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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 07, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
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What is Richmond’s biggest trade regret?
Al Paton
Herald Sun
7 October 2019
Richmond’s 2019 premiership was a triumph of smart recruiting.
Dylan Grimes and Bachar Houli were pre-season draft picks, Kane Lambert, Jayden Short and Jason Castagna were rookies and trades for Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Toby Nankervis were masterstrokes.
But it wasn’t always that way.
Every club has some skeletons in their trade closet they would prefer to keep in the dark, and the Tigers were up there with the best (worst?).
These moves must have seemed like good ideas at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight here are five moves we think the Tigers regretted the most.
1. JORDAN MCMAHON FOR PICK 19
This goes down as one of the all-time trade regrets. McMahon was a half-back with a nice left boot, with his Tiger highlight a goal after the siren to defeat Melbourne in 2009.
But Richmond paid a huge price for the Bulldogs backman in the form of pick 19, which the Dogs used on a promising midfielder named Callan Ward. He played 60 games for the Dogs before being poached by GWS, but the Bulldogs received a compensation pick which they used to recruit Jack Macrae. McMahon, meanwhile, was delisted in 2010.
2. CHRIS YARRAN FOR PICK 19
Richmond appeared to have scored a win when they held firm on the Blues’ demand for pick 12 for the silky defender, instead handing over pick 19 just before the trade deadline in 2015. Unfortunately, Yarran never added to his 119 AFL games as he was struck by mental health issues, sitting out the 2016 season then aborting a comeback the next year. He later revealed a harrowing ice addiction. In May this year he hit rock bottom when he was sentenced to five years in jail over a crime spree in WA.
3. BRAD OTTENS FOR PICKS 12 AND 16
When Terry Wallace arrived as Richmond coach at the end of 2004 the club identified Brad Ottens as a player with trade currency. The ruck/forward was sent to the Cats in a swap for picks 12 and 16, which the Tigers used on midfielder Danny Meyer and big man Adam Pattinson — who played a combined 92 games — while Ottens became a key figure in three Geelong premierships.
In hindsight, it wasn’t a great year to invest in the draft, with only one of Richmond’s five top-20 picks a clear success (Brett Deledio at pick 1). Wallace said later he had little say in the deal.
“He was gone virtually the day that I arrived, gone before I was even in the seat, but what happened when I arrived at the club they said the good news is we got two first-round picks for him,” he told SEN.
“So we’ll be able to realign the footy club with those picks, we sat down and went to the draft with picks 12 and 16. Within three years 12 and 16 were gone — so no longer did we have Brad Ottens or the players that were meant to be the 10-year replacements.
“It’s OK doing it, but if you’re going to do it you’ve got to get it right.”
4. JAY SCHULZ FOR MITCH FARMER
Schulz, the No.12 pick in the 2002 draft, showed glimpses of his potential and equal doses of
frustration in seven seasons at Tigerland. In 2009 Richmond sent the key forward to Port Adelaide in exchange for hard nut Mitch Farmer, who had played three games to that point.
He added another 28 at Richmond before being delisted, while Schulz became a reliable target for the Power over the next seven seasons, winning the club’s goalkicking four times.
5. 1980S TRADE WAR
The rules were very different 30 years ago and it’s hard to single out any one move, but the hatred between Richmond and Collingwood almost crippled the Tigers. When the Magpies lured Geoff Raines and David Cloke to Victoria Park after the 1982 season, Tiger powerbroker Graeme Richmond declared war. Richmond poached players including John Annear, Phillip Walsh, Wally Lovett, Neil Peart and Craig Stewart. “Graeme Richmond did a lot of great things for the club but the fact was he had past his use-by date in the early 1980s.
He had lost his grip on what was reality,” Raines told the Herald Sun in 2013. “It became crazy when the attitude was, ‘If they get one of ours then we will get one of theirs’. The moves didn’t help the Tigers on the field and almost drove the club to bankruptcy, only saved by the people-powered “Save our Skins” campaign in 1990.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/from-jordan-mcmahon-to-chris-yarran-the-least-successful-trade-deals-in-richmond-history/news-story/321f9831746c760160e28fa14ebaa8f1
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No way do we regret McMahon. He delivered us Dusty.
Yarran was a mistake for sure, but Ottens wanted out.
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No way do we regret McMahon. He delivered us Dusty.
Yarran was a mistake for sure, but Ottens wanted out.
McMahon was a disastrous bust in terms of the conversation, but as you mentioned, in the greater scheme of chaos theories and domino effects we got Dusty - so no harm done.
Carlton demanding pick 12 for Yarran without disclosing his ice addiction (which they clearly knew about as Kruezer informed Cotchin of the situation during negotiations) should be investigated by the AFL if they had any balls. Nothing short of disgraceful, but then you wouldn't expect anything less from the Scum.
