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Footy PC police ban fan for ‘green maggot’ gibe
PETER ROLFE,
Herald Sun
31 May 2019
Footy fans have been put on notice after a Richmond cheer squad member was given a three-game ban for calling an umpire a “green maggot’’.
Tigers’ cheer squad chiefs have now sent a memo to members, warning of bans or other disciplinary action if they criticise umpires or players.
“We ask that cheer squad members refrain from making any derogatory comments towards anyone, be it on field or off,’’ the memo said.
“Doing so may result in disciplinary action being taken by the cheer squad, the club or the AFL.’’
The banned fan has claimed he was threatened with a 12- month ban for yelling: “Be consistent, you green maggot!’’
The cheer squad memo says the fan’s comment was found “offensive and bullying”.
After “a lot of negotiations with the league’’ and Richmond, it said the penalty was reduced from a potential year to three matches.
“The football field is the umpire’s place of work and it is seen that any abuse directed towards them or any on-field official is deemed as workplace bullying and will not be tolerated,’’ the memo said.
AFL Fans’ Association vice- president and Richmond cheer squad member Cheryl Critchley said a year-long ban for such a comment would be “cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer’’.
“Some cheer squad members are now concerned they are being punished for being passionate,’’ she said.
AFL spokesman Jay Allen said the league asked clubs to address vilification complaints.
“Cheer squads are a key part of every club,’’ he said.
“Clubs manage the relationship with their cheer squads directly, and any stuff to the AFL is directed on to the club. All fans can and should passionately support their team and the game, but there are standards on language, behaviour and conduct for the enjoyment of all supporters.”
Richmond confirmed banning the fan for three games, but said it was not aware of any threat to suspend him for a year. It will hold a “cultural awareness’’ session for supporters in the wake of the banning.
Carlton was sent a “please explain’’ from the AFL after members of its cheer squad chanted
“umpire, you’re a w**ker” in its round eight loss to Collingwood.
Ms Critchley said the AFL Fans’ Association rejected violent, racist, sexist, homophobic and similar acts, but fans deserved to wear their hearts on their sleeves.
“Rather than target its most dedicated diehards for temporary brain fades, the AFL should step up its efforts to educate all supporters about what is and isn’t appropriate,’’ she said.
“What happens when Richmond cheer squad starts its ‘Bulls---’ chant after a controversial free kick? Will the whole group be kicked out?”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/footys-fun-police-ban-richmond-fan-for-green-maggot-comment/news-story/c032caf5c3762c39ad43737c90b70451
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Weak as pee Richmond and AFL.
Go stuff yourselves.
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"Cultural awareness session"...stuff me drunk...struggle sessions for footy fans.... :facepalm
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probably dobbed in by a 65 type
an awareness session now. FMD what a joke
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This country is stuffed
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Opposition players have been boo’d and abused 125 years. Umpires have been abused for the same amount of time. It goes with the job, players expect it and deal with it. If the umpires are too sensitive about then the AFL need a new recruitment team cause they attracting the wrong people.
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Crap like this makes me not bother with the game anymore they treat us fans as kid. Pathetic the alf and the umpires and our club for standing for this garbage.
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Who voted for the Afl to become our morality and civil liberties restrictions enforcement. The AFL think they are some form of government instead of just administration.
Maybe club members should get a vote on who forms the next Dictatorship
It's gone from bad to worse since Hocking was enforced upon us
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Surely this is a wind up!
Banded for 3 weeks for calling an umpire a maggot!!
Since when is this not acceptable? It’s just a bit of harmless fun and it could be a hell of a lot worse.
This country has gone mad.
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I'm a cheer squad member and the memo/message was posted on there stuff page. The ban was for only for sitting in the cheers squad. I still think that it to harsh!
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I'm a cheer squad member and the memo/message was posted on there stuff page. The ban was for only l for sitting in the cheers squad. I still think that it to harsh!
? Repeat that again
I heard that it was the club not the AFL who are enforcing this rubbish
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The massage has been edited though I definitely recall reading that the ban was only for the cheer squad. Pretty much my only involvement with the cheer squad is sitting in the area on game days. I shouldn't be posting it but here in the cheer squad message. I'm sure it will be deleted soon.
