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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2021, 08:46:45 PM
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Welcome to Punt Rd, Tom :)
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Tom Brown
Height: 186cm
Weight: 71kg
D.O.B: 30-07-2003
Leagues: NAB League Boys
POSITION: Medium Defender
SNAPSHOT: "A smooth-moving half-back who reads the play well, and is a good decision maker by hand or foot, working hard in transition to provide drive out of the defensive 50."
Tom Brown is an athletic half-back from the Murray Bushrangers, who is the son of Geelong Cats' Paul, but not eligible for the father-son rule due to his father not reaching the 100-game minimum requirement. The clean running defender, who can also push up the ground and play off a wing, has some eye-catching outside traits, and nice footy smarts to-boot. His athletic abilities combined with his smarts and ability to read the play make him a natural outside player, with his strength and contested work areas to improve on.
STRENGTHS:
+ Speed
+ Athleticism
+ Rebounding
+ Footy smarts
+ Reading the play
+ Clean hands
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
Brown has only managed to play the five NAB League Boys games this season in what has been an interrupted year for him like so many others, but he had back-to-back impressive outings picking up 20-plus disposals against the Geelong Falcons and Bendigo Pioneers, where his run and carry, and drive down the ground were ultra-impressive. He is often the player who will run to the outside of a stoppage to either receive the handball or grab the loose ball and take off, with his speed among the better players in the AFL Draft crop. Whilst naturally quick and also gifted with a nice vertical leap, it is his footy smarts that set him aside from his peers.
Most running half-backs will have the athletic traits down pat, but what separates Brown from the field is his footy smarts and reading of the play. He knows when to give and go, and when to hold up and switch play, as well as having the composure to size up options and relieve with a backwards handball, if his teammate has the best chance of advancing the ball forward. He has clean hands which helps him clunk intercept marks and take off, and he can have a real impact in transition down the ground. The other side of the coin with being prolific at this game style, is the contested work which could be improved.
Brown only weighed in at 71kg coming into the season, so naturally strength is an easy area where the Bushrangers talent can build and allow him to win more contested balls. He only averaged just over a tackle per game, but that was more his role rather than intent, with Brown still willing to aide his team defensively. Being an outside receiver or interceptor, Brown rarely goes into the coalface which makes sense given his body size and strengths, and it is likely he will settle as that outside running talent to really impact matches with his work down the ground. His kicking is generally pretty good, and whilst not elite, is still fairly penetrative, and he can use his left as well as his dominant right foot.
DRAFT RANGE: 20-40
SUMMARY:
Overall, Tom Brown is an exciting running talent who can provide that transitional play for a side, be it slotting in at half-back or on a wing. He knows how to win the ball in defence, rebound it out and switch play to the open side if required. He needs to build up his strength to be able to compete against stronger bodies, which is why Brown is suited to an outside or flank role. His footy smarts and reading of the play allow him to succeed in this role, and is the type of role he will be likely to play at the top level anyway.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/tom-brown/
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
Mate alot clubs passed on Johnson was suppose to be top 19.
Edit: Fixed quoting
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PICS:
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Highlights of Tom Brown:
Click to watch:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VHTKWa_qfho/mqdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTKWa_qfho)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTKWa_qfho
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Reckon this kid will be a good one for us.
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Running back ahead or behind Short Rioli Baker Mansell. I'd have liked some mid stocks.
Maybe the list management sees some players changing roles. Add Tarrant to the mix we've added 3 defenders. Granted we lost Houli and Astbury
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Reckon this kid will be a good one for us.
As do i- another tough nut with skills :clapping
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
Mate alot clubs passed on Johnson was suppose to be top 19.
Edit: Fixed quoting
Hope they've got it right and I'm wrong. Had a chance to address our main deficiencies here in a lack of inside grunt and forward stock. So far did neither. Gibcus I'm OK with but I feel like we have plenty if hakf backs between Vlastuin, Mansell, Rioli, Short etc
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
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Brown becomes a Tiger
Richmond has used its second selection (No. 17 overall) in the 2021 national draft to recruit Murray Bushrangers defender Tom Brown.
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2021/11/24/2f627970-5854-40df-ba03-b5b443224bf6/TBrown.jpeg?width=952&height=592)
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
Position: Defender
Height: 186cm
Weight: 77kg
DOB: 30/7/03
What the Richmond recruiters say about Brown...
Tom is an athletic medium defender from the Murray Bushrangers.
He possesses an uncommon but very desirable ability to impact both in the air to spoil or intercept mark, as well as provide genuine rebound out of the back half with speed.
This is further emphasised with above-average results in this year's NAB League fitness testing for both the vertical jump, agility and 20m sprint tests.
Tom started the year brightly before frustratingly succumbing to an ankle injury that impacted most of his year.
Fortunately, he came back late in the piece to average 17 disposals at 75% efficiency at NAB league level and registered 14 disposals and five rebound-50’s for Vic Country in the most recent state trial.
Expect Tom to hit the ground running at Richmond, where his strong hands, ball use and athleticism will be on full display and further add to an already rock-solid defensive group.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1033074/brown-becomes-a-tiger
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Could easily transition into a mid :shh
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
Mate alot clubs passed on Johnson was suppose to be top 19.
Edit: Fixed quoting
Hope they've got it right and I'm wrong. Had a chance to address our main deficiencies here in a lack of inside grunt and forward stock. So far did neither. Gibcus I'm OK with but I feel like we have plenty if hakf backs between Vlastuin, Mansell, Rioli, Short etc
Only question on those current players do theu have the drive and creativity like Houli did.Coukdbe pencilled in the midfield to
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
Mate alot clubs passed on Johnson was suppose to be top 19.
Edit: Fixed quoting
Hope they've got it right and I'm wrong. Had a chance to address our main deficiencies here in a lack of inside grunt and forward stock. So far did neither. Gibcus I'm OK with but I feel like we have plenty if hakf backs between Vlastuin, Mansell, Rioli, Short etc
Only question on those current players do they have the drive and creativity like Houli did.Could become pencilled in the midfield to.
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Draft call and Fox Footy summary & highlights of Tom Brown:
Click to watch:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/TomBrownDraftStats.png) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1033263/2021-afl-draft-pick-17-tom-brown?videoId=1033263&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1637747577001)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1033263/2021-afl-draft-pick-17-tom-brown
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Red flags go up when they rate him a outside player.
Bad feeling about this but I have to trust the panel on this one.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
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Good luck to him you bunch of naysayer haters
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Some advice- go and watch the kid play footy in the VFL next year and watch for yourself. Actually, don't bother as you've made you mind up which is sad...
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Some of the commentary about a player you probably haven't seen other than in a 2 min clip is pretty rank.
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Welcome aboard Tom.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Don’t go off the Foxfooty feed, kid is as hard as nails.
Not who I would have taken but have very few concerns about his ability to play at the top level.
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Range 20-40.
What the hell mate. Johnson, JVR and Sonsie all still up for grabs. Who is this dude?
