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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 12, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
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Now that the pre season is over, what are your thoughts?
We played better than I expected - more system, intent and our tackling has certainly gone up a notch.
I see Prestia and the Nank as 2 huge pluses - their attack on the footy will really help. Caddy has been a bit meh for me, I can't see him being any better a recruit than either Houli or Grigg over a number of years but happy to be proven wrong.
On the downside, we went to water so quickly against the Pies which bothers me. Hurried kicks to a loose opposition defender won't stop momentum to the other team.
Team selection is another issue - Hunt, Houli, Ellis and co don't seem the first choice when we have KMac, Markov etc as younger capable options that have improvement to come. I felt a similar thing happened last year when the season was on the line mature, inferior talent was prioritised and we went young when the year was done and dusted. We're not doing this again?
Finally, my big bugbear is movement inside 50. Each year it's the same and it provides easy rebound 50's for the opposition from which they can score. Can't beat Bulldogs, Saints, Cats, Roos etc with this type of ball movement.
So I'm thinking somewhere between last year and the previous 3 years is our mark at this point.
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Yesterday showed that despite the new game plan and centre clearance wins, the mentally challenged Richmond of last year (at its worst) is a very real proposition for 2017. No leadership no tackling no hard work and poor kicking. A cancerous combination which bleeds goals to the opposition.
It doesn't help when our fab 4 of Howli, Conkout, sHunt and Brangenerous de Ellen spray the ball to the opposition/OOTF if they have to kick over 30m.
How much we see of last years Richmond and when we first see it is the question. It could very well be there from round 1 and remain for a large part of the year, or it may come later and patches and/or whole games. But it will come. I suspect earlier rather than later and gee whiz I would be putting money on Carlton at $2.50.
Knowing that, I can't see us being a genuine top 8 or even thereabouts. Around 13th-16th for mine with 6-8 wins (9 at a push).
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If you are judging us on our preseason, why are you putting your money on Carlton?
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If you are judging us on our preseason, why are you putting your money on Carlton?
If i was to judge us on our full preseason i would have us beating Carlton. I haven't missed a minute of each game albiet from the big screen. Just a bit of intuition after seeing old signs which havent been ironed out, addressed or implemented from last year.
If im wrong ill be the first to put my hand up :gotigers
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Yesterday showed that despite the new game plan and centre clearance wins, the mentally challenged Richmond of last year (at its worst) is a very real proposition for 2017. No leadership no tackling no hard work and poor kicking. A cancerous combination which bleeds goals to the opposition.
It doesn't help when our fab 4 of Howli, Conkout, sHunt and Brangenerous de Ellen spray the ball to the opposition/OOTF if they have to kick over 30m.
How much we see of last years Richmond and when we first see it is the question. It could very well be there from round 1 and remain for a large part of the year, or it may come later and patches and/or whole games. But it will come. I suspect earlier rather than later and gee whiz I would be putting money on Carlton at $2.50.
Knowing that, I can't see us being a genuine top 8 or even thereabouts. Around 13th-16th for mine with 6-8 wins (9 at a push).
Sometimes it only takes one person or single a act to infect the group both positive and negative. The negative for me yesterday was Houli's first touch of the ball. He went sideways/backwards which was not the style of the previous games played. His first instinct was this which is why he should not be played. His second touch was a hand pass again backwards that just missed Rance and puts the whole team under pressure. Fast attaching ball movement is required and again, Houli in my eyes is VFL level now. Playing someone like Markov in his position and you can see the difference in the players and given time, will improve his defensive work to be an attacking weapon. Menadue for Hunt is also a must.....and play Short!
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Just got this feeling we will struggle.
This is how I categorise the league for 2017:
In the mix for finals:
GWS, syd, hawks, geelong, adel, wce, WB, saints, melb
Need everything to go perfectly right to have a shot at playing finals, but realistically not good enough:
richmond, port, pies, freo, dons, GC, norf
bottom 2:
Carl & Bris
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
:clapping
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Will be better than 2016
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Nank and Prestia will both be good additions. Prestia might take 4-6 weeks to get the pace though.
Caddy I'm not sure about. Forgotten till yesterday how painfully slow he was. Kind of like a taller/ better overhead version of Miles. Best 22 but won't ever be more than a c+/b- player imo.
Griffiths won't make it. Big problems with our 2nd key forward. I'd play Chol in that at least he could end up being AFL level.
Vlastuin and C Ellis disappointing. Didn't we draft C Ellis as an inside mid? Doesn't know how to find the ball on the outside.
Kmac and Markov have both been a bit disappointing but I still think have to play ahead of Houli and Hunt.
Prefer Castagna to Butler and would play him and Rioli (looks great) as the small forwards (with Titch a bit higher up).
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
Anyone with or on the cusp of a gambling problem, do not follow this advice (especially for Richmond)
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We will finish between 11th-18th.
Wins 6-9.
Midfield don't run hard forward.
Half Back line is full of "unconfident players" such as B Ellis, Houli, Hunt, Conca.
No second Key Forward. If Riewoldt goes down (touch wood NO) ... we will struggle.
We LEAK too many goals and don't understand WHEN to ZONE or go MAN-ON-MAN.
