chol > hampson :pray
Name the uninspiring selections.
Dangerfield was never going anywhere else part from Geelong. Leuenberger wanted to be number 1 ruck and that would upset loyal servants like Maric at RFC plus the burger has been injured for most of his career.
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We went to go shopping at Coles Tooronga and ended up rummaging through the Bargain Bins at BiLo Melton Sth.
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can we swap for dangerfield and lburger ...
Yarren and Rioli;
- at least is should spell the end of the fat slow white richmond sides of old
- should compliment c ellis, vlasutin, martin, lids, chimp, edwards etc.
there is a lot of uninspiring selections lol, hopefully there is a miles, or two...
if anyone can replace
grigg [townsend, small moore] and
chaplin [broad, big moore] its a tick for me
chol > hampson :pray
Name the uninspiring selections.
Dangerfield was never going anywhere else part from Geelong. Leuenberger wanted to be number 1 ruck and that would upset loyal servants like Maric at RFC plus the burger has been injured for most of his career.
Jacob Townsend
Andrew Moore
Oleg Markov
Nathan Broad
Callum Moore
Mabior Chol
Adam Marcon
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can we swap for dangerfield and lburger ...
Yarren and Rioli;
- at least is should spell the end of the fat slow white richmond sides of old
- should compliment c ellis, vlasutin, martin, lids, chimp, edwards etc.
there is a lot of uninspiring selections lol, hopefully there is a miles, or two...
if anyone can replace
grigg [townsend, small moore] and
chaplin [broad, big moore] its a tick for me
chol > hampson :pray
Name the uninspiring selections.
Dangerfield was never going anywhere else part from Geelong. Leuenberger wanted to be number 1 ruck and that would upset loyal servants like Maric at RFC plus the burger has been injured for most of his career.
Jacob Townsend
Andrew Moore
Oleg Markov
Nathan Broad
Callum Moore
Mabior Chol
Adam Marcon
FFS Stalin. None of those were high picks. The draft wa supposed to be shallow too. Give the boys a chance to prove themselves before you call them uninspiring.
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Only pick up I have a real issue with is Moore A.
Too early to make calls on the kids drafted but happy with the type of players we drafted
Really happy with Rioli and Broad
Think Townsend could be a really good pick up for what he cost us
Yarran gets his head and attitude right then he have a gun, we get the "bad" Yarran the obviously it will turns into a shocker. Reckon in 2016 we get option 1
Also happy to bring in another VFL player as rookie
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Only pick up I have a real issue with is Moore A.
Too early to make calls on the kids drafted but happy with the type of players we drafted
Really happy with Rioli and Broad
Think Townsend could be a really good pick up for what he cost us
Yarran gets his head and attitude right then he have a gun, we get the "bad" Yarran the obviously it will turns into a shocker. Reckon in 2016 we get option 1
Also happy to bring in another VFL player as rookie
Agree with these comments. The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list. He is also only on a one year contract. He must produce or he is out. I don't mind that at all.
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Watch Moore become another walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...
Another dud brought in for depth who ends up being first 22, while the kids "develop" with the bush leaguers we recruit for our VFL side.
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Watch Moore become a walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...
Dimma will have only himself to blame if he gifts games to players that do not deserve them. It is his head that will be on the chopping block. Just hope the club doesn't give him an extension till he has shown that he can get us past the first week in September. :pray
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Moore said in a interview that Hardwick told him he was there to play AFL football.....already pecilled in....might as well take the pre-season off....
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Where's the "woah :shh" option :shh
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Where's the "woah :shh" option :shh
It only appears in front of Bojo. ;D
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can we swap for dangerfield and lburger ...
Yarren and Rioli;
- at least is should spell the end of the fat slow white richmond sides of old
- should compliment c ellis, vlasutin, martin, lids, chimp, edwards etc.
there is a lot of uninspiring selections lol, hopefully there is a miles, or two...
if anyone can replace
grigg [townsend, small moore] and
chaplin [broad, big moore] its a tick for me
chol > hampson :pray
Name the uninspiring selections.
Dangerfield was never going anywhere else part from Geelong. Leuenberger wanted to be number 1 ruck and that would upset loyal servants like Maric at RFC plus the burger has been injured for most of his career.
