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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 28, 2017, 01:55:28 PM
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Revealed the ruck tactic Corey McKernan says could lose the Tigers this week's Grand Final
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
28 September 2017
PREMIERSHIP ruckman Corey McKernan says no other coach in the competition would have the bravery to try Richmond’s radical ruck set-up.
Damien Hardwick will continue its high-risk ruck strategy on Saturday that has seen it concede nearly a fifth of all hit-outs in the past two finals.
Shaun Grigg has this year been the club’s back-up ruckman, giving Toby Nankervis a few precious minutes of rest each game.
But it has dramatically escalated that policy in the finals, with Grigg involved in 18.5 per cent of all ruck stoppages — up from 5.8 per cent.
Of the 29 stoppages he has been involved in over two finals, he hasn’t won a single hitout and mostly actually concedes the stoppage.
Then he turns into another midfielder as he and the onball unit try to shark the opposition tap, sometimes with Nankervis loose in defence.
Dual North Melbourne premiership player McKernan, who had 31 possessions playing loose in the 1996 Grand Final, says it is either a masterstroke or a recipe for disaster.
“Imagine if they have an injury early in the game. I don’t know of any other coach who would be prepared to take that risk,” he said.
“They would have literally no one who can take centre bounces. If it is very ballsy. If Nankervis goes down they are screwed.
“Alastair Clarkson wouldn’t do it, Roosy (Paul Roos) wouldn’t do it. If it doesn’t work he is cannon fodder for the media but if it works he is a genius.
“It’s fine as long as your ruckman doesn’t get injured because ruckmen always perform better when they have the responsibility of rucking for all four quarters.”
In Round 6 Crows ruckman Sam Jacobs dominated Nankervis but his centre-square dominance resulted in only a single point from that score source.
‘If Nankervis goes down they are screwed.’ Says McKernan
Grigg’s opponent in the two finals has won 25 of the 29 hit-outs on offer but won only four hit-outs to advantage as Richmond neutralised the hit-outs.
In all of his ruck duties this year Grigg has won just six hit-outs, only one of them being directed to advantage.
But Richmond has tried and dispensed with Todd Elton and Ivan Soldo, hitting on a formula that has seen them soar into a preliminary final.
McKernan says Adelaide will have scouted the tactic during the week and will be determined to maximise their advantage.
“Against other teams who aren’t as dominant you can roll the dice and put token pressure on and it may help but against Sam Jacobs they have to go head-to-head,’’ he said.
“You can’t afford a dominant ruckman to stuff it where he wants because the ball comes down at such rapid speed it doesn’t matter if you are sitting a kick behind play.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/revealed-the-ruck-tactic-one-premiership-star-says-could-lose-the-tigers-this-weeks-grand-final/news-story/7081864163f05e9014d38f715fc1e8b8
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Insightful
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Insightful
Can i have a transcript please ::) I didn't bother reading :shh
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Insightful
Can i have a transcript please ::) I didn't bother reading :shh
Sure
If Nank gets injured were stuffed
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Choco Williams wants Hampson to play :help.
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Richmond must play Shaun Hampson in grand final, says Mark Williams
Mark Duffield
West Australian
29 September 2017
Port Adelaide’s 2004 premiership coach and former Richmond assistant Mark Williams has urged the Tigers to make a stunning late change and bring ruckman Shaun Hampson into their grand final team.
Hampson, 29, has not played a game all year but Williams warned of dire consequences for the Tigers if Toby Nankervis went down on grand final day and the Tigers were left without a specialist ruckman against Sam Jacobs and Josh Jenkins.
“They (Richmond) can win. I watched Adelaide play Collingwood and they were down by about fifty at half time. Things would have to go well,” Williams said.
“If I was there and I was advising their match committee I would definitely be taking Shaun Hampson into the side. I would make a change.”
The Tigers have rolled the dice in recent weeks, using midfielder Shaun Grigg as a back-up ruckman, going for extra pace at ground level.
But Williams said the fact that Adelaide had two ruckmen and a tall forward line made it important that the Tigers had ruck coverage.
“If Nankervis gets injured, who is going to ruck? Is Grigg going to ruck all day is he?”
“There is no-one. If you said David Astbury then good luck playing a midget on those Crow tall forwards because they will rip you apart as well.”
“When you do plan and Dimma (Damien Hardwick) is a wonderful planner – he does need to make sure that is covered off as well.”
Williams said he would tip Richmond to win the grand final but admitted his long association with the Crows arch enemy Port Adelaide and his association with Richmond’s players as a development coach there had a large bearing in his tip.
“There are probably 14 or so that are playing now that I have put a lot of time sweat and compassion into. I look forward to them having success.”
“Having lived a long time in Adelaide and been completely opposite to the Crows I am not sure that I could ever pick the Crows. I do admire them, I think they are a wonderful club and have been highly successful,” he said.
“I understand how terrific the club is and how well supported it is but being a Port Adelaide man there is no chance I am going to pick the Crows.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-must-play-shaun-hampson-in-grand-stuff-williams-ng-b88613992z
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When will this fellow just shut up?
I'm really starting to be irritated hearing him waffle about how good he is.