*PLEASE, NO COMMENTING, SHARING OR TAGGING ON THIS POST **This post was edited and corrected We are writing this post to advise of an incident that occurred a few weeks ago at the Richmond v Melbourne match, the outcome and to advise expectations of cheer squad members in the future. You may or may not be aware that member was escorted from the ground during the last quarter of the ANZAC eve match accused of making a homophobic remark towards the umpire. Upon the ensuing conversation with police and league officials it was determined that the remark was not that as initially reported by security but was “Be consistent you green ma……”. This was deemed by the league to be offensive and bullying. A sanction has been applied the member. The football field is the Umpires place of work and it is seen that any abuse directed towards them or any on field official is deemed at work place bullying and will not be tolerated. You may have also seen in the media over the last couple of days that the Carlton football club has been asked for a please explain over their cheer squad chanting “Umpire is a wa……”, the outcome of this investigation is still to be determined. With this in mind we ask that cheer squad members refrain from making any derogatory comments towards anyone by it on field or off. Doing so may result in disciplinary action being taken by the Cheer Squad, Club or AFL. The Club will be holding a cultural awareness session for the Cheer Squad to provide perspective and information on this matter. All Cheer Squad members are welcome to attend, details to come shortly. We would also like to remind everyone of our Cheer Squad Code of Conduct, it must be followed at all times. CODE OF CONDUCT As a member of the Official Richmond Cheer Squad you will be expected to behave in a manner that does not bring the Cheer Squad or the Richmond Football Club into disrepute. As such the following Code of Conduct shall apply to all Cheer Squad members, any breach of this code may result the offending Cheer Squad member being asked to leave the Cheer Squad area and disciplinary action (which may include expulsion from the Cheer Squad) being taken against the offending Cheer Squad member. As a member of the Official Richmond Cheer Squad you shall; · Be respectful of others within and around the Cheer Squad · Be mindful of language used in and around the Cheer Squad area and not use any obscene language. The Club also stipulates there will be NO “Four letter word” chants or abuse of Richmond players. · The Official Richmond Cheer Squad (ORCS) area is a DRY AREA and no alcohol is permitted in this area. Members entering the Cheer Squad area while intoxicated will be asked to leave. This includes the Cheer Squad area at interstate venues (an AFL rule). · No physical violence towards others · Wearing of club colours within the Cheer Squad area. You will be asked to leave the Cheer Squad area if wearing colours of the opposition · Join in Cheer Squad chants and support of the club, this includes using Cheer Squad equipment such as floggers, flags, patties etc.….When allocating ticketing or seats within the Cheer Squad area preference will be given to members who participate in chants and use equipment. · We will support the team and the players, No abuse is to be directed towards players · Be mindful and respectful when using Social media, bringing the club or Cheer Squad into disrepute or the abuse of players, club or other Cheer Squad members will not be tolerated. This includes both making a post or responding to one made by another person (If asked to remove a post or photo please adhere to the request) Should Cheer Squad members fail to leave the Cheer Squad area when requested, security may be called to remove the Cheer Squad member from the area PLEASE, NO COMMENTING, SHARING OR TAGGING ON THIS POST, ALL COMMENTS AND TAGS WILL BE DELETED AND ANYONE MAKING ANY INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS WILL BE DEALT WITH.
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I have been an country umpire for 30 years and over the years I have copped abuse in many forms.
It is an occupation for the thick skinned and mentaly tough just as the players who play the game have to be physically and mentally tough.
If the AFL umpires are mentally fragile and can't stand being called a green maggot then they are in the wrong profession.
Any attempt to P.C. sanitize our game will result in the fans not attending games.
Vilifying anyone for their race, sex, religion or politicial affiliation is not on and we all should condemn anyone involved.
To call an umpire a green maggot is a way to vent your frustration at his decision and I personally don't have an issue with it.
Today I had two spectators on different occasions give me a gobfull when I was near the boundary so I just smiled and gave them a quick wave as I moved on.
On both occasions both spectators gave up the abuse when they realized I wasn't upset but instead found their abuse amusing.
Where the abuse is not on is in junior matches where young umpires are plying their trade, left unchecked can result in young umpires walking away from the game.
There are two main pieces of our game
1 The players
2 The supporters
Sorry Gill as much as you overpaid and under worked administrators think how you are important you are the game would still go on if you all quit tomorrow.
But if the players quit or the supporters stopped going to or watching the matches the game would grind to a halt.( no supporters =no sponsors and no advertisers and no big payday for players )
Stop trying to turn the Football fans into Polo fans Gill.
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Another was asked to leave last night 🤦♂️
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Welcome RichmondTiger
You need to add a link showing where your post came from
It clearly says it cannot be shared...
Our site rules are very clear
You post something from another site or source we require a proper link to reference back to
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Sharing on FB it would mean, not in general
Clearly from the Richmond CS FB page or something
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Gill adamant 'PCness' won't dictate what fans can say
AFL.com.au
Dinny Navaratnam
Jun 1, 2019 6:36PM
AFL BOSS Gillon McLachlan is adamant 'political correctness' will not dictate what spectators can say during games.
A Richmond cheer squad member was banned for three games, by the Tigers' cheer squad rather than the AFL, for a comment made to an umpire.
McLachlan was speaking in China on Saturday while at the Shanghai Cup, a tournament featuring players from across Asia, with people from Singapore, Japan, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines taking part, along with the Chinese.
"Everyone needs to be able to come to the football and feel it's an inclusive environment, but the concept of 'PCness' and everything else is rubbish," McLachlan said.
"People make complaints is generally referred to the club and it's dealt with, and that's what's happened here.
"As I understand it, it was dealt with by the cheer squad itself and there's things like that happening all of the time every week."