Gee I hope the club knows something every other draft enthusiast doesn't
I'm a draft enthusiast and he is a great pick
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The first Tom Brown who actually knows about football
https://twitter.com/scootersbcc/status/1463446939769344002
:snidegrin
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Areal worry and when you think about the severe needs we overlooked here with great options available.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Areal worry and when you think about the severe needs we overlooked here with great options available.
Claw, personally thought Hobbs was a better call ….?
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From Geelong footy factory. Not many kids go through here and rated top 30 picks without having a fair bit of hardness to them. I'm not concerned. Fact is he wouldn't have been available next pick as Geelong would have taken him. We've rolled the dice in hope that a Johnson, Sonsie or Goater will be there for pick 26.
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Pack of whingers kid hasn't played a game yet which young players don't have flaws lol.
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Articles about Tom Brown:
'I always thought Dad was invincible': The frightening moment that rocked son of former Cat
Draft hopeful Tom Brown opens up about his father Paul's serious injuries stemming from an unprovoked attack in 2015
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
Nov 8, 2021
TOM BROWN remembers his mum bursting through his bedroom door with the news.
"I was in grade six and was in bed and Mum said 'Dad's been king hit'. I thought 'Oh yeah, Dad will be fine'. I always thought Dad was invincible," Brown told AFL.com.au.
Brown's father Paul, who played 84 games for Geelong from 1988-95, had been punched unprovoked outside a shop in Shepparton in country Victoria in 2015. He was left lying on the footpath unconscious for several minutes after the attack, before being taken to a local hospital with a skull fracture and bleeding to his brain. He was later airlifted to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne for further treatment.
Tom, now 18 and a potential top-25 pick at this month's NAB AFL Draft, recalls being shaken when the seriousness of the incident dawned on him.
"It's almost bittersweet because he got king hit and they scanned his brain and found a tumour, which they wouldn't have found if he didn't get hit. I was young and didn't really understand what was going on but I knew it was a pretty tough time for the family," he said.
"After a week we went down to the hospital to see him and I remember seeing him in bed and he was so out of it, it wasn't Dad. I was shocked by that. Then after his surgery we'd go and visit when he was doing his rehab and struggling to walk as he got back into it."
Paul had the tumour removed and was off work for some time as he recovered from the punch, which saw the perpetrator jailed for six years in 2016.
"I'll always be proud of my dad. I'm proud of how he is now and how he's still going well and hasn't changed," Brown said.
"It's probably made me appreciate family a lot more than I used to, because you never know, he could've hit his head and died. He could've been taken away like that. It's made me appreciate my family a lot more and want to spend more time with them."
Paul is back healthy and playing a big role in shaping Tom's ambitions to make it to the top level. Paul played in the 1994-95 Grand Finals for the Cats and would have played in more games if not for injuries, but the Cats won't get priority call over Tom, an attacking and athletic half-back with speed and smarts, as a father-son option.
"If I go to him for advice he'll be helpful but he's also great at going to the coaches because they know best," Brown said. "He sits me down every now and then and forces me to watch his highlights. There's not many of them! They don't go too long, so I stay and watch. I would have liked to see him play."
Brown's draft season was interrupted by a syndesmosis ankle injury that saw him miss 10 weeks in the middle of the year, but he was able to bookend that with some solid games that showed his run and composure and capacity to get in the air and take a mark.
He is one of four siblings, with older sister Millie already in the AFLW system having been a father-daughter selection at the 2019 draft (unlike the father-son rule, the father only needs to have played one game for a club to have priority access over his daughter).
"Millie and I have been best friends forever. We used to do everything together. When we were younger we were mad Geelong supporters and we used to play the Geelong theme song in the laundry and then run out with the cup in our hands. We thought we were playing a Grand Final and at half-time would come out with the oranges. She's two years older than me but I joined in with her footy, which has been a part of our lives forever," he said.
"She definitely always had me covered until I hit puberty and got a bit stronger and started growing and I haven't looked back. I'd say up until 14 she smacked me. I am really proud of what she's achieved and she's a really good role model for me in a sort of similar path."
Geelong holds four picks between No.22 and 34, with Brown looming as a possible option for the Cats in that range. The idea of following his dad and his sister in the blue and white hoops sits well with Brown, although anywhere will do.
"If I get selected by the Cats I reckon that would be unreal. I've gone for them my whole life and to go to a club you've barracked for would be unreal, I'd love that. But also if I was to go anywhere else I'd be just as rapt as well," Brown said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/686675/i-always-thought-dad-was-invincible-the-frightening-moment-that-rocked-son-of-former-cat-paul-brown
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Q&A: Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)
Michael Alvaro
afldraftcentral.com.au
May 18, 2020
In a special Question and Answer (Q&A) feature, Draft Central‘s Michael Alvaro chatted with Murray Bushrangers’ Tom Brown at the NAB League Fitness Testing Day hosted by Rookie Me.
The Mooroopna junior impressed both in the V/Line cup for Murray and Under 16 National Championships for Vic Country, showcasing terrific smarts around goal and clean movement from half-forward. The 184cm prospect also possesses great agility, and proved as much with a 8.10-second time at pre-season testing.
With promising athletic traits and the experience of running out in the Under 18 NAB League competition already under his belt, Brown looks set to have an impact in his bottom-age year – should competition get underway. In developing his inside game, Brown may also feature further afield as he develops.
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Q&A
Which are some of the tests you see yourself excelling in at the moment?
TB: “I think the agility is probably my best test.”
Do you think that transfers to your talent on the field?
“Yeah I reckon it does. “I reckon it shows that I can duck and weave in packs and at the contest I can get away from my opponent easier.”
Are you looking to lock down a specific role this year, perhaps in the forward half?
“I’m looking to just move around and find somewhere else maybe to play. “I love the forward line but don’t know how long I’ll be able to last there.”
What are some of the things you’re looking to develop in your game at the moment?
“I’m really just looking to develop my contested ball. “I think I need to work on that and also just running, running patterns and stuff like that.”
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2020/05/18/qa-tom-brown-murray-bushrangers-vic-country/
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Shifter Sheehan's pre-draft view of Brown:
Tom Brown
Murray Bushrangers, NAB League / Mooroopna FC / Geelong Grammar
State: Victoria Country
Height: 186cm
Weight: 77kg
Date of Birth: 30/07/03
A line-breaking defender who loves to take the game on and step past the opposition using his elite agility. Composed and a great decision maker he can also go forward and impact the game. His father Paul played 84 games for Geelong but it wasn’t enough to qualify as a father-son so he’s eligible in the open 2021 NAB AFL Draft. Represented Victoria Country at under-19s level against Victoria Metro in 2021 and was among his team’s best as well as playing five matches for the Bushrangers, averaging 16.8 disposals at an impressive 75 per cent efficiency as he mixed his football between the Bushies and Geelong Grammar. Showed his speed over 20 metres with the second best time of 2.98 seconds at the Draft Combine for Victoria Country.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/685342/kevin-sheehan-reveals-his-top-nab-afl-draft-prospects-medium-defenders
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
Whats RCD - A young man with talent who hasnt shown it yet
Whats Jack Ross - So far an ordinary player is my answer
And
Will Martyn - lol ... yeah we saw how good he was when he played. Im 51 and runs quicker thsn Will. Couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw and he got caught so many times... absolutely no game awareness at this stage.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Some advice- go and watch the kid play footy in the VFL next year and watch for yourself. Actually, don't bother as you've made you mind up which is sad...
