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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 15, 2016, 10:52:18 PM
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Which one has had the worst error at the club?
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You mean era right? Or do you actually mean error or both ;D
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You mean era right? Or do you actually mean error or both ;D
They've started out as an "Era" but ended as "Errors" :shh
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You mean era right? Or do you actually mean error or both ;D
They've started out as an "Era" but ended as "Errors" :shh
:thumbsup
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At least Spud won a final
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At least Spud won a final
He beat Carlton.
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Hardwick. He has had tge better lists.
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Against Carlton
Really if anyone is wondering if he can coach then watch dimwit in the box.
Never on the phone, just sits there and watches
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Hardwick is the worst because he's has 20 times more recourses than the other two put together.
Wallace is a flog thought he was great but was found out by the might of mediocrity & Miller was a bigger flog than Wallace and Casey was a bigger flog than Miller.
Spud is a good bloke but just had no idea and the club was an absolute shambles.
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Reckon Hardwick & Frawley are all as bad as each other
Both have failed for more or less the same reason and that is over rating our cattle and believing we are a few players away from a flag
Wallace failed because he didn't stick to the plan he sold himself, developing our own and building a list
TBBH right now I can't split em
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Hardwick could have gone out with some dignity but unfortunately he is now at the bottom of a massive hole which should by rights swallow him up for him never to be seen again. I don't know whats going on at the moment but someone somewhere involved with the club needs to set the record straight as to how things have come to this so quickly.
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You mean era right? Or do you actually mean error or both ;D
They've started out as an "Era" but ended as "Errors" :shh
:lol
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Hardwick is squandering the best years of the best talent we've had in decades.
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Reckon Hardwick & Frawley are all as bad as each other
Both have failed for more or less the same reason and that is over rating our cattle and believing we are a few players away from a flag
Wallace failed because he didn't stick to the plan he sold himself, developing our own and building a list
TBBH right now I can't split em
Ok then which out of the three has had the most resources? That might answer it for you.
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Reckon Hardwick & Frawley are all as bad as each other
Both have failed for more or less the same reason and that is over rating our cattle and believing we are a few players away from a flag
Wallace failed because he didn't stick to the plan he sold himself, developing our own and building a list
TBBH right now I can't split em
Ok then which out of the three has had the most resources? That might answer it for you.
In the last 3 years obviously Hardwick has, before then none of em had enough resources
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You don't beat reigning premiers for several years with the wrong cattle. Injuries play a huge part in our club the past few years. We have the players but need to change the way we play. Direct down the guts movement with big marking forwards win more games than going Backwards, Sideways, Playing wide hogging the boundry. The coach needs to take action on players who commit the same errors. If you going to lose you may as well lose by being tough on the players & if that means dropping players for constant rubbish just do it. The game plan is not working & breaking down badly. The coach has had long enough to build several game plans against all sides. This is not happening & we do have the right players. Off with the 2 coaches heads Hardwick & Chocco must go. Its been a failed summer getting it through & the coach must be terminated tomorrow
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Agree tm
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What time is it happening tomorrow?
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You don't beat reigning premiers for several years with the wrong cattle. Injuries play a huge part in our club the past few years. We have the players but need to change the way we play. Direct down the guts movement with big marking forwards win more games than going Backwards, Sideways, Playing wide hogging the boundry. The coach needs to take action on players who commit the same errors. If you going to lose you may as well lose by being tough on the players & if that means dropping players for constant rubbish just do it. The game plan is not working & breaking down badly. The coach has had long enough to build several game plans against all sides. This is not happening & we do have the right players. Off with the 2 coaches heads Hardwick & Chocco must go. Its been a failed summer getting it through & the coach must be terminated tomorrow
You really think a side with Chaplin, Moore, Hunt and Hampson isn't the wrong cattle? Then you've got guys picked up from the VFL in Lloyd and Lambert (who've actually been two of our best this year), guys picked up from other clubs who should be fringe 22 but seem to critical components (Houli, Grigg), overrated 1st round draft picks who get around like they're guns (Ellis and Vickery) and kids who show promise but probably aren't ready (C Ellis, Menadue and Rioli).
