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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: H Tiger on March 08, 2006, 01:27:20 PM
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TW publically declared that was the plan last year.
Is it still the plan?
Or was it just membership advertising?
HT
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TW publically declared that was the plan last year.
Is it still the plan?
Or was it just membership advertising?
HT
Still the plan HT. Definitely still the plan
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We only achieved 16 goals or more six times last year (won 4 lost 2) and conceded 16 or more goals nine times (1-8). It would still definitely be one of Wallace's key indicators as kicking 16 goals most weeks = finals. We didn't do that last year averaging only about 13 1/2.
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should aim for 20, aim high and dont stop till u get there. 2o is a very tall order, but just missing 20, will get u 16-19, usualla win, aiming for 16, and dropping short will get u 12-15, usually a loss.
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should aim for 20, aim high and dont stop till u get there. 2o is a very tall order, but just missing 20, will get u 16-19, usualla win, aiming for 16, and dropping short will get u 12-15, usually a loss.
we need to aim as high as possible
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Two rounds down and not even close to the 16 goal target. Browny not being 100% and Richo being well held/screwed by gutless umpiring :scream is hurting our goalscoring ability. We are still getting nowhere near enough goals out of our midfield either.
Is part of Richo's future playing as a loose big man in defence?
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Is part of Richo's future playing as a loose big man in defence?
Yep!!! I have said that all along!! It's no good having someone playing full forward if they can't kick straight
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Is part of Richo's future playing as a loose big man in defence?
Only if we aren’t able to get the ball down to the forwards often enough and the ball spends most of the time in the opposition’s forward half. :P
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We need to get some other people to become multiple goal kickers.
Obviously Browny is stuggling a little to get back up to speed at the moment.
But we really need to get another couple of players who can kick multiple goals on a regular occasion
Maybe Jackson can become one of those players. Limbach is another but appears a way off still.
Hughes may get a game sooner rather than later and i would think he is a better option than Pattison.
Patto is just far too slow for mine. I would rather play Knobel off the becnh than have Patto running around. Knobel also has great size
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Only if we aren’t able to get the ball down to the forwards often enough and the ball spends most of the time in the opposition’s forward half. :P
That's true TS. We were on the wrong side of the inside 50 count.
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Is part of Richo's future playing as a loose big man in defence?
Pls god NO!
Richo shouldn't be aloud out of our forward fifty. Do we really want to regularly see him try to take on and beat men in the backline after he has just marked over the top of them? Do we want to see Richo in the open and decide to take a couple of running bounces ala Friday?
We already have two backmen this year who we are seeing struggling with a game requiring quicker legs, thinking and better skills, do we really need one more?
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We need to get some other people to become multiple goal kickers.
I agree. We should be looking at 9-10 individual goalkickers every game. We had 6 against the Saints. It is quite embarassing that Richo is still often the only option. The Cats had 9 individuals, even though Kingsley kicked 8. The Dogs shared their 20 goals between 12 players.
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Is part of Richo's future playing as a loose big man in defence?
Pls god NO!
Richo shouldn't be aloud out of our forward fifty. Do we really want to regularly see him try to take on and beat men in the backline after he has just marked over the top of them? Do we want to see Richo in the open and decide to take a couple of running bounces ala Friday?
We already have two backmen this year who we are seeing struggling with a game requiring quicker legs, thinking and better skills, do we really need one more?
I agree totally. I almost close my eyes when I see him back there. I f he turns it over there is only 5-10 seconds before they score were as the other end you at least get 20 -30 seconds and a chance to get it back. I sugest a team rule should be no Richo's in the back half of the ground.
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forget 16 goals!. i'd settle for 16 points if we won!
forget rhetoriric. applaud endeavour and victory.
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Going by our list of goalkickers this year we still don't get enough goals out of our midfielders and we're still heavily reliant on Richo. We also haven't yet cracked the ton this year and have the second lowest "for" tally. On the positive side Pettifer is continuing on from last year and Paddy, Simmo and Tivs are chipping in up forward.
1. Matthew Richardson 12
2. Kayne Pettifer 7
3. Patrick Bowden 7
4. Troy Simmonds 5
5. Greg Tivendale 4
6. Daniel Jackson 4
7. Chris Hyde 3
8. Greg Stafford 3
9. Shane Tuck 3
10. Andrew Krakouer 2
11. Brett Deledio 2
12. Richard Tambling 2
13. Kane Johnson 2
14. Nathan Foley 1
15. Nathan Brown 1
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Bump.