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Yes Hamspud deserves a shot at history by becoming the first player to cost his club two flags within the same week..... :clapping
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Yes Hamspud deserves a shot at history by becoming the first player to cost his club two flags within the same week..... :clapping
:clapping :clapping
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
:clapping
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Mark Williams has proven to be the complete reason why we have been underachieving under Hardwick until now.
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
nup IIRC it was Dio
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If it's good enough to make it then it's good enough to win it.
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
nup IIRC it was Dio
:shh
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
nup IIRC it was Dio
You don't recall correctly
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
nup IIRC it was Dio
You don't recall correctly
Like stuffing whoa man, Yeahright has lost the plot :shh
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‘I never would have thought it’ — How Grigg and Nankervis are footy’s version of hit movie Twins
SAM EDMUND,
Herald Sun
30 September 2017
SHAUN Grigg, premiership ruckman.
It has a nice, if not highly unusual, ring to it.
But Grigg’s relief ruckwork for solo big man Toby Nankervis this year has had a winning ring to it as well.
And despite calls to introduce a safety net in the form of Shaun Hampson in case Nankervis goes down, this unlikely double act reminiscent of 1998 comedy Twins is ready to roll on.
Grigg, who at 190cm is 2cm shorter than Richmond wingman Kamdyn McIntosh, has relished the responsibility.
“I never would have thought it,” he said.
“I haven’t played much ruck in my life, but I’ve had good fun doing it this year and more importantly it’s good to give Nank a bit of a chop out.
“I just try to create a contest.
“The contests are so different ... if the ball bounces one way you just have to adjust and I’m just there to give a chop out and hopefully it works out all right.”
Nankervis, acquired from Sydney in the off-season, has been a revelation.
The 199cm Tasmanian has missed one game due to suspension, overcame some late-season soreness, and only calls on Grigg for short periods.
“Grigga is a pretty smart footballer and he doesn’t have to go in there for long, maybe five minutes a quarter, if that,” Nankervis said.
“We go into the game knowing that in certain times I’ll be going off and if I’m a bit tired during the game I may be able to switch with him.”
Grigg was called into the ruck by necessity in Round 2 when Ben Griffiths went down with concussion, and the Tigers have since stuck with the formula.
But it has increased dramatically in Richmond’s two finals, with Grigg involved in 18.5 per cent of all ruck stoppages — up from just 5.8 per cent in the home-and-away season.
It is a high-risk strategy described by premiership ruckman Corey McKernan as “very ballsy”, while former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams called for the return of Hampson as back-up despite him not having played a senior game this season.
An unthinkable Nankervis injury would spell almost certain doom for a Tigers team left to confront red-hot Adelaide ruckman Sam Jacobs without anyone who could take the centre bounce.
But Grigg was unbothered by what-ifs.
“I don’t think you can think about that, planning for injuries. It’s worked out for us so far and Nank has done a terrific job for us as well,” he said.
“I do know (Jacobs) really well. He’s a class ruckman who gives their midfielders first use, and Nank is going to have to play really well to nullify him.”
Jacobs destroyed Nankervis in Round 6, amassing 26 disposals, 10 score involvements, eight inside-50s and 50 hit-outs in a monster performance.
Fresh from obliterating Geelong and Zac Smith, Jacobs again shapes as the danger, but Nankervis vowed the Crows’ big man was about to meet his match.
“I’m a completely different player to Round 6 and we’re playing completely different footy as a team,” he said.
“I definitely think I’m a better ruckman now than back then.
“Round 6 is a long time ago.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/i-never-would-have-thought-it-how-grigg-and-nankervis-are-footys-version-of-hit-movie-twins/news-story/d69edb11cc58faa63156feb6a1467bc3
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Always knew this guy was a hindrance. Stuff it, just for you YBB, I was even the first to say it
nup IIRC it was Dio
You don't recall correctly
Like stuffing whoa man, Yeahright has lost the plot :shh
I can go back as early as Mid 2014 (not even sure that's when I first said it) so I would like some proof of Dio saying it prior to that. However I already proved you wrong once before :shh
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Who needs a 2nd ruck and even a ruckman at all :o.
During the second half when Nank was resting, we often didn't even bother nominating a 'ruckman'. We manned up every Crow at a stoppage and just waited for Jacobs to tap it down. Because we didn't nominate, that player became an extra midfielder and we just outnumbered Adelaide always by at least one. That helped enable us to comfortably win the contested footy and clearances.
The new ruck rules have caused this. We were just smarter than everyone else to work it to our advantage. No grabbing the ball out of the ruck forced Jacobs to always having to tap it down and no third man up made going into every stoppage predictable and controllable.
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The new ruck rules have caused this. We were just smarter than everyone else to work it to our advantage. No grabbing the ball out of the ruck forced Jacobs to always having to tap it down and no third man up made going into every stoppage predictable and controllable.
The AFL will hate this too but very much deserved :lol
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Do we bring in a mosquito ruck squad?
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Grigg - premiership ruckman :bow
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Freaked out then later peeed myself laughing when Rioli rucked vs Jacobs
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Do we bring in a mosquito ruck squad?
Well Rioli did take one throw in and didn't look after of place