One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on January 29, 2017, 09:29:40 AM
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As I was filing through my mail this week waiting for my memberships to arrive (5 in total, rolling payments so no reason for any delay, rang and complained before Christmas - that worked as I'm still waiting!) I wondered to myself - what exactly do Richmond implement as a club that would be considered AFL elite?
Coaching, player development, recruitment, the VFL team, facilities, social media, governance, sponsorship, making money, community, marketing, membership (to what extent is that the market vs club capability?), venue deals, match day events
Is there anything truly elite - on or off field - where Richmond perform as a club?
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Stability.
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After much rational consideration there is one thing.
The only thing elite about the club is its members (and fans) loyalty.
In all honesty the club's PR department is good/daring insofar that it takes huge risks with its spin and shaping falsehoods into supposed truths, but ultimately that's to the detriment of the club and members.
That's it.
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Selecting coaches.
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Selecting coaches.
Hardwick? :huh
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After much rational consideration there is one thing.
The only thing elite about the club is its members (and fans) loyalty.
In all honesty the club's PR department is good/daring insofar that it takes huge risks with its spin and shaping falsehoods into supposed truths, but ultimately that's to the detriment of the club and members.
That's it.
See I'd say the loyalty of its members is a legacy of past administrations winning premierships and people's sense of obligation to sticking with one team.
It's not a reflection of any person on the payroll right now.
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While I expect people to disagree with me, whack me when I put on my clarity cap rather than my "whackety, whack, whack" cap I think there are a few areas where we can say the Club is elite
From my understanding of "corporate governance" our Club is elite in this area. Even the AFL have rated us excellent in this area and one of the best clubs in the comp. We were poor we are no in the top 3
Community programs and partnerships is another area where we are elite. Our Indigenous programs are considered some of the best in the country. The KGI has certain KPI's it must meet to continue to receive government funding and not only reaches those but exceeds them. Our partnership with the A&M Foundation again is considered one of the best in the AFL.
Our facilities since the re-development are elite. But the goal must be to continue to improve them and the only way to that is through generating more income.
I think despite that stupid Age article that suggested we were poor in sponsorship (amazing how you can twist something to create a story ;D) we are OK in that area, not elite but better than what was portrayed in that article. AFL figures state that for major partnership that is jumper and other on field (shorts, coaches, etc) we are not in the bottom 3rd far from it.
Up until ME Bank walked away we had one of the best ground naming rights deals in the comp. the problem is it still hasn't been replaced. While I understand the reasons behind it (eg not selling for the sake of it and wanting the best deal) it simply isn't a good look. Now we have Décor not renewing after just one 3 year term. Again, I understand why but 4 weeks out from our first televised pre-season game and we don't have a replacement isn't a great look.
As for the other categories
Membership and I only look at how they treat members and not the on field as they are 2 very different beasts - ask me say 3 years ago I would have said yes but in the last couple of season member "benefits" have gone backwards. They take our $$$ but give less and less back in return. Just the most basic of things for example eg the stickers we get they are putrid, they fade after a couple of months, they look cheap (granted they are but please), the members cap = cheap and nasty. That's what I mean by benefits. As for the coterie groups...well I can say for 2017 they appear to have got things back on track after taking away a number of things in 2016 but still charging more and then receiving a litany of complaints ;D
VFL Program - been one of its harshest of critics, said from the beginning they got it wrong. Finally last year they seemed to have made an effort to get it right but 2017 will show how far they've come with that and how far they still have to go. A long way of being elite IMHO
Money Making (revenue raising via non core business) - took a big step forward in the establishing the Leisure centre business but again far too early to say it's a massive success. But a step forward. Irony for me is that they could have had all of this step up years ago under the deal they had out at Craigieburn; which despite people's sooking about it (especially distance) was an outstanding one put together by Steve Wirght and the management team of the time. Who knows how different things would have been revenue wise if the club had continued to embrace it after Wright left. But no they didn't & Benny Gale wanted outta there as soon as the initial deal was over and then guess what he signed a deal with Beaconsfield (Cardinnia Shire) that is practically the same hmmm... what was that about distance again ::). But I digrese :whistle
Have said a number of times in the last 6-12 months there's been a massive disconnect between the Club and its members and supporters. Right that wrong and a lot of the areas (the off field) we are not elite will turn around very quickly
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Promoting feminism
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Political correctness?
