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Title: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: one-eyed on August 19, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face

By Sammy Edmund
SEN
19 August 2020

 
Richmond is facing a rookie list dilemma as it grapples with a way to shield its talent-laden playing list from poachers.

The Tigers’ enviable depth in the face of injury has this year caught the eye of rivals sensing an opportunity to pick off players seeking more opportunity and/or better terms.

Richmond have the maximum six Category A rookies in 2020 – Jake Aarts, Liam Baker, Mabior Chol, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Marlion Pickett and Sydney Stack – and all are currently regulars in coach Damien Hardwick’s best 22.

Three of those rookies – Aarts, Pickett, Eggmolesse-Smith – are out of contract. Under AFL rules, players who have been on the rookie list for two years or more can reject another rookie contract and become unrestricted free agents.

But if rookie list spots are cut next year, as expected, it would put Richmond under enormous pressure to make room for its rookies on its primary list, which is capped at 40 in 2020 but is no certainty to remain so next season.

Senior-listed players Jack Graham, Nathan Broad and the yet-to-debut Riley Collier-Dawkins are also without deals for next year and attracting interest from multiple clubs.

Collier-Dawkins was the Tigers’ first pick (No. 20) in the 2018 national draft, but is yet to be given an opportunity.

Oleg Markov and Toby Nankervis are unsigned for 2021 – the latter battling a syndesmosis injury as the emerging Ivan Soldo holds the fort.

Graham is in demand at a number of clubs, including Adelaide and Essendon, while Broad has been one of many who have taken less and would need to keep doing so if he wants to stay. Bachar Houli is on one-year deals.

Richmond list manager Blair Hartley is the man at the steering wheel. Such is the depth of talent at Punt Road he may as well be steering the Titanic.

The Tigers are among a collection of clubs who have put the shutters up on contract talks as the industry awaits the AFL’s verdict on what the list sizes and the salary cap looks like for next year.

But with only eight weeks until the end of the season, Hartley has got some big decisions to make.

The likes of Dan Butler, Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca have been among the departures in recent years.

This is the path multiple premiership-winning sides must travel. Who falls out this year?

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/19/the-rookie-list-conundrum-richmond-will-face/
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Gracie on August 19, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Remember 15 years ago when we could but dream of being in this position.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 19, 2020, 04:07:15 PM
Emergency-Dawkins to be traded as steak knives without playing a game.... :shh
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: The Machine on August 19, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
Would prefer to keep both Graham and Broad, however our list build is such we have ample players to step in to play their roles within the team.
Should they leave for greater a salary and long term contracts, they leave Premiership heroes!!
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Knighter on August 19, 2020, 09:07:46 PM
English, Naish, Miller should all go off primary list. Maybe Turner also. A mistake drafting Biggy. Should have held that pick for rookie draft. Now have to carry him for 2 years. Markov, Ross and Higgo will be lucky to survive

Houli will retire

Graham, Broad and CCJ traded

That means we can elevate 5 of the 6 rookies + 3 picks. Baker, Aarts, Chol and Pickett definitely elevated. One of Stack or Egg miss out unless Garth pulls pin also
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 19, 2020, 10:13:57 PM
...Ross, Higgins no chance of being delisted this year....pickle me grandmother, what a load of bullpit.... :shh
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 20, 2020, 07:26:48 AM
Why can’t we delist Big? He would go first, then EGG, trade Graham, Houli retire,  and also Soldo.

That would be a very bad move letting CCJ And Dawkins go.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Andyy on August 20, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
Lots of fodder to get off the list and make way for our rookies.

But those 3 - Pickett, DES and Aarts...honestly I don't mind if DES goes. Pickett no big deal either. Need to keep Aarts for the moment.

Baker, Chol and Stack will all find spots on the list with Aarts.

Turner, English, Garth, Miller, Naish are all pretty much surplus.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 20, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Wasn’t English one of our best performers in the vfl last year? Was either turner or English.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Willy on August 20, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Wasn’t English one of our best performers in the vfl last year? Was either turner or English.

Turner.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Rampsation on August 20, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
We should offload pickett. Dont rate him as a player.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: The Machine on August 20, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
We should offload pickett. Dont rate him as a player.


Don't agree with this at all.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: big tone on August 20, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
Stack and Baker are certainties to get a spot on the main list.

CCJ should be a 100% must keep too.

And I would keep Graham and Broad as I think they have earned the right to stay.

Houli to retire.

Rance will be off the list too.

