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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: georgies31 on September 24, 2017, 04:02:25 AM
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There a formidable side,but I reckon there beatable they have been found wanting at times this season against lesser sides like roos and pies.We a better side then when we lost in rd 6 we a more mature,understand the game plan better players have improved.First thing is we need to cut the silly errors and turnovers cause they will punish us and we need a 4 qtr effort.They got a great attack and alot of options to goal to.
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Very simple
All we need to do is defend the entire ground when we don't have possession
Most clubs can't do it , we can
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It would also help if when the siren goes at the end of the game that we are in front on the scoreboard
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Blues pushed them at the g
We are a show here fellas on that basis alone.
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It would also help if when the siren goes at the end of the game that we are in front on the scoreboard
This is one if the most underrated plays in football.
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Bring back Kevin Morris to take out a few of the crows.
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Blues pushed them at the g
We are a show here fellas on that basis alone.
Lets not forget Collingwood got 50 pts up on them as well .
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I recon we need to put work into their running backman especially Laird. If you can stop their run off halfback it will go along way to winning the game.
Townsend to Lever and George to Laird??
Also Grimes to Betts and maybe McIntosh to Cameron??
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going to need to look at negating Sloane very seriously
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going to need to look at negating Sloane very seriously
Yer, I think that's a given.
Lambert?
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It's the granny so duhhh but this is going to be the hardest game all year. Crows the best scoring side, so many weapons up forward and I'm not sure we can completely shut them down. Generally we haven't been a strong scoring side ourselves but rather relied on on team defence to shut down the opposition. This worked for one quarter against them last time before they smashed us (mind you didn't we lose one or two to injury early?). Our last 4 games we have finally started putting decent scores on the board ourselves so I'm thinking that's going to have to be the mindset again as we're not going to be able to completely strangle them like we have done against Geelong and GWS. Really need to make every opportunity count.
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Rain . Even God barracks for the Tigers .
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Simply need to win the contested ball, with what they have inside 50 with enough entries they will kick a winning score. The only way to negate this is to stop their run and spread which comes from their clearances.
We have to keep it a low to ground game, if it becomes a kicking down the line game then we will get smashed as they are way superior in contested marking. They are not the same team when playing at the G so if we play at our best we can win this thing.
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We can win it in the midfield imo, just keep it the stuff away from their forwards, they are deadly, wont be able to grind them as much as other sides. Any space and they pin each other on the tit so we have to be all over them like a flaws on a claw theory.
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Interestingly we lost most key stats last night. But we were harder at it.
Bring out absolute best pressure and we are a real chance. Oh and convert easy goals too !!
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Just by believing.
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Agree with most we need to stop there run from the back half and win the centre ball and keep it nice and tight on our terms.As people saying if they get clear ball they can score easily,be interesting to see how teams they struggled with set up against them.
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Definitely need to bring a high pressure game and to negate their run from the backline.
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I think we can beat them. Since we played them our mediums such as caddy and Townsend have learnt to halve the contest against taller opponents, if we do that it will go a long way to beating them. We are a much improved side that got done to them earlier this season and let’s be honest that game was like a perfec storm, ridiculous frees, ridiculous goals a couple of injuries. It’s on our turf now
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Very simple
All we need to do is defend the entire ground when we don't have possession
Most clubs can't do it , we can
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That is very very good point and yes it is something we can do. If we do we will win, and if we add a little DUSTY too easy :thumbsup :gotigers
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I think the stoppages will be critical in this game, and we need to really study the tape from the other Prelim.
The Crows killed the Cats at stoppages, not just winning the ball but creating the player behind the stoppage to deliver the ball to advantage.
Nank needs to have a big game but more importantly, so does Grigg. When Grigg is in the ruck we effectively have another mobile player at the stoppage. If he can stop the Crows getting the ball out the their player behind the stoppage, that will really hurt them.
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The real question being how do the crows stop us?
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We need a better first half then yesterday.Too many passengers not involved enough waiting for others to do the work.Crows won't let you get way with that and come back into the game second half.
