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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 31, 2017, 12:19:00 PM
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Looks like one forced change at least.
Tall forward Ben Griffiths is in "some doubt" for next week's clash against West Coast at the MCG after suffering concussion, but the Tigers will have a nine-day break.
Source: RFC website (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-03-30/hardwick-post-game-round-2)
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Upgrade Soldo (preferred option) and bring him in for Griff or give Elton a go. Consider dropping George for Lloyd......that's it for mine. Lambert, Shorty and Lennon all deserve to retain their spots and, 'credit where it is due', Houli does as well.
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Considering he was an emergency this week, Halfstep will most likely bring in Maric if Griffiths is still unfit.....then Elton's probably next in line given the others are still on the rookie list and our general reluctance to elevate more than one rookie in the first half of the season in recent years...
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Hope he goes the Elton route rather than Maric. Need a forward more than a ruck and, not that I have high hopes at this stage, at least you could argue Elton may have improvement left in him
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Tough backline needed for WCE.
Rance will go to Kennedy, leaving Astbury for their second tall maybe on Darling LOL.
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Needs a special type of player to make Darling look good and Astbury is the man for that job.
All the time while Rance tries to hold down a gun KPF and covering about two other blokes men
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Tough backline needed for WCE.
Rance will go to Kennedy, leaving Astbury for their second tall maybe on Darling LOL.
Darling isn't that good.
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Tough backline needed for WCE.
Rance will go to Kennedy, leaving Astbury for their second tall maybe on Darling LOL.
Darling isn't that good.
Every chance they'll chop and change Rance and Astbury during the night. Rance should cover Kennedy when he moves up the ground but if they're both playing deep he should go to Darling. Astbury might be able to handle Kennedy in a tussle but would be killed by Darling.
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Um, wat?
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Lambert out Miles in
Griffith out, Chol in
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What's up with Grimes? Had very few possies last week. Is he injured? Could he cover Darling instead.
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What's up with Grimes? Had very few possies last week. Is he injured? Could he cover Darling instead.
Not injured just playing the lock down defender and yes he could take Darling.
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What's up with Grimes? Had very few possies last week. Is he injured? Could he cover Darling instead.
Not injured just playing the lock down defender and yes he could take Darling.
Yeh I heard that with Batch not a 100% fit they have needed someone to play that role until Batch recovers
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Im just gunna take personal pot shots at other peoples changes, then pretend i agree after they are proven right.
Brutal but good to see.
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:lol
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Im just gunna take personal pot shots at other peoples changes, then pretend i agree after they are proven right.
Brutal but good to see.
Welcome aboard
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Lambert out Miles in
Griffith out, Chol in
Unfortunately Chol may not play this week because suffered concussion. Agree with dropping Lambert and bringing in Miles
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Nasty black eye won’t stop Dusty
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
The Tigers believe Dustin Martin will be fine to take on West Coast next Saturday despite assessing him for a cheekbone injury.
He played out Thursday night’s game and showed no signs of discomfort despite a shiner under his right-eye and large swelling on his cheek.
But with Griffiths suffering the effects of his latest concussion, he is already close to being ruled out for the Eagles clash.
Ivan Maric was excellent in Thursday afternoon’s VFL practice match win over Collingwood and his cousin Ivan Soldo was equally impressive.
The 20-year-old project ruckman, yet to play an AFL game, kicked four goals in the victory as tall Mabior Chol was concussed and taken off on a stretcher.
Dustin Martin was sporting a black eye after the clash with Collingwood. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
First-choice ruckman Toby Nankervis broke even in an excellent battle with Magpie Brodie Grundy, but the Tigers will need another tall attacking target who can pinch-hit in the ruck.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-expected-to-play-west-coast-despite-being-assessed-for-cheekbone-injury/news-story/9d30ef4d2d14fbc67355018d9f279ef8
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Im just gunna take personal pot shots at other peoples changes, then pretend i agree after they are proven right.
Brutal but good to see.
