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The mystery of Josh Schache's slide and how the Brisbane Lions point the finger at Richmond
Caroline Wilson
The Age
13 October 2017
Just how Josh Schache went from being close to the hottest football prospect in the county to a footballer not one club has yet been prepared to entertain a trade for remains the most intriguing story of the AFL's player market period.
Even though the Jake Stringer stand-off is extraordinary, there is a far more simple explanation behind the relative lack of interest in the 23-year-old who was the Western Bulldogs' best forward. And one the Bulldogs must understand was largely of their own making in terms of trade value. They contributed to his current standing as damaged goods.
Why the 2016 premiers would insist on a first-round draft pick after coach Luke Beveridge suggested flaws of character, personal standards and commitment and said Stringer's departure was in the best interests of the team remains unfathomable.
Added to that the unsavoury and damning assessment delivered on the eve of the grand final by Stringer's former partner and mother of his two children, which included accusations of a string of paramours including a 17-year-old fan and a gambling addiction, you'd have to wonder why Stringer's club tried to stand firm over pick No.11.
Schache is just 20 and two years ago was taken by the Lions with pick two in the national draft a Murray Bushranger whom the Brisbane Lions insist showed no signs of becoming a "go-homer". Now the club has been struggling to raise interest in the big key forward for even a second-round pick.
Surely that will change. Our view is the club will achieve a trade and the tyre-kicking from Victorian clubs will resume in earnest over the weekend. And put an end to the unhappy saga that has damaged the images of both club and player and transformed the homesick boy from Seymour into something of a political football.
Schache has become the subject of a spat between Brisbane and Richmond that erupted in recent weeks when the Lions new list manager Dom Ambrogio accused his Tigers' counterpart Blair Hartley of distracting the already troubled young player during his second season at the Gabba.
The Brisbane view was that Richmond wooed Schache and in doing so contributed to his poor form and reduced commitment. This version also dictates that former Lions coach Justin Leppitsch stayed in touch with the player once he rejoined the Tigers as an assistant coach.
Further there was an allegation that Richmond subsequently lowered Schache's trade stocks by passing on stories alluding to his fragility involving a first-hand experience after the Tigers interviewed him.
Richmond, in turn, angrily deny all of the above. The Tigers claim that while they interviewed Schache they lost serious interest in the player as an immediate prospect once he re-signed with the Lions. When Schache was offered around again, say the Tigers, their situation had changed. Nor were they prepared to consider the estimated minimum price tag, which, in a best-case scenario, would involve something with a three in front of it.
Richmond say Brisbane have only themselves to blame. That the club failed to adequately care for Schache's welfare in his first season and did not put enough thought into his living circumstances. Even the Lions would privately admit Schache was physically exhausted at the end of 2016 and he should have been managed more conservatively in a playing sense. Still back in year one he showed signs of being the dominant forward his No.2 draft placing suggested he would become.
Either way Schache was clearly unhappy at Brisbane by the late autumn of 2017 and his form mirrored that. There were still signs an early competitive effort against Steven May being one but Schache looked to join the line of early draft picks wanting out. No one was more surprised than the Lions football department when he re-signed.
Football can be a fickle game. Not only are small forwards all the rage but clubs are shying away from the bigger variety ones who take significant time to develop. It's hard to imagine Tom Boyd earning the wage and the heavy selling price that came with his move to the Bulldogs had GWS attempted to trade him now.
And in another premiership victory heavily punctuated by pressure and intensity comes further devaluing of players seen as less competitive.
You only had to listen to Simon Goodwin's speech at the Melbourne best and fairest to understand why Jack Watts was on the way out.
Now Schache has become a public relations problem for Brisbane and the club must trade him. Just as Luke Hodge's weird decision to play again up north is a major marketing victory for the Lions as they work to attract the nation's best talent, Schache presents as a warning reminder of the opposite, of a time hopefully past when Brisbane was a poor football club.
Like the high-maintenance Stringer and the Bulldogs; Ambrogio, Chris Fagan and football boss David Noble must cut their losses and move the 20-year-old on. Like with Stringer, there's no going back now and a new jumper presents as his football salvation.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-mystery-of-josh-schaches-slide--and-how-the-brisbane-lions-point-the-finger-at-richmond-20171013-gz0fei.html
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:shh
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like stuffing whoa man :shh
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Doesn't sound like they would deal with us now even if we actually wanted him.
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Doesn't sound like they would deal with us now even if we actually wanted him.
They are just trying to deflect the blame for their poor management of the player.
If we made them an offer, they'd take it. Don't reckon it would need to be that much either.
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Straight swap for Hampson
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Straight swap for Hampson
Yessssssssss big man! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Straight swap for Hampson
Yessssssssss big man! :clapping :clapping :clapping
Or Yarran :shh
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Straight swap for Hampson
Yessssssssss big man! :clapping :clapping :clapping
Or Yarran :shh
:lol
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Anybody know what this first hand experience was? Did he have a car crash or something like that? I know they can throw you.
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All those jets plucked from them by other clubs and they cracl the sads over our approaching Schache. No wonder that club is falling apart at the seams. If the Hodge experiment fails that club is just about finished. Again.