"The ground looks amazing. It's sold out. The weather looks OK, so it'll be a good day tomorrow and hopefully be a great game," McLachlan said.
Whether a mid-season trade period comes in next year is up in the air.
"I don't know about that. People have different views. We'll have a look at this, talk to the team and there'll be a recommendation. List flexibility gives people the opportunity to improve, make decisions and to get better faster," McLachlan said.
The CEO put his recruiting hat on while at the Shanghai Cup and spotted two who caught his eye.
"I don’t know how old he is but there’s a guy from the Shanghai Tigers who is a serious player and apparently played for North Adelaide, and there was a centre half-forward from the Philippines who looked pretty good too," McLachlan said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-01/gill-adamant-pcness-wont-dictate-what-fans-can-say
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Whateley’s message to AFL regarding fan behaviour
By SEN
1 June 2019
SEN’s chief sports broadcaster Gerard Whateley has called for greater transparency from the AFL regarding fan behaviour and treatment towards umpires.
It comes after a member of Richmond’s cheer squad was handed a three-match ban for calling an umpire a “green maggot”.
Amid the league’s crack down on abusive language, Whateley believes suspending fans will only fuel hostility among patrons attending AFL matches.
“If we’re seriously going to have the ‘let’s improve attitudes towards umpires’, bring us on the journey. Whether it’s the AFL, whether it’s the clubs, bring us all on the journey," Whateley told SEN’s Crunch Time.
“Picking off a member of the cheer squad in the circumstances being told, that doesn’t help anyone … all that does is build resentment.
“If that’s what you want, give people a chance. Pinging blokes for three weeks for calling an umpire a ‘green maggot’ … I don’t know where that leaves us.”
The AFL recently sent Carlton a “please explain” after members of its cheer squad called an umpire a “w###er”.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/06/01/whateley's-message-to-afl-regarding-fan-behaviour/
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Remember when bay 13 started the chant about Richard Hadlee? Is that allowed to happen these days?
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As a sign of solidarity, I for one, will continue to abuse umpires for the remainder of the season.
And because they're biased and putrid.
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Remember when bay 13 started the chant about Richard Hadlee? Is that allowed to happen these days?
bay 13 were the best days and one il always remember growing up.
I have recently sat in there for a test match with he barmy army next bay over and it was still okay, but nothing like the good old days
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Gill adamant 'PCness' won't dictate what fans can say
AFL.com.au
Dinny Navaratnam
Jun 1, 2019 6:36PM
AFL BOSS Gillon McLachlan is adamant 'political correctness' will not dictate what spectators can say during games.
A Richmond cheer squad member was banned for three games, by the Tigers' cheer squad rather than the AFL, for a comment made to an umpire.
McLachlan was speaking in China on Saturday while at the Shanghai Cup, a tournament featuring players from across Asia, with people from Singapore, Japan, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines taking part, along with the Chinese.
"Everyone needs to be able to come to the football and feel it's an inclusive environment, but the concept of 'PCness' and everything else is rubbish," McLachlan said.
"People make complaints is generally referred to the club and it's dealt with, and that's what's happened here.
"As I understand it, it was dealt with by the cheer squad itself and there's things like that happening all of the time every week."
"The ground looks amazing. It's sold out. The weather looks OK, so it'll be a good day tomorrow and hopefully be a great game," McLachlan said.
Whether a mid-season trade period comes in next year is up in the air.
"I don't know about that. People have different views. We'll have a look at this, talk to the team and there'll be a recommendation. List flexibility gives people the opportunity to improve, make decisions and to get better faster," McLachlan said.
The CEO put his recruiting hat on while at the Shanghai Cup and spotted two who caught his eye.
"I don’t know how old he is but there’s a guy from the Shanghai Tigers who is a serious player and apparently played for North Adelaide, and there was a centre half-forward from the Philippines who looked pretty good too," McLachlan said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-01/gill-adamant-pcness-wont-dictate-what-fans-can-say
Talk is cheap Gill as it was the AFL who sent Carlton a please explain over the w####r call to an umpire.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/COYEmta7yJc/hqdefault.jpg)
Chairman Gil say..... :shh
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Off to the gulag with you who do not think party correct thoughts.
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it sounds it was our club who initiated the ban as i heard elsewhere
Poor form benny and peggy sue
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This whole things makes little sense.
AFL says it's all been done by the club
Club says they worked with AFL to down grade the penalty
Which is it?
I smell a rat
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65?
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The RFC should not be involved in banning or suspenfing members for abusing umpires. We have been screwed by the umpires for years. They deserve everything they cop.
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We have been screwed by the umpires for years. They deserve everything they cop.
Should be our membership slogan.... :shh
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From Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
8. THE GREEN MAGGOT
The AFL says it was Richmond’s decision to suspend the fan for calling an umpire a green maggot.
“It was referred back to the club,’’ AFL boss Gillon McLachlan said from China.
“As I understand it, the club cheer squad itself dealt with the issue internally.’’
