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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: taztiger4 on June 27, 2019, 06:24:13 PM
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Higgo, Garthy & Balta dropped
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In: Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards, David Astbury, Jayden Short, Kane Lambert, Shai Bolton, Ivan Soldo
Out: Jack Higgins (omitted), Noah Balta (omitted), Ryan Garthwaite (omitted)
Source: RFC twitter.
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Richmond’s Round 15 squad:
B David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Dylan Grimes
HB Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Sydney Stack
C Kamdyn McIntosh, Dion Prestia, Brandon Ellis
HF Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna, Kane Lambert
F Shane Edwards, Josh Caddy, Tom Lynch
Foll Ivan Soldo , Trent Cotchin , Dustin Martin
I/C Bachar Houli, Jack Graham, Mabior Chol, Patrick Naish, Daniel Butler, Connor Menadue, Shai Bolton, Liam Baker
Richmond will finalise its Round 15 team at 5pm on Friday afternoon.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-06-27/round-15-squad-selection
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St Kilda's team for those interested:
B: Daniel McKenzie Jake Carlisle Shane Savage
HB: Callum Wilkie Josh Battle Hunter Clark
C: Jack Billings Sebastian Ross Dan Hannebery
HF: Nick Hind Josh Bruce Jack Sinclair
F: Jade Gresham Tim Membrey Blake Acres
FOLL: Rowan Marshall Luke Dunstan Jack Steele
I/C: Nick Coffield, Jack Newnes, David Armitage, Ben Long, Ben Paton, Matthew Parker, Doulton Langlands, Sam Rowe
IN: Nick Coffield, Ben Long, Ben Paton, Sam Rowe, Jack Steele
OUT: Dean Kent (injured), Jonathon Marsh (omitted)
https://www.saints.com.au/news/2019-06-27/pepper-money-squad-selection-round-15
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
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Ins for me are cotch astbury and edwards.
glad to see higgins dropped, he'll find some form.
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
I agree with the Balta part and Bolton ,but Garth has been thrown in to the deep to quick for someone limited games because of our injuries rushed early on in the year after limited preseason and been asked to play on monster talls with limited help.
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
I agree with the Balta part and Bolton ,but Garth has been thrown in to the deep to quick for someone limited games because of our injuries rushed early on in the year after limited preseason and been asked to play on monster talls with limited help.
So all those excuses/reasons just confirms you agree he has been completely out of his depth.
Would you have not of dropped him after getting 7 goals 4 kicked on him last game? And 5 odd the previous 2 games before that.
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Higgins needed to be dropped. Hopefully he gains some form in the VFL.
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
I agree with the Balta part and Bolton ,but Garth has been thrown in to the deep to quick for someone limited games because of our injuries rushed early on in the year after limited preseason and been asked to play on monster talls with limited help.
So all those excuses/reasons just confirms you agree he has been completely out of his depth.
Would you have not of dropped him after getting 7 goals 4 kicked on him last game? And 5 odd the previous 2 games before that.
We can’t afford to be selecting players just to get games into them now. If you are underperforming you need to be dropped and both balta and garthwaite were super poor across our three loses along with a lot of their mates to be fair to them. But now with players coming back, you have to be on top of your game to keep your place in the side.
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Has to be the shortest most undersized backline of all time.lucky for us the saints have only named one genuine kpf in Bruce but i bet they bring Sam Rowe into their team and play him fwd. And why wouldnt they after the number of times bigger sized kpfs have got hold of us.
LMFAO at the number of squibs picked in the one team and the team as usual is half full of runts.
It may be good enough to beat the saints but the set up is never going to cut it against the real good sides.
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
I agree with the Balta part and Bolton ,but Garth has been thrown in to the deep to quick for someone limited games because of our injuries rushed early on in the year after limited preseason and been asked to play on monster talls with limited help.
So all those excuses/reasons just confirms you agree he has been completely out of his depth.
Would you have not of dropped him after getting 7 goals 4 kicked on him last game? And 5 odd the previous 2 games before that.
People here expecting a star player over night kid needs time.I don't agree with the bashing a few here have given him for a player played 12 or so games.Garth wasnt responsible for all those goals on him he was changing opponents and a lot he had no chance with the delivery.How about the lack of pressure from the forward line and midfield ball been coming in way to easy.
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Glad Garthwaite has been dropped.
I know we all want him to be good but he ain’t!
I just hope we don’t need to see him again this year.