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Geebung looked ordinary in that game, they were cooked early, were not chasing or pressuring, had a few goes but looked buggered from a long campaign. Not sure what we can take from that match. Our turf, should take a bit of the edge off of them
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1 more match ...
How do we beat Adelaide?
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Our depth should still at least have Carlton covered in the season opener next year.....if you catch my drift..... :shh
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Let's discuss this after 4pm because if we lose our captain we have no stuffin hope after watching that display yesterday
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Our depth should still at least have Carlton covered in the season opener next year.....if you catch my drift..... :shh
While I tend to agree if that's the attitude then why even bother participating in the conversation?
They appear to have us covered but if we can get first hands and kick for goal like we did against Freo...
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I think what we have to do is: During the playing of the national anthem whilst the Crows are trying to stand like superhero statues, our entire side coach and all needs to turn our backs to them pull down our strides and "Moon" the entire adelaide contingent. Gee i'd like to see that.
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We play the intense maniacal way we have been playing all year x3, if Cotch is out that gives our players more reason to succeed for him.
We are in the GF, make the most of it and I believe we can beat the Crows no probs.
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Our depth should still at least have Carlton covered in the season opener next year.....if you catch my drift..... :shh
While I tend to agree if that's the attitude then why even bother participating in the conversation?
So you agree with me but I shouldn't bother mentioning it? The week getting to you already? Calm down it's only Monday..... :shh
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I really think Laird is the key as the way the move it out of the backline has been how they have been winning. With Smith out injured , if we can cancel Lairds effect then it wont be the same. Townsend to go to him as a defensive forward would be worth looking at. Laird had 15 marks in the win over Geelong, we just cant let him loose to do as he pleases.
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They play very much like Hawthorn did at their peak.....so probably have to try and beat them the same way we used to beat Hawthorn when they were shytting out flags - by stopping their run of half-back and not allowing them to take so many uncontested marks.....
...and also go the knuckle of course....
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Mind you, they also hsve a considerably better ruckman that Hawthorn ever had..... :shh
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How do we beat them? How do they beat us? We need to bring elite pressure across the ground for 120 minutes.
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Ok, the way i see it, too win, we are going to have to contain 4 players.
Sloane (lambert)
Matt Crouch (prestia )
Tom Lynch (Macintosh)
Sam Jacobs (God Knows)
We must also do the usual, apply forward pressure, fast start and kick straight.
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a hard tag on sloane will go a long way. I think Prestia should be given this role. I would back Cotchin to be able to go head to head with Matt Crouch and Martin Brad Crouch. Unfortunately Nankervis is going to lose the hit outs so it's a matter of not letting them get clean clearances and disposals.
They like to generate scores from HB so not letting them win in the air with Laird, Lever and Talia will be essential i.e. not bombing it in Grigg style and praying Riewoldt will take 20 speccies next Saturday. I actually think Caddy or Townsend on Laird actually seems like a good match up. The key would be not to let him get clean possession of the ball and drill his line breaking kicks to the midfield.
I am actually worried about Tom Lynch as he plays his link up role up the ground and of course being a tall target i50 to perfection. I think trying to build a plan to nullify Betts and Cameron is a ruse. I back Rance/Astbury/Grimes/Vlastuin to hold the backline. For me it is more critical to win it in the middle and not allow them to dictate play and get repeat entries into their 50. Obviously easier said than done but to me that is the crux of their game plan
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I think we have exactly the right team to destroy Adelaide's run from HB & stop their switch & share game off half back! Hunt them down & kill them off & we'll have a big silver cup to drink from! :cheers
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Not sure if its been brought up but that stare off during and after the anthem needs to be matched.
Just stay there and dont move.
who the stuff did those losers think they are.
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Not sure if its been brought up but that stare off during and after the anthem needs to be matched.
Just stay there and dont move.
who the stuff did those losers think they are.
Yell at them in German >:(
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If they pull that wankfest bull crap, our blokes need to run right stuffing through them, stuffing drazo's, what the stuff do they think this is high school teenage antics?
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Need to also have a good start that first half against gws we had to many passengers and not enough workers crows won't give you that chance.Does anybody think that the crows going so tall may play in our favor at the MCG ? maybe to top heavy.
