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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 11, 2016, 06:41:49 AM
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Richmond star Dustin Martin wants to consider all free agency options
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
December 11, 2016
DUSTIN Martin’s contract negotiations could drag well into next year, with the Tigers star unwilling to sign away his free agency rights early.
The 25-year-old is a restricted free agent at the end of 2017 but has told friends he wants to take his time to consider his options beyond next season.
The midfield dynamo has come off his best season, finishing third in the Brownlow Medal as well as winning the Jack Dyer Medal and All-Australian honours.
A player of Martin’s versatility and durability could easily command $1 million a season, with the salary cap about to rise by at least 10 per cent next year.
It means if Richmond is to secure him early and sidestep a long-running contract saga they will have to pay well in excess of $800,000 a season.
His manager Ralph Carr refused to discuss his contract position on Saturday, with Martin still every chance to remain at Richmond long-term.
But he is known to believe that having earned free agency he will wait until he has all available evidence in the back end of next season before making a decision.
Martin took notice of Nathan Fyfe’s free agency stance in August, when the Fremantle star said players had a right to assess their futures.
“The idea of free agency is that players do have a say in their career and it would be remiss of me not to look at every possible option,’’ Fyfe said.
Richmond can match a rival’s free agency offer and will have salary cap room after trading star Brett Deledio and coming to a financial settlement with Chris Yarran in recent weeks.
Yarran’s deal with free up $400,000-$500,000 of room for 2018, while Deledio was one of Richmond’s highest-paid players.
Ideally the Tigers would sign Martin early in the season to remove his contract as a distraction for a side desperate to return to the finals.
But the Tigers have also undergone significant change that must be bedded down after revamping their football, coaching and recruiting departments in recent months.
Player managers and their clients will await the success of those changes after Richmond won just two of their last nine games in 2016.
Martin has missed just four games in his seven-year career, two of them for a club-based suspension with Dan Connors in 2012.
Only turning 26 in June, he is aware this will be his most lucrative contract with his current deal around $600,000-$650,000 a season.
With the notable exception of Lance Franklin, Hawthorn has been spared the concern over haggling with its stars, consistently signing them before they become free agents.
Free agent Grant Birchall has just been re-signed until 2019, with fellow free agent Luke Breust starting talks on a new deal.
But increasingly player agents are holding off on talks given their players have earnt free agency by eight years and are keen for them to maximise it.
Richmond will continue talks with Martin after meeting his management at the start of the off-season.
St Kilda and Adelaide have already denied they were keen to lure him away from Richmond.
Yet if Martin does end up out of contract towards the end of the season he would be chased by most clubs given his awesome package of skills.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-star-dustin-martin-wants-to-consider-all-free-agency-options/news-story/1625a0e01263ef835cb161f2130fd8d8
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He won't leave but absolutely has earns the right to make the club sweat a little if he so chooses...
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If i was him id leave. And i wouldnt blame him if he does.
Why play under Hardwick and in a team where his dud favourites keep getting games, when he could go almost anywhere else and have a genuine chance at a flag in the next 5-6 years.
If he wants to go we should pre-empt it trade him for two first round picks.
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yep trade him for 2 picks which they will most likely stuff up because the same idiots are in charge by way of shuffling a few chairs. :thumbsup
Dooks i agree. As much as i think he and Rance are just genuine superstars who could blame either if they wanted out with this regime.
I think lids leaving, jack not happy, could be a sign of things to come if as i suspect the hardwick models continues south.
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Let's hope the decision made on the new coach helps him stay
Dimma has already lost the confidence of lids
Dusty will be next if we don't act
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Hope he goes.
That will give posterity to the O'neal/Gale admin
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Hope he goes.
That will give posterity to the O'neal/Gale admin
Theyll just find a new way to entrench themselves within the carcass.
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Dusty is a restricted free agent so he just can't walk out even if he really wanted to.
How much of this is Ralph Carr's doing again rather than Dusty's? ::)
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Dusty is a restricted free agent so he just can't walk out even if he really wanted to.
How much of this is Ralph Carr's doing again rather than Dusty's? ::)
How much is Ralph Carr getting blamed for Dusty's decisions last time :shh
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
I reckon he'd stay if we offered to play him off the HBF, would also make us pretty dangerous therefore successful. Thoughts?
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
I reckon he'd stay if we offered to play him off the HBF, would also make us pretty dangerous therefore successful. Thoughts?
Why not the other 17 will be down there......learning their defensive side. :whistle
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
Concur, who do you think would be the best fit for him?
I am thinking possibly Collingwood, they may be ready for a tilt at the flag 2018, or St Killda may be as well
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
Concur, who do you think would be the best fit for him?