Welcome aboard
Rubbish comment. Please delete your signature
no way ya sword namer
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In: Maybe a designated tagger to take out Mitchell's influence?
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In: Maybe a designated tagger to take out Mitchell's influence?
Not needed with Miles in. Caddy now helps with tagging.
Otherwise you're opening the plan for Hunt to come back as Dimwit's preferred tagger.
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Reckon Conca could be a decent tagger. Might help keep him away from the ball too....
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Outs- Houli, Conca and Griffiths
Ins- Markov, McIntosh and C. Ellis
Markov to take Houli's HBF. Markov is quicker, harder and just as a good kick as Houli.
McIntosh to play CHB and pinch hit in the ruck in our backline, and Astbury to play CHF and pinch hit in the ruck while Nank rests. If we are smart with how we use Nank there is no reason we need a second ruckman.
C. Ellis to take Conca's spot and rotate through HF, HB and in the midfield. Conca's disposal and lack of composure with footy in hand outweighs what good stuff he brings.
IMO Astbury will compete better with the high ball into our forwardline than Griff. He may not take mark of the year but at least he will get his hands out and at least make a contest, giving our smaller guys sonething consistent to work with.
I would also play Lennon as a second FF at times. Start him deep, give him some room and let him lead at the footy. He isn't a HFF IMO. He just isn't quick or agile enough.
We know with our midfield we will get enough supply into our forwardline to be able to win the game as long as we are smarter than we were against Collingwood with our entries.
Our strengths are are small men in George, Butler and Rioli and there pressure, let's give them opportunity to win us the game against West Coast.
Also Rance to play on Kennedy and Grimes to play on Darling. Set them both for those match ups early in the week. Stop those 2 and we go along way in beating them.
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Grimes should take Le Cras, Asbury for Darling. Would work well but Dimma will put Astbury on Kennedy to allow Rance to float which will be a problem
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Outs- Houli, Conca and Griffiths
Ins- Markov, McIntosh and C. Ellis
Markov to take Houli's HBF. Markov is quicker, harder and just as a good kick as Houli.
McIntosh to play CHB and pinch hit in the ruck in our backline, and Astbury to play CHF and pinch hit in the ruck while Nank rests. If we are smart with how we use Nank there is no reason we need a second ruckman.
C. Ellis to take Conca's spot and rotate through HF, HB and in the midfield. Conca's disposal and lack of composure with footy in hand outweighs what good stuff he brings.
IMO Astbury will compete better with the high ball into our forwardline than Griff. He may not take mark of the year but at least he will get his hands out and at least make a contest, giving our smaller guys sonething consistent to work with.
I would also play Lennon as a second FF at times. Start him deep, give him some room and let him lead at the footy. He isn't a HFF IMO. He just isn't quick or agile enough.
We know with our midfield we will get enough supply into our forwardline to be able to win the game as long as we are smarter than we were against Collingwood with our entries.
Our strengths are are small men in George, Butler and Rioli and there pressure, let's give them opportunity to win us the game against West Coast.
Also Rance to play on Kennedy and Grimes to play on Darling. Set them both for those match ups early in the week. Stop those 2 and we go along way in beating them.
Have to disagree massively BT. Conca had a v good game Thursday, as he did v Carlton. Shaping up as his best ever. Houli was also okay, even though I'd rather see someone else take his spot.
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Soldo in for Griff the only change i'd make.
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Griffiths and Edwards both ruled out for this week, Edwards for at least a couple after that.
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Out Griffiths Edwards
In Maric McIntosh
Play Nank forward.
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Medical update says griff a no go as well as edwards. Martin should play. Apparently Chol should be right too.
So miles or c Ellis for Edwards
Chol for griff
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The Barometer: Round 3
Herald-Sun
3 April 2017
ON THE BLOCK: The most significant concern from the Tigers’ 19-point over Collingwood centres around superstar Dustin Martin. The midfielder suffered a fractured cheekbone early int he win over Collingwood but played out the match. Meanwhile, big man Ben Griffiths landed heavily after a marking contest and appeared pale and distressed. Club officials will monitor him for possible concussion.