Well, that’s not quite right. The Tackle understands the AFL told Richmond it had better sanction the person and, if it wasn’t heavy enough, the AFL would come over the top.
The wider issue is: Where does it stop? Does any supporter abuse or swearing lead to bans? What a strange world we live in.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-11/news-story/7ec315267ecb628936e3dbd78b7d4f6a
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The AFL is now going to places that will inthe end impact on how many people go to games. Their pc stuff has gone overboard and it will turn off tens of thousands of fans who go to the footy. They should be careful... the AFL cant afford to lose supporters to soccer or rugby league
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The AFL is now going to places that will inthe end impact on how many people go to games. Their pc stuff has gone overboard and it will turn off tens of thousands of fans who go to the footy. They should be careful... the AFL cant afford to lose supporters to soccer or rugby league
RFC Supporters should boycott an away game as a protest against this deprivation for freedom of speech, although one would argue that the AFL would probably prefer us watching it on tv.
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The AFL should be very aware of what happened in the A league when the admin dealt with the RBB and the effect it had on crowds and memberships for the WSW
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From Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
8. THE GREEN MAGGOT
The AFL says it was Richmond’s decision to suspend the fan for calling an umpire a green maggot.
“It was referred back to the club,’’ AFL boss Gillon McLachlan said from China.
“As I understand it, the club cheer squad itself dealt with the issue internally.’’
Well, that’s not quite right. The Tackle understands the AFL told Richmond it had better sanction the person and, if it wasn’t heavy enough, the AFL would come over the top.
The wider issue is: Where does it stop? Does any supporter abuse or swearing lead to bans? What a strange world we live in.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-11/news-story/7ec315267ecb628936e3dbd78b7d4f6a
If that is true then we have done well out of this.
Gillon rewards those who cover up his stuff ups.
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If that is true then we have done well out of this.
Gillon rewards those who cover up his stuff ups.
And I just read that Floss got off....
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How do we vote them out , vote one for Benny
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Honestly why do these guys get let off the hook. If I was as bad at my job or made as many mistakes as these guys did I would be rightly sacked. If a player has a bad game he will cop it from every media person under the sun, in the paper, on the radio, online articles, social media, etc. so why isn’t it the same with umpires or are you only allowed to criticise if you have a degree in journalism or are an ex player?
The state of umpiring is so inconsistently bad it isn’t funny and the afl only have themselves to blame for continuously backing the umpires publicly even when everyone knows they made a mistake.
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:banghead
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Most of my hate at games is directed at umpires because their quality control is non-existent and they are so inconsistent...
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I can't stand it when the non officiating umpire calls a free kick from 30 metres away and the replay proves him wrong :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Caro's view: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/1135532824327405569
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Gillon is weak as pee
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Is green maggot a worse insult than white maggot?
What if he was called a maggot?
What are typical pc insults one can vocals to umpires?
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If the AFL really wanted stop it they should just dress the umpires in black... :shh
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Really! I got edited for saying Geez Geez fmd
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If the umpires were sponsored by a flyspray company would it have been OK?
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Really! I got edited for saying Geez Geez fmd
:snidegrin
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Really! I got edited for saying Geez Geez fmd
And so you should.
Using Geez Geez in place of a profanity is highly offensive to Christians including myself.
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I will keep this brief and refrain from getting personal despite my frustration
I posted this the other week re what some people find offensive others don't
Don't want it have post it again
Thing is...
What one person finds offensive another doesn't ... It's one of the great thing about living in democracy
Example
There's been alot of homophobic slurs that get have been posted on here that I find offensive
But the majority of them don't get removed... Why? Because (1) others don't find them offensive and I have to respect that and (2) sometimes leaving it says more about the person posting...on a number of levels
But can I suggest people take note of it
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Offense is given, not taken.
Cub wasn't trying to offend anyone, IMO
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Offense is given, not taken.
Cub wasn't trying to offend anyone, IMO
Fair enough. I agree that he wasn’t trying to offend me or any Christian as the name of Geez Or Geez Geez is the ONLY worshipped Deity that is used as a profanity in every day colloquialism.
People don’t mean to cause offence and just use the name as how it is commonly referred and today it’s just like every other watered down profanity or even used to display shock or disgust.
I understand all that.
The facts are that I as a Christian am extremely offended by the use of the name of my Lord God in this way.
Islamist use the name of the prophet Muhammad in reverence so much so when they say his name they also say a blessing to him. I can only wonder what would the outcome be if the majority of people started to use the name of Muhammad as a profanity.
I realise that people don’t have any religious beliefs and don’t consider the name of Geez Geez in any esteem but in this day and age of politically correct language and the call for tolerance of all people especially in regards to race, sexual preference and religious convictions, I too would like to speak against the use of the name of Geez Geez and that the use of His name in this manner would be considered disrespectful and highly offensive to all Christians including me.
Thank you for your understanding in this manner and hopefully for all our sakes, I won’t have to mention it again. :cheers
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According to Mick Warner on Talking Footy tonight.