Jacob Townsend
Andrew Moore
Oleg Markov
Nathan Broad
Callum Moore
Mabior Chol
Adam Marcon
FFS Stalin. None of those were high picks. The draft wa supposed to be shallow too. Give the boys a chance to prove themselves before you call them uninspiring.
I have been more inspired.
By some the things . Coming out of my dogs backside.
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Watch Moore become another walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...
Another dud brought in for depth who ends up being first 22, while the kids "develop" with the bush leaguers we recruit for our VFL side.
Do you expect anything less from dimwit?
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Moore said in a interview that Hardwick told him he was there to play AFL football.....already pecilled in....might as well take the pre-season off....
I suspect all players are told they are expected to play AFL level. Why recruit a player and tell him he will be great for the VFL :P
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Seems as though we've been trying to inject the list with some genuine leg speed over the past two draft periods.
Targeting kids that have tested at the pointy end of the 30m repeat sprints.
2014:
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
2015:
Nathan Broad 24.04
Daniel Rioli - 24.15
Mabior Chol - 24.30
Oleg Markov - 24.32
Interesting that we took the 4 fastest kids in the repeat sprints this year & 2 of the top 7 last year with Markov testing 6th fastest in 2014.
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Draft was ok, Rioli might be a reach but he addressed an urgent need , was easily the best small forward still on the board and arguably has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft...of course whether or not he ever hits that ceiling is another matter .....Hackson still overlooks the obvious with later picks though IMO - Ben Crocker was a must a pick 50 was staggered he lasted until 65...(so yes we weren't the only ones who overlooked him - difference is Hackson seems to do it every year)Hartley and Glass-McCasker, even though the latter didn't get picked up , the same with pick 67...he went first pick in the rookie draft anyway...suspect Broad would've still been there at our first rookie pick ....our cause isn't helped by our failure to trade back into the draft...there was some highly rated sliders this year....Collins, Dunkley, Hardwick , Balic would've been nice (assuming FJ noticed them)...even Hospital Mathieson, who I was dead against taking at pick 12 would've been a good get in the late 30's....
As for trading & recruiting - focused way too much time on chasing Yarran which hamstrung us in making other deals...and we still seem to recruit as if we're a bottom 4 side, rather than a side supposedly challenging for the Top 4. Looking forward to the day we have list managers who aren't obsessed with Port & their rejects.
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Draft was ok, Rioli might be a reach but he addressed an urgent need , was easily the best small forward still on the board and arguably has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft...of course whether or not he ever hits that ceiling is another matter .....Hackson still overlooks the obvious with later picks though IMO - Ben Crocker was a must a pick 50 was staggered he lasted until 65...(so yes we weren't the only ones who overlooked him - difference is Hackson seems to do it every year)Hartley and Glass-McCasker, even though the latter didn't get picked up , the same with pick 67...he went first pick in the rookie draft anyway...suspect Broad would've still been there at our first rookie pick ....our cause isn't helped by our failure to trade back into the draft...there was some highly rated sliders this year....Collins, Dunkley, Hardwick , Balic would've been nice (assuming FJ noticed them)...even Hospital Mathieson, who I was dead against taking at pick 12 would've been a good get in the late 30's....
As for trading & recruiting - focused way too much time on chasing Yarran which hamstrung us in making other deals...and we still seem to recruit as if we're a bottom 4 side, rather than a side supposedly challenging for the Top 4. Looking forward to the day we have list managers who aren't obsessed with Port & their rejects.
Who would you have traded to get back into the draft to then draft a spud like Mathieson? Crocker looks good but happy taking Markov and Broad. Dunkley was interesting as when i watched him play his pace and kicking looked to be a major concern. Dunkley would be the worst kick on any list but he does get the contested ball and gets to the right spots during games. I like to diversity of our selections and cant wait to watch Rioli put on a show!
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I'm pretty sure we could've found some expendable players to package up....that's where good list managers earn their keep...but apart from that, in this draft all we had to do was bundle up late picks to get an earlier pick from the Northern clubs who needed the points for their academy kids.
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Only pick up I have a real issue with is Moore A.
Too early to make calls on the kids drafted but happy with the type of players we drafted
Really happy with Rioli and Broad
Think Townsend could be a really good pick up for what he cost us
Yarran gets his head and attitude right then he have a gun, we get the "bad" Yarran the obviously it will turns into a shocker. Reckon in 2016 we get option 1
Also happy to bring in another VFL player as rookie
Agree with these comments. The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list. He is also only on a one year contract. He must produce or he is out. I don't mind that at all.