No I haven't, I just don't think a medium defender should have been a target for us with a first round pick when we have serious concerns in the midfield and forward line.
RCD has shown a little bit. Ross not much. Martyn nothing. Prestia hardly gets on the park. Cotchin too, and is old as. Edwards not getting younger, nor Lambert. Dusty and Bolton needed in the forward line.
Other than Graham was promising young mids do we have? Baker?
Half back we have Vlastuin for several years still. Broad can play medium. All of Mansell, Rioli and Short play there too.
I just think we had bigger priorities and I think this pick surprised everyone.
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
Whats RCD - A young man with talent who hasnt shown it yet
Whats Jack Ross - So far an ordinary player is my answer
And
Will Martyn - lol ... yeah we saw how good he was when he played. Im 51 and runs quicker thsn Will. Couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw and he got caught so many times... absolutely no game awareness at this stage.
Hahahah, & an 18yo with 1 game in the VFL (Hobbs) would be the messiah
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Kudos to Knighter who said Fahey @ 17 & if matched we would go Tom Brown
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Some advice- go and watch the kid play footy in the VFL next year and watch for yourself. Actually, don't bother as you've made you mind up which is sad...
I am only going off the Bio and we have had poor results with out outside selections.
That is why I qualified it with trusting our panel as maybe they see something in him that others haven't.
I hope he quells my doubts and goes on to become a 200 game player.
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
Whats RCD - A young man with talent who hasnt shown it yet
Whats Jack Ross - So far an ordinary player is my answer
And
Will Martyn - lol ... yeah we saw how good he was when he played. Im 51 and runs quicker thsn Will. Couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw and he got caught so many times... absolutely no game awareness at this stage.
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
Whats RCD - A young man with talent who hasnt shown it yet
Whats Jack Ross - So far an ordinary player is my answer
And
Will Martyn - lol ... yeah we saw how good he was when he played. Im 51 and runs quicker thsn Will. Couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw and he got caught so many times... absolutely no game awareness at this stage.
Hahahah, & an 18yo with 1 game in the VFL (Hobbs) would be the messiah
Hobbs is slow as well. I didnt want him euther. Slow players rarely make it at afl level. I also have a rule if a kid cries aftet being selected they dont make it ie. Corey Ellis and 2nd Richmond should never pick players with hyphenated names cos 95% of them turn out to be duds.
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We needed a midfielder with this pick. We have problems in our midfield and our recruiters have overlooked it.
rubbish, you have fallen for the big bodied midfielder hype
What's RCD & Jack Ross ?, Will Martyn ?, remember we get Soldo back for 2022
We need defensive talls & got the best one & we need a Houli replacement & bingo bango , we got one
Whats RCD - A young man with talent who hasnt shown it yet
Whats Jack Ross - So far an ordinary player is my answer
And
Will Martyn - lol ... yeah we saw how good he was when he played. Im 51 and runs quicker thsn Will. Couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw and he got caught so many times... absolutely no game awareness at this stage.
Hahahah, & an 18yo with 1 game in the VFL (Hobbs) would be the messiah
Hobbs is slow as well. I didnt want him euther. Slow players rarely make it at afl level. I also have a rule if a kid cries aftet being selected they dont make it ie. Corey Ellis and 2nd Richmond should never pick players with hyphenated names cos 95% of them turn out to be duds.
Coleman-Jones
Eggmolese -Smith
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Some advice- go and watch the kid play footy in the VFL next year and watch for yourself. Actually, don't bother as you've made you mind up which is sad...
No I haven't, I just don't think a medium defender should have been a target for us with a first round pick when we have serious concerns in the midfield and forward line.
RCD has shown a little bit. Ross not much. Martyn nothing. Prestia hardly gets on the park. Cotchin too, and is old as. Edwards not getting younger, nor Lambert. Dusty and Bolton needed in the forward line.
Other than Graham was promising young mids do we have? Baker?
Half back we have Vlastuin for several years still. Broad can play medium. All of Mansell, Rioli and Short play there too.
I just think we had bigger priorities and I think this pick surprised everyone.
Really what you are saying is we should have drafted a mid because you don't rate our current young mids.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Areal worry and when you think about the severe needs we overlooked here with great options available.
Claw, personally thought Hobbs was a better call ….?
People really can not blame others for voicing concern over our greatest needs being ignored.
Okay another tall defender was a need but it was nowhere near as severe a need for tall fwds.
Just look at the situation
Tall defenders - Tarrant 32, Balta 22, Grimes 30, Miller 22,Nyuon 20 and now Gibcus.
It really was an area that could wait another season if need, be but the likes of Miller and Nyuon and the age of Tarrant and Grimes make it a need still..
We obviously rated Gibcus very highly and id say he was the best rated player on our list at 9. Personally i wanted Erasmus or Hobbs here. I have wanted Erasmus from a long way out. He went next pick and Hobbs who would have addressed our ability win ball went at 13 both must have been in the area for us.
Compare that to our KEY FORWARD SITUATION.
Riewoldt 33 and most likely in his last year
Lynch 29 and he has had his share of injury concerns. I worry about his longevity in this.
Why do supporters just keep on ignoring this.
JVR was available and Melbourne took him just two picks later. he like Erasmus was very much about where we could have taken him.
Fmd JVR was clearly the bigger need by a huge margin but again i can only surmise the club went by their list of ratings at this pick its one i dont agree with and i really do hope they have got it right.
And if people think being belted at clearance and contested possesion every weak is okay then good on em. If people think we don't need mids going fwd and we don't need to improve contested and clearance ball then they just are kidding themselves.
The state of our mids. VETS 29 plus
Edwards 33 - light bodied small mid with great hands inside and evasiveness. cmon people he is close to retirement. Imo we have his replacement in Bolton. The injuries are starting as well, he has missed a lot of footy the last two seasons. He is one of the better clearance and contested players we have and he is 33.
Cotchin 31 - will be 32 a week into the season. While his role has changed a bit he remains one of our better clearance and contested ball winners
In recent years the last three he has begun to miss significant amounts of footy. Surely we are looking for his replacement time seems to be catching up fast.
Martin 30 - He aint getting any younger imo its unfair to expect him to get better and more likely he will gradually decline as father time catches up. Also will more likely in the back end of his career spend more time fwd. He is another who we rely on to win his share of contested ball and clearances.
Lambert 30 - Missed a lot of footy this year is it a sign of the years creeping up? He is a runner for us, basically not a big clearance player and wins enough contested ball to not make him too outside.
Pickett 30 - Is not a huge possesion winner or clearance player and is not a huge contested ball winner either.