Members of our cheer squad have spotted AFL 'integrity officers' scouting amongst our supporters waiting to ping Tiger fans yelling out negative comments about the umpires.
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oh ffs are you serious? How about they focus on getting them corrupt pieces of poo to get the get the game right instead of acting like the stuffing STASI??
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Are we living in Nazi Germany? :huh
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According to Mick Warner on Talking Footy tonight.
Members of our cheer squad have spotted AFL 'integrity officers' scouting amongst our supporters waiting to ping Tiger fans yelling out negative comments about the umpires.
Here's the link:
Richmond cheer squad members have reported undercover spotters who are monitoring the behaviour of fans, taking pictures of them and sending them to the AFL's integrity unit if they abuse umpires.
WATCH: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1138021635531796481
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What can we say? Cheer squad reacts to fan ejection
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
June 11, 2019
Richmond’s cheer squad has urged the AFL to issue it with a list of phrases it can use at games after a dramatic escalation in the ejection of fans during matches.
The league will on Tuesday review whether it will take further action against a Carlton fan who called umpire Matthew Nicholls a “bald headed flog” on Saturday.
It comes as the AFL Umpires Association lobbies the league for a competition-wide campaign against umpire abuse.
Nicholls called out the fan, with security guards escorting him to an AFL integrity officer who interviewed him about his conduct.
Richmond cheer squad member Brett Beattie said on Monday the cheer squad had been surrounded by security guards and integrity officers since the Round 5 clash against Hawthorn.
A fan was given a three-week ban for calling an umpire a “green maggot” at that game, with reports three more Tigers fans were ejected the following week against North Melbourne.
It is understood a fan was ejected at that Kangaroos clash after calling an umpire a “dog”.
Beattie said the fans were in the dark about what they were allowed to say in humour, adamant any phrases with racism or abusive language were already off limits.
“We have noticed a massive increase in security around the cheer squad bays the last couple of weeks,” he said.
“There are two guys dressed up like FBI agents from the integrity department and a spotter who points us out to the integrity guys and takes photos and sends it to the club and tries to ban us.
“They are turning fans away. What are we allowed to say? Where is the line? We know we can’t abuse umpires, or use foul language but where is the warning?
“People say it is a family event but it’s not the theatre. If people yell out the wrong thing they get corrected now by the people around them. We had three people taken out of the Richmond-Kangaroos game before quarter time.”
The AFL Umpires Association refused to comment on Monday but has had discussions with the league about how to reduce against umpires.
Up to 50 per cent of umpires at lower leagues walk away from the game, with the game-day atmosphere one of the biggest concerns.
That campaign could involve players, coaches and broadcasters as the league seeks to reduce abuse.
The umpires union has an issue with the amount of replays shown of fans abusing umpires over the fence after contentious decisions, believing it normalises abuse.
The league says it will review the “bald headed flog” comments on Tuesday, having denied it had a part in the banning of the fan involved in the “green maggot” comments.
"The AFL confirms Marvel Stadium security and police evicted a patron during the Carlton v Brisbane Lions match on Saturday afternoon,” it said in a statement.
“At the conclusion of Round 12, the AFL will review all of the available information and security report to assess if any further action should be taken."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-cheer-squad-calls-for-list-of-appropriate-phrases-after-series-of-fan-ejections-for-umpire-abuse/news-story/c423031d6d5d37edc0a4164a51c925aa
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'This isn't the classroom or office': Footy fans want clarity on abuse
Zach Hope
The Age
June 11, 2019
Footy fans are demanding the AFL provide a list of words they can and can't say from behind the fence amid a growing public backlash over recent bans and evictions.
The AFL Fans Association has thrown its weight behind calls from the Richmond cheer squad for clarity about the greying line between age-old, passionate sideline commentary and unacceptable abuse.
It comes as the AFL is set to release its review on Tuesday into the eviction of a fan from Saturday's Carlton versus Brisbane Lions match at Marvel Stadium for supposedly calling an umpire a "bald-headed flog", though there is debate about the actual words used.
AFLFA president Gerry Eeman told The Age it made "real sense" for the AFL to explain to fans what was now considered unacceptable.
"We've been told that there hasn't been any changes by the AFL, but clearly something's shifted," Mr Eeman said.
"We don't condone yelling out abuse, but we think some allowance for footy being an emotional game needs to be made. This isn't the classroom or office, it's a different environment."
One punter has claimed on Twitter that police visited a fan at Monday's Collingwood and Melbourne clash over his "loud support" of a goal.
Another Twitter user claimed four men who "weren't even doing anything" were thrown out near her.
The AFLFA is investigating the veracity of the latest allegations from fans.
The demands for clarity follow a three-match ban handed down to a Richmond cheer squad member for calling an umpire a "green maggot", though the exact nature of these words has also been disputed.
Cartlon's cheer squad was also recently investigated about the banging of a drum. There had been an initial belief that the AFL was investigating comments in which an umpire was labelled a "wanker".