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Sounds like he has too much emotional baggage regardless. We don't need to waste another pick on a player who would struggle to make our AFL team atm and who could fall to pieces when he's not considered a star of the team. Better to recruit and would with a new, unblemished player
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Cleve Post :shh
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I believe we need Schache as insurance for Jack and even Nankervis going down with injury. There's been bigger turn around in the history of AFL football than what we require from Schache and his first year was perfectly fine - it's been this past season which has been the issue.
Talls is a key weakness in our list
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I believe we need Schache as insurance for Jack and even Nankervis going down with injury. There's been bigger turn around in the history of AFL football than what we require from Schache and his first year was perfectly fine - it's been this past season which has been the issue.
Talls is a key weakness in our list
From a purely playing perspective Schache looks like he should be a good for us, so there is obviously something else lingering in the background.
From our team's perspective, I am guessing that they place a premium on recruiting players who fit our cultural system, these connections that everyone at the club keeps talking about. If this bond between players, coaching staff and everyone else at the club is what has delivered us the 2017 flag, the last thing the club will want to do is to destabilise that.
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The Swans have the "no idiots" policy, what do we call ours?
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How would Schache impact that?
I would say it's the opposite - our culture would infinitely help him to develop and grow
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How would Schache impact that?
I would say it's the opposite - our culture would infinitely help him to develop and grow
Yeah, quite possibly, I thought of that when typing my previous post.
But unless we just don't rate him as a player, which seems hard to believe given how we chased him earlier in the year, not sure what else it could be.
And as strong as our culture is, and the way we back it in to produce the goods for the playing group and club, I can think of a number of issues that might influence our decision to stay away.
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It can't be underestimated how peeved off the club is with his manager who they were obviously talking to earlier in the year and then, without warning, resigned with Brisbane.
Nobody in the media seems to look at that at all. It was a serious loss of good will from the player/player manager.
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How would Schache impact that?
I would say it's the opposite - our culture would infinitely help him to develop and grow
Yeah, quite possibly, I thought of that when typing my previous post.
But unless we just don't rate him as a player, which seems hard to believe given how we chased him earlier in the year, not sure what else it could be.
And as strong as our culture is, and the way we back it in to produce the goods for the playing group and club, I can think of a number of issues that might influence our decision to stay away.
There's no doubting it's a throw at the stumps....as is drafting unproven talent. You need to balance risk with reward in both scenarios but I'd have thought with Jack only having 4, maybe 5 years left that getting someone into their 3rd year would be a massive pro
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The Swans have the "no idiots" policy, what do we call ours?
The "no getting paid for mental health/ drug rehabilitation while never playing a game or contributing on any level policy"
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I'm not sure about this trade.We all thought we could turn around Yarran and we got burned.I agree maybe the club feel like there was a agreement and then he resigned with lions and club lost interest from there.Happy to take both picks to draft.
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Heard Wallace on the radio the other day and he said rumour was richmond had a meeting with Josh where he got quite emotional and richmond from there, felt he was a bit soft.
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All over the BF Brisbane boards that he broke down crying in our interview, which frankly I don't have an issue with.
I think its very different to the Yarran situation. Schache is just a very talented kid trying to find himself. Put him in a strong environment and watch him grow. Yarran has some serious demons he was dealing with when he came to us. As it turned out he was too far gone.
I just can't see us losing out if we spend pick 17 to get him across.
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Depending on the context of the discussion it may fit right within the new open and being comfortable with being vulnerable culture that we have created.
Its ok to not be perfect etc.
I say watch this space on Schache
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People grow up but Pagan once said football doesn't breed character it weeds out those without it.
Hope he comes good but AFL is brutal.
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The Swans have the "no idiots" policy, what do we call ours?
Richmond's culture has changed ...
Back us in ... we did win the Premiership!
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How long does a club have to have a culture before you can claim it's been ingrained? Only a few months ago we were supposedly mentally weak
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As soon as you win a premiership I'd say
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Culture !!!! - It was rubbish when so many claimed we had a loosing "Culture" because we had been crap for years and its rubbish to say we have a winning one now we have won a flag.
Its all about what people you have at the club, and the relationships between them all at the time. What went on 20 years ago has little to no effect on how Lambert or Houli play in round 1 next year or how we develop a young forward. People bandy about this word "Culture" yet really cant define it in a way that relates to a football club.
Pet hate
End of rant.
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I never thought of culture as such a long term thing (20 years). I reckon it needs to be evident over a period of two seasons before you can claim it as culture but it can end quicker than it starts
Its all about what people you have at the club, and the relationships between them all at the time.
I think that's pretty much culture in a nut shell...
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the scene was set off field many years ago, it's just come together on field all of a sudden (with some good fortune thrown in)
Most clubs talk about the importance of getting the off field stuff right first, which we have clearly done.
The value of backing each other came through in the off season with Dimma. Balme has just reinforced this since coming in
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HRT just read your post again it makes little sense.
You claim that Hardwick brought this in the off season and Balme reinforced it when he came in.
Balme was at Richmond before Hardwick went over seas.
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HRT just read your post again it makes little sense.
You claim that Hardwick brought this in the off season and Balme reinforced it when he came in.
Balme was at Richmond before Hardwick went over seas.
The reference to Dimma was in relation to the board and Benny keeping him on.
The Benny Gale, Peg and Dimma show started about 7 years ago, Balme has openly stated that he saw his role to ensure that people in their roles had belief that they belonged not just Dimma but I would imagine from the CEO to the bootstudder.