It's taken 3 and a bit years but over the past month we've finally been around or over the promised magical 16 goal mark.
v Fremantle 20.17-137
v Bulldogs 20.10-130
v Hawthorn 15.04-94
v St Kilda 16.11-107
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need at least 20 goals per game to even think of winning these days
30 goals when you play Geelong ;D
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We only achieved 16 goals or more six times last year (won 4 lost 2) and conceded 16 or more goals nine times (1-8). It would still definitely be one of Wallace's key indicators as kicking 16 goals most weeks = finals. We didn't do that last year averaging only about 13 1/2.
We achieved 16 gls or more in 3 games last yr.
Melb 18 16 124
Ess 17 17 119
Coll 18 8 116
All wins
although we kicked 100 points in a game against the Saints Freo and Port last yr we kicked 15 goals and lost all 3. We also kicked 15 8 98 against Carltank in Rd 1 also. We need to establish a winning culture with a fast moving skilled brand of footy with very few skill error s and the high scores then will slowly but surely be racked up.
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we need a forward line that can defend & preasure & not let it out so easy after points
We also need a backline who can get the ball out after points quickly by long attacking kicks instead of stuffing around with it
thats where we lose all games & have done for many years but its never corrected
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We're averaging right on 16 goals according to Hun:
Bulldogs 19.7
Hawthorn 18.3
Geelong 16.9
Richmond 16.0
Collingwood 15.9
Port Adel. 15.3
Carlton 14.9
Adelaide 14.9
Essendon 14.7
Brisbane 14.1
North Melb. 13.7
St Kilda 13.6
Sydney 12.7
Fremantle 12.4
Melbourne 11.0
West Coast 10.6
Also the top 3 and bottom 3 match the current ladder.
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Most pleasing.
If we can keep that up some wins will follow soon enough. 8)
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It's taken 4 years but we're finally kicking 16 goals or more in the majority of our games and when we've reached the magical 16 goal mark our record this year is 7 wins plus the dogs' draw and the 3-point loss to the Saints.
2004: 0 - Spud's last year
2005: 6 - Plough's first year
2006: 4
2007: 3
2008: 9* (from 16 games)
It's our most since 1996 which was also 9 times (but from 22 games). You have to go back to the 80's all out attacking footy to better it.
'88 - 9
'86 - 9
'85 - 11
'82 - 15
'81 - 12
'80 - 14
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames.html
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still believe we need to kick 18 to 20 goals to win in the modern game MT
can see a improvement :thumbsup
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still believe we need to kick 18 to 20 goals to win in the modern game MT
can see a improvement :thumbsup
Yeah that's true but I'm just regurgitating a Wallace 2004 statement when he was first appointed. We've kicked 20 goals or more 4 times this year for 4 wins.
Just on those stats no wonder a lot of people pine for 80's footy. Mind you the quarters back then were 25 minutes plus time on without the clock stopping at stoppages IIRC. Also just further proof the '82 side was one of the best sides never to win a flag.
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still believe we need to kick 18 to 20 goals to win in the modern game MT
can see a improvement :thumbsup
Yeah that's true but I'm just regurgitating a Wallace 2004 statement when he was first appointed. We've kicked 20 goals or more 4 times this year for 4 wins.
Just on those stats no wonder a lot of people pine for 80's footy. Mind you the quarters back then were 25 minutes plus time on without the clock stopping at stoppages IIRC. Also just further proof the '82 side was one of the best sides never to win a flag.
Yep MT the 72 one was even better than the 82 side. Kicked 22 goals in the Grannie and still lost. :banghead
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still believe we need to kick 18 to 20 goals to win in the modern game MT
can see a improvement :thumbsup
Yeah that's true but I'm just regurgitating a Wallace 2004 statement when he was first appointed. We've kicked 20 goals or more 4 times this year for 4 wins.
Just on those stats no wonder a lot of people pine for 80's footy. Mind you the quarters back then were 25 minutes plus time on without the clock stopping at stoppages IIRC. Also just further proof the '82 side was one of the best sides never to win a flag.
yes amazing what some t@s & pussy can do to a mans mind ;D that day l remember her like she was running around in my room :lol
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Make that 10 times from 17 games. 4th best this year in the AFL.
2004: 0 - Spud's last year
2005: 6 - Plough's first year
2006: 4
2007: 3
2008: 10* (from 17 games)
The AFL’s complete century scorers’ list for 2008 is:
13 – Geelong, Western Bulldogs
11 – Hawthorn
10 – Richmond
9 – Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood
8 – Sydney
7 – Essendon, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide
6 – Adelaide, St Kilda
5 – Fremantle
2 – West Coast
1 – Melbourne
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Make that 10 times from 17 games. 4th best this year in the AFL.
