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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 07, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
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Richmond players groping Mabior Chol during team song
Russell Gould
NCA NewsWire
August 7, 2020 1:41pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick cut his weekly press conference short on Friday after being hit with accusations of alleged sexual assault among his players.
It was alleged by veteran reporter Hugh Riminton that Tiger defenders Nick Vlaustin and Jayden Short were involved in the incidents involving teammate Mabior Chol.
Two incidents were allegedly caught on camera in the changerooms, after last week’s win over Brisbane and the previous clash with the Western Bulldogs.
The vision is being circulated on social media, allegedly showing Vlaustin putting his finger up the anus of Chol.
It was alleged the footage also showed Vlaustin grabbing the genitals of Chol three times.
Short allegedly was filmed grabbing Chol’s genitals after the game against the Western Bulldogs the following week.
Hardwick didn’t answer any of the allegations, and a club spokesman entered the press conference, being done via Zoom, to say the coach and the club had “no knowledge” of the incident.
No complaints have been made by Chol but some fans have taken issue with the vision.
Why do Richmond players keep trying to grab Mabior Chol's **** when they sing the theme song? It's the second time I've noticed it#AFLTigersLions
— Owen Carter (@OwenJCarter) August 4, 2020
Geez the Richmond boys were looking a bit toey during the song then. Vlastuin couldn’t keep his hands off Chol’s privates and there was a lot of heavy petting when they came together after the song #HubLife
— Cameron Colvin (@casserdaly) August 4, 2020
HOW RICHMOND’S AWKWARD PRESSER PLAYED OUT
Hugh Riminton: “Sadly an off-field matter if you don’t mind taking a question on it. Are you aware of what appears to be an indecent assault against one of your players by another one of your players in the rooms, in fact there were two incidents, after the game against Brisbane and the other the week before against the Western Bulldogs, do you have any knowledge of these things?
Damien Hardwick: “No mate. I appreciate your time but let’s talk about the game. Thank you.
Riminton: “I’m going to put these questions to you, because I have two criminal lawyers who have said they have looked at this vision and they say there has clearly been a sexual assault taking place. It’s a breach of the criminal law at state and Commonwealth level. It’s a breach of the AFL code of conduct, the player’s code of conduct, of the member’s protection policy statement, it is on camera, we have received no complaint from any player, but it’s clearly on camera, it has been discussed on social media, and I want to know are you going to take it upon yourself if you haven’t already to investigate what appears to be a crime between two of your players?”
Jaimee Damon (Tigers media): “We actually have no knowledge of that, it’s the first we’ve heard about it, so thank you for the question but we have to move on.”
Riminton: “So from the coach, the answer is, let’s be clear, you have no knowledge of this taking place, even though it’s freely on social media, you have no knowledge of this at all?”
Hardwick: “That’s correct, thank you and we’ll move on.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-richmond-players-groping-mabior-chol-during-team-song/news-story/chttps://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-accused-of-groping-teammate-20200807-p55jkb.htmlf2961c0357ff0233ada90a2c59f2a00
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Pretty stupid of Vlas when there are cameras around. Obviously he was just joking around but it didn’t look like Marbs was into it and I thought at the time that the media would run with it.
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Wow.
How stuffing stupid.
Pull your heads in boys...
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Watch this blow up.
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Surprised it's taken 3 days to be biught up.
Thought it looked bad on a Tuesday night and now to find out it happened the previous game :facepalm :help
Get on the front foot Tigers and be ready for ambush when you land in Adelaide
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What is it with the anti Richmond media recently?
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What is it with the anti Richmond media recently?
Lol. Cmon Gracie. This would be brought up at any club. The media love these kinds of stories in 2020.
It’s not an anti-Richmond conspiracy mate.
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What if the groping is consensual
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Is this anything without a complaint from the alleged 'assault victim'?
Advanced Ambulance Chasing .... ::)
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What if the groping is consensual
I think it’s called foreplay
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This unfortunately is the world we live in
Critical race theory and Intersectionality is huge a huge issue in all spheres in the U.S.
The left wing socialists will milk this for all its worth as Chol being ethnic, a refugee and black already intersects on about five phases and if he were say he identifies as “gender variant” then he would actually clean up if he decided to sue the AFL for harassment in the workplace.
This type of thing will get worse and worse in the media. People will take maximum advantage of the new norm and prosecute ie. “religious” cake shop owners who won’t make a cake for a gay wedding because it’s goes against their religion. Or the pastor will lose his government accreditation because he quotes from the scriptures exactly what’s it’s been saying for thousands of years.
Maybe the club should not allow the media inside the rooms anymore so the boys can just have fun like brothers do.
Spray paint the lenses, or don’t sing the song in the main room and go in another room where theres no cameras so they can enjoy the win without the media eyes judging every move.
Like it or not it’s just going to get worse and eventually won’t be able to think because the thought police will stop us. :rollin
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Richmond's Mabior Chol, Nick Vlastuin and Jayden Short apologise over 'stupid' acts
Glenn Valencich
7 August 2020 6:20 pm
Richmond footballer Mabior Chol has shut down concerns over alleged indecent assaults during the club song after recent wins.
Multiple incidents caught on camera have been highlighted by AFL fans on social media, with Tigers coach Damien Hardwick quizzed on the issue on Friday.
Hardwick, declaring he was unaware of the acts, refused to be drawn on the off-field matter.
But on Friday evening the club released a statement saying the behaviour was “not in line with club or community expectations”.
The players involved apologised to Chol, who said he has no problems with any of his teammates.
“It was a stupid action and I am deeply embarrassed. I’ve apologised to Mabior,” Nick Vlastuin said.
Jayden Short said: “It was unacceptable behaviour and a poor example.”
Chol will not take any further action.
“I have no issue whatsoever with those players, or any of my teammates,” he said.
“But (I) understand that is not the sort of example we should be setting.”
The Tigers say the entire playing group “have made clear this behaviour will cease”.
“Richmond is committed to providing a safe workplace and will continue to work to ensure that is the case,” the club said.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-player-mabior-chol-responds-to-allegations-of-indecent-assault-c-1224244
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Nobody can say the playing group isn’t close LOL
But all jokes aside , it’s pretty average behaviour and it was clear as day that Marbs wasn’t keen on what was going on
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The club was warned that hiring John Hopoate for tackling drills was a bad move... :shh
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This unfortunately is the world we live in
Critical race theory and Intersectionality is huge a huge issue in all spheres in the U.S.
The left wing socialists will milk this for all its worth as Chol being ethnic, a refugee and black already intersects on about five phases and if he were say he identifies as “gender variant” then he would actually clean up if he decided to sue the AFL for harassment in the workplace.