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Cas to laird. Be defensive but make him accountable. Townsend to Lever, can't let him float in all day on reiwoldt.
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How Richmond can beat Adelaide and win the flag
Cameron Rose
theRoar.com.au
26 September 2017
The last Saturday in September is always emotional, but this year’s grand finalists each bring emotional storylines to the big day in a way that both combatants rarely do.
Adelaide suffered arguably the greatest tragedy in the history of the game when their coach Phil Walsh lost his life at the hands of his own son in 2015. The best of the human spirit was on display across the competition in the aftermath, and the club forged on to now be on the verge of their finest hour.
Richmond has suffered as a football club more than any other side in the 35 years since their last grand final. In that time, they’ve been the master of the failed rebuild, the butt of every joke, and the eternal resting place of forlorn hopes.
At the Crows, the playing group have been committed to sacrificing for each other, driven and focussed, fuelled by an unwavering belief that they can go all the way. For the Tigers, it has all been about connectivity, firstly as people off the field, secondly as players on it, relationships that have taken them to the edge of glory.
There is no doubt that both teams are playing with a sense of destiny, and believe they are on the verge of something special. For one club, being a losing grand finalist is going to have to suffice. For the other, it will the most emotionally charged day of many of their lives – and that includes players, coaches, support staff and fans.
As many regular readers will know, I am a Richmond supporter. The depths of the club’s 2016 despair led me for the first time in my life to contemplate the idea that I may never see the Tigers play in a grand final, let alone win a premiership. The last two months has been surreal, and frankly somewhat euphoric.
The big question is, can we go all the way?
Adelaide is arguably the most organised, structured and well-coached team in the competition. Their ball movement is in the top two or three, they have the most potent attack, and their defence is ranked in the top four.
But the answer is yes, Richmond can win, and this is how.
We all know that midfield battles shape the game, and the talent on display is mouth-watering.
Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Matt Crouch and Brad Crouch are all in career best form. Dion Prestia is playing his best football after early season struggles. Rory Sloane is a gun player, fearless, and with an iron will.
Sam Jacobs and Toby Nankervis are influential in their own ways as ruckmen. Both teams have hard-running wingmen, half-forwards and half-backs sharing time through the centre of the ground as well.
There’s not a whole lot between those groups. It’s too close to call, and neither team should get a decisive advantage in that regard.
In terms of match-up on Adelaide’s dangerous forwards, Richmond is well placed in the individual battles.
Alex Rance will take Taylor Walker. David Astbury gets Josh Jenkins. Dylan Grimes, fresh off keeping Toby Greene quiet, will have more sleepless nights before partnering Eddie Betts.
Bachar Houli, Brandon Ellis and Nathan Broad will rotate through the half-back line, keeping an eye on the likes of Charlie Cameron, Rory Atkins, Richard Douglas and any other midfielders sneaking forward. We know how dangerous all of those Crows are, but the three Tigers will also be heavily relied on for drive and direction out of the back half.
Nick Vlastuin will likely take Andy Otten when he’s forward, but also spend his time trying to be the loose man in defence when Richmond are pressing up and keeping the ball inside their 50. The Tiger small forwards are there to keep the pressure on, so the Adelaide defence is forced to kick high and wide into the waiting hands of Vlastuin.
The Richmond backline has been a team within a team all year, and have continued that form in the finals, keeping Geelong to only 40 points in the qualifying final and GWS to 67 in the preliminary.
Up the other end of the ground, Daniel Talia will go to Jack Riewoldt, and we’ll see these two multiple All-Australians go head to head all game. Jacob Townsend kept Nick Haynes to only three marks on Saturday, and will be asked to play a defensive role on Jake Lever.
Adelaide will back in their defensive structure, so strong in the air, while the Tigers will savagely attack anything on the ground. Air-force versus army on that particularly battle-field.
But Adelaide has two players that must be stopped above all else, one in the forward half of the ground and one in the back. If it wasn’t obviously already, they were clearly on display in the preliminary final win over Geelong – Tom Lynch and Rory Laird.
