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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 11, 2016, 02:21:41 PM
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Rival clubs eye Ivan for dual player/coach role
AFL.com.au
11 August 2016
RICHMOND vice-captain Ivan Maric could move into a dual coaching and playing role at another club in 2017 as he weighs up his future in the game.
Maric, who is out of contract and not guaranteed another season with the Tigers, has attracted some interest from clubs who are keen to secure a back-up ruckman.
It is understood the 30-year-old's leadership traits are also drawing interest from clubs looking for a development coach who could play when injury strikes.
The role being floated by interested clubs would be similar to that played by Mark Jamar at Essendon this season.
Former Adelaide, Western Bulldogs and Brisbane Lions ruckman Ben Hudson also joined Collingwood in 2013 as a ruck coach but was on the club's list as insurance, playing seven games over two seasons.
It is believed Richmond, which is developing Maric's cousin Ivan Soldo on its rookie list, is one of the clubs discussing such a role with Maric beyond 2016.
On Thursday, coach Damien Hardwick said a decision on Maric would have to wait until the end of the season.
"That's a list management decision we'll work our way through," Hardwick said.
"Ivan is an important player for us and he probably hasn't had the year that he or us would like.
"He's had some injury concerns across the year and just hasn't really got up and going at any stage.
"But we know what Ivan can do and Ivan at his best is a very, very good AFL player."
Maric, who comes out of contract at the end of the year, missed the opening four rounds of the season because of a back injury.
The 30-year-old was dropped after playing rounds five and six, with Shaun Hampson overtaking him as the Tigers' No.1 ruckman.
Form and fitness issues mean Maric has played just one game since, against Port Adelaide in round 15.
In sharp contrast, Hampson's career-best season was rewarded with a two-year contract extension earlier this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-11/maric-draws-rival-interest
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In sharp contrast, Hampson's career-best season was rewarded with a two-year contract extension earlier this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-11/maric-draws-rival-interest
Yesssssss :clapping
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In sharp contrast, Hampson's career-best season was rewarded with a two-year contract extension earlier this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-11/maric-draws-rival-interest
Yesssssss :clapping
I have it on good authority that he was offered the 2 years after he had his best training session for the year! :clapping ;D
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I have heard from some one who spoke to Maric's partner that he was pretty much told he was not in the plans for 2017.
I believe my source, I don't know whether she is just bitter of what has happened this year. But can only advise you guys of what i have heard.
Makes me sick if true, give Hampson 2 years but throw Maric away....
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I have heard from some one who spoke to Maric's partner that he was pretty much told he was not in the plans for 2017.
I believe my source, I don't know whether she is just bitter of what has happened this year. But can only advise you guys of what i have heard.
Makes me sick if true, give Hampson 2 years but throw Maric away....
To be honest Pottsy, Maric is cooked. He shouldn't need the club to tell him that.
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1st rounder please :clapping
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Will slot in perfectly with fellow, new coach, Troy Chaplin.
Dimmer is a genius.
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Will slot in perfectly with fellow, new coach, Troy Chaplin.
Dimmer is a genius.
Surrounding himself with spineless yes men.
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Ruck coach for the squad would be super. That way he has a development role and can focus on his cousin!
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
If he seriously thinks he's AFL quality then he can take his entitled attitude elsewhere because I'm sick & tired of players at Richmond dictating the agenda
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I have heard from some one who spoke to Maric's partner that he was pretty much told he was not in the plans for 2017.
I believe my source, I don't know whether she is just bitter of what has happened this year. But can only advise you guys of what i have heard.
Makes me sick if true, give Hampson 2 years but throw Maric away....
Honestly, if the club acted in any other way I'd be sick. No disrespect to Ivan - he's been a wonderful servant of the club and one of the few who's endeavor I'd never question - but he's suffering from a reoccurring injury and on the wrong side of 30. At no point has he looked up to standard this season, and has been disappointing even at VFL level. The club has been wonderful for Ivan in return.
I'm upset that he'll never be able to represent us again; I'll surely miss his heart and tenacity, but its just one of those things I guess. All the best Ivan - would love for him to stay involved at the club in some capacity.
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Thank you Ivan ... move on please ...
