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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 25, 2017, 08:11:55 PM
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Fire away ....
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Houli - suspended. Markov in.
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Outs- Lloyd, Butler, Houli
Ins- Vlastuin, Stengle, Markov
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
just figuring that out now are you? One of the most avergage players to ever play 200 games IMO
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
just figuring that out now are you? One of the most avergage players to ever play 200 games IMO
No. Have not supported him for a while. Just had to come out and state the obvious though. :whistle
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Agree 100% Y&BB.
Titch looks irrelevant atm
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OUTS: Houli, Butler
INS: Vlastuin, Mrakov
Lloyd survives for all the reasons mentioned by YBB, agree with the that he was OK today
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
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Ins could be Vlas, if he pulled up OK, for Houli. I would have dropped Butler but the last Q may have saved him. Titch was pathetic and may need a bit of time in the 2s. Markov to play in SA. Menedue did a few good things and should stay.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
What did you think of that attempt at mark of the year when he gave away the free kick?
And he does it every week.
What about you YBB?
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Outs- Lloyd, Butler, Houli
Ins- Vlastuin, Stengle, Markov
OUTS: Houli, Butler
INS: Vlastuin, Mrakov
Lloyd survives for all the reasons mentioned by YBB, agree with the that he was OK today
At the risk of abuse from Big Tone ::), why Butler over any of the others? Also thought Vlas was average today WP, did you see the game?
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
What did you think of that attempt at mark of the year when he gave away the free kick?
And he does it every week.
What about you YBB?
Giving away free kicks like that is poor. When he has done little else it makes it worse. Today though he was very good in general link up play. Credit where credits due. Saw the replay as well as seeing it live. He played a decent game. If you doubt don't drop him for his poor ones, how can you drop him after a decent one?
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Vlastuin looked short a gallop in the VFL today but will likely come straight in for Houli and that will likeky be the only change lest Rioli's finger is broken then Stengle will probably come in a well....if it were up to me though it would be:
Out: Houli, Butler, Lloyd, Rioli if injured
In: Lennon. Stengle, Miles, Garthwaite (if Rioli injured.)
Chol is still far too lazy to play AFL.....makes Vickery look like Robert Harvey.... :shh
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Chol has put on 11kg since being recruited. He is finding it hard to run with that extra weight. Another preseason to get his fitness up and let him grow into his body and I think you'll find he'll be much more competitive.... :shh
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11 kg's isn't going to cause a bloke of his height to come to a complete standstill in the first half....just looks like a bludger to me....
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11 kg's isn't going to cause a bloke of his height to come to a complete standstill in the first half....just looks like a bludger to me....
Don't know about the latter but if you try to run around with an extra 11 kg on it's pretty tough. I think he is still a ? on whether he'll make it. Has huge upside though so if he does make it, it will be big.
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To put 11kgs on would suggest he's doing a lot of work in the gym on top of all the cardio he already does so I highly doubt he feels like he's just had 11kgs of weight attached to him. He's done the work, he's increased his strength and fitness so the 11kg should not affect him much, if at all
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depends how quickly he's put it on, has it been a gradual thing or did it happen over 1 preseason?
Regardless I'm leaning towards he's a lazy prick and picks and chooses when he gives full effort and when he doesn't. At his worst I've seen him with hands on hips 2-3 metres off the contest WALKING and other times I've seen him do repeat sprints thinking wowee BT oraaaaazzzio excited.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
What did you think of that attempt at mark of the year when he gave away the free kick?
And he does it every week.
What about you YBB?
Giving away free kicks like that is poor. When he has done little else it makes it worse. Today though he was very good in general link up play. Credit where credits due. Saw the replay as well as seeing it live. He played a decent game. If you doubt don't drop him for his poor ones, how can you drop him after a decent one?
I don't think he was decent hence why I said I would drop him. I saw it live and just watched the first half again and that didn't change my mind.
He needs to stop trying to be the hero and start playing team footy. Dimma has shown faith in him over the last 4 or 5 weeks without much in return but he continues to play selfish "look at me footy".
He was good last year but this year he has been extremely poor imo.
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Outs- Lloyd, Butler, Houli
Ins- Vlastuin, Stengle, Markov
OUTS: Houli, Butler
INS: Vlastuin, Mrakov
Lloyd survives for all the reasons mentioned by YBB, agree with the that he was OK today
At the risk of abuse from Big Tone ::), why Butler over any of the others? Also thought Vlas was average today WP, did you see the game?