2004: 0 - Spud's last year
2005: 6 - Plough's first year
2006: 4
2007: 3
2008: 10* (from 17 games)
The AFL’s complete century scorers’ list for 2008 is:
13 – Geelong, Western Bulldogs
11 – Hawthorn
10 – Richmond
9 – Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood
8 – Sydney
7 – Essendon, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide
6 – Adelaide, St Kilda
5 – Fremantle
2 – West Coast
1 – Melbourne
wallet promised us that he wants us to play an attacking brand of football, and there really cannot be any deabte about that at the moment ;)
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here hear.
Support the tanned one :thumbsup
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Its great to watch when we are attacking and in full flight!!!
Go Tigers
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Make that 10 times from 17 games. 4th best this year in the AFL.
2004: 0 - Spud's last year
2005: 6 - Plough's first year
2006: 4
2007: 3
2008: 10* (from 17 games)
The AFL’s complete century scorers’ list for 2008 is:
13 – Geelong, Western Bulldogs
11 – Hawthorn
10 – Richmond
9 – Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood
8 – Sydney
7 – Essendon, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide
6 – Adelaide, St Kilda
5 – Fremantle
2 – West Coast
1 – Melbourne
Excellent, right behind the top 3 teams in the competition. :thumbsup :clapping
Now all we need is for our inexperienced, young defence to further mature, which will come, to stop the leakage at that end and we're on the right track. :cheers
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I think the defence is doing a pretty good job under immense pressure.
It's the midfield that needs to give them a hand stopping the quick entry that's impossible to beat as a defender
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as l said before our team needs to score 18-20 goals min to win games, 16 goals just aint enough in modern day football
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I think the defence is doing a pretty good job under immense pressure.
It's the midfield that needs to give them a hand stopping the quick entry that's impossible to beat as a defender
I do agree for a young backline they're doing a terrific job for where they are in their development.
We do need a bit more defensive intensity from the mids but I see that rising as well. :thumbsup
They'll get there, but with such a young backline they're going to make mistakes, just as long as they all learn from it. :thumbsup
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I think the defence is doing a pretty good job under immense pressure.
It's the midfield that needs to give them a hand stopping the quick entry that's impossible to beat as a defender
Agree infamy. It's when we've been smashed out of the centre or turnover the footy something chronically through dumb play that we leak like a seive. Did it again against Brisbane in the first 15 minutes of the 3rd quarter, and the Bombers, and the Dees, and Adelaide, and Geelong :P. The problem in those bad quarters occurs at the centre bounces and in the midfield. Hopefully with more maturity and more depth in the next few years as others come through like Connors we can get a more even and consistent effort out of our midfield.
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We ended up with 12 times reaching 16 goals this year and when we scored 100 points or more this year we had a 11-1-1 record. 5th highest scoring team too. Need to work on our defensive efforts all over the park though. Every time we kept the opposition to below 100 we won but we only did that 8 times.
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I don't remember us getting taken apart by a tall forward all year though
With a stronger midfield we will reduce the goals kicked by opposition midfielders
Plus we need a small defender who can stop us getting cut up by the goal sneaks
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as l said before our team needs to score 18-20 goals min to win games, 16 goals just aint enough in modern day football
This years top 4 Average goals per game
Geelong 17.8
Hawks 16.1
Bulldogs 16.9
Saints 14.0
Tigers 15.0
Yep right again Mr expert
Thinking Infamy is a bit closer the mark.
Cogs to come back and Cothin with a preseason should help in the middle department.
Small defender would be good too, rodents like Milne allways have a field day on us ....
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Re: 16 goals a game
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2006, 06:13:51 pm »
Going by our list of goalkickers this year we still don't get enough goals out of our midfielders and we're still heavily reliant on Richo. We also haven't yet cracked the ton this year and have the second lowest "for" tally. On the positive side Pettifer is continuing on from last year and Paddy, Simmo and Tivs are chipping in up forward.
1. Matthew Richardson 12
2. Kayne Pettifer 7
3. Patrick Bowden 7
4. Troy Simmonds 5
5. Greg Tivendale 4
6. Daniel Jackson 4
7. Chris Hyde 3
8. Greg Stafford 3
9. Shane Tuck 3
10. Andrew Krakouer 2
11. Brett Deledio 2
12. Richard Tambling 2
13. Kane Johnson 2
14. Nathan Foley 1
15. Nathan Brown 1
Its good than in 2 years our forward line now does not have Richo. IMO he needs to play the rest of his carrer in is floating wing role and allow the forward line to develop. He is still prone to kicking bags of goals when playing in midfield and resting stuff.
We kicked some large scores this year, and fond some new goal kickers.
Without a star young forward we are going to have to kick goals from blokes like: Brown, Reiwoldt, Morton, Connors. And goal kicking midfeilders: Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Edwards, Whte etc.
Collard isabit of a wildcard.