Baffled why we wouldn’t keep playing Balta- he has shown enough to warrant feeding games into him. His upside is worth the spot in the side. And playing him against some of the crapier clubs like St. Kilda will help with his confidence.
I hope Bolton comes in too. Again his upside is worth his spot in the side.
I agree with the Balta part and Bolton ,but Garth has been thrown in to the deep to quick for someone limited games because of our injuries rushed early on in the year after limited preseason and been asked to play on monster talls with limited help.
So all those excuses/reasons just confirms you agree he has been completely out of his depth.
Would you have not of dropped him after getting 7 goals 4 kicked on him last game? And 5 odd the previous 2 games before that.
We can’t afford to be selecting players just to get games into them now. If you are underperforming you need to be dropped and both balta and garthwaite were super poor across our three loses along with a lot of their mates to be fair to them. But now with players coming back, you have to be on top of your game to keep your place in the side.
No doubt about it mate poor form gets dropped explain how Butler and Broad and Rioli there.I don't think it's clear cut that our players returning is going to mean instant improvement a lot will be under done at the same time.
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Think we’ll see one of if not both of butler and Rioli dropped when the team gets cut tomorrow. In any case both have been dropped this season.
As for broad he did get dropped for poor form and thought hes been better than Garth since coming back.
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How does Ellis keep his spot? Has been even worse than when he first got dropped.... :shh
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Balta has been asked to do some big roles and all over the ground. Not surprising his output has dropped off over the last few games. Sending him back so he can play in one position and re-calibrate
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7 changes as YaBB predicted :cheers.
In: Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards, David Astbury, Jayden Short, Kane Lambert, Shai Bolton, Ivan Soldo
Out: Daniel Butler (7) – omitted, Jack Higgins (13) - omitted, Connor Menadue (37) – omitted, Noah Balta (38) - omitted, Ryan Garthwaite (42) – omitted, Patrick Naish (45) – omitted, Liam Baker (48) - omitted
Source: RFC twitter.
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Richmond's finalised Round 15 team
B David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Dylan Grimes
HB Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Sydney Stack
C Kamdyn McIntosh, Dion Prestia, Jason Castagna
HF Daniel Rioli, Shai Bolton, Kane Lambert
F Shane Edwards, Josh Caddy, Tom Lynch
Foll Ivan Soldo , Trent Cotchin , Dustin Martin
I/C Jayden Short, Jack Graham, Brandon Ellis, Mabior Chol
Emg: Patrick Naish, Liam Baker, Connor Menadue, Dan Butler
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-06-28/round-15-team-announcement
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Richmond's Round 15 team
B David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Dylan Grimes
HB Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Sydney Stack
C Kamdyn McIntosh, Dion Prestia, Jason Castagna
HF Daniel Rioli, Shai Bolton, Kane Lambert
F Shane Edwards, Josh Caddy, Tom Lynch
Foll Ivan Soldo , Trent Cotchin , Dustin Martin
I/C Jayden Short, Jack Graham, Brandon Ellis, Mabior Chol
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Baker is stiff!
Good ins though.
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Will confess I'm staggered Short is coming straight back in
For that type of injury just feel easing back through the VFL is the way to go
Also, lesson learnt don't believe everything you get told by those who should, I've been led up the proverbial garden path with massive red herring :rollin
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For that type of injury just feel easing back through the VFLW is the way to go
Geez, bit harsh having him come through the women’s team isn’t it?
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WP loves sniping about our boys having a run in the VFLW.....:shh
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Baker is stiff!
Good ins though.
Only afforded one crap game whilst others have been afforded half a crap season.... :shh
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Baker is stiff!
Good ins though.
Baker has been head and shoulders better then Rioli this year and yet looks who’s been dropped.
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Rioli's already been dropped this year.... :shh
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Seven changes would normally make me think that a loss is imminent.
But they are great ins.
Will watch with interest.
A must win match if we are to make finals.
:cheers
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Will confess I'm staggered Short is coming straight back in
For that type of injury just feel easing back through the VFLW is the way to go
Also, lesson learnt don't believe everything you get told by those who should, I've been led up the proverbial garden path with massive red herring :rollin
Should have listened to me WP! ;)
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16 premiership players in there :thumbsup
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For that type of injury just feel easing back through the VFLW is the way to go
Geez, bit harsh having him come through the women’s team isn’t it?