I think Butler was poor today and last week.
I'd give him a spell in the twos and make him earn it again.
All his credits from earlier in the season have been used up imo.
Nothing wrong with making them earn/want it more.
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Up until 3 quarter time Butler was very quiet. Had a good fourth quarter but definitely at risk of being dropped. if Vlas fit enough bring him in. Houli looks as though he will be out for a fair while.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Worst game i have seen from Edwards - it was pathetic!
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I fell for the 'knee jerk' reaction a couple of weeks ago wanting Castagna dropped. We have to keep playing these kids if fit as they need time to work on their chemistry and roles. Butler I reckon has been told to slow down and be more deliberate with his disposal and that is causing him problems ATM. He'll work it out in time.
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I fell for the 'knee jerk' reaction a couple of weeks ago wanting Castagna dropped. We have to keep playing these kids if fit as they need time to work on their chemistry and roles. Butler I reckon has been told to slow down and be more deliberate with his disposal and that is causing him problems ATM. He'll work it out in time.
agree on both counts - Ive noticed with Butler the last few weeks, hes been caught flat footed, can almost see him over thinking it
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The Barometer - Round 15
Herald-Sun
26 June 2017
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: Richmond’s small forward line has been struggling a little in recent weeks and may be in line for some tweaking. Rebounding defender Bachar Houli will come under scrutiny from the Match Review Panel after his high hit on Carlton’s Jed Lamb.
ON THE CUSP: Midfielder Anthony Miles — who was an emergency for the match with Carlton — continued a strong run of form in the VFL, best afield in the Tigers’ 84-point thumping of Northern Blues. Jacob Townsend and Taylor Hunt were also impressive while Nick Vlastuin made his return to the field from a shoulder injury.
CHRIS CAVANAGH’S FORECAST: A tough slog against Carlton but the Tigers finished strongly to collect the four points. The Tigers meet fourth-placed Port Adelaide on Saturday night. Houli looks set to receive weeks from the Match Review Panel, which would make for at least one change to a side that has gone in unchanged the past two games. Richmond’s last trip to Adelaide Oval in Round 6 was not pretty, a 76-point loss to Adelaide the result. Coach Damien Hardwick will be hoping his side can put in a better performance against the Power, who beat the Tigers in both matches between the sides last year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-injury-list-whos-hot-and-whos-hurt-after-round-14/news-story/44bedfb31fb75785114d2ca593506c61
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I fell for the 'knee jerk' reaction a couple of weeks ago wanting Castagna dropped. We have to keep playing these kids if fit as they need time to work on their chemistry and roles. Butler I reckon has been told to slow down and be more deliberate with his disposal and that is causing him problems ATM. He'll work it out in time.
agree on both counts - Ive noticed with Butler the last few weeks, hes been caught flat footed, can almost see him over thinking it
Or could it be he is just out of form?
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
What did you think of that attempt at mark of the year when he gave away the free kick?
And he does it every week.
What about you YBB?
Giving away free kicks like that is poor. When he has done little else it makes it worse. Today though he was very good in general link up play. Credit where credits due. Saw the replay as well as seeing it live. He played a decent game. If you doubt don't drop him for his poor ones, how can you drop him after a decent one?
I watched the second half tonight and he went better than I first thought.
Being at the games and watching them on TV is so different sometimes.
Can I ask if you were at the game?
The other player that looks different live imo is Caddy. Some weeks I think he is lazy and fumbles everything only to change my opinion on him when I watch the replay.
I'm not sure if it because you see more of their second efforts or lack of in some cases, when at the games but 100% some players look better when you can only see their first effort.
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Id like to see Soldo and Garthwaite come into the team and would probably bring in one if not both of Markov and Vlastuin.
In fact id be happy with 6 changes if it was possible but it aint ever going to happen.
Imo we are running Nankervis into the ground he needs some help enter Soldo,.
From all reports Garthwaite could play as a fwd for us would also provide some flexability and allow for other options ie Astbury fwd if need be.
Markov or Vlastuin for the suspended Houli would prefer we play both down back and move Ellis out of there.
We seriously need to look at miles Stengle Lennon as well.
Outs atm would be from
Houli, Edwards Rioli, Butler Lloyd.
How about a team like this
Vlastuin - Astbury - Grimes
Markov - Rance - Short
McIntosh - Martin - Grigg
Soldo - Cotchin - Prestia
Castagna - Riewoldt - Stengle
Nankervis - Garthwaite - Bolton
Menadue - Caddy - Lambert - ellis.