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Who needs cap or list space when we can be a charity or convalescent home instead? :gotigers
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
If he seriously thinks he's AFL quality then he can take his entitled attitude elsewhere because I'm sick & tired of players at Richmond dictating the agenda
Exactly where is Ivan dictating the agenda or showing an "entitled attitude"?
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He would be a good coach as he's a quality bloke but he might have hit the wall as a player
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Has he played 100 for us?
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Na pee him off. We need blokes who have tasted success and know what it takes to get there we have enough people in charge as it is who have done nothing but wallow in mediocrity all their careers.
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Has he played 100 for us?
Nup.
Ivan has played 80 games for us and 77 for the Crows.
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/I/Ivan_Maric.html#team
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Na pee him off. We need blokes who have tasted success and know what it takes to get there we have enough people in charge as it is who have done nothing but wallow in mediocrity all their careers.
Haven't Hardwick, Lade and Williams tasted premiership success?
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Na pee him off. We need blokes who have tasted success and know what it takes to get there we have enough people in charge as it is who have done nothing but wallow in mediocrity all their careers.
Haven't Hardwick, Lade and Williams tasted premiership success?
Yep. Strange Santa got that one so blatantly wrong. :shh
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Na pee him off. We need blokes who have tasted success and know what it takes to get there we have enough people in charge as it is who have done nothing but wallow in mediocrity all their careers.
Haven't Hardwick, Lade and Williams tasted premiership success?
Touche hard to argue with that. In fact i wont!!!!! those three have had success but at the RFC they are abysmal failures. So i concede the point. Those three though are Failures that Ivan has now been infected by. We need to change the culture bring in people who know what it takes.Ivan is a part of our culture and anyone who has wallowed in that culture is not for me.
Let Ivan go off and do an apprenticeship somewhere and then get him in with his new found knowledge and hopefully changed way of thinking. Anything he has learnt at this footy club cannot be good tigeritis is not a good thing.
Sorry its all ive got point conceded.
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
If he seriously thinks he's AFL quality then he can take his entitled attitude elsewhere because I'm sick & tired of players at Richmond dictating the agenda
Exactly where is Ivan dictating the agenda or showing an "entitled attitude"?
I did qualify that post by saying if he seriously thinks he is AFL quality - do you think he's AFL quality? Does he deserves other AFL contract as a whole player? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't, I certainly don't and he shouldn't. But if he does - which the article implies then I'd say pee off sunshine.
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Great servant but times up simple .More should go before him tho.
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I'd have no problem keeping him as a back up ruck/assistant coach considering our underwhelming ruck stocks.
He looks like he's done but thats only because they played him when he clearly wasn't right, it all catches up at some stage.
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Would keep him at the club in some capacity
Rookie spot or captain of our VFL side with development coaching role
RFC could do a lot worse than have this quality individual at our club
Na pee him off. We need blokes who have tasted success and know what it takes to get there we have enough people in charge as it is who have done nothing but wallow in mediocrity all their careers.
Haven't Hardwick, Lade and Williams tasted premiership success?
Touche hard to argue with that. In fact i wont!!!!! those three have had success but at the RFC they are abysmal failures. So i concede the point. Those three though are Failures that Ivan has now been infected by. We need to change the culture bring in people who know what it takes.Ivan is a part of our culture and anyone who has wallowed in that culture is not for me.
Let Ivan go off and do an apprenticeship somewhere and then get him in with his new found knowledge and hopefully changed way of thinking. Anything he has learnt at this footy club cannot be good tigeritis is not a good thing.
Sorry its all ive got point conceded.
No need to be sorry claw. I agree on most of your points also.
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Where we are as a list there is absolutely no reason to keep Maric as a back up.
The one thing Dimma has got right this year is identifying that Maric's body is past the rigours of AFL footy. Hence playing Hampson.
With where we are as a club, every player needs to be AFL standard or have the potential to be. There is no room for "back ups". And no need as a bottom 8 side.
Go all out kids- find a young ruckman and play him. Let him learn on the job. Grundy from Collingwood is a great example. They have played him from day one and now he is a very good ruckman and still only young.
The other thing is IMO, if you are in the market for a young ruckman, draft one. Not a ruckman come forward- not a forward that can pinch hit in the ruck.