Want us to play the CUBS such as; C Ellis, Markov, Bulter, Bolton, Rioli etc.
Houli, Grigg, Hunt, Conca, B Ellis, Griffiths not going to influence WINS for us.
:gotigers
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
I'm not sure why we would flirt with form, last year we tried to call the game off and never recovered. Even at our worst, lost the first qtr by 40 points to a middle road side was a concern.
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
Anyone with or on the cusp of a gambling problem, do not follow this advice (especially for Richmond)
The $2.60 on offer 24 hours before the Port game last week was delicious 😋
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You missed the 2.80?
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The pre season overall wasn't to bad. the game yesterday was our biggest blemish but the personnel in the game yesterday were different to the first two games, i believe if the club reverses these changes for round one then we will play much better.
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You missed the 2.80?
Bugger
Happy with the 2.60👍👍
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Thought yesterday we did not show our hand
There wasn't the fanatic charge to squeeze up as was seen in past 2 games and intra club and training drills
I have no doubt you will see s different team Thursday week
My motto , the more you put on
The more you will win
Top 6 for me this year
Anyone with or on the cusp of a gambling problem, do not follow this advice (especially for Richmond)
The $2.60 on offer 24 hours before the Port game last week was delicious 😋
You mean delicious without Houli playing with those odds?
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six day break might of got em off to a slow start against the scum, they fought back well in the end. Hoping they keep the upward trend, guessing what our team will do is like playing the pokies, no idea wtf is gonna come up.
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The negative for me yesterday was Houli's first touch of the ball. He went sideways/backwards which was not the style of the previous games played. His first instinct was this which is why he should not be played.
:bow This x10000
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I ask myself the same question every year......,
Are we still a team of eggs smothered by the biggest chicken in the league?
......bottom four until we get someone who can actually coach.
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The pattern of play looks a little too familiar. Club needs a reboot - on and off field.
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Your team's ticks and crosses for the pre-season
AFL.com.au
March 13, 2017
RICHMOND
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The Tigers did well to bring Dion Prestia home from the Gold Coast and his hardness and creativity will add much to Richmond's midfield in 2017. Josh Caddy will be a good addition while former Sydney big man Toby Nankervis is now the No.1 ruckman at Tigerland. It was a good summer for the list management team at Tigerland. Having Neil Balme back as head of football was another win.
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Dustin Martin's playing future will be hanging over the Tigers all summer but it would appear the Tigers have yet to adopt a clear strategy in how to manage this from a media strategy. The Tigers need to borrow from the Hawthorn 2013 and Adelaide 2015 handbooks to make sure it doesn't become too big a distraction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-13/after-the-siren-your-teams-ticks-and-crosses-for-the-offseason
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We finished 4th on a JLT preseason 'ladder' (equal top on %).
We had the 4th best attack and the 6th best defence = 4th best %.
St Kilda 8 253 163 155.2
GWS 8 237 178 133.1
West Coast 8 239 192 124.4
Richmond 8 278 238 116.8
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The Blues ended up in last spot ;D.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-13/the-jlt-ladder-who-comes-out-on-top
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Never read too much into the preseason. Preseason means very little. Glad received no major injuries.
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Pleased to see a clear change in game style
But we yet again showed (last Saturday) that when we are no switched on we go back to very bad habits
Glad to see some pace injected into the side via youth (Butler / Castagna)
Need to stick with that..
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Would like to see the mix of at least 2, Houli, Grigg and Ellis gone. We could then elevate 4 players Castagna, Bolton, Stengle and Chol, may be difficult and they may not be ready but the speed would be fantastic and more of new, less of same.
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I think, for what it's worth, we are one injury away from disaster to either Reiwoldt, Dusty or Rance and they are one year older with one year more wear and tear. If none go down we might make top 8. If one or two go down we could be bottom 4 depending how early it happened. We are still reliant on too few players IMHO.
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I think, for what it's worth, we are one injury away from disaster to either Reiwoldt, Dusty or Rance and they are one year older with one year more wear and tear. If none go down we might make top 8. If one or two go down we could be bottom 4 depending how early it happened. We are still reliant on too few players IMHO.
I would add Nank into that group as well
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I think, for what it's worth, we are one injury away from disaster to either Reiwoldt, Dusty or Rance and they are one year older with one year more wear and tear. If none go down we might make top 8. If one or two go down we could be bottom 4 depending how early it happened. We are still reliant on too few players IMHO.
I would add Nank into that group as well
If Batch goes down again our back six are screwed. Case in point - how many games did we win last year without him? Stuff all.
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I think, for what it's worth, we are one injury away from disaster to either Reiwoldt, Dusty or Rance and they are one year older with one year more wear and tear. If none go down we might make top 8. If one or two go down we could be bottom 4 depending how early it happened. We are still reliant on too few players IMHO.
I would add Nank into that group as well
Won't impact on training standards tho
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Was talking to a guy I know (who is quite often right with these sorts of things) and he assured me not to take too much out of that Collingwood game so I'm going to trust his word.
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In what context? The slow start or the fast finish?
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More so the fast finish. They aren't happy with the way the first quarter blew out but playing in 3rd gear and going harder in the last was always part of the plan.