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Willy, given the breadth of things the club struggles to deliver at an elite level, how can governance be considered elite?
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We corrall pretty good.
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We are elite at our players spruiking political correctness. Like our players "boycotting triple M". LMAO, Concentrate on winning football games fellas.
Personally I think we need more hardness and chopstick incidents
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More unsociable footy please... :shh
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Losing unloseable games
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Losing unloseable games
The winner! :clapping :cheers :bow
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Willy, given the breadth of things the club struggles to deliver at an elite level, how can governance be considered elite?
Corporate governance is about how you manage and out in place the correct processes to ensure you meet the legal requirements under the law.
Based on that and what they have in place to make sure they meet all those legal requirements they are elite.
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Willy, given the breadth of things the club struggles to deliver at an elite level, how can governance be considered elite?
Corporate governance is about how you manage and out in place the correct processes to ensure you meet the legal requirements under the law.
Based on that and what they have in place to make sure they meet all those legal requirements they are elite.
Hardly pat on the back stuff. Should that not be standard for any business?
Hardly see citizens following the law being celebrated for such things. Oh we aren't likely to be sued because we are following the law. Geez we are good.
Id even argue that theres a good chance that being too correctly processed in some can be to the detriment of the club and is counter productive to measured risk taking needed for success.
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Corporate governance:
Corporate governance is the system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled. Corporate governance essentially involves balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders, management, customers, suppliers, financiers, government and the community.
Rigged resignations to enable director appointments and avoid elections.
Failure to disclose board vacancies in a timely fashion ie before the AGM.
Non-disclosure of appointed directors.
Change of Election by-laws after the fact to outlaw challenger website.
No-adherence to those rules by an incumbent who was on the Governance Committee.
Public bias on candidate information/publicity.
Two different official voting forms for constitution change.
Missing votes on changes from COO's office.
So the "system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled" were altered and manipulated to prevent "balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders".
This is "elite"?
WP when you roll over and surrender, you certainly don't spare the supplication.
Hope the loss of integrity is worth the pats on the back in your coterie group.
I, however, have lost a lot of respect for your opinion.
It's been fun folks.
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Corporate governance:
Corporate governance is the system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled. Corporate governance essentially involves balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders, management, customers, suppliers, financiers, government and the community.
Rigged resignations to enable director appointments and avoid elections.
Failure to disclose board vacancies in a tiimely fashion ie before the AGM.
Non-disclosure of appointed directors.
Change of Election by-laws after the fact to outlaw challenger website.
No-adherence to those rules by an incumbent who was on the Governance Committee.
Public bias on candidate information/publicity.
Two different official voting forms for constitution change.
Missing votes on changes from COO's office.
So the "system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled" were altered and manipulated to prevent "balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders".
This is "elite"?
WP when you roll over and surrender, you certainly don't spare the supplication.
Hope the loss of integrity is worth the pats on the back in your coterie group.
I, however, have lost a lot of respect for your opinion.
It's been fun folks.
:clapping
Right.
It's almost acceptable that footballers are morons and paid ones at that, so therefore we can't judge them on a true political level. Their job is to perform on the field.
It's the idiot supporters who are to blame for the continued allowance of corrrupt governance of the club.
Right now, 56,000 have put their hands up in support, meaning they're stupid enough to pay for anything Richmond.
Politicians. They run their whole lives making empty promises, more often than not never delivering.
And you support them. :lol
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Corporate governance:
Corporate governance is the system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled. Corporate governance essentially involves balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders, management, customers, suppliers, financiers, government and the community.
Rigged resignations to enable director appointments and avoid elections.
Failure to disclose board vacancies in a timely fashion ie before the AGM.
Non-disclosure of appointed directors.
Change of Election by-laws after the fact to outlaw challenger website.
No-adherence to those rules by an incumbent who was on the Governance Committee.
Public bias on candidate information/publicity.
Two different official voting forms for constitution change.
Missing votes on changes from COO's office.
So the "system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled" were altered and manipulated to prevent "balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders".
This is "elite"?
WP when you roll over and surrender, you certainly don't spare the supplication.