Lynch and Laird are the architects around which the Crows’ structure is built.
Lynch leads hard, long and often, roaming between the arcs to give his midfielders and backmen a mobile target. He has sure hands on the lead, kicks the ball well, and often turns his opponent around before charging back inside 50 to mark uncontested.
His leading up the ground isn’t just about getting the ball himself either. The Adelaide forward-line is always so open because of his hard work to clear space behind him.
Richmond has the perfect match-up for Tom Lynch, if Damien Hardwick is willing to use him, and that is Kamdyn McIntosh. He is the same height and weight as Lynch, and also has the running power to go with the integral Crow.
McIntosh has been OK in the finals so far, without being ground-breaking. He is a man of rare focus, and would relish the task on Lynch. A move like this would also free up Brandon Ellis to play more on the wing, where he could get his hands on the football more than he has in the two finals so far.
Rory Laird is the best half-back in the game, and Geelong paid the price on Friday night for not locking him down. He ran riot in the first half setting up the Adelaide victory, and must be stopped at all costs.
Laird reads the play as well as any, is a good mark for his size, but it is his composure, decision-making and execution by foot that are the trademarks of his game. He slices many an opponent open by finding an in-board target from a stuff or wing, thereby giving his teammate both sides of the ground to find the next option.
The beauty of Laird is that his first instinct is always to look for that inside option, and he pulls the trigger more often than not, at a degree of difficulty most others would avoid.
While Jacob Townsend has been taking the opposition’s best intercept marker in his return from the side, Richmond hasn’t been playing a defensive tagger on running half-backs this season. Hardwick has been relying on the chemistry, speed and defensive actions of all the small forwards to apply enough pressure.
Richmond can rightly go with the same game-plan, but whoever is nearest to Laird at any given time must take accountability for him, and Hardwick should also have a plan B if Laird is getting off the chain.
The Tigers know their system works. They’ve played in front of 95,000 people twice already this finals series, and have won 11 games at the MCG this year. These latter two are advantages that Adelaide do not have.
The best part of the win over GWS was that the Giants played well; clean, quick and skilful, particularly in the first half. Yet Richmond still broke them down as the game wore on, and put them away due to relentless pressure. It was the same formula against Geelong in the first final.
The Giants and Cats both cracked in the third quarter. Against Adelaide, it’s going to take at least another 30 minutes. They are clean, they are polished, they are rock solid.
The Tigers have the belief. They have the players. They have the momentum.
And yes, they can have the premiership cup in their keeping on Saturday evening.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/09/26/richmond-can-beat-adelaide-win-flag/
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Looking at the lists of both sides we match up well.Again I'm hearing Crouch brothers etc, there forwards and ruck etc got alot more talent then us.I don't believe that.
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crouch brothers are just good solid footballers nothing elite
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crouch brothers are just good solid footballers nothing elite
Usually I'd agree but Matt Crouch is playing some damn good footy lately. Wouldn't call him elite but if he keeps up that form then maybe he will be...
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Exactly what we've been doing but up another notch.
And Jack lift!
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Matthew Lloyd says Tigers must stop Rory Laird, Tom Lynch
Matthew Lloyd,
Herald Sun
29 September 2017
THE Adelaide Crows have matchwinners on every line — it’s a phenomenon that has left clubs all year scratching their heads at match committee. Just who do you go after?
If I was in the Richmond camp, the Grand Final targets would go fairly and squarely on the backs of Rory Laird in defence and Tom Lynch in attack.
Laird and Lynch ran amok against Geelong in the preliminary final, just as they have for most of this season, as not enough respect or accountability was shown to them early in the match.
With Brodie Smith out for the season, Laird is the only creative player in Adelaide’s defence that Richmond needs to be concerned about.
Jacob Townsend should be set the task of terrorising the creator from the first bounce.
Jake Lever hurts you in the air, but he doesn’t match Laird’s weight of possessions.
Laird is a different type of player to Geelong’s Lachie Henderson, but Townsend was able to completely take him out of the game in the first final while also kicking a couple of goals.
Laird averages 29 disposals a game across the season, 20 of those being uncontested, which ranks him No. 1 for all small defenders in the AFL.