This type of thing will get worse and worse in the media. People will take maximum advantage of the new norm and prosecute ie. “religious” cake shop owners who won’t make a cake for a gay wedding because it’s goes against their religion. Or the pastor will lose his government accreditation because he quotes from the scriptures exactly what’s it’s been saying for thousands of years.
Maybe the club should not allow the media inside the rooms anymore so the boys can just have fun like brothers do.
Spray paint the lenses, or don’t sing the song in the main room and go in another room where theres no cameras so they can enjoy the win without the media eyes judging every move.
Like it or not it’s just going to get worse and eventually won’t be able to think because the thought police will stop us. :rollin
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Sounds like you’re a little politically jaded there mate.
I’m what you would probably call a lefty but I don’t think this has anything to do with race and I don’t agree with race being brought into it.
Not everyone on the left is a socialist and not everything is some sort of leftist conspiracy.
Maybe go easy on the Andrew Bolt and Fox News for a bit?...
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The club was warned that hiring John Hopoate for tackling drills was a bad move... :shh
:lol
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It’s obviously an “in joke”
Who’s to say Chol didn’t start it all previously??
The answer is none of us.
If you have ever played footy you would know boys hang poo, have banter and probably overstep lines if you look at it without knowing what is going on.
It’s not as if they did it to a stranger on a Saturday night down Punt Rd.
The one thing COVID has shown more than most to me is, some people are just angry, miserable assholes with nothing better to do in their poo lives other than look for things to complain about.
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Near the start of both Ch 7 & 9 TV news bulletins tonight:
The Richmond Football Club is in damage control tonight, with players facing accusations of groping each other. @_AMcCormack7
#7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1291655361514967042
Two Richmond Premiership stars have apologised after they were accused of indecently assaulting a team mate. The groping allegations caught Damien Hardwick off guard, forcing the Tigers coach to cut short his weekly media conference.
@AyrtonWoolley #9News
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1291649058608685056
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Their is an obvious agenda against our club. Best thing is to ignore it and win games. Rimmington et al who are a blight on our society with their sensationalist rubbish can all GAGF’d
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i have received multiple texts from a crows mate over in SA, mentioning this act is as bad as the power stance. I nearly fell off the chair.
"if we can cop it for that then so should you blokes for the next few years"
i laughed and said win 2 flags and they can do what they want, maybe you should try that instead of bringing it up every 5 mins.
This is a rubbish story. Indescent assault as reported in his media conference. FMD
how many times did arses get pinched back in the day. stuff i even remember going to a gay joint with an ex girlfriend as he her brother way gay, and upon walking in had my balls grabbed by some gay man. stuff i should report him now for sexual assault
Reporters are becoming irrelevant so anything to sell a few papers, and especially to bring our club.
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https://www.triplem.com.au/story/richmond-provide-statement-on-player-behaviour-during-team-song-164949
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A gripping story. Once you go black you don't go back!
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Yep, not a good look!
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This unfortunately is the world we live in
Critical race theory and Intersectionality is huge a huge issue in all spheres in the U.S.
The left wing socialists will milk this for all its worth as Chol being ethnic, a refugee and black already intersects on about five phases and if he were say he identifies as “gender variant” then he would actually clean up if he decided to sue the AFL for harassment in the workplace.
This type of thing will get worse and worse in the media. People will take maximum advantage of the new norm and prosecute ie. “religious” cake shop owners who won’t make a cake for a gay wedding because it’s goes against their religion. Or the pastor will lose his government accreditation because he quotes from the scriptures exactly what’s it’s been saying for thousands of years.
Maybe the club should not allow the media inside the rooms anymore so the boys can just have fun like brothers do.
Spray paint the lenses, or don’t sing the song in the main room and go in another room where theres no cameras so they can enjoy the win without the media eyes judging every move.
Like it or not it’s just going to get worse and eventually won’t be able to think because the thought police will stop us. :rollin
:lol
Sounds like you’re a little politically jaded there mate.
I’m what you would probably call a lefty but I don’t think this has anything to do with race and I don’t agree with race being brought into it.
Not everyone on the left is a socialist and not everything is some sort of leftist conspiracy.
Maybe go easy on the Andrew Bolt and Fox News for a bit?...
I don’t watch either of those media outlets nor am I a conspiracy theorist. Funny enough, I do watch a lot of the ABC though. :rollin
I’m just stating what’s happening in the US at the moment especially in areas normally not associated with this type of political agenda or ideology.
In this case, the boys are mucking around much like my brothers and I would do pretty much every day growing up and when we get together now we still do this to each other or it’s some of the things you’d do with best mates at school or work etc. which all shows how close the players at Richmond really are.
In relation to what’s happening overseas and especially in the USA at the minute, I was illustrating what will eventually be the norm in Australia when we are more a tune to critical race theory and intersectionality which, I have no doubt, will be terms we hear more and more in Australia in the years to come.
With the absence of absolute truth and the advent of socially constructed “norms” that is subjective truth then we are all told what is acceptable & what is not acceptable whether it is actually true or not.
This is actually happening now and this situation is just the beginning.
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Yep, not a good look!
This sort of stuff has been happening in footy clubs for 100 years and will continue long after Rimmington et al are dead and buried.
If their were cameras in the change rooms of all footy clubs the permanently outraged media wannabe's would be beside themselves.
The bit missing from the club statement was Chol telling Rimmington to go and stuff himself and that he doesn't need grubs like him to pretend to be looking after his best interests when his only intention is to use Chol to make himself relevant.
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Interestingly, the HUN on Twitter has posted a picture of Dan Butler doing the same thing last night
Further to that again on Twitter someone posted a picture of Port Adelaide leaving field and one player doing the same thing, didn'tsay or show the age of the picture
I hope the media highlight these as well. As I reckon it shows that this isn't just something hat happens at Richmond
Having said that, it was average behaviour at best and more than that the vision shows that Marbs was clearly uncomfortable with what was going on. But the Club have dealt with it, time to move on
We have a game to win tomorrow
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There is also a picture doing the rounds of Grundy grabbling Moore's nuts.........part of a whole of club push to get him to re-sign?
I tell you its the AFL bullies trying to bring our club down. The only thing they'll actually do is bring the whole competition to a grinding halt
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Interestingly, the HUN on Twitter has posted a picture of Dan Butler doing the same thing last night
Further to that again on Twitter someone posted a picture of Port Adelaide leaving field and one player doing the same thing, didn'tsay or show the age of the picture
I hope the media highlight these as well. As I reckon it shows that this isn't just something hat happens at Richmond
Having said that, it was average behaviour at best and more than that the vision shows that Marbs was clearly uncomfortable with what was going on. But the Club have dealt with it, time to move on
We have a game to win tomorrow
exactly
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Yep, not a good look!
This sort of stuff has been happening in footy clubs for 100 years and will continue long after Rimmington et al are dead and buried.