Hope the loss of integrity is worth the pats on the back in your coterie group.
I, however, have lost a lot of respect for your opinion.
It's been fun folks.
I take offence to your roll over and surrender comment. Haven't done that, to suggest I have is wrong.
I was basing my opinion solely on the my understanding of the basics of corporate governance.
The basics I have to adhere to every day in my working life. The ones that say how a company must adhere to accounting standards. How they must adhere to the basic rules of corporation law. When you compare those to where the club was say a decade ago when they had no such plan in place they have improved our of sight. That the management have clear process to follow then it is a good thing
That was the only thing I was basing that comment on. The process for ensuring the day to day running of the company meets the required standards of corp law and they are solid
As for the other shenanigans you've mentioned. My view is that is a manipulation of the constitution by directors scared of losing power. While morally and ethically bankrupt, not against the "law". Sad but true. There is IMV a distinct and clear difference. You chose to not look at each scenario separately then that's your call
As for you loss of respect of my opinion, again our choice.
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ME Bank. Wow how impressive were they.
is advertising still up? A few weeks ago when i drove past it was.
:thumbsup benny fail.
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ME Bank. Wow how impressive were they.
is advertising still up? A few weeks ago when i drove past it was.
:thumbsup benny fail.
Yeh but it looks professional. :snidegrin
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I take offence to your roll over and surrender comment. Haven't done that, to suggest I have is wrong.
I was basing my opinion solely on the my understanding of the basics of corporate governance.
The basics I have to adhere to every day in my working life. The ones that say how a company must adhere to accounting standards. How they must adhere to the basic rules of corporation law. When you compare those to where the club was say a decade ago when they had no such plan in place they have improved our of sight. That the management have clear process to follow then it is a good thing
That was the only thing I was basing that comment on. The process for ensuring the day to day running of the company meets the required standards of corp law and they are solid
As for the other shenanigans you've mentioned. My view is that is a manipulation of the constitution by directors scared of losing power. While morally and ethically bankrupt, not against the "law". Sad but true. There is IMV a distinct and clear difference. You chose to not look at each scenario separately then that's your call
As for you loss of respect of my opinion, again our choice.
I quoted a definition of Corporate Governance in my previous post.
This goes beyond legal requirements into ethics and morality.
The "basics" of corporate governance that you talk about are indeed the LEGAL requirements.
But GOOD corporate governance goes beyond that into something more.
You say that a "company must adhere to accounting standards". I would dispute the word "must". In my reading of the business pages I have seen many recent cases where companies have been accused of NOT adhering to standards. IIRC one I mentioned on here referred to the dairy industry, to which you responded.
You seemed critical of Casey asking about the financial figures at the AGM. This does not accord with your professed devotion to how a "company must adhere to accounting standards".
Even you have been critical of the level of disclosure in the financial reports.
You talk about a plan. Fine, but the hard part is that the plan needs to be fulfilled.
The main part of the club's success since 2004 is that membership has doubled.
From what I have seen the board has improved in the way they do not (usually) spend money they do not have.
An improvement on pre 2004, but hardly "elite".
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Corporate governance:
Corporate governance is the system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled. Corporate governance essentially involves balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders, management, customers, suppliers, financiers, government and the community.
Rigged resignations to enable director appointments and avoid elections.
Failure to disclose board vacancies in a timely fashion ie before the AGM.
Non-disclosure of appointed directors.
Change of Election by-laws after the fact to outlaw challenger website.
No-adherence to those rules by an incumbent who was on the Governance Committee.
Public bias on candidate information/publicity.
Two different official voting forms for constitution change.
Missing votes on changes from COO's office.
So the "system of rules, practices and processes by which a company is directed and controlled" were altered and manipulated to prevent "balancing the interests of a company's many stakeholders, such as shareholders".
This is "elite"?
WP when you roll over and surrender, you certainly don't spare the supplication.
Hope the loss of integrity is worth the pats on the back in your coterie group.
I, however, have lost a lot of respect for your opinion.
It's been fun folks.
I take offence to your roll over and surrender comment. Haven't done that, to suggest I have is wrong.
I was basing my opinion solely on the my understanding of the basics of corporate governance.
