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Wallace: We're not going to panic
03 April 2006 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett
FEWER than 15 hours after their mauling by the Bulldogs, Richmond coach Terry Wallace forced players to relive the debacle on DVD in a bid to bolster their psyche before playing St Kilda on Friday.
Wallace brought forward to Saturday the team's debrief in the belief the experience had to be immediately addressed in order to stem more psychological damage.
The match review had been scheduled for today.
The 115-point loss to the Bulldogs left the football world convinced the Tigers would be 0-4, with St Kilda (Telstra Dome), West Coast (Subiaco) and Brisbane (Gabba) their next three opponents.
But Wallace said no one at his club was considering the worst.
"The last thing we are going to be doing is panic," Wallace said last night.
After match rehabilitation commitments on Saturday, players were ordered to sit through the Bulldogs match. "Obviously the magnitude of the loss and people stewing over it, we decided it was best we deal with it yesterday," Wallace said.
"We sat through most of the second half and some of the first half, where we had no issue as we were competitive.
"The second half was non-competitive. What I said to the players was I didn't want to sit there with a big stick and for it to be me standing up the front like a school teacher and berating them.
"What I wanted it to be was an open forum, for blokes to put up their own hands and say, `Gee, my effort wasn't good there' and for blokes to say to other blokes, `Your effort there wasn't good enough'.
"It was an open forum and discussion about how we went about it and it finished off at lunch time yesterday.
"It wasn't an emergency meeting by any stretch, they were coming in anyway. But doing what we did allowed us to focus on St Kilda from Monday morning."
Wallace wouldn't divulge plans to drag Richmond out of the disastrous start to 2006.
He refrained from responding to Bulldog Ryan Griffen's observations that Tiger players "gave up" and were "arguing between each other".
The Tigers last year turned around a 62-point loss to Geelong in Round 1 by winning seven of the next eight games. "I'm not prepared to go in to that (how to get them out of the disastrous start)," he said.
"We have done our discussions internally and that is where they need to remain.
"You only have to go back 12 months to know it can change pretty quickly. That's not saying it will, but it certainly can.
"Last year I got quoted as saying (after Round 1) we should have spent all our time down the pub. I don't know where we should have been this time around."
Wallace isn't daunted by coming opponents.
"Absolutely not, you play every side in the competition, we just happen to play a couple of them (good sides) straight off the bat," he said.
"You have to play them some time. I don't think it really matters whether they are spread three weeks apart or three together."
Part of his recovery program was to try to convince everyone the hard work of the pre-season would not be wasted by the events of last Friday.
"We were devastated by our performance because the one thing that gets lost when you have a performance like that is how much work everyone has put in," he said.
"The assistant coaches, playing group, everyone, and how much we did over six months.
"Everyone sees that and says, `Gee, you might as well have done nothing, it couldn't have been worse'."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,18688965%255E20322,00.html
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TW and others probably wouldn’t have experienced anything like what often happens at RFC after such a game. It’s not really the sort of thing that people get trained in when they get to an AFL club.
The thing for him, and others, is not to get caught up in the emotion of it all.
All they have to do is just stick to their guns and don’t let their judgement be clouded by all the doom and gloom garbage that generally comes with a Richmond loss. It’s Round 1 of 22 and we all know our list needs lots of work, so why the shock horror?
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Does "we're not going to panic" translate to "there will be no changes" this week.
Has to be.
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Hopefully it means that they don’t make decisions purely as a response to all the hullabaloo that tends to go on right about now.
That’s the mistake others have made in the past, just because they let themselves be dictated to by everything else going on around them, rather than trusting their own judgement.
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Definitely have to be strong i agree, and not make hasty judgments based on what's in the paper, on talkback or on these boards.
I just want them to make decisions based on the game last week - there's a lot for them to ponder on that, let alone what we're saying.
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Does "we're not going to panic" translate to "there will be no changes" this week.
Has to be.
on the other hand, play the exact same team and give them a chance to redeem themselves but let them know that anyone who doesnt get out there on friday and show some character then its make way for someone else who wants to the week after.
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The only argument for no change is that we had so many going for a free ride, be hard to pick one from the next.
Yep, probably after St Kilda will give us an idea who listened to Wallace this week and who is prepared to make reparation for last Friday.
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Does "we're not going to panic" translate to "there will be no changes" this week.
Has to be.
I think you're right Moi. Wallace gave them to round 8 last year didn't he after the Geelong loss.
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TW and others probably wouldn’t have experienced anything like what often happens at RFC after such a game. It’s not really the sort of thing that people get trained in when they get to an AFL club.
The thing for him, and others, is not to get caught up in the emotion of it all.
All they have to do is just stick to their guns and don’t let their judgement be clouded by all the doom and gloom garbage that generally comes with a Richmond loss. It’s Round 1 of 22 and we all know our list needs lots of work, so why the shock horror?