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He he ha ha, just another troll peeing on our parade.
In Balmey we trust
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Yarran was part our fault , but the afl knew his issues and blues it was kept silent didn't Cotch warn the club keep away.
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I think Mick Malthouse also alerted us questioning why we would want him with the baggage he came with, but we ignored the heads up there as well
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2014 NAB AFL Draft, Carlton select: Blaine Boekhorst (19), Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (28), Jayden Foster (60), Clem Smith (63).
Six days later in Rookie Draft, Richmond select: Jayden Short, Jason Castagna, Kane Lambert, Matthew Arnot, Ivan Soldo.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1181065445723406337
Ouch! :rollin
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We needed to nail that rookie draft after ND haul of CEllis, Menadud, Drummond, Butler & Sybil McKenzie...a total bust if not for Butler's one glorious year... :shh
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6 flags amongst that crop from the rookie draft.
Outstanding! :clapping
Lambert may just be one of the clubs greatest draft triumphs.
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We needed to nail that rookie draft after ND haul of CEllis, Menadud, Drummond, Butler & Sybil McKenzie...a total bust if not for Butler's one glorious year... :shh
To be fair, the 2014 draft has to be one of the weakest drafts we’ve seen. Harris Andrews at 61 the only real standout of the draft.
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Daniel at 46, Langdon at 54... :shh
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Yeah a few really good players but mostly not.
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We needed to nail that rookie draft after ND haul of CEllis, Menadud, Drummond, Butler & Sybil McKenzie...a total bust if not for Butler's one glorious year... :shh
To be fair, the 2014 draft has to be one of the weakest drafts we’ve seen. Harris Andrews at 61 the only real standout of the draft.
Aside from De Goey, the few standouts in the National draft were either F/S or academy selections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_AFL_draft#2014_national_draft
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No way do we regret McMahon. He delivered us Dusty.
Yarran was a mistake for sure, but Ottens wanted out.
McMahon was a disastrous bust in terms of the conversation, but as you mentioned, in the greater scheme of chaos theories and domino effects we got Dusty - so no harm done.
Carlton demanding pick 12 for Yarran without disclosing his ice addiction (which they clearly knew about as Kruezer informed Cotchin of the situation during negotiations) should be investigated by the AFL if they had any balls. Nothing short of disgraceful, but then you wouldn't expect anything less from the Scum.
Didn't know that about Kreuzer speaking to Cotchin.
Why then did we got ahead with it?
As for Schultz...honestly he was talented but clearly wanted out of Vic. Would never have performed that well as a Vic club. I was happy for him to have a little purple patch personally.
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We needed to nail that rookie draft after ND haul of CEllis, Menadud, Drummond, Butler & Sybil McKenzie...a total bust if not for Butler's one glorious year... :shh
To be fair, the 2014 draft has to be one of the weakest drafts we’ve seen. Harris Andrews at 61 the only real standout of the draft.
Aside from De Goey, the few standouts in the National draft were either F/S or academy selections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_AFL_draft#2014_national_draft
Not a gun draft by any means, but we could have drafted:
Jake Lever
Ed Langdon
Harris Andrews
All before Dan Butler.
Just goes to show the talent does run deep if you know where to look/develop properly, however hindsight it always a pain and you could do this with any draft and find 3-4 guns you overlooked!
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I will never have anyone speak I’ll of Jordan McMahon. His dirty Mexican moustache was a thing to behold and that legendary kick after the siren and the effect it had will forever be immortalised in the rich history of RFC
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No way do we regret McMahon. He delivered us Dusty.
Yarran was a mistake for sure, but Ottens wanted out.
McMahon was a disastrous bust in terms of the conversation, but as you mentioned, in the greater scheme of chaos theories and domino effects we got Dusty - so no harm done.
Carlton demanding pick 12 for Yarran without disclosing his ice addiction (which they clearly knew about as Kruezer informed Cotchin of the situation during negotiations) should be investigated by the AFL if they had any balls. Nothing short of disgraceful, but then you wouldn't expect anything less from the Scum.
Didn't know that about Kreuzer speaking to Cotchin.
Why then did we got ahead with it?
As for Schultz...honestly he was talented but clearly wanted out of Vic. Would never have performed that well as a Vic club. I was happy for him to have a little purple patch personally.
Re: Yarran - Cotchin told the board/coaching panel of the situation and we decided to go ahead with it anyway, so we certainly deserve some serious criticism. Maybe we were backing our club culture in to turn him around; who knows. But the Scum were not up front about his off field issues.
Schultz - Agreed. He was never going to reach his potential with us after he lost us the TAC sponsorship. Glad he was able to carve out a respectable football career after he left us.