Don't get me wrong there are big issues with coaching, developing etc. but we also desperately need more class.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
if you reckon Richo Campbell & Knights are 3rd tier players you should stop watching the game & go follow golf & be someone's bag goffer. They were 3 very high quality players who needed a bit more help from the club. :lol
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Reckon we need to go to the photo to split them
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
if you reckon Richo Campbell & Knights are 3rd tier players you should stop watching the game & go follow golf & be someone's bag goffer. They were 3 very high quality players who needed a bit more help from the club. :lol
You misread Tdy's post.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
if you reckon Richo Campbell & Knights are 3rd tier players you should stop watching the game & go follow golf & be someone's bag goffer. They were 3 very high quality players who needed a bit more help from the club. :lol
You misread Tdy's post.
Yes l did :snidegrin so sorry ;D
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-recruiting-strategy-hasnt-worked-says-former-tigers-coach-danny-frawley/news-story/a03254510148acb3aa066d2445ff5882
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So Danny Frawley tell me why Hawthorn has not beaten Richmond in several years. His article makes no sense. When our players are not injured we are matching the Hawthorns & beating them so our recruiting has worked. Its the other players that need games into them. We have had some bad runs of injury the last few years. Hawks were very lucky to beat the Saints today & had to rely on Luke Hodge & Mitchell. They have alot of injuries also & the Box Hill Hawks have been good for some seasons while we have struggled & are building Richmond reserves side. We have also drafted players who walked away from the club 5 times at least in the last few seasons so that hurts any club. If we beat the Hawks in the premiership season again what will the next article be about :snidegrin
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Hardwick Malaka by a mile
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There is no difference between Frawley and Hardwick. They are the same person
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Hardwick knows more words
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Hardwick knows more words
When Hardwick opens his mouth its Benny Gale speaking
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
The compromised draft... our pick 2 turned into pick 6.... pick 7 Caddy, pick 8 Heppell, Prestia, Tom Lynch.... all available. Pick 30 Parker was available.
I think we only complain about the compromised draft because we stuffed it up so badly.
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Ironically pick 2 was Bennell.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
if you reckon Richo Campbell & Knights are 3rd tier players you should stop watching the game & go follow golf & be someone's bag goffer. They were 3 very high quality players who needed a bit more help from the club. :lol
No No No Richo, Campbell and Knights are examples of his first tier players (I'm not totally mad :) ) and I reckon his first tier had more talent than our current first tier (Jack, Lids, Cotch, Martin) and Wallaces first tier (An older Richo and Campbell again, a young lids) . What Frawley did was over rate his second tier and third tier. What Wallace did was bring in a rotten second and third tier. I don't think he overrated them, I just think he prayed hard that the selectors could do their job.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
The compromised draft... our pick 2 turned into pick 6.... pick 7 Caddy, pick 8 Heppell, Prestia, Tom Lynch.... all available. Pick 30 Parker was available.
I think we only complain about the compromised draft because we stuffed it up so badly.
Yeah but all the 17 year olds were gone from years previous, pick 2 was really pick 12 or there abouts for about 3 or 4 years.
But I agree we stuffed our drafts, which is why I am finally saying we must delist Jackson. I've given him the benefit of the doubt over 8 or 9 years now, through the under resourced periods, and it's time to go. In this highly resourced period he has consistently failed to find National Draft gems further down the rungs and the top picks he has hits and misses. Hits Lids, Cotch, Martin, Misses Griff, Conca
I wouldn't be surprised if we have done better from the rookie draft (Miles, Grimes) than our picks past 30 (in the last 5 years).
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Helicopter Campbell was a selfish, soft, unaccountable bludger and the start of an onfield cancer that we still haven't cut out.
No No No Richo, Campbell and Knights are examples of his first tier players (I'm not totally mad :) ) and I reckon his first tier had more talent than our current first tier (Jack, Lids, Cotch, Martin)
Nope - the current first tier's easily the best we've had since the 80's.....Hardwick's just strangled the life out of them...