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Have wanted Lloyd out for weeks but I thought he played his best game this year for us. Lots of possessions and team oriented ones at that. Stays in on that performance.
Think Titch needs to be dropped. A player of his seniority must do much more in games. Would bring in Stengle for him.
Must have been watching a different game to you regarding Lloyd. Lloyd is slow, SELFISH and has lost his goal sense. That attempt at taking a screamer in the 3rd I think was, was exactly what this club needs to weed out. He put himself in front of his teammates with that attempt.
I would drop him for that alone.
He gives away too many stupid free kicks and he is a momentum killer.
You are spot on with Edwards though.
Completely disagree on Lloyd. I'm with YBB in that I wanted him out but I think when you watch the replay you will see that he won some important contests for us today. Worked hard up the ground and was solid. He deserves to play next week.
What did you think of that attempt at mark of the year when he gave away the free kick?
And he does it every week.
What about you YBB?
Giving away free kicks like that is poor. When he has done little else it makes it worse. Today though he was very good in general link up play. Credit where credits due. Saw the replay as well as seeing it live. He played a decent game. If you doubt don't drop him for his poor ones, how can you drop him after a decent one?
I watched the second half tonight and he went better than I first thought.
Being at the games and watching them on TV is so different sometimes.
Can I ask if you were at the game?
The other player that looks different live imo is Caddy. Some weeks I think he is lazy and fumbles everything only to change my opinion on him when I watch the replay.
I'm not sure if it because you see more of their second efforts or lack of in some cases, when at the games but 100% some players look better when you can only see their first effort.
I was at the game. All of my mates (who don't rate him) also thought he played well. :thumbsup
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I fell for the 'knee jerk' reaction a couple of weeks ago wanting Castagna dropped. We have to keep playing these kids if fit as they need time to work on their chemistry and roles. Butler I reckon has been told to slow down and be more deliberate with his disposal and that is causing him problems ATM. He'll work it out in time.
agree on both counts - Ive noticed with Butler the last few weeks, hes been caught flat footed, can almost see him over thinking it
Hardwick has decided to take him under his wing and give him some things to work on to improve.
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Outs- Lloyd, Butler, Houli
Ins- Vlastuin, Stengle, Markov
OUTS: Houli, Butler
INS: Vlastuin, Mrakov
Lloyd survives for all the reasons mentioned by YBB, agree with the that he was OK today
At the risk of abuse from Big Tone ::), why Butler over any of the others? Also thought Vlas was average today WP, did you see the game?
I think Butler was poor today and last week.
I'd give him a spell in the twos and make him earn it again.
All his credits from earlier in the season have been used up imo.
Nothing wrong with making them earn/want it more.
More to the point, why over any of the others (i.e Shai, Cas or Rioli)
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Outs- Lloyd, Butler, Houli
Ins- Vlastuin, Stengle, Markov
OUTS: Houli, Butler
INS: Vlastuin, Mrakov
Lloyd survives for all the reasons mentioned by YBB, agree with the that he was OK today
At the risk of abuse from Big Tone ::), why Butler over any of the others? Also thought Vlas was average today WP, did you see the game?
I think Butler was poor today and last week.
I'd give him a spell in the twos and make him earn it again.
All his credits from earlier in the season have been used up imo.
Nothing wrong with making them earn/want it more.
More to the point, why over any of the others (i.e Shai, Cas or Rioli)
I think out of that lot he has been the worst preformed since he has come back from injury.
As much as Rioli has barely touched the footy either in that time, he has put on more pressure with his tackling and harassment than Bulter.
I've said it before, getting dropped isn't the end of the world, in some cases it can actually help the player.
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In the Mix - Round 15
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
28 June 2017
RICHMOND
Nick Vlastuin returned from a six-week shoulder injury in the VFL and played well across half-back and pushed forward for one goal to potentially stuff an inevitable return to the AFL team.
Midfielder Anthony Miles continued his excellent run of form, racking up a game-high 38 possessions. He was an emergency in round 14 and is doing everything possible to break in for his third game this season.
If the Tigers need tall reinforcements, veteran ruckman Ivan Maric appears next in line after being named in the 25-man AFL squad last week. He dominated the ruck at VFL level and kicked one goal to stake his claims in a structure that would allow Toby Nankervis to rotate forward.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-27/in-the-mix-whos-pushing-for-selection-in-round-15