Caddy 29 - Hmm imo lucky to be on the list. Has not been a big possession winner for us with few clearances and not a lot of contested ball. has played only 17 games in two seasons.
Prestia 29 - In his 11 seasons he has managed just three where he has played every game. He has consistently had injuries and we only got nine out of him last year and nine this year. Imo our best inside player and hes hardly on the park.When hes not there we lose so much contested ability and clearances.With the injuries you would think the club would not be thinking he is going to play too far into his thirties.
Thats a list of our vets and outside of Bolton and maybe Graham not one of the remaining mids we have looks like they will get anywhere near some the above ATM.
MATURE MIDS 25 to 28
McIntosh 27 - 28 in early april. Just a very average player with poor touch and footskills and we play him on a wing. Have always maintained we can and should do better than him. He is the only Mature mid we have.
DEVELOPING MIDS 22 -24
Graham 24 - He to date has not been a big possession winner he wins few clearances and his contested ball winning has been just okay.To my way of thinking he is not going to dominate contested ball and clearances and the stats back this up to date.
Baker 24 - Has played more as a defender for us. This year played a lot more as a mid and showed he can get a bit of ball and win a bit of contested ball and play thru the midfield. to date has shown he is not a clearance player. Hate to be critical of this player because i love his tenacity asking him to compete inside with his size is just unfair. Imo not the answer to our inside problems imo.
Bolton 23 - Has tracked along nicely. He has transitioned from primarily a fwd to primarily a mid who spends a bit of time fwd.
The last two seasons his clearance work has lifted to a good level and he has started to win enough contested ball.
At 175cm and not a big nuggety frame like say Prestia we are not expecting him to be a bash crash inside player.As mentioned before i think he is our new Edwards type of mid without the superb hands.
Collier - Dawkins 22 - Imo his overall body of work has been underwhelming. He shows glimpses like just about every kid who gets drafted does at 22 i am not depending on him to become a top notch mid and im planning the list that way.Where are we at idf he actually doesn't make it? We cannot ignore that question forever. We will know this year i suppose.
Thats 4 developing players. that is juniors we have considered deserve more development and we think they are or will become decent at worst.
JUNIOR MIDS 18 -21
Ross 21 - Just 21 but in year four now. People may not agree but he showed more three years ago than he does nowBig concerns about him and he just has not come on imo. Gotta ask is he an answer going fwd and if so im asking to what level will he achieve.
Then there is Dow Martyn and Ralphsmith all 20YO.
Well hugo should be a future winger for us. Dow is he a clearance contested ball player im not sure. i think he is a skilled player who can get a bit of ball and win a clearance here and there.
Martyn not shown much in the two games he took the field in. god knows what he will become a few knocks on his pace from some but if he can win a lot of inside ball and get to a lot of contests im not overly worried about his pace. I just dont picture him becoming a top end inside afl player hopefully a servicable player. What we are lacking with the big question marks surrounding RC-D and Ross are elite inside ball winning and clearance players.For me with the many vets with age and longevity its just too few and questionable eggs surrounding quality inside players on the list and it bit us hard last year.
For what it is worth based on GREATEST LIST NEEDS imo we should have gone Hobbs at 9 although my preference was Erasmus and JVR again based on greatest need at 17.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Some advice- go and watch the kid play footy in the VFL next year and watch for yourself. Actually, don't bother as you've made you mind up which is sad...
No I haven't, I just don't think a medium defender should have been a target for us with a first round pick when we have serious concerns in the midfield and forward line.
RCD has shown a little bit. Ross not much. Martyn nothing. Prestia hardly gets on the park. Cotchin too, and is old as. Edwards not getting younger, nor Lambert. Dusty and Bolton needed in the forward line.
Other than Graham was promising young mids do we have? Baker?
Half back we have Vlastuin for several years still. Broad can play medium. All of Mansell, Rioli and Short play there too.
I just think we had bigger priorities and I think this pick surprised everyone.
100% Agree with this. Not having a go at the kids we have taken but if it is list needs we are talking about we have ignored our biggest two.
If you take out 23 yo Bolton then our next 5 best mids are all 29 plus years and we also have Caddy in that group along with Pickett at 30 years.
I sort of think that we have plenty of numbers in mids but below the age of 29 we dont have a lot of quality and few coming thru that will fix midfield problems.
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Areal worry and when you think about the severe needs we overlooked here with great options available.
Claw, personally thought Hobbs was a better call ….?
People really can not blame others for voicing concern over our greatest needs being ignored.
Okay another tall defender was a need but it was nowhere near as severe a need for tall fwds.
Just look at the situation
Tall defenders - Tarrant 32, Balta 22, Grimes 30, Miller 22,Nyuon 20 and now Gibcus.
It really was an area that could wait another season if need, be but the likes of Miller and Nyuon and the age of Tarrant and Grimes make it a need still..
We obviously rated Gibcus very highly and id say he was the best rated player on our list at 9. Personally i wanted Erasmus or Hobbs here. I have wanted Erasmus from a long way out. He went next pick and Hobbs who would have addressed our ability win ball went at 13 both must have been in the area for us.
Compare that to our KEY FORWARD SITUATION.
Riewoldt 33 and most likely in his last year
Lynch 29 and he has had his share of injury concerns. I worry about his longevity in this.
Why do supporters just keep on ignoring this.
JVR was available and Melbourne took him just two picks later. he like Erasmus was very much about where we could have taken him.
Fmd JVR was clearly the bigger need by a huge margin but again i can only surmise the club went by their list of ratings at this pick its one i dont agree with and i really do hope they have got it right.
And if people think being belted at clearance and contested possesion every weak is okay then good on em. If people think we don't need mids going fwd and we don't need to improve contested and clearance ball then they just are kidding themselves.
The state of our mids. VETS 29 plus
Edwards 33 - light bodied small mid with great hands inside and evasiveness. cmon people he is close to retirement. Imo we have his replacement in Bolton. The injuries are starting as well, he has missed a lot of footy the last two seasons. He is one of the better clearance and contested players we have and he is 33.
Cotchin 31 - will be 32 a week into the season. While his role has changed a bit he remains one of our better clearance and contested ball winners
In recent years the last three he has begun to miss significant amounts of footy. Surely we are looking for his replacement time seems to be catching up fast.
Martin 30 - He aint getting any younger imo its unfair to expect him to get better and more likely he will gradually decline as father time catches up. Also will more likely in the back end of his career spend more time fwd. He is another who we rely on to win his share of contested ball and clearances.
Lambert 30 - Missed a lot of footy this year is it a sign of the years creeping up? He is a runner for us, basically not a big clearance player and wins enough contested ball to not make him too outside.
Pickett 30 - Is not a huge possesion winner or clearance player and is not a huge contested ball winner either.
Caddy 29 - Hmm imo lucky to be on the list. Has not been a big possession winner for us with few clearances and not a lot of contested ball. has played only 17 games in two seasons.
Prestia 29 - In his 11 seasons he has managed just three where he has played every game. He has consistently had injuries and we only got nine out of him last year and nine this year. Imo our best inside player and hes hardly on the park.When hes not there we lose so much contested ability and clearances.With the injuries you would think the club would not be thinking he is going to play too far into his thirties.