There is also no better ground level intercept player due to his ability to quickly react to the ball leaving the boot further afield.
The question for Townsend in this role is does he have the fitness, concentration and game awareness to stick to the task for 120 minutes on such a fit, hard-running player?
Townsend cannot allow Laird to be the free player just off the contest; the Crows continually look to get the ball out to him to start their attacking play, with Lynch often the next target.
Laird had 32 disposals and took 15 marks last Friday night, which was just unforgivable from the Cats.
Kevin Sheedy describes Townsend as one of the best competitors he has encountered across 30 years as coach. Townsend likes it tough and he needs to put his forearm across Laird’s chest at the first bounce and work him over physically.
Laird will have his moments, as all great players do, but if every disposal is pressured, that is a big win.
Dylan Grimes has had a wonderful record on Eddie Betts over the years.
The Richmond No. 2 is one of those players that you just hate playing on because he is extremely quick off the mark, he is strong in the air and he will never waver in his application — it’s just not in his DNA.
For all of those qualities, I would play him on Tom Lynch in the Grand Final as I don’t believe that any other player at Richmond matches up on him as well.
I would then give Nathan Broad the task of playing on Betts. Broad has conceded just five goals in his nine games since he came into the side in Round 17. Broad also hasn’t conceded a goal in the finals, totally blanketing Giant Toby Greene last week, so he would be confident. His aim should be to keep Betts to fewer than two goals.
Lynch isn’t quick but he is as smart a footballer as they come and is always running just as hard in the last minute as he was in the first.
He will be the Crows player presenting when the defenders first raise their vision for a kick out of the defensive half.
The one-time Saint relieves the pressure on everyone as he bobs up in the right spots at the perfect time to make for an easier pass.
Lynch takes more marks and has more score involvements than any other player of his type in the game. He averages eight score involvements and seven marks a game to go with his 20 disposals.
If Grimes can be with Lynch every step of the way and Townsend can nullify Laird, that puts enormous pressure on Daniel Talia, Kyle Hartigan and Luke Brown to create some attacking play, which doesn’t come naturally to them.
The repeat forward 50m entries of Richmond eventually wore down both Geelong and the GWS Giants over the past two finals when the games broke open after halftime.
If the Tigers are in the game at the main break against Adelaide, I could see it happening again. That is a big if.
Operation Laird and Lynch would be my major focus and you just have to back the rest of the Richmond playmakers to beat their respective opponents — as Alex Rance, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin usually do.
My tip: the Crows in a thriller.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/richmond-must-shut-down-rory-laird-tom-lynch-to-win-grand-final/news-story/d291d230b2da179f35e3139e0d6d453c
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how about how do the crows stop us?
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Our forward line:
Jack - Talia
Townsend - Lever
Lambert - Laird
Our backline:
Rance - Walker
Astbury - Jenkins
Grimes - Betts
Broad - Lynch (alternative is Mcintosh when Lynch pushes up the ground). Lynch often provides the link between the Crows' half-backs and forward line.
I'd guess Floss matches up on Cameron?
In the middle, Nank needs to nullify Jacobs' influence in the ruck and our mids need to win or at least match contested possession.
All up, we need to stick to bringing that intensity, pressure and tackling ferocity that we dished out in the first two finals.
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Nank - 199cm 106kg
Jacobs - 202cm 100kg
Knowing the competitive beast that Nank is I fully expect him to make up for the drubbing he copped from sauce in round 6. Surprised that there’s not much difference in height, he is a unit and can hurt opposition ducks 106kegs sheesh
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We can win it in the midfield imo, just keep it the stuff away from their forwards, they are deadly, wont be able to grind them as much as other sides. Any space and they pin each other on the tit so we have to be all over them like a flaws on a claw theory.
cmon man, I don't usually pump my own lilo round here but this has to be a good call! Our backs practically had the day off!
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It would also help if when the siren goes at the end of the game that we are in front on the scoreboard
Quoted for truth
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How do we beat the Crows? Just ask Dimma, Chuck or Owl :shh
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They were to cocky and underestimated us bigtime !.