If their were cameras in the change rooms of all footy clubs the permanently outraged media wannabe's would be beside themselves.
The bit missing from the club statement was Chol telling Rimmington to go and stuff himself and that he doesn't need grubs like him to pretend to be looking after his best interests when his only intention is to use Chol to make himself relevant.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Since when was Hugh the professional dog groomer interested in footy?
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Those far-left scumbag cancel culture warriors Sleeping Giants have piped up about it on twitter.....guess they'll be calling for a boycott of the club's sponsors now.... :shh
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AFL world reacts to Mabior Chol video from Jayden Short and Nick Vlaustin
Herald-Sun
8 August 2020
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd couldn’t help but feel for Chol after seeing the footage and said the club would be ashamed of the vision.
“I think Hugh Riminton, what he’s done, he has stopped it across the competition,” Lloyd said on 3AW.
“He’s put the spotlight on it.
“Richmond is a great football club but they’d be highly embarrassed because that was repulsive and an invasion on Mabior Chol.
“I felt very uncomfortable watching it – I didn’t see at the time, but watching it since – for Mabior Chol.
“He would have been well within his rights to knock Nick Vlastuin out, there and then.
“Imagine trying that on Tony Lockett – he would have thrown you into a brick wall.”
https://www.3aw.com.au/matthew-lloyd-responds-to-repulsive-behaviour-from-richmond-duo/
Carlton AFLW star Tayla Harris has lashed out at social media users defending Richmond’s ‘bum slapping’ which has been referred to as alleged sexual assault by a journalist.
Reporter Hugh Riminton raised the issue of Nick Vlaustin and Jayden Short touching teammate Maboir Chol’s genitals, with little support online – until now.
The female marking sensation slammed the actions in a Tweet on Friday afternoon.
“The justification of this is extraordinary, the comments are unbelievable,” she wrote.
“These men are role models, kids playing junior footy see this on teli (sic) and think it’s okay.
“IT IS NOT OKAY. I don’t care about the ‘boys club’ BS, this is severely in appropriate, grow up 🤦🏼♀️”
Other users agreed, citing the behaviour as ‘persistent’, while one replied to Harris and said the footage shouldn’t have been recorded.
“This is why camera’s (sic) in the sheds should be banned,” they wrote.
“It happened in the in the change room so what’s the big deal. If no camera’s were on in there u (sic) wouldn’t even know it happened.”
Harris replid to the user: “This is a serious question - do you think is okay/fun/cool to grab each other’s peens (sic) and/or put your finger up their butt? I, personally, don’t do that with my friends or teammates.”
She continued: “You’re right it’s hard to explain because it is absolutely ridiculous. For the record I asked my dad (played in the 80’s) he (rightly or wrongly) said he’d flog any bloke who tried to grab him like that.
“You should probably have a talk to yourself about what you like.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-aflw-star-tayla-harris-lashes-out-at-social-media-users-defending-richmonds-bum-taps-on-mabior-chol-ng-b881632826z
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-world-reacts-to-mabior-chol-video-stuff-vlaustin/news-story/f47f74c44b6e32536f9eb865b60b7e89
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Jack Riewoldt, Dan Butler in separate groping incidents, vision shows
Herald-Sun
8 August 2020
The AFL has been plunged further into crisis after vision emerged of two more star players in alleged groping incidents with teammates.
The scandal widened on Friday night with new footage showing two more alleged incidents featuring Tigers captain Jack Riewoldt and St Kilda star Dan Butler.
The Herald Sun first reported that vision of Butler appearing to grope teammate Jake Gresham’s genitals and buttocks emerged on Friday night before, spreading across social media sites.
The vision allegedly shows Butler groping Gresham in the dressing rooms after the Saints’ win over the Gold Coast Suns on Thursday night.
According to the report in The Herald Sun, Butler has issued an apology.
“It wasn’t a premeditated action, and I have spoken to Jade and apologised.”
Gresham said he was not offended by the action.
“There is no context in which this behaviour is appropriate and will ensure it is not repeated,” he said.
AFL fans on social media site Reddit on Friday also uncovered vision of Riewoldt appearing to grope teammate Short.
According to fans, the vision allegedly shows Riewoldt giving Short a tap on the front of his genitals before moving his hand towards the backside of his teammate also in the dressing room after the Tigers win over Brisbane last week.
Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph also said the league was “filthy” with the Tigers for their actions.
“My understanding was he really was mortified to be dragged into it and didn’t feel like he wanted to be involved. But clearly there is an example that needs to be set,” Ralph said on Fox Footy.
“For all the people out there that say ‘it’s just blokes being blokes’, the AFL tonight is filthy on it. They say at the very least a player should have a safe space to play a game of football, which he loves doing, go into the rooms, sing the song and not get touched on the genitalia. I think at the very least we can all agree to that.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-2020-jack-riewoldt-dan-butler-in-separate-groping-incidents-vision-shows/news-story/1ed66bf7ac842c0b48c067bd75e987f7
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because I think what Vlastuin and Short did is disgraceful I think both should have been suspended for 3 to 5 weeks by our own club. Completely unacceptable from both. Im more disappointed in Vlastuin who is someone who could be a future Richmond captain.
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What if the groping is consensual
It’s quite obvious it wasn’t
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What if the groping is consensual
It’s quite obvious it wasn’t
Was a tongue in cheek comment.
stuff me the media just love this don't they. I know grabbing someone's johnson is a step up but are we going to shame someone every time they give a butt slap ??
Obviously there is some inside joke and if Chol was really uncomfortable I'm sure he'd feel confident in telling his teammates so. If it's about setting examples then why bring even more attention to it. The people who are concerned should bring it up privately with the club to minimise any further exposure to our innocent kiddies, no? I think it's more just pushing for headlines with another controversial 'assault' story, rather than being genuinely concerned for the individuals involved, because they know it's not true assault.
I really do hate the way the world's going.
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because I think what Vlastuin and Short did is disgraceful I think both should have been suspended for 3 to 5 weeks by our own club. Completely unacceptable from both. Im more disappointed in Vlastuin who is someone who could be a future Richmond captain.
Please. Give it a spell. Your clearly taking the pee.
It doesn’t look good without context.
No one is talking about when Vlaustin was groped after the song was sung and went into the middle of the circle, I think he copped it from everyone and it’s very obviously an in joke with the boys.
If all in-house football club pranks were exposed how many do you think “the media“ would approve of? Fortunately most in house pranks are kept in house and aren’t subject to media scrutiny.
Or maybe they should just be robots that are programmed like Hymie from Get Smart to show no emotion at all or show no effects of enjoyment in the public arena.
This is all the perfect example of judgement by media and beginnings of a much greater social constructs that will prevent us from eventually thinking for ourselves because we will be told what to think.