ON THE CUSP: Steve Morris is available but, with the Tigers chasing a perfect 3-0 start to the season, the tough utility faces an uphill battle to win selection. Anthony Miles is certain to vie for promotion after a solid VFL hitout.
LEO SCHLINK’S FORECAST: Richmond returns on Saturday to the MCG to face unbeaten West Coast. After decent wins over Carlton and Carlton, this is a step up for the pacy Tigers but, based on form, another win is not beyond them.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-injury-list-whos-hot-whos-hurt-at-your-club-after-round-2/news-story/3c4100edafa5e2a6cd33371f2eea6599
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With the injuries to Edwards an Griff and the unavailability of Bolton I'm tipping Miles and Maric will come in. I would have liked Soldo and Bolton/Cellis though.
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In the Mix - Round 3
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
4 April 2017
RICHMOND
It's a three-way race to replace Ben Griffiths (concussion), with Mabior Chol, Ivan Soldo and Todd Elton competing for the tall forward spot. The trio were lined up for goalkicking and marking drills on Tuesday as they battle for selection. Chol suffered a head knock last Thursday but he completed a full session on Tuesday and is the front-runner after the more impressive pre-season. Soldo has reasonable recent form and will be strongly considered, with Elton the wildcard after four games in five seasons.
There will be at least one other change, to replace Shane Edwards (hip), with Kamdyn McIntosh a strong chance to earn an immediate recall after an impressive VFL hit-out. Anthony Miles is also pushing hard, but McIntosh's run gives him an advantage at selection this week. Miles is next in line on the slim chance Dustin Martin doesn't play with a fractured cheekbone.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/in-the-mix-who-is-pushing-for-selection-in-round-three
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Young tall Mabior Chol, who suffered a head knock in a VFL practice match last Thursday, completed the full session with the main group.
The exciting 20-year-old is a contender to replace injured forward Ben Griffiths against West Coast and faces a fitness test later this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/martin-may-wear-helmet-to-protect-cheekbone
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would like to see 4 changes would like to see more but that would be unrealistic just as 4 probably is.
Chol stuff for Griffiths. Elton kpf for Lennon, Miles for Edwards McIntosh for Lambert.A line up something like this
B: Grimes - Astbury - Short
HB: Vlastuin - Rance - McIntosh
C: Rioli - Martin - Grigg
R: Nankervis - Cotchin - Prestia
HF: Butler - Elton - Castagna
F: Caddy - Riewoldt - Chol
INT: Miles - Houli - Ellis - Conca.
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I am not particularly a fan but I think it is harsh to drop Lennon, claw.
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would like to see 4 changes would like to see more but that would be unrealistic just as 4 probably is.
Chol stuff for Griffiths. Elton kpf for Lennon, Miles for Edwards McIntosh for Lambert.A line up something like this
B: Grimes - Astbury - Short
HB: Vlastuin - Rance - McIntosh
C: Rioli - Martin - Grigg
R: Nankervis - Cotchin - Prestia
HF: Butler - Elton - Castagna
F: Caddy - Riewoldt - Chol
INT: Miles - Houli - Ellis - Conca.
Agree with the changes except Elton for Lennon. What do you base that on? Lennon played one of his better games for the club so I think he deserves another gig (would still need to improve) and Elton has done squat. Did kick a few in a praccy game couple weeks ago but that's just about it
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I think a smaller forward line would worry the Eagles so would make these changes:
Out Griffiths Edwards
In Miles, Lloyd
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Id love Chol to be ready. BUT based on him huffing and puffing in the preseason game vs Collingwood i suspect they wont name him.
Forward pressure is everything. Even our Jack is highly rated for tackles in F50.
Could be wrong but well see
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Lennon out for Elton ha ha ha stuff me...
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lennon is NO chance of being dropped (this week) i think chol is almost guaranteed to be included this week
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People dont like to hear it but bUTLER cASTAGNA rIOLI AND Lennon just did not get enough ball..
