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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on November 24, 2016, 04:57:03 PM
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A Mid-20 Pick ...
Who is rumoured?
:gotigers
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So far I've heard:
Begley (yes)
Ridley (meh)
Himmelberg (nooooooo!!!!!)
Mutch (yes)
Pepper-Powell (yes)
Drew (meh)
Cox (meh)
Bolton (meh)
Atley (overs)
Morrish(??)
Clarke(meh)
Watson (??)
Poholke(yes)
Late mail from the experts seems to be that we'll take Himmelberg - who, based on what little I've seen, is a slow as stuff tall forward who looks shyte...
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So far I've heard:
Begley (yes)
Ridley (meh)
Himmelberg (nooooooo!!!!!)
Mutch (yes)
Pepper-Powell (yes)
Drew (meh)
Cox (meh)
Bolton (meh)
Atley (overs)
Morrish(??)
Clarke(meh)
Watson (??)
Poholke(yes)
Late mail from the experts seems to be that we'll take Himmelberg - who, based on what little I've seen, is a slow as stuff tall forward who looks shyte...
Must be him then!
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Himmelberg = Hindenberg = crash and burn
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Pepper Powell aka Pepper pig aka Herbert Powell with our 1st.
Reckon we will take a KPP/Ruck prospect (eg Ratugolea,Marshall or even Cameron if they last) with our second and best avail at third pick.
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Callum Twomey has us selecting Himmelberg with our first pick.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/29_rich_2016.jpg)
ELLIOT HIMMELBERG
4/6/98, 196cm, 89kg
Redlands
Injury in the second half of the season has meant Himmelberg has been a little out of sight and out of mind. But he has been on Richmond's radar for a while and he would suit their need for another versatile tall option. The younger brother of GWS academy recruit Harrison, who joined the Giants last year, is in the open draft pool after shifting to Queensland in the past 12 months. He can play at both ends of the ground, take a good mark overhead and is dangerous around goal.
If not him? Cedric Cox is a possibility, as is Shai Bolton if he's there. That would be a tight decision. An inside midfielder like Joe Atley or Dylan Clarke could also be a useful fit, and the Tigers also chatted with Brisbane Lions academy defender Declan Watson this week.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/himmelberg231116.jpg)
Elliot Himmelberg is a versatile tall option. Picture: AFL Photos
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-24/callum-twomeys-2016-phantom-draft
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Rotham's another we've been linked to at 27....
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@TheHornyLlamas HIMMELBERG good? Looks crap
@BrettAndersonIF based on what?
@TheHornyLlamas crap a bit harsh but generally players who dont even really have a best position are average. Surely much better options at
@BrettAndersonIF Carlisle didn't have a best position at same age. Himmelberg has similar size and aggression
@TheHornyLlamas do you actually rate him? He seems like another todd elton
@BrettAndersonIF He's got some good attributes. Played champs with fractured leg
@TheHornyLlamas if we didn't take him would he be there at our 3rd? 56
@BrettAndersonIF No
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/801686831460859904
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Now Emma Quayle has us taking Himmelberg as well.....with Pepper-Powell still on the board...woah FJ's parting gift... :clapping :gotigers
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Some guys who may still be there at 29.
Powell-pepper
Koby Mutch
Daniel Venables
Brandon Parfitt
Would be happy with any of them.Normally i dont look at smalls so early but i really like the look of Parfitt.
key defender Logue and key fwd Marshall would be great fits for us but i dont think either will be there.
I wonder if anyone thinks Luke Ryan a 20 yr old worth looking at.
Three mature players i hope we look at Brody Mihocek Timm House and Jye Bolton.Also dont mind the idea of us looking at Tom Stewart as a mature recruit as well.
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Callum Twomey has us selecting Himmelberg with our first pick.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/29_rich_2016.jpg)
ELLIOT HIMMELBERG
4/6/98, 196cm, 89kg
Redlands
Injury in the second half of the season has meant Himmelberg has been a little out of sight and out of mind. But he has been on Richmond's radar for a while and he would suit their need for another versatile tall option. The younger brother of GWS academy recruit Harrison, who joined the Giants last year, is in the open draft pool after shifting to Queensland in the past 12 months. He can play at both ends of the ground, take a good mark overhead and is dangerous around goal.
If not him? Cedric Cox is a possibility, as is Shai Bolton if he's there. That would be a tight decision. An inside midfielder like Joe Atley or Dylan Clarke could also be a useful fit, and the Tigers also chatted with Brisbane Lions academy defender Declan Watson this week.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/himmelberg231116.jpg)
Elliot Himmelberg is a versatile tall option. Picture: AFL Photos
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-24/callum-twomeys-2016-phantom-draft
stuff it.