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Interestingly, the HUN on Twitter has posted a picture of Dan Butler doing the same thing last night
Further to that again on Twitter someone posted a picture of Port Adelaide leaving field and one player doing the same thing, didn'tsay or show the age of the picture
I hope the media highlight these as well. As I reckon it shows that this isn't just something hat happens at Richmond
Having said that, it was average behaviour at best and more than that the vision shows that Marbs was clearly uncomfortable with what was going on. But the Club have dealt with it, time to move on
We have a game to win tomorrow
article today about dan butler. He too has issued an apoloigy. Standby for culture issues at Punt Road. :lol :lol
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-2020-jack-riewoldt-dan-butler-in-separate-groping-incidents-vision-shows/news-story/1ed66bf7ac842c0b48c067bd75e987f7
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because I think what Vlastuin and Short did is disgraceful I think both should have been suspended for 3 to 5 weeks by our own club. Completely unacceptable from both. Im more disappointed in Vlastuin who is someone who could be a future Richmond captain.
Lighten the stuff up. It was a joke.
Not everyone in the world is a plant eating, bisexual, planet saving, anti-vaccer that believes everyone who isn’t is a bad person. Some people still get that life should be fun.
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Interestingly, the HUN on Twitter has posted a picture of Dan Butler doing the same thing last night
Further to that again on Twitter someone posted a picture of Port Adelaide leaving field and one player doing the same thing, didn'tsay or show the age of the picture
I hope the media highlight these as well. As I reckon it shows that this isn't just something hat happens at Richmond
Having said that, it was average behaviour at best and more than that the vision shows that Marbs was clearly uncomfortable with what was going on. But the Club have dealt with it, time to move on
We have a game to win tomorrow
article today about dan butler. He too has issued an apoloigy. Standby for culture issues at Punt Road. :lol :lol
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-2020-jack-riewoldt-dan-butler-in-separate-groping-incidents-vision-shows/news-story/1ed66bf7ac842c0b48c067bd75e987f7
If this was balanced reporting then where the stuff are the mentions of Port, GWS and Collingwood players that did the same thing. stuff them all them salty front bottoms
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Time to move on from this. Not a god look or example but it happens during every game played.
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This unfortunately is the world we live in
Critical race theory and Intersectionality is huge a huge issue in all spheres in the U.S.
The left wing socialists will milk this for all its worth as Chol being ethnic, a refugee and black already intersects on about five phases and if he were say he identifies as “gender variant” then he would actually clean up if he decided to sue the AFL for harassment in the workplace.
This type of thing will get worse and worse in the media. People will take maximum advantage of the new norm and prosecute ie. “religious” cake shop owners who won’t make a cake for a gay wedding because it’s goes against their religion. Or the pastor will lose his government accreditation because he quotes from the scriptures exactly what’s it’s been saying for thousands of years.
Maybe the club should not allow the media inside the rooms anymore so the boys can just have fun like brothers do.
Spray paint the lenses, or don’t sing the song in the main room and go in another room where theres no cameras so they can enjoy the win without the media eyes judging every move.
Like it or not it’s just going to get worse and eventually won’t be able to think because the thought police will stop us. :rollin
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Sounds like you’re a little politically jaded there mate.
I’m what you would probably call a lefty but I don’t think this has anything to do with race and I don’t agree with race being brought into it.
Not everyone on the left is a socialist and not everything is some sort of leftist conspiracy.
Maybe go easy on the Andrew Bolt and Fox News for a bit?...
I don’t watch either of those media outlets nor am I a conspiracy theorist. Funny enough, I do watch a lot of the ABC though. :rollin
I’m just stating what’s happening in the US at the moment especially in areas normally not associated with this type of political agenda or ideology.
In this case, the boys are mucking around much like my brothers and I would do pretty much every day growing up and when we get together now we still do this to each other or it’s some of the things you’d do with best mates at school or work etc. which all shows how close the players at Richmond really are.
In relation to what’s happening overseas and especially in the USA at the minute, I was illustrating what will eventually be the norm in Australia when we are more a tune to critical race theory and intersectionality which, I have no doubt, will be terms we hear more and more in Australia in the years to come.
With the absence of absolute truth and the advent of socially constructed “norms” that is subjective truth then we are all told what is acceptable & what is not acceptable whether it is actually true or not.
This is actually happening now and this situation is just the beginning.
Fair enough. I agree with most of that.
I have seen one or two absolute pelicans try to make this a race thing on social media but I think they are in the minority.
I think most people on both sides of politics understand that this isn’t much more than a silly lockerroom in joke between mates.
Stupid? Yes. Racist? Definitely not.
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Those far-left scumbag cancel culture warriors Sleeping Giants have piped up about it on twitter.....guess they'll be calling for a boycott of the club's sponsors now.... :shh
Yeah I saw that Joel Wilkinson dude mentioned “racial abuse” on Twitter which is absolutely pathetic.
He is trying to create a race issue where there clearly is none.
As I mentioned earlier, I probably fit in the category of “lefty” (albeit a moderate one) but this kind of thing makes my blood boil.
Cancel culture is horse poo. Extreme left and extreme right are two sides of the same coin in my view.
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For what it’s worth, what Vlas did clearly went beyond the normal “love taps” you see in locker rooms after games.
He went overboard and the fact that Mabs was trying to make it stop really didn’t look good on national television.
It was always going to be a talking point and I reckon Benny and Peggy will be dirty with the boys for being so stupid in front of the cameras.
In saying that, it’s not a major issue by any stretch and people should and will move on pretty quickly I reckon.
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For what it’s worth, what Vlas did clearly went beyond the normal “love taps” you see in locker rooms after games.
He went overboard and the fact that Mabs was trying to make it stop really didn’t look good on national television.
It was always going to be a talking point and I reckon Benny and Peggy will be dirty with the boys for being so stupid in front of the cameras.
In saying that, it’s not a major issue by any stretch and people should and will move on pretty quickly I reckon.
Agree with most of that. Sticking your fingers up a teammates arse is not normal. Would of given 5 weeks suspension. Its disgraceful conduct it really is.
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For what it’s worth, what Vlas did clearly went beyond the normal “love taps” you see in locker rooms after games.
He went overboard and the fact that Mabs was trying to make it stop really didn’t look good on national television.
It was always going to be a talking point and I reckon Benny and Peggy will be dirty with the boys for being so stupid in front of the cameras.
In saying that, it’s not a major issue by any stretch and people should and will move on pretty quickly I reckon.
Agree with most of that. Sticking your fingers up a teammates arse is not normal. Would of given 5 weeks suspension. Its disgraceful conduct it really is.
I reckon your comments sum you up Ramps.
I am actually embarrassed for you.