Personally im always advocating we go with three tall fwds if they were all up to speed and all showed they could play well at the level, my preference has been to see riewoldt and chol, moore being given games.
Lennon is not quick and while it has improved his defensive work is still not great and he is not a threat in the air.9 disposal game which has been the norm when he plays is not good enough you could probably live with it if he supplied the manic pressure the other three do but he doesnt. Simply put im advoacting a structural changee a tall for a medium. that is because hes the only option atm elton for Lennon. you still have the three very quick smalls but add imo needed marking power.
If we want to go taller in the fwd line who do people suggest should be dropped.
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I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
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I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
Agree, no use having a whinge at small players not getting enough ball when the tall players will get even less ball and for the double whammy not lay enough (any) pressure on
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Chol trained on Thursday and is available for selection.
Source: AFL website (http://afl.com.au)
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Chol trained on Thursday and is available for selection.
Source: AFL website (http://afl.com.au)
Watched him train
Spent a lot of time in ruck drills etc
Mmmmmm
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I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
Agree, no use having a whinge at small players not getting enough ball when the tall players will get even less ball and for the double whammy not lay enough (any) pressure on
Agree 100%. Doesn't matter how tall you are, if you can't mark the ball then you're not a threat in the air
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Lennon's more of a threat in the air than most of our current talls. Hell, even B.Ellis is.....
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:clapping
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Elton ?
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The RFC website is saying the club "has not elevated a rookie at this time".
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Elton ?
Do you think he has done enough? I haven't see and vfl games to know the answer so I will go on your say so.
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The RFC website is saying the club "has not elevated a rookie at this time".
No Chol then?
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Elton ?
I hope Elton gets the call up.
I think if given the chance he could be ok at the level, especially with the ball pinging around. He is a pretty good athlete and is pretty agile for his size which is what today's footy is about.
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The RFC website is saying the club "has not elevated a rookie at this time".
No Chol then?
That's what I read into it, Dougey. No Soldo either although he's a ruckman.
That leaves Elton as pretty much the only CHF replacement on our list.
Anyway, we'll soon find out.
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I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
And Lennon helps us in what way in this regard.I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
Agree, no use having a whinge at small players not getting enough ball when the tall players will get even less ball and for the double whammy not lay enough (any) pressure on
Not having a whinge at all just stating a fact. Cmon everyone on this site is talking about the need to find some tall options so why not play some of them.
Personally i dont think we went far enough both Chol and Elton should have been selected.The thinking is to give em enough games so we can make a call especially on Elton who has been there long enough.
I know hes much maligned but personally i want a bigger sample size of 4 lousy games before i write somebody off.I am happy to see him get a game, if he fails so be it. Like big tone says i think the bloke has some great attributes for the game and i dont think he can contribute much less than Griffiths or Lennon at the level atm
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I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
And Lennon helps us in what way in this regard.I would agree if we had decent talls, but we don't. I think the club has finally realised that and gone a different option. Play small, bring the ball to ground, tackle and create pressure/turnovers.
Agree, no use having a whinge at small players not getting enough ball when the tall players will get even less ball and for the double whammy not lay enough (any) pressure on
Not having a whinge at all just stating a fact. Cmon everyone on this site is talking about the need to find some tall options so why not play some of them.
Personally i dont think we went far enough both Chol and Elton should have been selected.The thinking is to give em enough games so we can make a call especially on Elton who has been there long enough.
I know hes much maligned but personally i want a bigger sample size of 4 lousy games before i write somebody off.I am happy to see him get a game, if he fails so be it. Like big tone says i think the bloke has some great attributes for the game and i dont think he can contribute much less than Griffiths or Lennon at the level atm
Yeh possibly, I've sort of already wrote off most of our talls and just want us to start recruiting some decent talls for once, ones that play with a bit of mongrel would be good instead of ones like Griffiths, Miller, clean knees Hughes et al