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Richmond list management: The moves that made a premiership team
MICHAEL WARNER,
Herald Sun
October 2, 2017
RICHARD Tambling’s wobbly right-foot pass found Jordan McMahon all alone, 45m out at the Punt Rd End.
It was Round 18, 2009, Richmond versus Melbourne, and in a game that nobody really wanted to win, McMahon went back and drilled a goal after the final siren.
The four-point loss gifted the Demons picks 1 and 2 in the national draft with Richmond’s first selection falling to No.3.
Melbourne opted for Tom Scully and Jack Trengove and Tigers recruiter Francis Jackson pounced on a kid from Castlemaine called Dustin Martin.
“From what I know, Francis loved him (Martin) from a long way out,” Richmond list manager Blair Hartley said yesterday.
“He was obviously powerfully built and had a lot of upside given his exposure to the elite pathway was limited at that stage. He was raw ... but it’s all come out pretty positive in the end.”
Few would have thought it, but the foundations of a premiership team were already laid.
Shane Edwards, Alex Rance, Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt all played in that game against Melbourne in 2009.
They are the only four players on the Tigers list to predate the arrival of coach Damien Hardwick for the 2010 season.
Cotchin, a precocious junior talent once removed from the field in a Vic Metro trial game at Victoria Park because he was too dominant, was taken at pick 2 behind Matthew Kreuzer in the 2007 draft.
Until 2009, Jackson was a one-man band in the Tigers’ horribly under-resourced recruiting department.
“Francis deserves a lot of credit because he’s put in a lot of hours over a number of years and he’s now got two Brownlow Medallists on his resume — there’s not many recruiters around who can stake a claim for that,” Hartley said.
“No one works harder in football and he should be sitting back quite happy with the work he put in.”
Race was a diamond snared by Jackson with Richmond’s next selection (pick 18) in the 2007 Cotchin draft.
Riewoldt (pick 13) and Edwards (pick 26) were selected by Jackson the previous season.
Shaun Grigg landed at Punt Rd from Carlton at the end of 2010 in a swap for Andrew Collins, while Bachar Houli was picked up for no cost in the pre-season draft the same year from Essendon.
Defender Dylan Grimes was overlooked by every club in the 2010 national draft and taken by the Tigers in that year’s pre-season draft.
“He had some work to do on his game with some of his offensive work but he’s a fierce competitor and was another great pick by Francis,” Hartley said.
David Astbury arrived in 2009 via pick 35, while first round picks Nick Vlastuin (pick 9, 2012), Daniel Rioli (pick 15, 2015), Brandon Ellis (pick 15, 2011) have all delivered.
Giants hard nut Jacob Townsend became a Tiger in exchange for pick 70 in 2015 and his season ends with an AFL premiership medal and the J.J Liston Trophy as the VFL’s best player.
Kane Lambert was overlooked in six national drafts before the Tigers recruited him at age 23 from Williamstown three years ago.
Another journeyman, Nathan Broad, was a plumber playing WAFL before being drafted with pick 67 in the 2015 draft.
Kamdyn McIntosh was identified by club recruiter Richard Taylor and drafted in 2012 with a pick obtained as part of the Tambling trade to Adelaide.
“Richard really liked his footy and pushed him up but he was a raw kid from Pinjarra who had to learn to live in Melbourne first before he was able to develop as a player,” Hartley said.
Dan Butler was a fourth-round draft pick and Jason Castagna a rookie.
“Jason played predominantly as a backman for the Northern Knights ... he wasn’t always polished but he showed a real desire to compete which we thought as a rookie was worth a go,” he said.
South Australian midfielder Jack Graham, a premiership player in just his fifth game, was taken at pick 53 last year — a selection the Tigers obtained as part of the Caddy trade with Geelong.
The list build was completed in last year’s trade period when the Tigers recruited great mates Josh Caddy and Dion Prestia and ruckman Toby Nankervis from the Swans.
Richmond’s recruiting team includes Matthew Clarke, Luke Williams, Nick Austin, Jackson, Taylor and 12 part-timers.
But Hartley said Saturday’s premiership was the result of years of work across all departments of the club.