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Its ok Tone coz no one cares about your opinion anyway. You hang around on this forum attacking daniel rioli and a few others for your own agenda. And thats ok. Good luck to ya but no one cares.
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because I think what Vlastuin and Short did is disgraceful I think both should have been suspended for 3 to 5 weeks by our own club. Completely unacceptable from both. Im more disappointed in Vlastuin who is someone who could be a future Richmond captain.
No one is making mention of when Vlastuin is basically groped by all players at the very end of the song as he was ushered into the centre of the circle.
Is it because he’s part of white privilege?
Give me a break!
Ramps are you horrified by all the players groping Vlastuin too. Should they all be suspended fur 5 weeks?
Go Watch it again. It’s an in joke especially since for some reason Vlastuin had to go in the middle of the circle once the song was sung. Let’s suspend all of them as you wish. :rollin
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Im not horrified I just think its stupid and disgraceful behaviour that should be stamped out. Thats all.
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Yeah I saw that Joel Wilkinson dude mentioned “racial abuse” on Twitter which is absolutely pathetic.
He is trying to create a race issue where there clearly is none.
Totally agree with you on this Willy.
Joel Wilkinson appears to make every issue about race.
Not sure if many folks on here remember him, he played for the Suns in their 1st couple of seasons.
Some of his "rants" make little sense (sadly) which I don't think is anyway helpful to cause that he is supposedly trying to support and raise awareness of.
This behaviour is not about race. To suggest otherwise is as you say Willy pathetic
I think what people need to realise whether they agree or not is what may have been seen as acceptable a decade or even 5 years ago is not seen as acceptable now.
10+ years ago there was outrage (even on this Forum IIRC) over the Hoapate (sp?) Incident in the NRL. During a game he stuck his finger up an opposition player's backside. He got suspended and his career was effectively over. People were disgusted and said he should never play the game again
I know people will argue circumstances are different but the actions are the same.
Again and people will scoff or disagree but this is a workplace and these actions would not be tolerated in another workplace in the country. I get the argument they are playing a sport, it's being going on for years in sport.
But this is and I know people hate it when it gets raised but this a multi million dollar business and this type of behaviour is not acceptable in any business/work setting
It is the world in which we live, for better or for worse
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Its ok Tone coz no one cares about your opinion anyway. You hang around on this forum attacking daniel rioli and a few others for your own agenda. And thats ok. Good luck to ya but no one cares.
:lol
5 weeks... :lol
Attacking Daniel Rioli... :lol
You sound like you would be heaps of fun to be around. :lol
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Racist? Wouldn't it be even more racist if the team leaders REFUSED to also grope the black fellow? :-\
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Im not horrified I just think its stupid and disgraceful behaviour that should be stamped out. Thats all.
Fair enough.
I highly doubt we will see anything like this again from the players.
It’ll actually be interesting to see how they react during the theme song tonight when we win. :gotigers
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Twitter is a stuffing cancer....
...and didn't Grundy do something similar Moore a few weeks ago and everyone laughed? :shh
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/chol-response-jpg.930361/)
:shh :shh
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Having said all that - Short was clearly the instigator and main culprit in all this and as such should be delisted immediately... :shh :shh :shh
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AFL statement
In a statement responding to the alleged groping incidents, the AFL said: “The actions of players touching several teammates inappropriately during post game celebrations and/or during club theme songs is not in keeping with either club, community or AFL expectations.
“The behaviour is inappropriate, unacceptable and juvenile. AFL players are professional athletes and set the
example for the hundreds of thousands of kids playing football across the country.
“It is the responsibility of each club and the players themselves to ensure this inappropriate behaviour is not repeated.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-2020-jack-riewoldt-dan-butler-in-separate-groping-incidents-vision-shows/news-story/1ed66bf7ac842c0b48c067bd75e987f7
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Thank goodness for this political correct society we live in, bringing the big issues like team mate horseplay to the Forefront of media
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To me this is disgraceful, very very disappointed in this situation, you may think it nothing and harmless horseplay but I disagree.
Nothing has upset me more in all the years I have followed Richmond than this pitiful display.
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Juvenile indeed but really poor time and place. On camera...
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Well Dayne Zorko surely must be be stood down for bringing the game into disrepute now....just chose a Justin Bieber song for the player's playlist on Ch.7.... :shh
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To me this is disgraceful, very very disappointed in this situation, you may think it nothing and harmless horseplay but I disagree.
Nothing has upset me more in all the years I have followed Richmond than this pitiful display.
I've used up all my free Age articles for this month
But they are saying the Club has bought in a QC and other 3rd parties to support end discuss the incident with Marbs. Who has saod he has no issue.
:clapping well down to Tiger's, doing this the right way.
Don't think any club will doing it again in the future
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Tigers' legal counsel interviewed Chol about groping incidents
By Peter Ryan and Steve Barrett
August 8, 2020 — 5.40pm
Richmond instigated a formal procedure with Mabior Chol, directed by the club's legal counsel and head of integrity Hannah Hopper, to ensure he could genuinely express any concerns he had about his post-match treatment from teammates after the Tigers were made aware of footage that showed him being groped.
The Tigers spoke to Chol about the incidents to ensure the 23-year-old had a clear and informed view of his options in relation to the incidents, which Tigers CEO Brendon Gale on Saturday described as "a bad look".
It was only after that process was completed that the Tigers sent out a statement containing apologies from Jayden Short and Nick Vlastuin, as well as a statement from Chol in which he said he had no issue with his teammates.
Gale told 3AW on Saturday they were confident that Chol's statement reflected his actual views because the club conducted what he described as an "arm's length" process of inquiry.
"The opinion that really matters here is Mabior and yes, he recoiled, and yes, he was surprised and it was unexpected but for him it is a non-issue and we should take that into account," Gale said.
"[We] have taken steps so he can say how he feels at arm's length and at the end of the day ... we are entitled to accept that on face value."
Gale revealed the Tigers' leadership group first addressed the matter in a meeting in Queensland on Thursday.
The leaders subsequently made it clear to their teammates the actions were unacceptable and not to be repeated, with the
CEO discovering action had already been taken when he told football manager Tim Livingstone to follow the issue up after members brought the incidents to his attention.
Gale described the acts by Vlastuin and Short as silly, childish, stupid and juvenile.
"It's a bad look and it's got to stop and it will stop," Gale said.
It was a stance echoed in an AFL statement on Saturday, which called the behaviour " inappropriate, unacceptable and juvenile" and demanded clubs and players "ensure this inappropriate behaviour is not repeated".
The incidents entered the public realm after journalist Hugh Riminton put a series of questions to Richmond coach Damien Hardwick about the matter on Friday.
Hardwick cut that interview short but was more reflective when asked about the incident 24 hours later, following his side's hard-fought 21-point loss to ladder-leading Port Adelaide.