The shock and horror is because we are supposed to be competitive against good teams. Not smashed by them.
People dont get trained in this at other AFL clubs because their supporters havent put up with it for 24 years.
Its not Round 1 with 22 games to go. Its a demonstration of how far the Dogs have come with Eade and how far back we are compared to them. You may recall, that both coaching appointments were made in the same year, and the clubs could not be any further apart
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
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LMAO.
Panic comes from fear and they were full of it so how can they not panic?
That's what they do best.
Pack of Panicing poonces
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
Despite struggling under rhode they had a far stronger list than us at the end of 2004 so Eade had it a lot easier than Wallace
Eade took over a list down on confidence but young , full of talent and ready to peak..
Wallace took over a list down on confidence , old and lacking talent..
Eade may be a better coach than TW but you cannot really draw that conclusion given the clubs respective lists atm..
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I reckon theres no need to panic, but the players are going to need a lesson in not giving up, and how to hit a target lol :lol
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poo there is no need to panic, its the first game.
all i want and expect now is when we play them again, i dont care if we win or lose, i just wanna see ryan griffens head decapitated! bloody hell he is still in his footy nappy and he has that cheek. lets all pray he gets run over, or loses a leg somewhere, hate him with a passion already.
at least we have polo, polo at junior level always beat griffen and has his measure, lets hope come the the time, polo is there to blanket that south aussie fag!
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
Despite struggling under rhode they had a far stronger list than us at the end of 2004 so Eade had it a lot easier than Wallace
Eade took over a list down on confidence but young , full of talent and ready to peak..
Wallace took over a list down on confidence , old and lacking talent..
Eade may be a better coach than TW but you cannot really draw that conclusion given the clubs respective lists atm..
Not talking just about the list Harry.
Bulldogs is always the last job any coach wants. They're always the toughest gig in the comp. Which is why eade preferred us, and why Wallace left them.
Having good players is a great thing to have, but thats not half the job. Making them perform is what matters, just ask Rohdes.
Full credit where its due. Eade is demonstrating progress at the dogs. He doesnt have our resources, he's always going to lose players like Browny to bigger clubs, and he's limited in attracting established players to the club.
He's got a tougher job than Wallace
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
Despite struggling under rhode they had a far stronger list than us at the end of 2004 so Eade had it a lot easier than Wallace
Eade took over a list down on confidence but young , full of talent and ready to peak..
Wallace took over a list down on confidence , old and lacking talent..
Eade may be a better coach than TW but you cannot really draw that conclusion given the clubs respective lists atm..
Not talking just about the list Harry.
Bulldogs is always the last job any coach wants. They're always the toughest gig in the comp. Which is why eade preferred us, and why Wallace left them.
Having good players is a great thing to have, but thats not half the job. Making them perform is what matters, just ask Rohdes.
Full credit where its due. Eade is demonstrating progress at the dogs. He doesnt have our resources, he's always going to lose players like Browny to bigger clubs, and he's limited in attracting established players to the club.
He's got a tougher job than Wallace
In the longer term possibly in terms of resources 1980 although the Western Oval is getting that $20 million revamp. But as of 2005-07 their list is far superior to ours so Eade is more likely to achieve success (finals) than Wallace will IMO. Agree with what HB said about our list being old and lacking talent thanks to Spud.
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TW and others probably wouldn’t have experienced anything like what often happens at RFC after such a game. It’s not really the sort of thing that people get trained in when they get to an AFL club.
The thing for him, and others, is not to get caught up in the emotion of it all.
All they have to do is just stick to their guns and don’t let their judgement be clouded by all the doom and gloom garbage that generally comes with a Richmond loss. It’s Round 1 of 22 and we all know our list needs lots of work, so why the shock horror?
The shock and horror is because we are supposed to be competitive against good teams. Not smashed by them.
People dont get trained in this at other AFL clubs because their supporters havent put up with it for 24 years.
Its not Round 1 with 22 games to go. Its a demonstration of how far the Dogs have come with Eade and how far back we are compared to them. You may recall, that both coaching appointments were made in the same year, and the clubs could not be any further apart
As far as I’m concerned it’s round 1. 21 to go. And as others have said, if you look at the lists of both teams, they could not be any further apart if they wanted to be.
We’ve spent the pre season, and even some of the previous 2 seasons discussing how long it’s going to take for us to become a good team.
We’re probably looking at somewhere around 2009 to 2011, before we could hope to be serious contenders. To get to that point, there will be lots of highs and lows, ups and downs and even non-competitive efforts. It happens to all developing teams. And because of our list, we’re starting from a long way behind most other clubs, including the Bulldogs.
The improvement of most teams comes from their mid range players who are in the 21-25 age bracket. Look at the Bulldogs list and see if that isn’t where their improvement has come from. Where are all the players on our list in that age bracket?
The majority of our players are under 21, so it will take at least another 3 to 5 years before our list gets to where the Bulldogs list is at now.