“It’s not just one thing — there are a lot of key pillars to a football program,” he said.
“If you haven’t got coaching, development, welfare, data management, fitness and medical programs all humming, you can’t win.
“We’ve got some wonderful people working in all those areas and it turns good players into very good players.
Asked if he always had confidence that the list would deliver a flag, Hartley said: “We faced some challenges stripping it right back and with the expansion clubs coming through.
“We had to look outside the square to be competitive and now we’ve done it.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/how-richmond-built-a-premiership-team/news-story/a8de0130a5f60da2c2a0193c15f30a4a
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I don't usually read the Herald Sun news PICTORIAL but got it this week to read the extra reports about the Tigers.
There's a fair bit of air-brushing of history in this article and that's to be expected but .....
Melbourne opted for Tom Scully and Jack Trengove and Tigers recruiter Francis Jackson pounced on a kid from Castlemaine called Dustin Martin.
“From what I know, Francis loved him (Martin) from a long way out,” Richmond list manager Blair Hartley said yesterday.
“He was obviously powerfully built and had a lot of upside given his exposure to the elite pathway was limited at that stage. He was raw ... but it’s all come out pretty positive in the end.”
It may well be true that Francis loved him but after Melbourne took Scully and Trengove, Dusty was the clear next best.
Scully quickly left to go to GWS after his disgust at the antics of his fellow demons on a trip to Asia.
Trengove had continuing injury problems compounded by being given the captaincy at a young age.
Dusty was seen, as per the article, as lacking work ethic and having a weight problem. Dermie famously labelled him as a potential "waddler" and that was the common view then.
It's similar to the Cotchin pick.
He was seen as the clear number 2 after his good mate Kreuzer was taken by Carlton after they lost the "Kreuzer Cup"
Cotchin, a precocious junior talent once removed from the field in a Vic Metro trial game at Victoria Park because he was too dominant, was taken at pick 2 behind Matthew Kreuzer in the 2007 draft.
Until 2009, Jackson was a one-man band in the Tigers’ horribly under-resourced recruiting department.
While it is obvious that Jackson suffered from an under-resourced department it is also true that in an interview with Richo in 2011 he said that he did not want any more resources than what he had - Clarke and Taylor as full timers with minimal part-time scouts.
Rance was a diamond snared by Jackson with Richmond’s next selection (pick 18) in the 2007 Cotchin draft.
Riewoldt (pick 13) and Edwards (pick 26) were selected by Jackson the previous season.
While Rance was a great pick this ignores the fact we also had the next pick but traded it to the Bulldogs for McMahon.
They used the pick for Ward who is now the captain of GWS and was voted 3rd best finals player after Martin and Cotchin this year.
Riewoldt was only taken at pick 13 after we downgraded from pick 8 to get Polak. Ben Reid, Nathan Brown, Everitt and Frawley were all taken between 8 and 13. We lucked out to a certain extent by getting the best tall passing on Sellar, Mitch Brown and Hampson. We could have finished with any of the others
Edwards was picked when we were in dire need of talls, passing on Dawes, McKenzie, Kurt Tippett and Todd Goldstein.
This selecting of smalls and ignoring talls continues even in the last draft and is why we were forced to go with just Jack and Nank (traded in) this year.
Defender Dylan Grimes was overlooked by every club in the 2010 national draft and taken by the Tigers in that year’s pre-season draft.
“He had some work to do on his game with some of his offensive work but he’s a fierce competitor and was another great pick by Francis,” Hartley said.
I've always loved Grimesy but again we got lucky. He admitted on GF day that he was ready to give it away a couple of years ago with continual hamstring problems.
Giants hard nut Jacob Townsend became a Tiger in exchange for pick 70 in 2015 and his season ends with an AFL premiership medal and the J.J Liston Trophy as the VFL’s best player.
Kane Lambert was overlooked in six national drafts before the Tigers recruited him at age 23 from Williamstown three years ago.
Another journeyman, Nathan Broad, was a plumber playing WAFL before being drafted with pick 67 in the 2015 draft.