"No, it was more about education," Hardwick said when asked if there was ever any prospect of Vlastuin and Short being stood down for the Power clash at Adelaide Oval.
"At the end of the day, the guys made a mistake and they're incredibly apologetic about it.
"Mabior took no offence to it, [but] it doesn't make the action right. We understand that.
"Our players won't do it again. We've had some conversations about it.
"The look is really poor, the action is poor and we'll learn from it. And most importantly others will learn from it as well."
Gale had defended their response to Riminton on the basis that the incident was raised in a criminal context.
"[If] conduct is put to him by a very creditable national affairs reporter of criminality, of indecent assault, of allegations he was quite rightly not aware ... to be honest, I thought the coach handled himself very well," Gale said.
"I don't think those questions should be put to a club coach ... They should be put to administration, they should be put to me."
He said the club did not back away from what had happened, and their responsibility to ensure it did not happen, saying he thought such actions by the players were unusual.
"It is unusual but as is often the case when the mirror of community expectation is held up, sometimes behaviour of this nature, or this conduct, is found wanting and I think that this is the situation we find ourselves in," Gale said.
Gale said Chol's wellbeing was a priority and they would continue to speak to him to ensure he was supported.
The Players' Association was also satisfied Chol did not want to make a complaint about the matter.
St Kilda have also apologised for the actions of former Tiger premiership player Dan Butler after images showed him grabbing at teammate Jade Gresham's backside during the team song after the club's narrow win over Gold Coast. The Saints said there was no context where it was acceptable behaviour from Butler and they would ensure it was not repeated. Butler apologised for his action.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-legal-counsel-interviewed-chol-about-groping-incidents-20200808-p55jun.html
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Damien Hardwick 'disappointed' at players involved in Richmond groping controversy
Nine's Wide World of Sports
8 August 2020
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has admitted that Jayden Short and Nick Vlaustin's groping of teammate Mabior Chol was not a great look for the game.
The issue was brought to light by veteran journalist Hugh Riminton in a terse press conference exchange with Hardwick on Friday morning, before the two players apologised to Chol in a club statement later in the day.
Speaking for the first time since the press conference, Hardwick revealed that the club had internally dealt with the matter two days prior to the exchange with Riminton.
However, while he admitted he was "disappointed" at the actions of the defensive duo Short and Vlaustin, Hardwick said dropping the players was never in consideration.
"We admit it's not a great look for the game and we're disappointed," he told Fox Footy's Saturday Countdown.
"The fact of the matter is, we spoke about it about two days earlier, so we thought we had nipped it in the bud and then obviously yesterday happened and we had to deal with it again.
"We condemn the behaviour obviously, but once again we'll support the individual. It's all about education from our point of view and it's in the eye of the beholder. We'll continue to educate our players and to continue to learn from it."
Despite refusing to answer the questions posed by Riminton in Friday's press conference, Hardwick denied that the issue had been "overblown".
"The reality is, it's a situation that doesn't look great," he said.
"We understand that we're here to set an example and we dealt with it a couple of days ago, so our players are under full understanding that it shouldn't happen and won't happen again.
"It's something that is prevalent in society so we've just got to make sure that we nip it in the bud and continue to set the really good example that we know we can."
read:https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/damien-hardwick-admits-disappointment-at-mabior-chol-groping-controversy-richmond-tigers/3c9bb347-ebb6-4e5f-b26d-ec1ad7861bdb
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So again only Chol was groped?
Not that I saw.
Short was groped by Riewoldt.
Watch it again, Vlastuin was groped by nearly all the players.
I wonder if he was afforded the same options presented to him from the clubs legal team?
Or is it because Chol is regarded as particularly “different that what happed to Floss isn’t the same or regarded as just as bad.
No one has mentions this at all (except me) and it is clearly shown in the same video.
If it’s bad for one then it’s bad for all. Floss however represents white privilege so he does not count as much as Chol in any form of “assault”.
And people don’t think intersectionality or critical race theory will be a major issue in the future?
I rest my case!
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Gale getting in the lawyers was right. We dont need players 10 years from now coming out saying they were victims of things going on ... which is whats going on at other clubs.
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All these flogs who claim to fight racism do nothing but fuel it....:shh
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Never liked it , used to shower with my jocks on one year because of one or blokes at a club.
Only funny for the blokes who did it to another bloke, just a form of bullying as well as harassment imo, not buying the race card, it’s not on no matter who does it
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Yeah I saw that Joel Wilkinson dude mentioned “racial abuse” on Twitter which is absolutely pathetic.
He is trying to create a race issue where there clearly is none.
Totally agree with you on this Willy.
Joel Wilkinson appears to make every issue about race.
Not sure if many folks on here remember him, he played for the Suns in their 1st couple of seasons.
Some of his "rants" make little sense (sadly) which I don't think is anyway helpful to cause that he is supposedly trying to support and raise awareness of.
This behaviour is not about race. To suggest otherwise is as you say Willy pathetic
I think what people need to realise whether they agree or not is what may have been seen as acceptable a decade or even 5 years ago is not seen as acceptable now.
10+ years ago there was outrage (even on this Forum IIRC) over the Hoapate (sp?) Incident in the NRL. During a game he stuck his finger up an opposition player's backside. He got suspended and his career was effectively over. People were disgusted and said he should never play the game again
I know people will argue circumstances are different but the actions are the same.
Again and people will scoff or disagree but this is a workplace and these actions would not be tolerated in another workplace in the country. I get the argument they are playing a sport, it's being going on for years in sport.
But this is and I know people hate it when it gets raised but this a multi million dollar business and this type of behaviour is not acceptable in any business/work setting
It is the world in which we live, for better or for worse
WP, are you really comparing playing AFL footy to a normal work place?
How often do you grab a colleague and throw them to the ground?
How often do you jump on someone’s head to try and grab something before they do?
And how often do you hug a colleague when they do something good?...3,4,5 times a day?
We all know footy is a multi million dollar business but comparing a normal work place like yours and mine to footy is ridiculous. Anyone can see that.
Also comparing putting a finger up the date of an opposition player to unsettle them, the same as teammates having a laugh and mucking around in the club rooms after the game is just as ridiculous.
I think we all know what happened isn’t a good look for kids watching but to suggest it’s anything other than just mates mucking around is crazy and imo really disappointing.
And for some to try and make it racist, sexual, or bullying does more harm than good to those causes.
Would you or anyone with a son be happy if your boy was accused of rape (which I have heard someone calling this) or assault for doing what Vlastuin or Short did?
Were they stupid to do that on camera? - yes
Did they mean any harm or disrespect to Chol? - 1000% no.
I’m a grown man, have a family, run a business and employ people- would I do what Shorty and Vlastuin did to any of my employees? No, but I also have friends I would quite comfortably muck around with and do that to them.