Why not!
He looks like a Nutter, so we will know what to do at least
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Now Emma Quayle has us taking Himmelberg as well.....with Pepper-Powell still on the board...woah FJ's parting gift... :clapping :gotigers
So has Sam Landsberger in the Herald-Sun. So with Twomey's phantom draft, that's 3 from 3 saying we will select Himmelberg with our first pick.
Sam Landsberger (Herald-Sun)
29. RICHMOND – ELLIOT HIMMELBERG (Redlands)
H: 196cm W: 84kg
Position: Defender
Key back just keeps growing and plays with an aggressive streak Tiger fans will like. Brother Harrison debuted for GWS this year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-expert-sam-landsberger-reveals-his-phantom-draft-top30-and-pick-for-no1/news-story/9156827e6efbdc457aa48b0798375a74
Emma Quayle (The Age)
29 RICHMOND
ELLIOTT HIMMELBERG
Athletic key forward/defender from Redland, Queensland.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/who-will-your-club-choose-in-the-2016-afl-draft-20161124-gswol9.html
Callum Twomey (AFL website)
Pick 29 – Richmond – Elliott Himmelberg
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-24/callum-twomeys-late-mail-draft-bolter-keeps-bolting
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We obviously have a mole in the ranks, every year our number 1 priority is nailed by the media.
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Looks ok, must be something wrong with him, injury, depression, drugs.
More interesting is how this has got to the media.
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Now Emma Quayle has us taking Himmelberg as well.....with Pepper-Powell still on the board...woah FJ's parting gift... :clapping :gotigers
SPP according to Emmas phantom draft will not be on the board.
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We obviously have a mole in the ranks, every year our number 1 priority is nailed by the media.
I agree that this is unacceptable. Other teams can really benefit with planning when they know what we are certain to take.
They should just STFU (pardon my language).
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They should just STFU (pardon my language).
I'm offended.
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Not that excited over Himmlerburger either but would he be a case of need over best available?
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Now Emma Quayle has us taking Himmelberg as well.....with Pepper-Powell still on the board...woah FJ's parting gift... :clapping :gotigers
Dusty can teach Pepper the 'Don't Argue' when he gets to RFC. If this kid is available at our pick and we don't take him then there would have to be serious questions asked.
Also Shai Bolton is a definate NO IMESHO he is too light and not quick enough.
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@ 198 and growing and can crunch packs, take marks etc..willing to take the risk and pick this kid up. At the end of the day the cupboard is bare with talls dudes..Elton is taking a decade to develop into a delisted player and Soldo is copying him...we really need to act on our weaknesses asap.
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Patrick Kerr looks a lot more impressive in his highlight video
Himmelberg will be there at 56
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Patrick Kerr looks a lot more impressive in his highlight video
Himmelberg will be there at 56
yeah..i guess he does like he will fall through...at the end of the day I just hope they havent used any of FJ's notes..
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stuff it.
If it doesn't work out we can just cite mental health issues.
Seems to be what's trending down there.
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Now Emma Quayle has us taking Himmelberg as well.....with Pepper-Powell still on the board...woah FJ's parting gift... :clapping :gotigers
Parting gift? From what i remember they just swapped a few chairs around and he is still an employee.
NFI that club
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stuff it.
If it doesn't work out we can just cite mental health issues.
Seems to be what's trending down there.
i couldnt give a stuff if they picked up relton roberts.
Whoever they recruit will likely be another bust.
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stuff it.
If it doesn't work out we can just cite mental health issues.
Seems to be what's trending down there.
i couldnt give a stuff if they picked up relton roberts.
Whoever they recruit will likely be another bust.
we have neil this year so he will make the right move :banghead :banghead :banghead
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stuff it.
If it doesn't work out we can just cite mental health issues.
Seems to be what's trending down there.
i couldnt give a stuff if they picked up relton roberts.
Whoever they recruit will likely be another bust.
we have neil this year so he will make the right move :banghead :banghead :banghead
Is Neil in recruiting? Wow! The guy has at least 10 jobs at Punt road!
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We the way the club getting Balme after the Hiscock press conference.
Talk about uncreative reaction.
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stuff it.
If it doesn't work out we can just cite mental health issues.
Seems to be what's trending down there.
i couldnt give a stuff if they picked up relton roberts.
Whoever they recruit will likely be another bust.
What a sook lol
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Get a grip of it guys Himmelberg only 18 already people righting him off, some people having a meltdown we all know what happen when we picked Jack back in the day.