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
The compromised draft... our pick 2 turned into pick 6.... pick 7 Caddy, pick 8 Heppell, Prestia, Tom Lynch.... all available. Pick 30 Parker was available.
I think we only complain about the compromised draft because we stuffed it up so badly.
Yeah but all the 17 year olds were gone from years previous, pick 2 was really pick 12 or there abouts for about 3 or 4 years.
But I agree we stuffed our drafts, which is why I am finally saying we must delist Jackson. I've given him the benefit of the doubt over 8 or 9 years now, through the under resourced periods, and it's time to go. In this highly resourced period he has consistently failed to find National Draft gems further down the rungs and the top picks he has hits and misses. Hits Lids, Cotch, Martin, Misses Griff, Conca
I wouldn't be surprised if we have done better from the rookie draft (Miles, Grimes) than our picks past 30 (in the last 5 years).
You forgot BEllis. It's taken awhile for all to see but most have caught on.
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To take that thought up if you look at footywire excluding the last two years which haven't really played out yet
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2014 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2014)
Rookies have played more games than the ND draft minus the first round
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2013 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2013)
3rd and 4th round ND just beat rookie picks in games played but one of those 4th rounders was a rookie promotion, if you put Petterd as a rookie pick then rookies beat ND minus the first round again.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2012 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2012)
rookies equal the 3 2nd rounders we had that year.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2011 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2011)
10 rookie games vs 20 ND minus 1st round. What a crap draft that was. This is a nil all draw.
Its not until 2010
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2010 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2010)
that ND 2nd round and below = 94 beats rookie 29 hands down and that's because of Jake Batchelor the rest of the ND failed.
WTF We do equally as well or better from rookie drafts 3 out of 5 years there and 2011 is almost a nil all draw. We ought to beat it hands down every year but it says how weak round 2 and below of the national draft has been under Jackson. There is no realistic way we can build a premiership team without regularly getting 2 or 3 good players per national draft. We don't have the Sydney salary cap allowance, nor the attractive anonymity a player gets in Brisbane.
If you get one good player in the ND and one in the rookie or another draft it still takes you 10 years to build 20 good players at which time a pile (half) have broken down or retired or moved on and your age and experience bracket just doesn't work. You really need 3 a year to get 15 good players in 5 years and it helps if you get a Geelong great year and keep 8 (was it 8 or 6, anyway it was a lot).
We need a talent spotter for the lower draft levels. Jackson clearly isn't it.
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Hardwick had more resources but he had a compromised draft. Frawley had the best list vs the rest of the competition.Campbell, knights, Richo, they just over rated the 2nd and 3rrd teir players on the list. Wallace had no resources and a poor list and over rated his own coaching ability. None have actually been good teachers or good judges of talent.
The compromised draft... our pick 2 turned into pick 6.... pick 7 Caddy, pick 8 Heppell, Prestia, Tom Lynch.... all available. Pick 30 Parker was available.
I think we only complain about the compromised draft because we stuffed it up so badly.
Yeah but all the 17 year olds were gone from years previous, pick 2 was really pick 12 or there abouts for about 3 or 4 years.
But I agree we stuffed our drafts, which is why I am finally saying we must delist Jackson. I've given him the benefit of the doubt over 8 or 9 years now, through the under resourced periods, and it's time to go. In this highly resourced period he has consistently failed to find National Draft gems further down the rungs and the top picks he has hits and misses. Hits Lids, Cotch, Martin, Misses Griff, Conca
I wouldn't be surprised if we have done better from the rookie draft (Miles, Grimes) than our picks past 30 (in the last 5 years).
You forgot BEllis. It's taken awhile for all to see but most have caught on.
I take your point, B Ellis has played a lot of games but were they good games? Well that's in the eye of the beholder. C Ellis is a worry too, he really needs to up his possession gathering skills.
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The only worry with kids like C.Ellis, Menadue etc is if they continue to be poorly coached & developed under the current regime - otherwise they're the least of our worries...they're actually the most likely to come good as they can still be saved by a change in direction....