Example- one of the boys might say “looks like you have put on a couple (KG’s)” and instead of firing back a return insult, you give them a little stuff on the nuts- conversation ended.
Simple and as harmless as that.
No harm done, no malice, no assault, and certainly no racism.
When did being Australian become so hard!
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big tone,
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I have deliberately not put my opinion, that is MY opinion on this issue on the forum. And I won't be today, tomorrow or anytime in the future.
I did make it very make it clear that on the point of racism that this has nothing to do with racism
I raised points based on how things are viewed in today's world.
At no time did I say I agreed or didn't agree
Clear? And please don't go around potting me about sitting on the fence, refusing to answer. This is nothing new from me lately. This is how I do things now on non footy related topics.
WP, are you really comparing playing AFL footy to a normal work place?
How often do you grab a colleague and throw them to the ground?
How often do you jump on someone’s head to try and grab something before they do?
And how often do you hug a colleague when they do something good?...3,4,5 times a day?
As I pointed out in today's environment, yes it is their workplace. They are professional footballers, so it is indeed their workplace. That isn't my call, that is the law.
In answer to your 3 points, Never, Never, Never
Another point is members contacted the Club over this, so clearly there are people within the Club (members) that have issues with what happened
We all know footy is a multi million dollar business but comparing a normal work place like yours and mine to footy is ridiculous. Anyone can see that.
You may feel that way but as I said under the law it isn't.
Also comparing putting a finger up the date of an opposition player to unsettle them, the same as teammates having a laugh and mucking around in the club rooms after the game is just as ridiculous.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to that
I think we all know what happened isn’t a good look for kids watching but to suggest it’s anything other than just mates mucking around is crazy and imo really disappointing.
And for some to try and make it racist, sexual, or bullying does more harm than good to those causes.
Your last sentence, I said exactly the same thing
Would you or anyone with a son be happy if your boy was accused of rape (which I have heard someone calling this) or assault for doing what Vlastuin or Short did?
Were they stupid to do that on camera? - yes
Did they mean any harm or disrespect to Chol? - 1000% no.
The only opinion I will offer is on your 2nd point above about being stupid doing it on camera. My view is they were stupid doing it all.
I’m a grown man, have a family, run a business and employ people- would I do what Shorty and Vlastuin did to any of my employees? No, but I also have friends I would quite comfortably muck around with and do that to them.
Example- one of the boys might say “looks like you have put on a couple (KG’s)” and instead of firing back a return insult, you give them a little stuff on the nuts- conversation ended.
Simple and as harmless as that.
No harm done, no malice, no assault, and certainly no racism.
Using the example then that business would be in serious trouble if the matter was taken further. Legally workplaces cannot assume that everyone thinks that sort of behvaiour is OK. Even the "extra kgs" comment is legally a no go in workplaces these days.
When did being Australian become so hard!
Bloody good question
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big tone,
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I have deliberately not put my opinion, that is MY opinion on this issue on the forum. And I won't be today, tomorrow or anytime in the future.
I did make it very make it clear that on the point of racism that this has nothing to do with racism
I raised points based on how things are viewed in today's world.
At no time did I say I agreed or didn't agree
Clear? And please don't go around potting me about sitting on the fence, refusing to answer. This is nothing new from me lately. This is how I do things now on non footy related topics.
WP, are you really comparing playing AFL footy to a normal work place?
How often do you grab a colleague and throw them to the ground?
How often do you jump on someone’s head to try and grab something before they do?
And how often do you hug a colleague when they do something good?...3,4,5 times a day?
As I pointed out in today's environment, yes it is their workplace. They are professional footballers, so it is indeed their workplace. That isn't my call, that is the law.
In answer to your 3 points, Never, Never, Never
Another point is members contacted the Club over this, so clearly there are people within the Club (members) that have issues with what happened
We all know footy is a multi million dollar business but comparing a normal work place like yours and mine to footy is ridiculous. Anyone can see that.
You may feel that way but as I said under the law it isn't.
Also comparing putting a finger up the date of an opposition player to unsettle them, the same as teammates having a laugh and mucking around in the club rooms after the game is just as ridiculous.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to that
I think we all know what happened isn’t a good look for kids watching but to suggest it’s anything other than just mates mucking around is crazy and imo really disappointing.
And for some to try and make it racist, sexual, or bullying does more harm than good to those causes.
Your last sentence, I said exactly the same thing
Would you or anyone with a son be happy if your boy was accused of rape (which I have heard someone calling this) or assault for doing what Vlastuin or Short did?
Were they stupid to do that on camera? - yes
Did they mean any harm or disrespect to Chol? - 1000% no.
The only opinion I will offer is on your 2nd point above about being stupid doing it on camera. My view is they were stupid doing it all.
I’m a grown man, have a family, run a business and employ people- would I do what Shorty and Vlastuin did to any of my employees? No, but I also have friends I would quite comfortably muck around with and do that to them.
Example- one of the boys might say “looks like you have put on a couple (KG’s)” and instead of firing back a return insult, you give them a little stuff on the nuts- conversation ended.
Simple and as harmless as that.
No harm done, no malice, no assault, and certainly no racism.
Using the example then that business would be in serious trouble if the matter was taken further. Legally workplaces cannot assume that everyone thinks that sort of behvaiour is OK. Even the "extra kgs" comment is legally a no go in workplaces these days.
When did being Australian become so hard!
Bloody good question
The example was about my friends and not the workplace.
As per the sentence before the example.
And I don’t think I put words in your mouth at all to be completely honest. I just commented on your post.
And just because the minority is offended by curtain things that doesn’t mean everyone else must all comply to that.
Can anyone honestly say Short or Vlaustin meant any harm or malice to Chol?
Anyone on here??
And if the answer is no than this has been blown out of all proportion.
The easiest thing to do is not let the media who seem to think they are the judge and jury on all topics, and look for anything to pot these guys on, in the change rooms. It should be their private space if the media is going to continue along these lines.
Who really cares if we don’t see the players sing the song? It’s the same every week anyway??
We expect these guys to put their bodies on the line during the game and then 5 minutes later expect them to be angels and not be young men who sometimes do stupid things??
Too be honest I’m just sick of all the “do gooders” of the world. (Not saying you are either)
I think all clubs need to start being tougher on the media as they are out of control
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AFL unhappy after Triple M’s crude parody of Richmond’s groping incident.
https://www.stuff-vlaustin-jayden-short-damien-hardwick/news-story/c2b0fef9aa212759cb79310af5f6a38e
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AFL statement: Club briefings on inappropriate player behaviour
The AFL has released a statement after match day footage showed various players engaging in inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour.
afl.com.au
11 August 2020
The AFL will this week provide a briefing for all 18 clubs on the need to ensure club environments are safe workplaces as it expressed its concerns over recent match day footage showing various players engaging in inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour.