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Get a grip of it guys Himmelberg only 18 already people righting him off, some people having a meltdown we all know what happen when we picked Jack back in the day.
I don't think people are writing an 18 year old off.
We have written the club off as far as having any success, sustained or fleeting.
What child deserves to brought into an environment of corporate abuse, I ask.
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Get a grip of it guys Himmelberg only 18 already people righting him off, some people having a meltdown we all know what happen when we picked Jack back in the day.
its nothing to do with the kid. It has all to do with the club. Looking at the form guide he is destined to be a dud, who plays 200 games in the VFL and then gets delisted
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Get a grip of it guys Himmelberg only 18 already people righting him off, some people having a meltdown we all know what happen when we picked Jack back in the day.
He could well surprise us all but without the benefit of hindsight, do you think that in a draft that's widely considered one of the deepest and most even for mids in years but weak for talls, it's a sound idea to take a tall with our first pick at 27...especially given our record of drafting & developing talls beyond pick 18?
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Bottom line - The club, through its deplorable management, has made it hard for any intelligent. Supporter to "get excited" about anything.
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Alot to like
Elliott Himmelberg
Elliott is the brother....
Actually I don't like
Where's the link?
Add the appropriate link (source) or unfortunately your post will be removed
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But he's taller than 195cm.... :shh
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Fox Footy have him ranked at 75 ... :gotigers
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At the start in the background I saw Balme picking his teeth and fine eyes Francis looking at something really closely. It was only missing Ralph with a finger up his nose.
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Himmelberg will be an astute selection.
no matter what end of the ground they play him, people will be able to sook about him being played out of position.
good times ahead.
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Himmelberg will be an astute selection.
no matter what end of the ground they play him, people will be able to sook about him being played out of position.
good times ahead.
:lol
:clapping
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At the start in the background I saw Balme picking his teeth and fine eyes Francis looking at something really closely. It was only missing Ralph with a finger up his nose.
No Dimma ;D
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No worrys Administration sorry forgot.
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No worrys Administration sorry forgot.
See you said it comes from big footy but need the page /thread it comes from
You need to add something that people can click and they go to the original source
I've just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find it and can't, need more than thay saying it's from bigfooty
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Get a grip of it guys Himmelberg only 18 already people righting him off, some people having a meltdown we all know what happen when we picked Jack back in the day.
He could well surprise us all but without the benefit of hindsight, do you think that in a draft that's widely considered one of the deepest and most even for mids in years but weak for talls, it's a sound idea to take a tall with our first pick at 27...especially given our record of drafting & developing talls beyond pick 18?
What would have been sound idea was having enough nd and rookie picks to start with. Say three more nd picks and two more rookie picks. As you say very deep draft for mids and they were there late yet we took just one in both the nd and rookie drafts.
Another lost opportunity in the name of stability and by stability i mean keeping players on the list who are never going to take us anywhere.
By the way this draft was not a poor draft for talls. It was very light on for tall fwds but there was nothing wrong with the crop of tall defenders and rucks that were available in both.
Finally as far as taking a ruckman goes cameron would have been a good fit but the one i really liked was Lachlan Filipovic who went to melbourne in the rookie draft.
With just a few extra picks 3 4 5 even we could have targeted more mids a few kpds even matture ones like Richards and Schade who i like as a player or the 23 yr old Mihocek from pm and a ruckman
There would be a pool of about 20 players i would have been happy to give a game to weather they make it or not.Imo we would be better of with 4 or 5 from that pool than keeping many of the players we did.
Yep we hung onto too many spuds when we had an opportunity to cut em and because of this it restricted our opportunity to at the least try alternatives.
We continue to go about things the wrong way imo. A fully fit best 22 may make the 8 it may not. A really deep draft for mids and we take just 1.
Plenty of ruckman mature and young available and we cant rookie one and keep maric who is shot and still left with Hampson.
There was lots of tall defenders to be had right thru this entire off season and we take just one with a pick in the 70's How often does a pick 70 make it? but FMD its our answer to a very severe problem.
Ah well theres always next yrs off season.I wonder how many will drop off by then though.
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We took only one mid because we traded for Prestia and Caddy. That's 3 mids. More than enough.
Pick 72 was rated much higher in many other phantom drafts. The kid is raw but can play forward and back. I think he's a really good prospect.
I actually thought we did well overall. We picked up a good young ruck, 3 mids and 2 guys with heaps of x factor and a KPP.
The problem I have is we kept quite a bit of dead wood. Hopefully that will be first to go next year.