I’m not seeing anything I haven’t seen before. To me, it’s just Richmond, and it’s going to take TW’s full 5 years to get us to the level we need to be at, and before we can expect to see a 'new' Richmond.
But even knowing our list, people are expecting something from Richmond that probably some of us have rarely ever seen. We can expect competitive efforts, but what happens if we don’t get them? How about we try something we haven’t done before, which is to persist and keep turning over the list until things improve? That’s the way most successful clubs work things.
Teams like Geelong and St. Kilda have been building for 5 years, and maybe more. Through that time, they’ve been pillaried from here to there and back again, because people haven’t rated them, and some still don’t. Yet people want a Richmond list, that’s dysfunctional, at best, to be able to do what those teams do now, which is to be competitive, regardless of the opposition, even though it’s taken those teams years to get to that level.
I’m sorry, but after all the realisations about where the list is at and all the other discussions we’ve had on this board, I just don’t get why people are outraged. Like everyone else, I’m hurt, disappointed, embarrassed and all the rest of it, but my understanding is that we’re a long way behind a lot of other clubs, in many respects. I’m not expecting anything from this season, except that players learn and become better footballers. Hopefully that’s not beyond some of them.
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
Despite struggling under rhode they had a far stronger list than us at the end of 2004 so Eade had it a lot easier than Wallace
Eade took over a list down on confidence but young , full of talent and ready to peak..
Wallace took over a list down on confidence , old and lacking talent..
Eade may be a better coach than TW but you cannot really draw that conclusion given the clubs respective lists atm..
Not talking just about the list Harry.
Bulldogs is always the last job any coach wants. They're always the toughest gig in the comp. Which is why eade preferred us, and why Wallace left them.
Having good players is a great thing to have, but thats not half the job. Making them perform is what matters, just ask Rohdes.
Full credit where its due. Eade is demonstrating progress at the dogs. He doesnt have our resources, he's always going to lose players like Browny to bigger clubs, and he's limited in attracting established players to the club.
He's got a tougher job than Wallace
In the longer term possibly in terms of resources 1980 although the Western Oval is getting that $20 million revamp. But as of 2005-07 their list is far superior to ours so Eade is more likely to achieve success (finals) than Wallace will IMO. Agree with what HB said about our list being old and lacking talent thanks to Spud.
Remind me MT.
Terry Wallace quit the Dogs because.......?
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The dogs list was and is at least 3-5 years ahead of ours. They still lack talls due to injuries but they have more quality midfield depth than arguably anyone else in the League. At least 14 players if not more who are hitting or in their prime. I'm not excusing Friday night because we simply rolled over but Wallace will need the whole 5 years of his contract just to get our playing list back into some balance when our teens reach their early 20s like the doggies have now. Eade's job is alot easier than Wallace's.
Sorry to disagree with you MT, but they were a club in disarray when Rohde got the ars. No way they were 5 years ahead of us, and they havent recruited the likes of Deledio since. Eade's job will never be easier because they dont have the resources we have, which is why we get the likes of Wallace and Browny to begin with.
It may very well be as simple as Eade proving to be a better coach than Wallace.
Despite struggling under rhode they had a far stronger list than us at the end of 2004 so Eade had it a lot easier than Wallace
Eade took over a list down on confidence but young , full of talent and ready to peak..
Wallace took over a list down on confidence , old and lacking talent..
Eade may be a better coach than TW but you cannot really draw that conclusion given the clubs respective lists atm..
Not talking just about the list Harry.
Bulldogs is always the last job any coach wants. They're always the toughest gig in the comp. Which is why eade preferred us, and why Wallace left them.
Having good players is a great thing to have, but thats not half the job. Making them perform is what matters, just ask Rohdes.
Full credit where its due. Eade is demonstrating progress at the dogs. He doesnt have our resources, he's always going to lose players like Browny to bigger clubs, and he's limited in attracting established players to the club.
He's got a tougher job than Wallace
In the longer term possibly in terms of resources 1980 although the Western Oval is getting that $20 million revamp. But as of 2005-07 their list is far superior to ours so Eade is more likely to achieve success (finals) than Wallace will IMO. Agree with what HB said about our list being old and lacking talent thanks to Spud.
Remind me MT.
Terry Wallace quit the Dogs because.......?
Depends on who you ask ;) but IIRC Wallace said he left because the dogs were making cuts that he felt would make his job more difficult. Given that the dogs got Rohde cheap as coach for 2 years and with AFL handouts were able to keep their list together and by finishing bottom they picked up the ready made Cooney. So their list improved meanwhile ours was being decimated by Spud's recycled recruiting of duds. By the end of 2004 when Eade took over their list was on the rise with a talented young core in their early 20s while ours needed and still needs to be rebuilt basically from scratch. We have the most teenagers on our list in the AFL (16 from memory).