Kamdyn McIntosh was identified by club recruiter Richard Taylor and drafted in 2012 with a pick obtained as part of the Tambling trade to Adelaide.
“Richard really liked his footy and pushed him up but he was a raw kid from Pinjarra who had to learn to live in Melbourne first before he was able to develop as a player,” Hartley said.
Dan Butler was a fourth-round draft pick and Jason Castagna a rookie.
“Jason played predominantly as a backman for the Northern Knights ... he wasn’t always polished but he showed a real desire to compete which we thought as a rookie was worth a go,” he said.
South Australian midfielder Jack Graham, a premiership player in just his fifth game, was taken at pick 53 last year — a selection the Tigers obtained as part of the Caddy trade with Geelong.
All these players are great picks and have overcome our former reputation for not getting bargain players.
They all have come after we added Luke Williams to the Recruiting Department in 2014.
Between 2006 and 2013 we have only Grimes (2009 PSD), Astbury (2009 35), Batchelor (2010 30) and McIntosh (2012 31) who could be considered successes.
Grigg, Houli, Maric , Morris, Lloyd, Hampson, Miles were all mature age players mostly taken in trade.
There's nothing wrong with that and it's what you must do today as can be seen from the last few.
The list build was completed in last year’s trade period when the Tigers recruited great mates Josh Caddy and Dion Prestia and ruckman Toby Nankervis from the Swans.
At the end of the day anybody and everybody at Richmond can sit back and say "Get stuffed. We won the premiership and I don't care beyond that."
This is true.
But I really don't think we can ignore or brush over our past problems.
The really freaky thing is that, due to the premiership and the positive reports of our team's great spirit, we have a huge chance to capitalise on the moment to set up our list for the next decade with good trades and picks and a youngish list with talent.
Richmond are suddenly the best destination club for any disgruntled player.
That can be a minus if all we get is someone with a chip on their shoulder but if we are careful and get a Nankervis, Prestia or Caddy as well as some kids with good character like Graham, Bolton or Stengle we will be in a very good place. That's a huge challenge for the our staff.
I have a lot more faith in our List Management and Recruiting teams than I had even last year but we really need to dig in even harder now.
Sorry if I've laid a downer on you but I can see a lot of blue sky ahead if we keep our focus.
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Is this a case of, winners rewriting their history?😂😂😂
What a crock of poo.
Will be interesting to see who worms out the most in the coming months.
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Winners are grinners and bottom line is we've won the premiership and you can argue that one doesnt go without the other (good list management and a premiership).
I think its important that we cut the deadwood like Hunt, Morris, Elton, Yarran, Maric(ret), with Lennon, Conca and Miles likely to be traded but lets not cut too far. One of our strengths this season was having Miles, Lloyd, Towno, lennon and co consistently playing strong footy in the vfl and putting pressure on our seniors. Losing one or two is ok, but lose all or most and it leaves a big gap.
I wouldnt mind if Lennon and Conca were traded for some picks or magic beans, but would love Miles and Lloyd to stay on with us. 7 changes in a premiership year with 3 new inclusions including a father son and 2 x first rounders to strengthen us would be very handy.
I would do the following:
Delist:
Morris
Hunt
Maric(ret)
Yarran
Elton
Trade
Lennon
Conca
On the chopping block and could easily go
Drummond
Griff
Hamspud
I still think we'll be able to get naish without sacrificing one of our 2 first rounders, its all bluff that he's now considered a top 10 pick imo. if we manage to swing it that 3 of our 5 new inclusions will be naish and 2 x first rounders, that will be a great off season and will make the rest of the competition spew hard.
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I thought I knew a little about lists. Now I know I know stuff all. We have holes a plenty it looks to me and yet we won. I feel like our 4 cylinder revved out its guts and the Adelaide v8 broke it's clutch.
What I've been thinking is how did we win and to me it looks like Sydney circa 2005 and the dogs last year. Lots of collisions to stop other teams getting a run on and pushing it forward without any real finesse. Pt2 is not Sydney 05 like but the rules have changed.
I think it's proven with this style of game you don't need an abundance of talls. Particularly up forward or in the centre.