Thats a list of our vets and outside of Bolton and maybe Graham not one of the remaining mids we have looks like they will get anywhere near some the above ATM.
MATURE MIDS 25 to 28
McIntosh 27 - 28 in early april. Just a very average player with poor touch and footskills and we play him on a wing. Have always maintained we can and should do better than him. He is the only Mature mid we have.
DEVELOPING MIDS 22 -24
Graham 24 - He to date has not been a big possession winner he wins few clearances and his contested ball winning has been just okay.To my way of thinking he is not going to dominate contested ball and clearances and the stats back this up to date.
Baker 24 - Has played more as a defender for us. This year played a lot more as a mid and showed he can get a bit of ball and win a bit of contested ball and play thru the midfield. to date has shown he is not a clearance player. Hate to be critical of this player because i love his tenacity asking him to compete inside with his size is just unfair. Imo not the answer to our inside problems imo.
Bolton 23 - Has tracked along nicely. He has transitioned from primarily a fwd to primarily a mid who spends a bit of time fwd.
The last two seasons his clearance work has lifted to a good level and he has started to win enough contested ball.
At 175cm and not a big nuggety frame like say Prestia we are not expecting him to be a bash crash inside player.As mentioned before i think he is our new Edwards type of mid without the superb hands.
Collier - Dawkins 22 - Imo his overall body of work has been underwhelming. He shows glimpses like just about every kid who gets drafted does at 22 i am not depending on him to become a top notch mid and im planning the list that way.Where are we at idf he actually doesn't make it? We cannot ignore that question forever. We will know this year i suppose.
Thats 4 developing players. that is juniors we have considered deserve more development and we think they are or will become decent at worst.
JUNIOR MIDS 18 -21
Ross 21 - Just 21 but in year four now. People may not agree but he showed more three years ago than he does nowBig concerns about him and he just has not come on imo. Gotta ask is he an answer going fwd and if so im asking to what level will he achieve.
Then there is Dow Martyn and Ralphsmith all 20YO.
Well hugo should be a future winger for us. Dow is he a clearance contested ball player im not sure. i think he is a skilled player who can get a bit of ball and win a clearance here and there.
Martyn not shown much in the two games he took the field in. god knows what he will become a few knocks on his pace from some but if he can win a lot of inside ball and get to a lot of contests im not overly worried about his pace. I just dont picture him becoming a top end inside afl player hopefully a servicable player. What we are lacking with the big question marks surrounding RC-D and Ross are elite inside ball winning and clearance players.For me with the many vets with age and longevity its just too few and questionable eggs surrounding quality inside players on the list and it bit us hard last year.
For what it is worth based on GREATEST LIST NEEDS imo we should have gone Hobbs at 9 although my preference was Erasmus and JVR again based on greatest need at 17.
First of all there a no guarantees on Miller or Biggie and Balta is our only up and coming defender so it is a issue mate don't know we're your going there.
JVR wasn't a top 10 pick fullstop as you say go best available.This is a midfielders draft we still got 3 quality picks to come and can grab a forward 2 so how about you let the draft play out.
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I feel similar to claw on a lot of points, I do rate two dads as becoming a player though. Our forward pressure was garbage and the mids got kicked around like road kill this year. We got two good defenders, and gibcus looks fantastic player. Dunno much about Tom, was kinda under the radar, had my hopes on at least one top pick being a mid.
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He looks like he could be RCD's little brother.... :shh
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Both boys need to spend the summer in the gym lifting weights
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"Whatever it takes" - Brown
WATCH: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1033478/-whatever-it-takes-brown?videoId=1033478&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1637811993001
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Here's a red flag for ya
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Contested work
- Strength
In our backline? Sounds like a taller Naish.
Areal worry and when you think about the severe needs we overlooked here with great options available.
Claw, personally thought Hobbs was a better call ….?
People really can not blame others for voicing concern over our greatest needs being ignored.
Okay another tall defender was a need but it was nowhere near as severe a need for tall fwds.
Just look at the situation
Tall defenders - Tarrant 32, Balta 22, Grimes 30, Miller 22,Nyuon 20 and now Gibcus.
It really was an area that could wait another season if need, be but the likes of Miller and Nyuon and the age of Tarrant and Grimes make it a need still..
We obviously rated Gibcus very highly and id say he was the best rated player on our list at 9. Personally i wanted Erasmus or Hobbs here. I have wanted Erasmus from a long way out. He went next pick and Hobbs who would have addressed our ability win ball went at 13 both must have been in the area for us.
Compare that to our KEY FORWARD SITUATION.
Riewoldt 33 and most likely in his last year
Lynch 29 and he has had his share of injury concerns. I worry about his longevity in this.
Why do supporters just keep on ignoring this.
JVR was available and Melbourne took him just two picks later. he like Erasmus was very much about where we could have taken him.
Fmd JVR was clearly the bigger need by a huge margin but again i can only surmise the club went by their list of ratings at this pick its one i dont agree with and i really do hope they have got it right.
And if people think being belted at clearance and contested possesion every weak is okay then good on em. If people think we don't need mids going fwd and we don't need to improve contested and clearance ball then they just are kidding themselves.
The state of our mids. VETS 29 plus
Edwards 33 - light bodied small mid with great hands inside and evasiveness. cmon people he is close to retirement. Imo we have his replacement in Bolton. The injuries are starting as well, he has missed a lot of footy the last two seasons. He is one of the better clearance and contested players we have and he is 33.
Cotchin 31 - will be 32 a week into the season. While his role has changed a bit he remains one of our better clearance and contested ball winners
In recent years the last three he has begun to miss significant amounts of footy. Surely we are looking for his replacement time seems to be catching up fast.
Martin 30 - He aint getting any younger imo its unfair to expect him to get better and more likely he will gradually decline as father time catches up. Also will more likely in the back end of his career spend more time fwd. He is another who we rely on to win his share of contested ball and clearances.
Lambert 30 - Missed a lot of footy this year is it a sign of the years creeping up? He is a runner for us, basically not a big clearance player and wins enough contested ball to not make him too outside.
Pickett 30 - Is not a huge possesion winner or clearance player and is not a huge contested ball winner either.
Caddy 29 - Hmm imo lucky to be on the list. Has not been a big possession winner for us with few clearances and not a lot of contested ball. has played only 17 games in two seasons.
Prestia 29 - In his 11 seasons he has managed just three where he has played every game. He has consistently had injuries and we only got nine out of him last year and nine this year. Imo our best inside player and hes hardly on the park.When hes not there we lose so much contested ability and clearances.With the injuries you would think the club would not be thinking he is going to play too far into his thirties.
Thats a list of our vets and outside of Bolton and maybe Graham not one of the remaining mids we have looks like they will get anywhere near some the above ATM.
MATURE MIDS 25 to 28
McIntosh 27 - 28 in early april. Just a very average player with poor touch and footskills and we play him on a wing. Have always maintained we can and should do better than him. He is the only Mature mid we have.