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We took only one mid because we traded for Prestia and Caddy. That's 3 mids. More than enough.
Pick 72 was rated much higher in many other phantom drafts. The kid is raw but can play forward and back. I think he's a really good prospect.
I actually thought we did well overall. We picked up a good young ruck, 3 mids and 2 guys with heaps of x factor and a KPP.
The problem I have is we kept quite a bit of dead wood. Hopefully that will be first to go next year.
Problem is we are always 1-2 years behind in rolling over the dead wood. It's been like this for years Doc.
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Absolutely no reason for the likes of Lambert, Batchelor, Maric & Conca to still be on the list...even late picks or an extra rookie spot could've grabbed us someone useful like Richards or Tom Goodwin.... I'd rather take a punt on a kid like Scharenberg than persisting with Conca or Lambert for that matter.....another rookie pick after after Stengle could've got one of Schade, Junker, Fox, Keilty, McInerney, Shaun Edwards....
There will surely be big clean out next year - Hunt, Townsend, Lambert, Batchelor, Conca, Maric , Grigg & Elton just for starters...blokes like Lennon & Butler will probably go too(unfortunately IMO)....reckon all our rookies bar Stengle will be nervous as well...and that's all before taking any trades into account...
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That's the dead wood I was talking about... :shh
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
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LMAO@Hindenburg wherd he go anyway?
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Adelaide took him with pick 51.
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
exactly
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
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I'm convinced claws just shirty because he had only had a minimal number of draft picks he could tell the world that richmond stuffed up with and proceed to prove how much better he is at this draft game because he can select multiple kids with each pick
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Absolutely no reason for the likes of Lambert, Batchelor, Maric & Conca to still be on the list...even late picks or an extra rookie spot could've grabbed us someone useful like Richards or Tom Goodwin.... I'd rather take a punt on a kid like Scharenberg than persisting with Conca or Lambert for that matter.....another rookie pick after after Stengle could've got one of Schade, Junker, Fox, Keilty, McInerney, Shaun Edwards....
There will surely be big clean out next year - Hunt, Townsend, Lambert, Batchelor, Conca, Maric , Grigg & Elton just for starters...blokes like Lennon & Butler will probably go too(unfortunately IMO)....reckon all our rookies bar Stengle will be nervous as well...and that's all before taking any trades into account...
Didn't they give Conca 2 years or was that just a bad dream!!??
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Ah shyte - that's right, they did too....goddamnit, now I'm annoyed about it all over again.... :banghead
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
Sorry but how is your statement any different from mine? Both state they were offered contracts to encourage them to leave but then they stayed...
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
Sorry but how is your statement any different from mine? Both state they were offered contracts to encourage them to leave but then they stayed...
It's a subtle difference. They could not leave if there was nowhere to go. So no matter how much of a hint they got, they would not have been able to leave with no takers. The fact they got zero interest from any team probably was more of an insult than the reduced money they were forced ultimately to agree on.
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
Sorry but how is your statement any different from mine? Both state they were offered contracts to encourage them to leave but then they stayed...
One spells it out plain and simple, the other requires a little thought to comprehend.
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
Sorry but how is your statement any different from mine? Both state they were offered contracts to encourage them to leave but then they stayed...
It's a subtle difference. They could not leave if there was nowhere to go. So no matter how much of a hint they got, they would not have been able to leave with no takers. The fact they got zero interest from any team probably was more of an insult than the reduced money they were forced ultimately to agree on.
Subtle difference does not equal incorrect, in fact your statement is incorrect :shh. Can tell you one of those players were offered a deal somewhere else that was less than the RFC so they stayed with us
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...should've just delisted the useless hacks...
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Most of which should've cleaned out this year and in some cases even last year....and if the current idiot list managers are still here, you can't really be all that confident enough of them will be cleaned out next year either....
It's a shame they took the contract they were offered instead of getting the hint and leaving
Incorrect. They were offered low ball contracts to encourage them to take offers from other teams. Alas no one wanted them...... :banghead
Sorry but how is your statement any different from mine? Both state they were offered contracts to encourage them to leave but then they stayed...
It's a subtle difference. They could not leave if there was nowhere to go. So no matter how much of a hint they got, they would not have been able to leave with no takers. The fact they got zero interest from any team probably was more of an insult than the reduced money they were forced ultimately to agree on.
Subtle difference does not equal incorrect, in fact your statement is incorrect :shh. Can tell you one of those players were offered a deal somewhere else that was less than the RFC so they stayed with us
If that's true, I apologise for my mistake.
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Tis true. I guess on the positive we are so depleted in that area we probably need him