Bloody auto correct thingee :banghead
Every time I type VFL on my tablet it now changes it to VFLW
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Will confess I'm staggered Short is coming straight back in
For that type of injury just feel easing back through the VFLW is the way to go
Also, lesson learnt don't believe everything you get told by those who should, I've been led up the proverbial garden path with massive red herring :rollin
Should have listened to me WP! ;)
Shouldn't have listened to the bloke who said he was likely to play VFL this. who I think maybe the same bloke who told you 7 changes :lol
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Rioli's already been dropped this year.... :shh
And it just goes to show you how important going back and earning your spot back is, his form since has been unbelievable.
A great lesson for all the young guys at our club.
Well played Dimma.
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Balta and Baker stiff. Both needed a rest, especially Balta, but you'd think with a week off they'd be OK.
I would have left Soldo and Short out... Keen to see more Chol/Balta combo...
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Balta and Baker stiff. Both needed a rest, especially Balta, but you'd think with a week off they'd be OK.
I would have left Soldo and Short out... Keen to see more Chol/Balta combo...
Saw enough of the Chol /Balta combination against Adelaide 🤦♂️
You will see a lot more of this combination when Western Bulldogs take on RFC VFL on July 6th at Western Oval 👍
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atleast chols still getting a run, showed some signs.
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
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We desperately need an upgrade on broad. I feel like he gets beaten way too often and his switch kicking is often a liability
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Send Broad back to the VFL and reinvent him as a mid.... :shh
..or better yet, just send him back to Perth and reinvent him as Freo player... :shh :shh
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
AT & BT agreeing once again..... :shh
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
AT & BT agreeing once again..... :shh
:lol
Holy shiitake!... What is going on??
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Grimes and Broad aren't key backs. Grimes is suited to a 3rd tall/midsized forward while Broad is a good match-up for the Tom Lynch (Adel version) types that lead up to the wing. In fairness to all our defenders it's been harder for them this year without Rance and especially in the past month with the way our midfield has been smashed in the contests :help. I probably could've got a kick as an Adelaide forward against us last round when the Crouch brothers rack up 80 disposals between them. We're playing too short and been monstered in the air since the North loss. Structurally we should be playing two key defenders.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
Pretty good call there. Stack did a good job on Betts who only got that stuff goal late on him. Although the word out of the Saints is Stack will get Parker.
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Grimes and Broad aren't key backs. Grimes is suited to a 3rd tall/midsized forward while Broad is a good match-up for the Tom Lynch (Adel version) types that lead up to the wing. In fairness to all our defenders it's been harder for them this year without Rance and especially in the past month with the way our midfield has been smashed in the contests :help. I probably could've got a kick as an Adelaide forward against us last round when the Crouch brothers rack up 80 disposals between them. We're playing too short and been monstered in the air since the North loss. Structurally we should be playing two key defenders.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
Pretty good call there. Stack did a good job on Betts who only got that stuff goal late on him. Although the word out of the Saints is Stack will get Parker.
Grimes and Broad may not be known as KPD but Bruce and Membery are hardly KPF.
Do you not think Grimes could beat either of those guys? And an in form
Broad could beat them too.
How big do you think Garthwaite is anyway to be able to play KB? He is smaller the Grimes and the same size as Broad. Just because Garthwaite can only play on the bigger slow forwards doesn’t mean he is more of a KPD than Grimes because he can play on both.
Garthwaite is Ben Darrou with red hair.
Grimes should have played on the best KPF while Astbury has been out. It cost us at least one win and probably even two IMO.
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Grimes and Broad aren't key backs. Grimes is suited to a 3rd tall/midsized forward while Broad is a good match-up for the Tom Lynch (Adel version) types that lead up to the wing. In fairness to all our defenders it's been harder for them this year without Rance and especially in the past month with the way our midfield has been smashed in the contests :help. I probably could've got a kick as an Adelaide forward against us last round when the Crouch brothers rack up 80 disposals between them. We're playing too short and been monstered in the air since the North loss. Structurally we should be playing two key defenders.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
Pretty good call there. Stack did a good job on Betts who only got that stuff goal late on him. Although the word out of the Saints is Stack will get Parker.
Grimes and Broad may not be known as KPD but Bruce and Membery are hardly KPF.
Do you not think Grimes could beat either of those guys? And an in form
Broad could beat them too.
How big do you think Garthwaite is anyway to be able to play KB? He is smaller the Grimes and the same size as Broad. Just because Garthwaite can only play on the bigger slow forwards doesn’t mean he is more of a KPD than Grimes because he can play on both.