The following are replaceable IMO.
Pickett, Egg, Aarts, Naish, Chol, Garthwaite, English, Turner, Miller

But I’d like to keep Pickett if possible.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 20, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
I wonder about Astbury. Only because a 4-6 week medial injury has become a 8+ weeks.

He had knee problems in the early part of his career. He's going to be 30 at the start on next season, not saying he should retire just wondering if it is a possibility?

Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Andyy on August 20, 2020, 09:55:25 PM
Wasn’t English one of our best performers in the vfl last year? Was either turner or English.

Turner.

Has he been close to debut at any point?

What role is he playing?
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Rampsation on August 20, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
We should offload pickett. Dont rate him as a player.


Don't agree with this at all.

At 29years of age doesnt offer us anything we reslly need. Hopefully he moves on and finds a new cljb like freo.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 20, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
Yeah we could swap him for McCarthy:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-docker-walks-out-on-the-club-20200820-p55nu8.html


 :shh
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: The Machine on August 20, 2020, 10:57:21 PM
Yeah we could swap him for McCarthy:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-docker-walks-out-on-the-club-20200820-p55nu8.html


 :shh



 :lol PASS
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 20, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Wasn’t English one of our best performers in the vfl last year? Was either turner or English.

Turner.

Has he been close to debut at any point?


Pretty sure he was playing as a wingman mostly and possibly as a half back flanker. But yeah he was constantly in our bests and considering it was his debut season and there were no reserves competition this year it would be incredibly harsh to delist him.
What role is he playing?
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 20, 2020, 11:04:48 PM
Yeah we could swap him for McCarthy:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-docker-walks-out-on-the-club-20200820-p55nu8.html


 :shh



 :lol PASS

Replacement for when Jack retires....  :shh :shh

Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 21, 2020, 02:24:34 PM
Yeah we could swap him for McCarthy:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-docker-walks-out-on-the-club-20200820-p55nu8.html


 :shh



 :lol PASS

Replacement for when Jack retires....  :shh :shh

hmmmmmmmmm

No thanks

2nd club he has walked out on

Yes he was traded out of GWS but he signed a long term deal and within 4 months wanted to go home to Perth

Outside looking in seems when things aren't going his way he wants out
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Darth Tiger on August 21, 2020, 03:43:22 PM
McCarthy has the body shape of an old pear.

No arm or leg muscle definition after being in the AFL system for 8+ years, is simply not fit enough and does not work hard enough for a bloke with his height, middling talent and pudding belly.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: The Machine on August 21, 2020, 03:43:54 PM
Yeah we could swap him for McCarthy:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-docker-walks-out-on-the-club-20200820-p55nu8.html


 :shh



 :lol PASS

Replacement for when Jack retires....  :shh :shh

hmmmmmmmmm

No thanks

2nd club he has walked out on

Yes he was traded out of GWS but he signed a long term deal and within 4 months wanted to go home to Perth

Outside looking in seems when things aren't going his way he wants out


Has the tools but has too much going on with personal issues which look to be holding him back. No thanks.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: tdy on August 21, 2020, 06:54:38 PM
We definitely should hold all our cards until the retirements are finalized we have a few 30+ even Cotch so you never know. I bet we get more than Houli retiring.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 21, 2020, 07:28:05 PM
Yeah I wasn't being serious about the Freo Shark Stuffer.....can see Collingwood picking him up as a last resort if they miss out on Cameron, CCJ etc..... :shh
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 21, 2020, 11:09:29 PM
Yeah I wasn't being serious about the Freo Shark Stuffer.....can see Collingwood picking him up as a last resort if they miss out on Cameron, CCJ etc..... :shh

CCJ contracted to 2021?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-premiership-hero-kane-lambert-locked-away-for-three-more-years/news-story/c4fac0c2a971659145a08ae92d4202fd
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Diocletian on August 21, 2020, 11:49:12 PM
He can still be traded if all parties agree... :shh




.
Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 22, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
For sure mate, though with soldo looking worse and worse every day we couldn’t be that dumb letting him go unless we receive a grandfather offer, which we won’t.

Title: Re: The rookie list conundrum Richmond will face (SEN)
Post by: Andyy on August 22, 2020, 07:37:10 AM
I heard Soldo is quite banged up, bad ankle or something, but nobody to replace him (ie nank and ccj).

Regardless he's fallen off a small cliff. I want to see him tackling to hurt, going back into defence etc. Playing like a proper big man.

He plays timid