Mr Eeman was not aware of reports in the Herald Sun that three Tigers fans had been booted from the Richmond versus North Melbourne game, one of them for apparently calling an umpire a "dog".
But he was supportive of reports in the same story that Richmond was calling on the AFL to provide an acceptable phrase list.
He said the AFLFA would back them up by contacting the league with its own concerns.
"We were told about someone using the word "flog", though I note there's still debate about what he said, but if you're going to kick people out for words like flog you might have to kick out a couple thousand people each game," he said.
He said the AFLFA did not condone the kind of booing copped each week by Geelong star Gary Ablett, but warned "If you want to guarantee people to boo, then tell them they shouldn't boo".
The calls for clarity and the AFL's review into the "flog" remark comes during an increased push to protect umpires and encourage more into the game.
"It's a really tough job being an umpire," Mr Eeman said. "We get frustrated at them, but it's a really hard job – especially with our game, it's so unique.
"I understand why they want to cut out umpire abuse, but we don't want to break a walnut with a sledgehammer."
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/this-isn-t-the-classroom-or-office-footy-fans-want-clarity-on-abuse-20190610-p51wal.html
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Maybe if Richmond ever won the free kick count there would be less abuse. It's highly suspicious we don't ever win it.
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Yet some thought Andy D was bad. Hahahaha
I always knew this polo flog would make him look like a saint.
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This is what happens when you let a suit run the game.
No feel for the game and what it's built on, us supporters who go week in and week out, spend copious amounts of dollars supporting our club.
We the supporters partially own this game, without us the game wouldn't exist.
It's part of the theatre of game and passionate supporters who support their club.
Like everything that's happening in the world we've become blaise and allowed the likes of Gil and his cohorts ruin the game as we knew it.
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#spygate :shh
Glad we managed to snag another flag just before the game died... :shh :shh
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Maybe we should stage a strike and not attend an away game and watch Gill squirm as he tries to explain to the home team that the 400k they just lost was for the good of the game.
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Maybe we should stage a strike and not attend an away game and watch Gill squirm as he tries to explain to the home team that the 400k they just lost was for the good of the game.
:clapping
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DOne! stuff em, black ball on
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I can’t believe the AFL think they have the right to force their morality onto the community. Has Victoria seems to have become a communist state.
The AFL seem to think they are politicians, how do you get them replaced.
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Facist, Communist, comme ci comme ça
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The only good thing communists ever did was kill nazis and the only good thing nazis ever did was kill communists.... :shh
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If I ever get thrown out of the footy I won’t come back.
If you cannot call an umpire a flog or a green maggot the game has become a joke.
It’s all just part of the game.
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Maybe the maggots are the ones who have come out worst in all of this.... Call the RSPCA.
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The game has degenerated into garbage. I am thankful I got to see another Tigers premiership before I die. I think the game is going down the gurgler though and has been for some time. They keep stuffing around with the rules, moving the goal posts and they cannot even administer the rules consistently from game to game. It is debacle and the punters can see it. The AFL has its head up its arse, and gigantic egos refuse to acknowledge the stuffing cluster they have made of things, and then blame frustrated punters at the game for venting. Seriously, stuff them and don't give them your hard earned til they say sorry and pee their little jumped up jack booted school prefect hall monitors off.
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Another site looks like they are organizing a strike for the St Kilda match. (but still donating to the Maddie Foundation)
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The game has degenerated into garbage. I am thankful I got to see another Tigers premiership before I die. I think the game is going down the gurgler though and has been for some time. They keep stuffing around with the rules, moving the goal posts and they cannot even administer the rules consistently from game to game. It is debacle and the punters can see it. The AFL has its head up its arse, and gigantic egos refuse to acknowledge the stuffing cluster they have made of things, and then blame frustrated punters at the game for venting. Seriously, stuff them and don't give them your hard earned til they say sorry and pee their little jumped up jack booted school prefect hall monitors off.
Agree wholeheartedly.
Going to games now is a royal pain, the queuing, frustration on umpiring decisions, train mayhem, driving mayhem, idiot opposition supporters, overpriced food and beverages.
I used to love going to the footy with the family, now it is a huge meh.
Should change my name to Mr Grumpy🤔
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Only supporter boycotts will see change occur. Our supporters should start botcotting away games in Mrlbourne.
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AFL STATEMENT IN FULL
The AFL has today concluded its investigation into an incident involving an umpire and a patron at the round 12 match between Carlton and the Brisbane Lions at Marvel Stadium on Saturday.
Marvel Stadium security were alerted to a patron who was leaning over the umpire’s race and abusing umpire Mathew Nicholls as he was leaving the ground at halftime.
The patron was spoken to by both Marvel Stadium security and Victoria Police and subsequently removed from the venue for the remainder of the game.
The patron has received a warning and no further action will be taken.
The AFL and our venues want to create a safe and fun environment for all fans to come to and enjoy the football.
For over 100 years, the footy has been a place to come together, barrack, cheer and share in the experience in whichever way you choose.
There has been no directive from the AFL to change this.