Garthwaite is Ben Darrou with red hair.
Grimes should have played on the best KPF while Astbury has been out. It cost us at least one win and probably even two IMO.
If Grimes and Broad could play KPD then Garth wouldn't have been brought in in the first place when Rance went down. Garth is heavier than those two even though he is still young and raw. Structurally it hurts us as every other defender has to move 'up' in the defensive roles. It's not simply just as one-vs-one match-up issue in the modern game.
Bruce is 197cm tall while Membrey plays as a kick and mark forward. I'm not saying they are Lockett and Dunstall but they both burnt us this time two years ago at Docklands. Membrey kicked 5 goals while Bruce had 7 scoring shots (2.5). Never underestimate your opponent especially when we are coming off 3 straight bad losses. We're hardly in any form to look down on them. St Kilda's woes are due to their mids and half-backs not being able to hit the side of a barn. They continually butcher their F50 entries. Pray that continues today and that they don't have a rare day out like they did two years ago or our short/slight defence will be exposed again.
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Grimes and Broad aren't key backs. Grimes is suited to a 3rd tall/midsized forward while Broad is a good match-up for the Tom Lynch (Adel version) types that lead up to the wing. In fairness to all our defenders it's been harder for them this year without Rance and especially in the past month with the way our midfield has been smashed in the contests :help. I probably could've got a kick as an Adelaide forward against us last round when the Crouch brothers rack up 80 disposals between them. We're playing too short and been monstered in the air since the North loss. Structurally we should be playing two key defenders.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
Pretty good call there. Stack did a good job on Betts who only got that stuff goal late on him. Although the word out of the Saints is Stack will get Parker.
Grimes and Broad may not be known as KPD but Bruce and Membery are hardly KPF.
Do you not think Grimes could beat either of those guys? And an in form
Broad could beat them too.
How big do you think Garthwaite is anyway to be able to play KB? He is smaller the Grimes and the same size as Broad. Just because Garthwaite can only play on the bigger slow forwards doesn’t mean he is more of a KPD than Grimes because he can play on both.
Garthwaite is Ben Darrou with red hair.
Grimes should have played on the best KPF while Astbury has been out. It cost us at least one win and probably even two IMO.
If Grimes and Broad could play KPD then Garth wouldn't have been brought in in the first place when Rance went down. Garth is heavier than those two even though he is still young and raw. Structurally it hurts us as every other defender has to move 'up' in the defensive roles. It's not simply just as one-vs-one match-up issue in the modern game.
Bruce is 197cm tall while Membrey plays as a kick and mark forward. I'm not saying they are Lockett and Dunstall but they both burnt us this time two years ago at Docklands. Membrey kicked 5 goals while Bruce had 7 scoring shots (2.5). Never underestimate your opponent especially when we are coming off 3 straight bad losses. We're hardly in any form to look down on them. St Kilda's woes are due to their mids and half-backs not being able to hit the side of a barn. They continually butcher their F50 entries. Pray that continues today and that they don't have a rare day out like they did two years ago or our short/slight defence will be exposed again.
Garthwaite is 1KG heavier than Grimes and 2KG heavier than Broad. Hardly a massive difference. And Garthwaite being younger and less preseasons under his belt means that 2KG means FA!
The main reason Garthwaite was brought in was to get some exposure at AFL level and he has failed at miserably IMO.
Dimma in his wisdom wanted his cake and eat it too not playing Grimes on the best forward. He wanted the luxury of him to play his normal role of playing on a medium or a small.
Grimes couldn’t be more suited to playing on Membrey as like you said he is a lead up mark forward. Grimes is nearly the best defender on a lead in the AFL.
Are you saying Garthwaite should be in the side today after conceding 17 goals in his last 3 games?
Do you know how stupid that sounds considering we have dropped Balta, someone who is bigger, stronger and quicker than Garthwaite who has actually shown he can play at the level.
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Saw enough of the Chol /Balta combination against Adelaide 🤦♂️
You will see a lot more of this combination when Western Bulldogs take on RFC VFL on July 6th at Western Oval 👍
Certainly don't be seeing them as a ruck combo ;D :shh
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I know I'm on the outer here and if we win tomorrow it won't matter, but I'm still surprised we are going so undersized down back. I know Garth's form was poor as our lone key back in recent weeks but with Astbury back he wouldn't have been playing on the opposition's No.1 forward anymore. We now have to rely on Broad or Grimes to match up on one of Bruce or Membrey. Better hope we don't lose the clearances again and that the Saints continue to butcher the ball inside their F50.