The basics I have to adhere to every day in my working life. The ones that say how a company must adhere to accounting standards. How they must adhere to the basic rules of corporation law. When you compare those to where the club was say a decade ago when they had no such plan in place they have improved our of sight. That the management have clear process to follow then it is a good thing
That was the only thing I was basing that comment on. The process for ensuring the day to day running of the company meets the required standards of corp law and they are solid
As for the other shenanigans you've mentioned. My view is that is a manipulation of the constitution by directors scared of losing power. While morally and ethically bankrupt, not against the "law". Sad but true. There is IMV a distinct and clear difference. You chose to not look at each scenario separately then that's your call
As for you loss of respect of my opinion, again our choice.
To complete basic governance standards isn't elite. It's standard.
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I take offence to your roll over and surrender comment. Haven't done that, to suggest I have is wrong.
I was basing my opinion solely on the my understanding of the basics of corporate governance.
The basics I have to adhere to every day in my working life. The ones that say how a company must adhere to accounting standards. How they must adhere to the basic rules of corporation law. When you compare those to where the club was say a decade ago when they had no such plan in place they have improved our of sight. That the management have clear process to follow then it is a good thing
That was the only thing I was basing that comment on. The process for ensuring the day to day running of the company meets the required standards of corp law and they are solid
As for the other shenanigans you've mentioned. My view is that is a manipulation of the constitution by directors scared of losing power. While morally and ethically bankrupt, not against the "law". Sad but true. There is IMV a distinct and clear difference. You chose to not look at each scenario separately then that's your call
As for you loss of respect of my opinion, again our choice.
I quoted a definition of Corporate Governance in my previous post.
This goes beyond legal requirements into ethics and morality.
The "basics" of corporate governance that you talk about are indeed the LEGAL requirements.
But GOOD corporate governance goes beyond that into something more.
You say that a "company must adhere to accounting standards". I would dispute the word "must". In my reading of the business pages I have seen many recent cases where companies have been accused of NOT adhering to standards. IIRC one I mentioned on here referred to the dairy industry, to which you responded.
You seemed critical of Casey asking about the financial figures at the AGM. This does not accord with your professed devotion to how a "company must adhere to accounting standards".
Even you have been critical of the level of disclosure in the financial reports.
You talk about a plan. Fine, but the hard part is that the plan needs to be fulfilled.
The main part of the club's success since 2004 is that membership has doubled.
From what I have seen the board has improved in the way they do not (usually) spend money they do not have.
An improvement on pre 2004, but hardly "elite".
Execution eats strategy for breakfast.
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We are elite at having an elite spine (Rance, Riewoldt for bookends and Martin/Cotch and what used to be Deledio) and absolute potatoes around them.
Also elite at playing people out of position.
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We have half an elite spine.
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We are elite at being spineless. :shh
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We are elite at having an elite spine (Rance, Riewoldt for bookends and Martin/Cotch and what used to be Deledio) and absolute potatoes around them.
Also elite at playing people out of position.
To what extent is that spine the result of what we have developed or what the individual has decided to make of himself - irrespective of his environment?
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They're elite at believing they're elite.
Agree with Redan's "brief".
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Hardly see citizens following the law being celebrated for such things. Oh we aren't likely to be sued because we are following the law. Geez we are good.
Quite the contrary sometimes :banghead :banghead
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Hmm after serious thought sucking in deluded supporters who lap up any sort of spin.
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We are elite at having an elite spine (Rance, Riewoldt for bookends and Martin/Cotch and what used to be Deledio) and absolute potatoes around them.
Also elite at playing people out of position.
To what extent is that spine the result of what we have developed or what the individual has decided to make of himself - irrespective of his environment?
good point. the spine is made of #1 draft picks so you could've put your house on the fact they would turn good. I suppose the only aspect which RFC can 'kinda' take credit for and I use kinda loosely is that they persevered with Rance and he has paid us back x10000000
But still that is largely because Rance wanted to be a jet that can take on the comps best forwards.
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(https://s28.postimg.org/8sm0fcv7h/IMG_3229.jpg)
No one does this better. :rollin
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(https://s28.postimg.org/8sm0fcv7h/IMG_3229.jpg)
No one does this better. :rollin
Grigg practising waiting for a soft handball
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Looks like a match simulation for Grigg, standing around watching while his teammates do all the hard work...