I am thinking possibly Collingwood, they may be ready for a tilt at the flag 2018, or St Killda may be as well
Collingwood? Taking the pee?
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
Concur, who do you think would be the best fit for him?
I am thinking possibly Collingwood, they may be ready for a tilt at the flag 2018, or St Killda may be as well
This whole thread will be full of pee taking and the little moaners
Collingwood? Taking the pee?
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Ralph: Dusty will need a million a year to stay at Richmond
By Justin Talent
SEN
12 December 2016
Star Tiger Dustin Martin will command at least a five year contract worth at least $5 million according to Jon Ralph, as the 2016 Richmond best and fairest winner looks to explore all of his contract options in 2017.
Ralph wrote in the Sunday Herald Sun that Martin, who is a restricted free agent at the end of next season, will not sign a new deal with the Tigers in the near future, preferring to explore all his options next year.
The football reporter, who also predicted that Adam Treloar and Jaeger O’Meara would move months before they departed their original clubs, says that while he considers this to be a move to inflate Martin’s value rather than a serious look at changing clubs, a long-winded contract saga is the last thing Richmond need.
This could force the Tigers into signing Martin as early as possible to a lucrative deal that would see him amongst the biggest earners in the AFL.
“I think he will still probably stay at Richmond but it will cost them a lot of money,” Ralph said on SEN Breakfast.
“Dustin will make them wait so they’ll probably have to sign a five year deal at about five million, maybe even six million to get it done early.
“I’m not sure that is what Richmond need right now. They need a nice orderly transition through to round one, where they can take on Carlton, beat them in round one and try and save Damien Hardwick’s coaching career.”
Ralph says that Martin would be worth every cent of a mega contract.
“He’s missed four games in seven seasons of football and two of them were suspensions,” he said.
“He’s versatile, he can play in the midfield, he can play as an isolated forward and we know he can play off half-back. All the headlines that surround him, he’s not the ratbag or the young immature boy that he once was…he’s 24 – that’s everything a list manager would want.”
Cameron Mooney disagreed, considering Martin’s value to be closer to $700,000 per year.
“He’s not a million dollar player,” the three-time premiership player said.
“I still think there’s baggage that goes with him. Whether it’s right or wrong, people just speculate there’s baggage going with him. In saying that, he’s a $700,000-plus player. He is a super player.”
Ralph considers that St. Kilda, Carlton and Adelaide are three clubs with the cash to pry away Martin from Richmond should he not sign a new contract before the end of next season.
The Saints and the Crows were linked to Martin this year, despite both clubs denying their interest in the 24-year-old. “They are clubs with massive salary cap room,” he said.
“We know there are clubs that have banked cash like St. Kilda (have) the inclination to go after star midfielders.
“They think they can get another eight years out of this bloke - he ticks a lot of boxes.”
Mooney considers it crucial that Richmond sign the restricted free agent as early as possible, despite having the ability to match any offer from another club.
“When it gets to a point where a player starts shopping round and another club comes and offers him $750,000 a year for five years, players just go ‘I’m gone’ and their mindset’s gone,” he said.
“It’s very hard for a club to stuff out $750,000 a year for five years to a player they know really doesn’t want to be there.
“He’s doing what most players will do now. They will have a look on the open market, bump their price up. I’m sure he would love to stay as a Richmond person, he’s been there since day dot, they’ve looked after him and helped him along the way but like any work place, you want to get what you can. He’s just going to push it as far as he can.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/12/11/ralph-dusty-will-need-a-million-a-year-to-stay-at-richmond/
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
I reckon he'd stay if we offered to play him off the HBF, would also make us pretty dangerous therefore successful. Thoughts?
Why not the other 17 will be down there......learning their defensive side. :whistle
What year did he play a little HBF, last year? Hmmm comes out 3rd in the Brownlow this year. Cannot be a coincidence #haildimma #masterstroke
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
I reckon he'd stay if we offered to play him off the HBF, would also make us pretty dangerous therefore successful. Thoughts?
Why not the other 17 will be down there......learning their defensive side. :whistle
What year did he play a little HBF, last year? Hmmm comes out 3rd in the Brownlow this year. Cannot be a coincidence #haildimma #masterstroke
Yep but I bet you dont see anyone giving him credit
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Gone. :shh
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If we perofrm and actually become successful he will stay......goodbye Dusty. :snidegrin
I reckon he'd stay if we offered to play him off the HBF, would also make us pretty dangerous therefore successful. Thoughts?
Why not the other 17 will be down there......learning their defensive side. :whistle
What year did he play a little HBF, last year? Hmmm comes out 3rd in the Brownlow this year. Cannot be a coincidence #haildimma #masterstroke
Yep but I bet you dont see anyone giving him credit
Need to put all our young stars across half back
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Gone. :shh
Where?