DEVELOPING MIDS 22 -24
Graham 24 - He to date has not been a big possession winner he wins few clearances and his contested ball winning has been just okay.To my way of thinking he is not going to dominate contested ball and clearances and the stats back this up to date.
Baker 24 - Has played more as a defender for us. This year played a lot more as a mid and showed he can get a bit of ball and win a bit of contested ball and play thru the midfield. to date has shown he is not a clearance player. Hate to be critical of this player because i love his tenacity asking him to compete inside with his size is just unfair. Imo not the answer to our inside problems imo.
Bolton 23 - Has tracked along nicely. He has transitioned from primarily a fwd to primarily a mid who spends a bit of time fwd.
The last two seasons his clearance work has lifted to a good level and he has started to win enough contested ball.
At 175cm and not a big nuggety frame like say Prestia we are not expecting him to be a bash crash inside player.As mentioned before i think he is our new Edwards type of mid without the superb hands.
Collier - Dawkins 22 - Imo his overall body of work has been underwhelming. He shows glimpses like just about every kid who gets drafted does at 22 i am not depending on him to become a top notch mid and im planning the list that way.Where are we at idf he actually doesn't make it? We cannot ignore that question forever. We will know this year i suppose.
Thats 4 developing players. that is juniors we have considered deserve more development and we think they are or will become decent at worst.
JUNIOR MIDS 18 -21
Ross 21 - Just 21 but in year four now. People may not agree but he showed more three years ago than he does nowBig concerns about him and he just has not come on imo. Gotta ask is he an answer going fwd and if so im asking to what level will he achieve.
Then there is Dow Martyn and Ralphsmith all 20YO.
Well hugo should be a future winger for us. Dow is he a clearance contested ball player im not sure. i think he is a skilled player who can get a bit of ball and win a clearance here and there.
Martyn not shown much in the two games he took the field in. god knows what he will become a few knocks on his pace from some but if he can win a lot of inside ball and get to a lot of contests im not overly worried about his pace. I just dont picture him becoming a top end inside afl player hopefully a servicable player. What we are lacking with the big question marks surrounding RC-D and Ross are elite inside ball winning and clearance players.For me with the many vets with age and longevity its just too few and questionable eggs surrounding quality inside players on the list and it bit us hard last year.
For what it is worth based on GREATEST LIST NEEDS imo we should have gone Hobbs at 9 although my preference was Erasmus and JVR again based on greatest need at 17.
First of all there a no guarantees on Miller or Biggie and Balta is our only up and coming defender so it is a issue mate don't know we're your going there.
JVR wasn't a top 10 pick fullstop as you say go best available.This is a midfielders draft we still got 3 quality picks to come and can grab a forward 2 so how about you let the draft play out.
Jvr was available to us at pick 17 he went at pick 19 so someone rated him. Hmm the bigger need a key forward or a skinny hbf.
At least we have Balta a young player who is proven, and 100% no guarantees about Biggie and Miller but at least they are two young defenders actually on the list. What young Key forwards are there. The simple answer is none. ffs theres only Jack at 33 and Tom at 29 and you dont think we should at least have a few younger kids on the list developing.
You can kid yourself about it but key forward by some margin is the biggest single list deficiency we have.
Go look at the reserves list no genuine key forward to be seen!!! there is ruck/fwd Ryan and im already wondering if he is another in a long list of half ruck, half forward but not quite either.
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Exactly Claw.
If we had taken JVR I'd be much happier with the draft overall, unless one of our talls becomes a forward we are quite stuffed for KPFs unless we trade one in.
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From today's Age:
Tom Brown, the son of former Cat Paul Brown, is an excellent kick with elite agility who is keen to use his dash from half-back.
“They have already got some strong defenders in (Nick) Vlastuin, (Noah) Balta and all those sort of blokes, I can’t wait to get in and learn from them and gell with the backs,” Brown said.
“I feel like my agility and (ability to) read the play (is my strength). I am not sure of any of the game plans of Richmond, so we’ll have to wait and see.”
Brown’s father played 84 matches between 1990-98 for the Cats, including the 1994-95 losing grand finals, but he did not reach the three figures needed for his son to qualify as a father-son.
Tom remembers the night in grade six when his father was king hit outside a shop in Shepparton in country Victoria in 2015, leaving him unconscious with a skull fracture and bleeding on the brain. The offender was jailed for six years.
Brown has recovered well and played a big role in Tom’s development, and that of his older sister Millie, who joined the Cats as a father-daughter (AFLW rules mean a father only needs to have played one senior match for the daughter to qualify).
“He is rapt, he is thrilled for me to stay in Victoria,” Brown said of his father.
The Cats did not have a first-round selection, their first pick was No.24 (Toby Conway) so Brown’s hopes of joining a club he had barracked for were limited.
“I had no expectations going into the draft, I am just so thankful that Richmond picked me up. At the end of the day, they are the bigger cat, the Tigers,” the Murray Bushrangers’ product said.
Brown’s year was hindered by a syndesmosis ankle injury but that is now in the past, as he and Gibcus look forward to what awaits as professional athletes.
“I wasn’t sure whether I could go late first or in the second round, so it’s just a relief to finally find out, and the wait is over,” Brown said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/strong-defence-richmond-s-youth-movement-ready-for-senior-challenge-20211126-p59ce6.html
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RFC yet to address the pure elite mid-fielder need, and havent really had the draft capital to trade into the top 3 or 4.
Acknowledging that Sonsie would appear to be the Cotchin replacement. is that elite or more role player ?
In recognising that, there could be some forward planning to develop Tom Brown into a Callum Mills type as a defensive mid capable of rotation through the midfield when his body develops. And alot of things would need to go right for that to occur.
The current best 25 has 10 months to win another flag, and then this current premiership window shuts.
The question then becomes when can the next opportunity arise.
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I’m trying my best to remain optimistic. I think of teams which have dominated and with the exception of 1-2 players typically teams have a large number of hybrid midfielders. Either goal kicking mids or defensive mids not too dissimilar to the Frankenstein teams the AA committees put together. I think of a player like luke hodge or andrew McLeod who was more than capable of going into the guts to throw off opposition match ups.
I’m not saying brown can be that level but I understand the thought process. I’m going to trust that Bolton and RCD can be our full time extractors once our dusty/crotch/Riewoldt dynasty closes
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RCD, and Jack Ross need to step up this year
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RCD, and Jack Ross need to step up this year
Ain't that the truth, or probably delist.
RCD if he doesn't run out games in the midfield I would move him forwards.
Ross I'd say to him to put on 5kg over summer and stay inside as extractor only.
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In some ways Brown and Banks do address a list need to a small degree.
We only had Vlastuin as a medium defender at 187cm at least Banks and Brown who both look like they play a bit different to Nick and are more running types at least are mediums at 186cm and 187cm respectively.
No complaints with either of these kids but i am in Andyy's camp and think another mid or kpf at 17 and then taking Banks later as we did.
We actually drafted the BEST KPD according to most and already the club are talking about turning him into a fwd go figure. if they wanted a fwd they should have bloody well drafted one and a highly rated one was there at 17.