The theatre of match day is one of the great sporting experiences, a place to be expressive and passionate about your team and the game, it always has been, it always will be.
In season 2019 there has been no change to the expectations of the behavior of everyone at games.
We want fans to enjoy attending matches and allow other fans around them to do the same.
While barracking and supporting is both strongly encouraged and a vital part of the game, offensive or aggressive behaviour will not be tolerated.
Fans who consume alcohol on a match day are to do so responsibly.
The AFL’s zero tolerance stance on vilification remains.
Stadiums and police across the country have a zero-tolerance for members or supporters that abuse the opposition, umpires and other members and supporters, on grounds of race, religion, gender, disability and sexuality.
Fans who breach the conditions of entry may face consequences.
Anyone involved in football at any level, from the community to the elite should be able to enjoy the game in a safe and inclusive environment.
The AFL’s message to everyone is clear - come to the footy, barrack as loud as you can, enjoy the game and do so in a responsible manner.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-denies-crackdown-on-fan-abuse-as-carlton-member-escapes-punishment/news-story/037d1881b01eeceb678c179f9ee5d52f
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Stuff right off you corrupt corporate polesmokers.... >:(
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I can understand why we shouldn't use disability as a reason to abuse but it's usually the lack of ability when it comes to umpiring that I get upset with....
Does lack of ability equate to a disability when umpires are concerned?
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I can understand why we shouldn't use disability as a reason to abuse but it's usually the lack of ability when it comes to umpiring that I get upset with....
Does lack of ability equate to a disability when umpires are concerned?
The umpire who is really struggling (according to a guy who is an umpire) won’t be dropped.... because she’s a woman!
How is that fair on anyone, particularly her?
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I dont think she does a bad job. Theres a couple male umpires whose performance is very ordinary.
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I can understand why we shouldn't use disability as a reason to abuse but it's usually the lack of ability when it comes to umpiring that I get upset with....
Does lack of ability equate to a disability when umpires are concerned?
The umpire who is really struggling (according to a guy who is an umpire) won’t be dropped.... because she’s a woman!
How is that fair on anyone, particularly her?
If you are talking about Elly G
Hate to break it to you but she was dropped a few weeks back
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Plenty of poo bloke umpires to worry about don't worry about ali G
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Carlton and Richmond stand with Joffa
Emily Benammar
Herald-Sun
3h ago June 13, 2019
Richmond, Collingwood and now Carlton have made known their feelings
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-thursday-june-13-2019/live-coverage/41a4ff73ab1c551dfe66cff433237fe0
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‘Enough is enough’: Meet Trout, the Richmond fanatic joining Joffa’s AFL boycott
MARKO & THE OX
Macquarie Sports
13 June 2019
It’s a truism for any sport: the biggest stakeholders are the fans.
In the case of the AFL, a recent crackdown on fan behaviour places their biggest stakeholder firmly in their sights and it has led to some of the sport’s most vocal supporters threatening a boycott.
Joffa is perhaps the game’s best-known supporter, a Collingwood tragic and a mainstay of the Magpies cheer squad, announced he will not attend another game until the AFL “apologises to all supporters [for] the way we are being treated”
Trout from Woodend is a Richmond Tigers fanatic and the club’s most recognisable supporter, loyal to the Yellow and Black and raised on a diet of late 60s premierships.
The way fans have been treated by the AFL has forced Trout to side with Joffa by refusing to attend games until further notice.
“This is not about Joffa, it’s not about me, it’s about every fan who goes to the game, you make one little mistake and you’re out, you could cop a 12-month ban,” Trout tells Marko and The Ox on Macquarie Sports Radio.
A Carlton fan named ‘Frankie’ (not his real name) was booted from the ground on Saturday after calling the umpire a “bald-headed flog”, while other fans have been spoken to by security for simply cheering too loudly.
Trout says it’s time to take a stand, enough is enough.
“We just want to go to the footy, we just want to enjoy ourselves, we’re passionate people,” he said.
“I’ve been going to the footy for 40 years, I haven’t been chucked out, I haven’t been suspended for doing the wrong thing, so why should I now get in trouble for yelling out ‘bald-flog’?
https://www.sportsradio.com.au/enough-is-enough-meet-trout-the-richmond-fanatic-joining-joffas-afl-boycott/
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It was suggested to me that the state gov is putting pressure on the venues and security to moderate the mob - we may be barking up the wrong tree
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They were told to stop tinkering with the game over and over and now it is a total cluster. It is more akin to rock and roll wrestling with a script and rubbish umpiring to fit the drama. I watch games and I honestly cannot believe that they are being properly administered, not just Richmond games. The decisions are inconsistent not just from game to game. It seems like they change the rules from quarter to quarter, not to mention the double standards I see during the game. It is unmanageable, chaos. The game is not a competition of anything, it is no better than a game of stuffing dice now. People barely keep their poo together driving on our roads, go to the footy to blow some steam and then get that garbage and lose it. I mean hall monitors? Have we had flares or sharpened coins hucked at players like them soccer clowns?