The other issue is who plays on Gresham? He usually kicks a bag against us :banghead.
If Grimes and Broad can’t play on Bruce and Membrey then why even have them in the side.
They are perfect match ups.
Having Astbury back doesn’t all of a sudden mean Garthwaite can play on anyone half decent.
Last game he played on both Tex and Jenkins at different times, which he would have done if Astbury was in the side or not, and got his arse handed to him by both.
I know he is still young but he is only a week older than last week and last week showed he is not even close to being AFL standard in any way.
You can’t have 17 odd goals kicked on you in 3 weeks and keep getting games regardless of how tall you are.
Grimes and Broad aren't key backs. Grimes is suited to a 3rd tall/midsized forward while Broad is a good match-up for the Tom Lynch (Adel version) types that lead up to the wing. In fairness to all our defenders it's been harder for them this year without Rance and especially in the past month with the way our midfield has been smashed in the contests :help. I probably could've got a kick as an Adelaide forward against us last round when the Crouch brothers rack up 80 disposals between them. We're playing too short and been monstered in the air since the North loss. Structurally we should be playing two key defenders.
Stack should get first crack at Gresham IMO.
Pretty good call there. Stack did a good job on Betts who only got that stuff goal late on him. Although the word out of the Saints is Stack will get Parker.
Grimes and Broad may not be known as KPD but Bruce and Membery are hardly KPF.
Do you not think Grimes could beat either of those guys? And an in form
Broad could beat them too.
How big do you think Garthwaite is anyway to be able to play KB? He is smaller the Grimes and the same size as Broad. Just because Garthwaite can only play on the bigger slow forwards doesn’t mean he is more of a KPD than Grimes because he can play on both.
Garthwaite is Ben Darrou with red hair.
Grimes should have played on the best KPF while Astbury has been out. It cost us at least one win and probably even two IMO.
If Grimes and Broad could play KPD then Garth wouldn't have been brought in in the first place when Rance went down. Garth is heavier than those two even though he is still young and raw. Structurally it hurts us as every other defender has to move 'up' in the defensive roles. It's not simply just as one-vs-one match-up issue in the modern game.
Bruce is 197cm tall while Membrey plays as a kick and mark forward. I'm not saying they are Lockett and Dunstall but they both burnt us this time two years ago at Docklands. Membrey kicked 5 goals while Bruce had 7 scoring shots (2.5). Never underestimate your opponent especially when we are coming off 3 straight bad losses. We're hardly in any form to look down on them. St Kilda's woes are due to their mids and half-backs not being able to hit the side of a barn. They continually butcher their F50 entries. Pray that continues today and that they don't have a rare day out like they did two years ago or our short/slight defence will be exposed again.
Garthwaite is 1KG heavier than Grimes and 2KG heavier than Broad. Hardly a massive difference. And Garthwaite being younger and less preseasons under his belt means that 2KG means FA!
The main reason Garthwaite was brought in was to get some exposure at AFL level and he has failed at miserably IMO.
Dimma in his wisdom wanted his cake and eat it too not playing Grimes on the best forward. He wanted the luxury of him to play his normal role of playing on a medium or a small.
Grimes couldn’t be more suited to playing on Membrey as like you said he is a lead up mark forward. Grimes is nearly the best defender on a lead in the AFL.
Are you saying Garthwaite should be in the side today after conceding 17 goals in his last 3 games?
Do you know how stupid that sounds considering we have dropped Balta, someone who is bigger, stronger and quicker than Garthwaite who has actually shown he can play at the level.
Long term Balta is more promising but he has fallen away over the past month. He looked tired and was non-competitive against Adelaide in the ruck. His best performances were earlier in the season playing as a second ruck and performing cameos winning his own clearances at ground level. He hasn't yet shown anything at AFL level playing as a key defender. That may come in the future but this year he can't play down back at the highest level.
For structural reasons, I would play Garth now that Astbury is back. It worked okay for us to be 7-3. If Grimes plays KPD then someone else has to play his intercepting role which would probably be Floss. Then someone else has to play Floss' role as a small defender which would probably be Stack. The someone else has to play Stack's role as a clean distributor out of the backline .... Today that's probably Short who is playing his first game in 2-3 months. Yeah that may all work today against St Kilda (I hope so anyway) but we're shuffling our whole defence around trying to solve one key position. That's not going to cut it over the rest of the season.