Let me make it clear im not having a go at the kids we took. I am questioning weather we took the right types with such a good opportunity to not only take highly rated kids but take highly regarded kids that addressed HIGHER LIST NEEDS.
In Tom Brown i hope we have a better version of Houli. someone who can win a bit of ball and for gods sake be much more able to defend an opponent.Whiule running the lines and using the ball well.
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In terms of a key forward I think we have to look at free agency now. Theres not enough time to develop one imo.
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Next year's draft is supposed some kind of super draft for talls.....and we'll probably trade out of it for Tom Green.... :shh
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I had a look theres not that many maybe 3 or 4 and if we finish towards the top we may not get a chance to get one unless we trade players for an early pick.
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Red flags go up when they rate him a outside player.
Bad feeling about this but I have to trust the panel on this one.
Further research on Tom suggests that my bad feeling was unfounded and the fact that some pundits saw him as an outside player didn't mean he didn't have an inside game.
Sorry Tom for my scepticism. You will have my support for the next 200 plus games you play for Richmond.
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Former Geelong player Paul Brown knew for several years his eldest son possessed considerable football ability, but it’s only been in more recent times that Tom Brown has acquired the necessary self-belief to flourish on-field.
The talented teenager thrived for NAB League team Murray Bushrangers, initially as a half-forward and then as a half-back, attracting the attention of a host of AFL recruiters along the way.
Brown senior explained his son’s football transformation since being moved to a half-back flank.
“I coached Tom early on and in primary school he was that perfect ruckman, a kick behind play. If he plonked himself there, he was going to mark it and I would say I need you to win the game, not stop the other team,” he said.
“Only this year, Mark Brown, who coaches him at the ‘Bushies’, said, ‘Where do you think Tom’s best position is’ and I said, ‘It’s about time you guys asked. It’s half-back’.
“For the handful of games they played him there, they could see he could read the play, was a good kick, and was quick off the mark.
“He’s taking the game on a bit, which he didn’t do as a kid.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1036231/young-tiger-tom-finds-his-niche
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Hopefully I don't mozz him, but out of our new draftees it wouldn't surprise me if Brown ends up playing the most games this year (barring injury of course). Just has natural footy smarts based on the training sessions I've watched so far.
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pick 17 a hbf where do people see him playing and where does that leave the likes of rioli and Short.Theres also pick 29 in Banks another hbf.
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Dimma seems to rate Brown. Said if Browny hadn't had a covid issue which meant he missed the intra-club then he wouldn't be far behind Gibcus. Played the Geelong game and the VFL game on the weekend which he played really well in.
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Another i would not hesitate to throw in the deep end. It won't happen because dimma's favorite son Rioli will be gifted more games at hb.
There is always a price playing favorites in others positions. The others don't get games and the experience that goes with that.
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If Rioli plays like he did in the latter half of 2021 I have no issue with him holding down a HBF spot
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Claw knows better than the football department on every single issue.
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HeraldSun saying Tom Brown could make a surprise debut on Thursday night.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/round-1-looms-injury-and-selection-news-ahead-of-the-first-game-of-the-afl-season/news-story/c47ae31003395ab017ac30f0abe4cfb2
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Has he shot up in height?
Draft profile says 186cm whereas Richmond FC site is now listing him at 193cm. If that’s accurate, I’d be even more bullish on him, could become a hybrid defender capable of playing on forwards of all size. For comparison Balta is listed at 194cm, Grimes 193cm, Broad 192cm, Vlas 187cm.
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Has he shot up in height?
Draft profile says 186cm whereas Richmond FC site is now listing him at 193cm. If that’s accurate, I’d be even more bullish on him, could become a hybrid defender capable of playing on forwards of all size. For comparison Balta is listed at 194cm, Grimes 193cm, Broad 192cm, Vlas 187cm.
The footy app I use has him listed as 193/81 and it seems to get updated from time to time.
Cotchin down to 183cm though which is odd lol.
They've also listed Balta as 194/105 which is even more weight gain. He was 102 at the start of the year + last year and 100 in 2021
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As posted by Willy in the team thread:
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Tom Brown will debut for the Club in the final-round clash.
Brown was selected by Richmond with pick No. 17 in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft from the Murray Bushrangers.
The 193cm defender missed the first half of this year with a persistent wrist injury, but has been staking his claim for a 2023 debut after building excellent form in the VFL.
In his 10 outings through the remaining half of the VFL season, the 20-year-old has averaged 19 disposals per game, his decision-making and contest work, both in the air and at ground level, key features of his game.
Tigers' VFL coach Steve Morris said Brown was ready for his opportunity on the big stage after an 18-disposal, six-mark performance against North Melbourne last weekend.
"He used the ball brilliantly throughout the game," Morris said.
"His decision-making and ball use is at a high level at AFL standard, and when he's playing at VFL level it really stands out."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1414728/two-to-debut-in-final-round
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He's our grimes replacement. Glad he's getting a go, hope he performs well.
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1414906/brown-calls-his-parents
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1414906/brown-calls-his-parents
His Dad is Paul not Tom :lol
Paul Brown who played for Geelong
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
Delist immediately. :thumbsdown
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Good luck to him. Deserves his chance
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
Delist immediately. :thumbsdown
Weird innit.
Mate of mine calls his dad by his name John.
Does my head in.
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
Delist immediately. :thumbsdown
Weird innit.
Mate of mine calls his dad by his name John.
Does my head in.
I call my mother “mum” 99% of the time and occasionally call her Val-ree for fun (name is Valerie)
Calling parents by name full time is disrespectful in my opinion .. but his parents clearly don’t care
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Browny calling his parents Tom and Angela (calls them by their first names):
Delist immediately. :thumbsdown
Weird innit.
Mate of mine calls his dad by his name John.
Does my head in.
I call my mother “mum” 99% of the time and occasionally call her Val-ree for fun (name is Valerie)
Calling parents by name full time is disrespectful in my opinion .. but his parents clearly don’t care
Probably weird parents Damo. Lefty types with green and pink hair.
The old man did play for geelong so that itself says a lot.
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I call my mother “mum” 99% of the time and occasionally call her Val-ree for fun (name is Valerie)
Calling parents by name full time is disrespectful in my opinion .. but his parents clearly don’t care
I started calling my Mum by her first name or her nickname from when I was about 25 until she passed away. She didn't care, she loved it. It started out as a bit of running joke as she always said to people who called Mrs Ryan "don't call me that just call me Thel" .
One day I said what about me? She laughed and said you can call me Thel but you have to call Mrs Ryan for a week first :lol. So I did :laugh: . Still called her Mum on certain occasions.
And no she wasn't some lefty with green or pink hair.
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I call my mother “mum” 99% of the time and occasionally call her Val-ree for fun (name is Valerie)
Calling parents by name full time is disrespectful in my opinion .. but his parents clearly don’t care
I started calling my Mum by her first name or her nickname from when I was about 25 until she passed away. She didn't care, she loved it. It started out as a bit of running joke as she always said to people who called Mrs Ryan "don't call me that just call me Thel" .