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
Concur, who do you think would be the best fit for him?
I am thinking possibly Collingwood, they may be ready for a tilt at the flag 2018, or St Killda may be as well
Imagine the Dog's with him? But, I would think Sydney, the big lights for Dusty and a fresh start.
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Oh well at least this talk will take the spotlight for our year, regardless of how we go.
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Given who his manager is this sounds like a beat up to get some big coin. Fair enough too, just give him a blank cheque.
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I really hope he stays but I just cant see it unless we are up to wining a premiership.
Concur, who do you think would be the best fit for him?
I am thinking possibly Collingwood, they may be ready for a tilt at the flag 2018, or St Killda may be as well
Collingwood? Taking the pee?
Has to be....Collingwood are as far away from a flag as us....
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Cameron Mooney disagreed, considering Martin’s value to be closer to $700,000 per year.
“He’s not a million dollar player,” the three-time premiership player said.
I agree with this. For all his potential, Dusty isn't a player worth $1million at the moment.
Problem, is, with free agency the way it is, that is what he will cost.
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Cameron Mooney disagreed, considering Martin’s value to be closer to $700,000 per year.
“He’s not a million dollar player,” the three-time premiership player said.
I agree with this. For all his potential, Dusty isn't a player worth $1million at the moment.
Problem, is, with free agency the way it is, that is what he will cost.
People on thins forum said words to that affect when he was looking around last time. He is worth more to us than Franklin is to the Swans and look at what they pay him.
If it wasn't for Martin we would have had pick 1 in the draft. Throw the bloody bank at him.
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People on thins forum said words to that affect when he was looking around last time
lmao, they were proven to be right too.
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People on thins forum said words to that affect when he was looking around last time
lmao, they were proven to be right too.
HTF do you work that out? Never mind the $$ side of it, his worth on the field is well over what we pay him. Will not happen again, even you as the expert could see that.
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quite simple, no body made an offer more than what we offered.
We was offered market value at the time otherwise someone would have made a better offer.
Lmao at being told not to worry about the $ side of things in a discussion about $. Dont want to cloud the waters do we?
:lol :lol
But then again, you do think they got it wrong by making an offer he accepted
:lol :lol
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The mighty one has spoken. :bow
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:lol
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The mighty one has spoken. :bow
It's a fair question Al is asking tho?
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Need more this time and we may need to pay overs if required, other clubs will pay him what he wants.
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Should see what clubs are prepared to trade for him instead.
If he wants $1million/yeah and a club is prepared to trade good picks and players for him it could be worth our while to see what we'd get.
Consider GWS. They have a lot of good players coming out of contract. If they're prepared to pay 1st round picks + Patton it might be worth a look.
Once Martin decides he wants out we really just need to see what we can get for him.
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"Dustin Martin not worth $1 million" - Cam Mooney
The 25-year-old is off contract at the Tigers at the end of 2017 and is expected to test the open market.
He finished third in the 2016 Brownlow count and won Richmond’s best and fairest but Mooney says that does not equate to a seven-figure pay packet.
“He’s not a million dollar player. I still think there’s baggage that goes with him. Whether it’s right or wrong, people just speculate there’s baggage going with him,” Mooney told SEN.
“But in saying that, he’s a $700,000-plus player … He’s a super player.
“I’m sure he’d love to stay as a Richmond person, he’s been there since day dot, they’ve looked after him, they’ve helped him along the way. But as a player, like anything and like workplace, you want to get what you can.
“He’s just going to push it as far as he can and hopefully from a Richmond point of view he’d stay there and sign.”
Mooney said a poor season by the Tigers could lead Martin to seriously entertain moving clubs after seven years at Richmond.
“If they have a horrible, horrible year, any player starts looking elsewhere when they’re out of contract, particularly if really strong clubs come to them and say ‘this is what we can offer you, this is our list, this is where we want you in the next three, four or five years’ … when you’ve got those clubs in your ear and your club’s going really poor, it’s hard not to listen and take those options,” Mooney said.
http://www.insidesport.com.au/afl/news/dustin-martin-not-worth-1-million--444371
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Who cares if he leaves, we have Prestia Caddy and Hunt now..;)
Good luck to the kid who has built up a bloody good rep in times when everything under the sun was thrown at him and he just stepped up and produced every time. We better get the cheque book ready because 7 figures a year beckons
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May come with baggage but comes with the ability to play well despite it
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Didn't effect Swan, doesn't effect him....
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Getting rid of Hardwick will enhance our prospects of retaining Dustin.
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Getting rid of Hardwick will enhance our prospects of retaining Dustin.
:clapping
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Not sure that's the case...
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Not sure that's the case...
Think you might be onto something ..