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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on April 02, 2016, 12:44:30 AM
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First 2 games, have not seen a speckle of a game plan. We have thrown the old one out in fear or new rule changes. Probably had to.
Our game plan has always been, hold possession, short kicking, kick to touch when under pressure, create stoppages when possible and win contested ball = win most games. Pretty simple stuff.
Recruiting policy has been contested ball winners and good kicking skills ( :-\) to go hand in hand with our short passing game. Never have we focused on run and carry, pace or small forwards. Our football department has naively left all eggs in one basket of our 'Plan A' game plan.
With new rule changes we have been destroyed. That mixed with the same mistakes we have made for some years under Hardwick. We are in serious trouble. No kicking to touch because of tighter deliberate out of bounds. Can't drag the ball into a stoppage anymore. Thus less stoppages. This has made many of our contested ball winners somewhat less effective. We now have too many for a 'run and carry' game the AFL seems to be evolving to. Townsend, Lambert, Miles, Cotchin, Morris, Vlaustin all are contested players first and foremost. Chuck some others in there as well.
Add the interchange cap, contested ball winners are generally not running machines. Players are out on their feet most of the time, these guys aren't natural gut runners. We are getting killed with no pace or carry. The game has evolved passed our strengths. Another massive massive failure by our List Management and Football Department.
Saddest thing is this isn't something we can easily fix. Can't train pace. Not in short term., even then not a huge margin. Annoyingly at the end of Wallace era we had a heap of athletes and run and carriers who had no footy smarts, no skills and no contested ability during a 'contested era'. How ironic we now have a list filled with contested players as the game evolves back to a running pacey game. Only Richmond..
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We have actually more genuinely quick players on our list than ever before - they're all still kids though (and Drummond -arguably the quickest of them all - can't get even on the park )...except for Yarran who's injured, unfit and unmotivated and Taylor Hunt who's completely useless....
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We have more genuinely quick players on our list than ever before - they're all still kids though (and Drummond -arguably the quickest of them all - can't get even on the park )...except for Yarran who's injured, unfit and unmotivated and Taylor Hunt who's completely useless....
Sorry can't agree with that what so ever.
Out of any of the players who played tonight name as many as you can that you would deem as quick by AFL standards?
Menadue (not elite speed)
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B Ellis
McIntosh (being very kind)
Can't think of anyone else. Deledio and Edwards are our elite pace and they were missed. Apart from that who can break the lines at AFL standard. Nobody who played tonight....
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We have more genuinely quick players on our list than ever before - they're all still kids though (and Drummond -arguably the quickest of them all - can't get even on the park )...except for Yarran who's injured, unfit and unmotivated and Taylor Hunt who's completely useless....
Sorry can't agree with that what so ever.
Out of any of the players who played tonight name as many as you can that you would deem as quick by AFL standards?
Menadue (not elite speed)
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B Ellis
McIntosh (being very kind)
Can't think of anyone else. Deledio and Edwards are our elite pace and they were missed. Apart from that who can break the lines at AFL standard. Nobody who played tonight....
Treloar .....
Well done Richardson. :clapping
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We have more genuinely quick players on our list than ever before - they're all still kids though (and Drummond -arguably the quickest of them all - can't get even on the park )...except for Yarran who's injured, unfit and unmotivated and Taylor Hunt who's completely useless....
Sorry can't agree with that what so ever.
Out of any of the players who played tonight name as many as you can that you would deem as quick by AFL standards?
Menadue (not elite speed)
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B Ellis
McIntosh (being very kind)
Can't think of anyone else. Deledio and Edwards are our elite pace and they were missed. Apart from that who can break the lines at AFL standard. Nobody who played tonight....
Menadue is very quick - trust me - we haven't really seen it yet at AFL level...probably because he's stifled by Hardwick's rigid "structures"...
Rioli is blidingly quick , as is Drummond.
Butler & Castagna are both capable of linebreaking speed as is Short.
Even McKenzie is startlingly quick over 20 metres....
Markov
Choi ain't slow
Yarran & Hunt.
McKintosh, B.Ellis are "kind of" quick I guess.
Deledio, Edwards
That's 15 players - nearly a third of the list.
Treloar .....
Well done Richardson. :clapping
Richardson is hopeless....but in his defence there ....a bit hard to compete when A/ a bloke's girlfriend wants a job in TV, B/ The main rival for his signature has a President who is powerful in the media industry and C/ The AFL, being shyte scared of said president and club, turns a blind eye to salary cap rules regarding third party agreements.
If anything - blame Peggy & Benny for not pressuring the AFL to act by kicking up a big enough of a stink in public about it like Fathead no doubt would have if the roles were reversed....