Agree with this, in fact the last 2 drafts have been more considered choices.
This draft has been a really interesting crop
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Watch Moore become a walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...
Dimma will have only himself to blame if he gifts games to players that do not deserve them. It is his head that will be on the chopping block. Just hope the club doesn't give him an extension till he has shown that he can get us past the first week in September. :pray
LOL he will get a two year extension before the start of the year bank on it.
Besides it is high time the ressies started to perform and put some real pressure on those senior duds.If we are to improve 4 or 5 of the following have to force their way into the team
FB/ Batchelor - Astbury - Morris
HB/ Castagna - Elton - Broad.
C/ Drummond - Lambert - Menadue
HF/ Markov - McBean - Rioli
FF/ Lloyd - McKenzie - C Moore
R/ Hampson - A Moore - Conca
INT/ Hunt - Marcon - Short - Chol - Soldo.
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Yeah McBean will need to start showing something ...
Wtf
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Needs to win the VFL goalkicking outright this time and by at least a 10 goal margin....
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He probably needs to start taking more contested marks.
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The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.
So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
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He probably needs to start taking more contested marks.
Not letting his man run off him would help too
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The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.
So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
So what? It will hardly make a difference to our bottom line. There is no use waiting for an injury if the team feels that his big body (Tuck/Jackson) is what is missing. Once you elevate him from rookie you have to pay him the minimum wage anyway. So I take the opposite view. Why waste a rookie pick on someone you think will fill a much needed hole? We need that person in the senior team.
Whether you think he fills the hole is another story. The coaching group think so and last time I looked they made the selections.
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The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.
So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
So what? It will hardly make a difference to our bottom line. There is no use waiting for an injury if the team feels that his big body (Tuck/Jackson) is what is missing. Once you elevate him from rookie you have to pay him the minimum wage anyway. So I take the opposite view. Why waste a rookie pick on someone you think will fill a much needed hole? We need that person in the senior team.
Whether you think he fills the hole is another story. The coaching group think so and last time I looked they made the selections.
No so what, just pointing out that saying he didn't even take up a spot on the list is pure BS. I also thought Townsend was recruited to fill that hole
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The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.
So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead on f paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
So what? It will hardly make a difference to our bottom line. There is no use waiting for an injury if the team feels that his big body (Tuck/Jackson) is what is missing. Once you elevate him from rookie you have to pay him the minimum wage anyway. So I take the opposite view. Why waste a rookie pick on someone you think will fill a much needed hole? We need that person in the senior team.
Whether you think he fills the hole is another story. The coaching group think so and last time I looked they made the selections.
No so what, just pointing out that saying he didn't even take up a spot on the list is pure BS. I also thought Townsend was recruited to fill that hole
Hey, don't worry about what they are recruited to do, remember, they won't play that role, it will be opposite to what they have ever done!!!!! Wake up. .
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Sudden impact: We rank your club's draft and trade periods
AFL.com.au
29 June 2016
EVERY club hopes its off-season wheeling and dealing has an immediate impact but it doesn't always work out that way. With the halfway mark of the season past us, it's time to assess who got their trading and drafting right last year - and who's paying the heaviest price for missing the mark.
17th. RICHMOND
Trade/FA ins: Andrew Moore, Jacob Townsend, Chris Yarran
Draft ins: Nathan Broad, Mabior Chol, Adam Marcon, Oleg Markov, Callum Moore, Daniel Rioli
Impact on 2016: Chris Yarran was hailed as the Tigers' marquee recruit, destined to lead Richmond into September and beyond. But from early in the season those plans were dashed as the former Blue underwent surgery on his foot. Yarran was then granted indefinite leave by the Tigers, late last month, to deal with a mental health condition and he has only just returned to the club. Andrew Moore and Jacob Townsend have filled roles in the midfield but aren't the type of players who are going to win you games. Nathan Broad has shown a bit as a key defender, while Daniel Rioli is an exciting prospect with a high ceiling.
Longer-term: The Tigers may have been guilty of overrating their list. If Yarran can bounce back and make an impact at senior level, the speedster has the ability to add a point of difference in Richmond's side.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-29/sudden-impact-we-rank-your-clubs-draft-and-trade-periods