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Marvel Stadium chief executive Michael Green admitted they may have unwittingly intimidated fans.
“We don’t want our fans to feel intimidated by security,’’ he said on 3AW.
“We actually want them to feel safe and secure, so it’s something that we will be reviewing to make sure that we get that balance right.
“Clearly, from (the stuff) we’ve taken that too far.’’
Mr Green said the venue would review its security arrangements in response to complaints from fans, but Behavioural Awareness Officers would be used for the rest of the season.
They would also be used at Big Bash cricket and A-League soccer games, the upcoming Australia-Team USA basketball series and concerts such as Metallica and U2 tours this year.
“This is an initiative we will roll out at all events,’’ he said.
Mr Green said the Behavioural Awareness Officers had been “specifically trained to identify suspicious behaviour”.
“Their purpose is basically to interject into any situation before it escalates — it could be violence, it could be racial,’’ he said.
He confirmed the AFL had approved their redeployment from other security roles at the stadium.
“We basically advised them (the AFL) that this was the process we were going to implement and they were supportive,’’ he said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/marvel-stadium-boss-admits-it-went-too-far-with-security/news-story/b41525fa71fa03dc0d00a07f647224fd
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Mr Green said the Behavioural Awareness Officers had been “specifically trained to identify suspicious behaviour”. WTF... sounds like counter terrorism. give me a break!
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well stuff "Marvel" stadium. we can take our behaviour elsewhere and they can "marvel" at their empty seats
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Keep saying it nut until we - the fans - take away the money from the AFL, by way of not watching telecasts nor going to the games, they will continue to treat us this way.
Money is all they care about.
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well stuff "Marvel" stadium. we can take our behaviour elsewhere and they can "marvel" at there empty seats
:clapping
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AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has apologised to fans who have felt intimidated by security guards at matches.
McLachlan met with Marvel Stadium chief Michael Green on Monday to discuss what measures would be adjusted to calm irate fans.
In an exclusive interview with the Herald Sun, Mr McLachlan said: “It hurts me that our fans are feeling intimidated at our games.
“I’m sorry they are feeling intimidated. If people are feeling threatened we obviously will listen ... I’m appalled.
“It hurts me to hear our administration is not looking after the fans.’’
Mr McLachlan will hold a press conference on the issue, which has provoked widespread uproar.
Read more: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-chief-gillon-mclachlan-says-sorry-to-footy-fans-uncomfortable-with-security-presence/news-story/e8af6891eca964c7616ef68cdbb5d341
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yes Gill. Arguably the biggest flog to ever run a sporting competition.
How has the game improved under his watch??
Its no wonder they are seeking our gale out, because this guy cant run a chook raffle let alone the afl.
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The rot started with Vlad....Gilligan was his protégé.....will Gale break the cycle? If one of the changes you're hopng for is an end the AFL thinking it's a vehicle for social change and a disease of the week charity drive rather than just weekend entertaiment for the masses who follow footy as an escape from the problems of the week and the world instead being reminded of and lectured about them then I'm not sure he'll be the bloke considering he's been fairly big on all that at our club...... :shh
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Our club does to much on that stuff. Focus should be on club facilities, driving improvements in the football department and continuing to increase non football related revenue. On that front i was reading some online reviews about aligned leisure. Lots of improvement needed there based on what i read online.
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The rot started with Vlad....Gilligan was his protégé.....will Gale break the cycle? If one of the changes you're hopng for is an end the AFL thinking it's a vehicle for social change and a disease of the week charity drive rather than just weekend entertaiment for the masses who follow footy as an escape from the problems of the week and the world instead being reminded of and lectured about them then I'm not sure he'll be the bloke considering he's been fairly big on all that at our club...... :shh
And how much is that driven by the AFL itself in making sure the clubs toe the corporate line??
Maybe we would be doing these things regardless or maybe we are going big to make sure we meet requirements of the politic bureau
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Benny's big on activism and "community engagement" - always has been....don't forget that he also used to be president of the AFLPA... :shh
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Richmond star Alex Rance earlier weighed in on the issue on Halftime believing there is a line where the AFL must not cross to override fan engagement.
“I think the AFL in having such a big influence on week to week events currently, it’s probably something Gil needs to have a look at,” Rance said.
“When the AFL becomes the spotlight, I think that’s when it becomes a bit of an issue and it needs to be addressed – maybe they’re doing too much.
“The fan engagement is a really interesting piece because you don’t want to deter people from coming to the football and being emotional because that what makes the game so great.
“Obviously there’s a line and you have to think about families and things like that too.
“So it’s a tough one to make a call on, but Gil and his team are a smart enough body to work it out.”
https://www.sportsradio.com.au/afl-greats-weigh-in-on-gillon-mclachlan-crowd-action/
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Mick Warner on 3aw claimed the AFL's delayed response to this supporter furore was due to Gill being on holiday in Hawaii and the AFL hiding it from the public until Gill returned to Oz.