Most of the young ruckman we have recruited for as long as I can remember have been these hybrid types- Vickery, Griff, Chol, McBean, Putt.
We have 5 stars, and some pretty exciting kids coming through, we really just need to rid ourselves of these "middle bracket" players and move on from them.
Grigg, Houli, Hunt, Moore, Townsend, Vickery, Griff and we could turn this around really quickly. These guys mentioned have got us as far as we are going to go with them. Move them on and reload.
Load up on kids and see how many good ones we can find.
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
And he sweeps out the clubrooms.
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
And he sweeps out the clubrooms.
So he should. Unpaid for the next 5 years
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
In his defence, I remember him turning it on late in 2013 and almost lifted us but unfortunately no one else followed.
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Where we are as a list there is absolutely no reason to keep Maric as a back up.
The one thing Dimma has got right this year is identifying that Maric's body is past the rigours of AFL footy. Hence playing Hampson.
With where we are as a club, every player needs to be AFL standard or have the potential to be. There is no room for "back ups". And no need as a bottom 8 side.
No room for back ups yet we've played our back up ruck man nearly every game this year!
Using Grundy as an example of getting and then playing a young ruck is quite misleading, that just doesn't happen very often at all.
Grundy was 100kg as an 18yo and was a stand out ruck in U18's, his type does not pop up every year.
Taking 18yo rucks in the draft is high risk as it is but then playing them at the highest level without a developed frame would be crazy.
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Grundy was 100kg as an 18yo and was a stand out ruck in U18's, his type does not pop up every year.
And yet we could have had him
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Grundy was 100kg as an 18yo and was a stand out ruck in U18's, his type does not pop up every year.
And yet we could have had him
Indeed,not many times you'd go a ruck with an early pick in the draft but that was one of them.
Couldn't believe he was still there at pick 18, I thought for sure GWS would've grabbed him with one of their freebie 1st rounders.
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Grundy was 100kg as an 18yo and was a stand out ruck in U18's, his type does not pop up every year.
And yet we could have had him
Indeed,not many times you'd go a ruck with an early pick in the draft but that was one of them.
Couldn't believe he was still there at pick 18, I thought for sure GWS would've grabbed him with one of their freebie 1st rounders.
Yeah, touted as a top 5-10 pick wasn't he? I thought we would have nabbed him at pick 9 but I'm guessing FJ had Vlas locked even if Whitfield made his way to pick 9
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
yer let's blame Maric for those losses..... granted he wasn't great in them but was the least of our issue's....
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be good to keep Ivan in a Coaching role, could be great for developing Ivan jr.
Coz what he bought to the floor when it counted ( to the finals 3 years in a row) was leadership personified.....
yer let's blame Maric for those losses..... granted he wasn't great in them but was the least of our issue's....
Yeah the players had nothing to do with it.
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On popular ruckman Ivan Maric, who is out of contract and playing in the VFL, Hardwick said the club would discuss his future at the end of the season.
AFL.com.au understands the Tigers are one of a number of clubs in informal discussions with the 30-year-old's management about a dual playing and coaching role for 2017.
"We'll sit down and have the chat with Ivan. He's an incredible person and an incredible character around our footy club and we'd love to see that continue in some way," Hardwick said.
"We'll sit down at the end of the year and have the discussion about Ivan. He was very close to playing this week, he had a terrific game in the VFL."
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-26/ty-vickery-may-have-played-last-game-for-richmond-at-any-level)
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On popular ruckman Ivan Maric, who is out of contract and playing in the VFL, Hardwick said the club would discuss his future at the end of the season.
AFL.com.au understands the Tigers are one of a number of clubs in informal discussions with the 30-year-old's management about a dual playing and coaching role for 2017.
"We'll sit down and have the chat with Ivan. He's an incredible person and an incredible character around our footy club and we'd love to see that continue in some way," Hardwick said.
"We'll sit down at the end of the year and have the discussion about Ivan. He was very close to playing this week, he had a terrific game in the VFL."
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-26/ty-vickery-may-have-played-last-game-for-richmond-at-any-level)
But because Megan rang me and asked me to select Hammer , how could I say no?