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Half the list is a big stretch, but even so, nearly all of those players aren't in our best 22.
Lids, Edwards and Yarran come in, Menadue probably is squeezed out.
In our best 22, who are 'quick'.
Lids, Edwards and Yarran. Thats it. Ellis and McIntosh if we are being kind.
Compared to other clubs, we'd have to be seen as a slow team.
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Yes half the list would be a huge stretch.....particularly as I only mentioned a third....
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Yep that's what's wrong with our game plan pope.
Nothing to do with the biggest hacks like Hampson and Hunt trying to execute it on behalf of dimwit
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You can't make a smart footballer and I don't know our recruiting formula or strategy or whatever you call it but compared to other clubs we have too many football dumb players. Its too coicidental to have so many in one team so we must be attracting them or being attracted to them for some unknown reason.
Its very sad that we are heading back in list terms to the Wallace era and a team full of spuds with a weak core group of experienced players. Cotch is not the player he was and I honestly dont think he will be again. Lids body just cant hold up and with reduced interchanges the future is not good. We have no rucking division given Hampson is Hampson and Maric, well his body is shot also. Really we only have Riewoldt and Rance moving forward to build another team around.
So many sides have moved past us in the last 12 months and because our club seems to be wearing rose coloured glasses we will simply slide into oblivion from here. One positive is we should get a high draft pick but will of course will no doubt stuff the selection up yet again.
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Both sides looked slow and stupid
It was like watching 36 sons from the sprog of Hans Molman play....
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Master plan in the ruck:
- 40 year old Maric we he been tieless being trying to break last five years
- footys first women megan
- McBean who the coach hates and other aims sorted non rucks rucks like griff / charity selections soldo
Major issues regardless of rules
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Yes half the list would be a huge stretch.....particularly as I only mentioned a third....
:lol That was one of the stupidest conversations I have read. Not your fault, but Pope just seemed like he wanted to twist anything you said :lol
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What's this team fascination with playing on after a mark in the forward 50? TV looked like he was having more hallucinations rather than going back to have a set shot at goal?
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Sorry misread a third / half.
Your point isn't the issue. A third or half it doesn't matter. You can have the quickest VFL team for all I care. We have no elite speed players in our best 22. Lids maybe but he's getting on. That's not good enough. End of story.
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I already addressed the fact that most of our quick players are still kids in my first reply....you however initially stated that we didn't have enough quick players on our list, you said nothing about the best 22 until later...
Either way, the new quick attacking style of play that's seemingly in vogue after one and a bit rounds may be the start of a new cycle that last several years or it may well die down as coaches start to find ways to counteract it and sides adjust to the new rules....but if it''s the former, we at least have future talent & pace on the books now to be able to play that style....the real issue is whether we have the right coach for it...not to mention list management strategy...will we for example, eventually trade out or delist some of the quick & talented kids that Hardwick refuses to play, keep the same old plodders and bring in more hacks in our eternal search for that big bodied contested beast?
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I wouldn't bother Dio he just starts multitudes of threads as a frustration thing when not whacking off on Internet pootang
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What is pootang?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVDHnwlz5k
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Yes half the list would be a huge stretch.....particularly as I only mentioned a third....
:lol That was one of the stupidest conversations I have read. Not your fault, but Pope just seemed like he wanted to twist anything you said :lol
lol it didnt get any better
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I reckon Pope is onto something.
The possession at all costs game plan (small kicks, sideways kicks, over run and carry, long kicking) is so 2010 and teams which move the ball quickly and attack are now prevalent (in most of the 18). Even Hawthorn and Geelong have moved on and evolved but we haven't.
A big problem is our game plan where Hardwick is pushing the old outdated style. Funnily enough, until 2 years ago we were in love with slower inside type players and yes over the last 2 years we have drafted pace but the players are still being told to play the old way.
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Dimma fundamentals are based on 1970s philosophy
People shouldn't be surprised he's years behind everyone else
Boooo
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Look at Fremantle, they know the contested hold up play, numbers around football and in cluster style is dating fast. They are working on their next phase of game plan but are failing. They are still ahead of us in being proactive to evolve their style of play. We haven't even begun.
We just sit on our hands and hope that our game plan obssession with contested football and possession, which hasn't been good enough for the last 3 years will stand up to a game that has evolved to more outside football and speed with less rotations, goal kicking time limit, no kicking to touch and stoppage creation.
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Matty Lloyd mentioned this on Footy Classified on Monday night. He said the new rules (limited bench rotations & deliberate out of bounds) have reduced the number of stoppages considerably, and sides such as Richmond, Freo and Collingwood, who all played and relied on a high stoppage game in past years, haven't been able to adapt.
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Shame they never outlawed staging for free kicks while taking a dive