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan said the events of last week showed that the AFL needed to do more to ensure our clubs and football programs are respectful and inclusive workplaces for everyone including our players and officials.
"We condemn the behaviour and need to learn from what happened and ensure that everyone across the AFL understands that we must have working environments that are free from any form of inappropriate conduct or sexual harassment," Mr McLachlan said.
"Where we fall below the standards expected of us, we need to acknowledge that and take the appropriate steps to learn and improve.
"The AFL and our clubs have made a strong commitment to gender equality and respect and responsibility and as part of this ongoing cultural change in our industry we need to ensure inappropriate conduct is not acceptable, whether it is the office or the changeroom. This is an ongoing journey and we are committed to change.
"What we saw in recent times with players from a number of clubs touching each other inappropriately is clearly not the standard of high performance in the workplace that we could - or should - accept."
Mr McLachlan said that following discussions with industry partners including Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins and Our Watch CEO Patty Kinnersly, the AFL would initially conduct briefings with Club CEOs, Coaches and Club General Managers of Football to discuss the issue of inappropriate conduct including leadership, equality and respect in our workplaces.
The AFL's Respect and Responsibility Policy currently provides the platform for players and officials to report complaints.
He said the AFL would also draw on the expertise of Ms Jenkins, Ms Kinnersly and other authorities ahead of working closely with the clubs at the end of the season on a longer-term approach including the development of an educational program aimed at ensuring more respectful and inclusive high performance workplaces, with a specific focus on players and sexual harassment.
"It's important we work together to ensure our entire industry is really clear about the standards we must set in order to deliver the safest environment possible for everyone working in our game." Mr McLachlan said.
"We already have policies in place but where there is scope to improve them, we will improve them."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/483850/afl-statement-club-briefings-on-inappriopriate-player-behaviour
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'Never seen that': AFL great slams 'rubbish' groping antics
au.sports.yahoo.com
11 August 2020
A teammate would have been ‘knocked out’ if they attempted to grope someone in the locker room, Carlton and AFL great Mark Maclure says.
In an interview with the Herald Sun, the 65-year-old said groping incidents captured in the Richmond Tigers and St Kilda rooms in recent weeks were ‘not on’, suggesting players were able to get away with more now compared to his playing days.
Maclure, who played 243 games for the Blues throughout the 1970s and ‘80s, said it was a sign of the times.
“I’ve never seen anything like that before in my life, ever,” he said.
“If it had’ve happened (back in the 70s/80s), the bloke who did it would have been knocked out.
“Life’s changed a bit. It’s got a bit softer and people tolerate rubbish. But I’m telling you, that stuff’s just not on.”
The three-time premiership winner with Carlton had support from another triple-flag winning former star in Brisbane’s Jonathan Brown, who also said he’d never seen any behaviour like that during his career.
“I certainly haven’t been involved in or seen any behaviour around the team song like that in the past, so it was very bizarre to be honest,” Brown said.
“I’m sure that’s a warning to the whole competition to keep your hands to yourself during the song.
“They need to get a garbage bin and bang that instead.”
AFL players urged to behave during club song
Patrick Dangerfield says AFL players need to remember they are role models for the wider community and "be better" following a series of groping incidents between players.
The AFL Players Association president - now in his 13th AFL season - cannot recall seeing any incidents similar to those recently brought to light with video footage from the Richmond and St Kilda change rooms.
But he believes it is incumbent on the entire playing group to make sure it is setting the right example, in particular for young fans.
"We've all got to be better," Dangerfield told SEN radio on Tuesday.
"We've all got to understand that, like it or not, as AFL players, we're role models in the community.
"However you think your own personal actions are, it's far more broad than that, so we've got to be really mindful of that.
"Richmond have acknowledged that and they're not alone with what's happened previously at football clubs at different stages.
"We've just got to be really cognisant of the fact that we are role models for the greater community and there's a standard that we need to uphold."
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl-richmond-groping-mark-maclure-slams-rubbish-antics-052357959.html
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If “older” football players are now going to be getting on their “we were perfect” high horse they have ver very short memories.
How about Mark tell us what he used to say to his aboriginal teammates or opponents? what sort of initiation rite they had for new recruits? or some of the things they used to get up to when they went out on a Saturday night?
It’s easy to forget some of the shenanigans of the past like your poo don’t stink but I will almost hate guarantee that if he was honest with his own historic narrative he would have said and done things that makes these club song antics look as minimal as they actually were.
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If “older” football players are now going to be getting on their “we were perfect” high horse they have ver very short memories.
How about Mark tell us what he used to say to his aboriginal teammates or opponents? what sort of initiation rite they had for new recruits? or some of the things they used to get up to when they went out on a Saturday night?
It’s easy to forget some of the shenanigans of the past like your poo don’t stink but I will almost hate guarantee that if he was honest with his own historic narrative he would have said and done things that makes these club song antics look as minimal as they actually were.
Great points!
You don't even need to go back to Maclure's day. Even more recent at his Club (the last 10 years or so) under Judd's watch as Capt there was an incident on a charter boat on the Yarra with Levi Casboult
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captive-carlton-rooke-and-booze-cruise-shame/news-story/d3806a19a03d8318b19c79bd8ca73577
Selective memory indeed
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https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl-2020-georgie-parker-image-caught-groping-controversy-232930273.html
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-womens-star-responds-to-bum-poke-furore/news-story/65d7dd67847a1fe817ab39ecaebd3367
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Jack on SEN:
As VC need to comment about the elephant in the room. Group prides itself on being role models. We let ourselves down on that front. One thing about our group is if there's something that happens that is wrong we rectify it.
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The AFL has not sanctioned Collingwood or Jordan De Goey over Saturday's dressing room incident.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-review-de-goey-pre-game-touching-of-teammate-20210515-p57sa4.html
Where's Hugh? ::)
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Was a bit different lol
Hardly comparing apples with apples
Multiple players grabbing the same guy on the cock isn’t one guy grabbing another on the arse
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Pretty sure footage emerged of other players copping it as well including Short himself I think, so it wasn't just Chol being singled out like that Race Baiting Leftwit Rimmingtongue was implying.... :shh
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Pretty sure footage emerged of other players copping it as well including Short himself I think, so it wasn't just Chol being singled out like that Race Baiting Leftwit Rimmingtongue was implying.... :shh
I didn’t think it had anything to do with race and didn’t imply that .. simple fact is , two blokes grabbing the SAME PLAYER on the cock is different to this situation .. colour irrelevant
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Seems he was playing his best football when his wang was being grabbed
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Seems he was playing his best football when his wang was being grabbed
:lol :rollin :clapping
Chucky, You made my coffee come out my nose :lol