One day I said what about me? She laughed and said you can call me Thel but you have to call Mrs Ryan for a week first :lol. So I did :laugh: . Still called Mum on certain occasions.
And no she wasn't some lefty with green or pink hair.
My step kids used to call me Andy/dad 50-50 and one day my first born son called me Andy and it killed me a bit. Maybe because being a step parent is often so unrewarding and so much worse than being a real parent when the ex is still in the picture just enough to be difficult but never enough to make a good impact.
Had never wanted to ask my kids to call me dad if they didn't want to but after that I asked them to, at least in front of my bio son. They did and it's all been sweet since thankfully. Also helps they're figuring out their bio dad is a useless tosser (and pie supporter) who lives with his parents at 30 and moved 3 hours away from his own kids.
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I call my mother “mum” 99% of the time and occasionally call her Val-ree for fun (name is Valerie)
Calling parents by name full time is disrespectful in my opinion .. but his parents clearly don’t care
I started calling my Mum by her first name or her nickname from when I was about 25 until she passed away. She didn't care, she loved it. It started out as a bit of running joke as she always said to people who called Mrs Ryan "don't call me that just call me Thel" .
One day I said what about me? She laughed and said you can call me Thel but you have to call Mrs Ryan for a week first :lol. So I did :laugh: . Still called Mum on certain occasions.
And no she wasn't some lefty with green or pink hair.
My step kids used to call me Andy/dad 50-50 and one day my first born son called me Andy and it killed me a bit. Maybe because being a step parent is often so unrewarding and so much worse than being a real parent when the ex is still in the picture just enough to be difficult but never enough to make a good impact.
Had never wanted to ask my kids to call me dad if they didn't want to but after that I asked them to, at least in front of my bio son. They did and it's all been sweet since thankfully. Also helps they're figuring out their bio dad is a useless tosser (and pie supporter) who lives with his parents at 30 and moved 3 hours away from his own kids.
Sounds a loser Andy. Always had respect for step Dad's and Mums. Good on ya mate
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Looking forward to seeing how he performs today. Would be handy if he turns into a solid player as he is a good size and hits targets.
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Looking forward to seeing how he performs today. Would be handy if he turns into a solid player as he is a good size and hits targets.
6/4 81kg and hits targets? Must be a mistake. Good luck to him
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Been really impressed. Looks very comfortable both with and without footy.
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Yup doesn’t look overawed at all. Should cement his spot down back next season.
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Can replace Grimes
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Better than many players, some are on 7 year deals :shh
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Shat the bed in the last qtr. disappointing
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Thought he was good
Last quarter he panicked alot
Was obviously following the co-captain's lead
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Promising, got tired in the end and wasn't helped by some of the idiots around him. Does have the potential to actually improve the side. :shh
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Browny's stats on debut:
16 disposals (12k, 4h, 6c, 10u, 87.5% eff.)
6 marks
No tackles
2 inside 50s
306 metres gained
6 intercepts
2 score involvements
81% time on ground
At half-time Brown had 9 disposals @ 100% efficiency.
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Very solid first up game and did well noting he tired in the last.
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Young player to watch: Tom Brown
Tom Brown played the final game of 2023 and looked fairly comfortable at the elite level.
The club is quite keen on the 20-year-old who was taken with Pick 17 in the 2021 draft.
There could be a spot for Brown in the back six with his toughness and composed ball use the key features of his game.
Source: Heraldsun[/i] (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/12/20/emerging-stars-and-redemption-stories-the-players-from-your-club-who-will/)
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Good step forward from Brown today. Played well i thought as we all know how good he is when kicking, he contest work when required was the standout for me.
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Convinced me he is ready to play and belongs at the level. My question is do we have the balls to start backing a few of these kids in.
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Tom Brown drafted pick 17 2021.
Okay for me he like Banks had three problems they were called D Rioli, Broad and Vlastuin. Other areas were him growing into his body and still is by all accounts. He was extremely skinny as is Banks, he has had injury problems, on top of that this year is his first full preseason.
I dont mind him as a player i think there is lots of upside to him in fact i see enough quality to suggest its in the seniors we need to develop him.
Will say i was not a fan when we drafted him and i still think where we got him there were players who clearly addressed more severe list needs but that is not Tom Browns fault.
This kid is a lovely ball user a good mover over the ground and will defend a player well.For me i think we need to get games into him even if the club comes out and says we are having a tilt this year. Not playing kids will set us back even further.
To get games into some of the kids we have to either move players into other positions or not play them at all.
There is a desperate need for ball use pace and ball winning ability part of that is finding wingers with the right attributes.
we need to find natural fwds and try and develop talls.
Personally we can kill two birds with one stone simply by moving Rioli to a wing and Brown into his hb spot as a running back.
For me the Vlastuin Broad Rioli excuse is no longer valid it is incumbent on the club to find ways to get games into some of the kids.
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For me he will always be the 'should have taken JVR' guy
Hope he comes good though. Been growing vertically so not expecting much horizontal change yet
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I agree with the consensus he needs to play - has some class, has grown into a good size, play him and let him develop in the seniors
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Needs games we can't keep going to same well and expecting a different outcome.
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Has to play showed good signs.
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Has to play showed good signs.
Keeper
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Agree with above 2 posts. Shows a bit.
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Seems to have some composure and skill which is a rarity in this team.
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Can play this kid.....#JVRwho? :shh
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I watched all bar the first 10m of Q3 when we kicked several goals.
Will need to see if I can watch the replay, may have been too stressed/ducking out for smokes to notice this bloke but apparently he had 10 touches?
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Play this guy for the rest of the year regardless. His kicking ability is something else- it's pure. His defensive work will improve but guys who can kick are like gold. Very happy with him so far.
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If he's a great kick why don't we try him in the forward line?
I know we need a Grimes/Broad replacement but I still think Balta's best spot is in defense. With Young and Miller there we are covered for height and athleticism.
Mind you if Lynch is about to miss games we will be very light on talent up forward relying on Kosi and Lefau.
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Give Tom Brown the keys, a highlights compilation.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/pad_nauseum/status/1774589015980965973
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'Over the moon' - Brown
Hear from Tom Brown after the Tiger 5 point win.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1519883/over-the-moon-brown
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Love his ball use. Looks like a keeper.
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Class above......#JackVanWho? :shh
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Jet
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Actually really strong overhead as well
Impressive
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He's a gun IMO.
At his height, with his hands and kicking, I don't see why we can't try him forward.
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Such a good kick and is already out marking bigger forwards.
Looks like we’ve got a a srs player on our hands.
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Next Vlas for mine. Really like him and played a great game today.
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Where did he play as a junior?
Given how crap our forward line is I just can't believe we wouldn't try him forward.
Marks, kicking is a thing of beauty, decent height.
Could be the next Jack Riewoldt.
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Played defence has a jnr.
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Love this kid .. future captain.. just does everything right
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Where did he play as a junior?
Given how crap our forward line is I just can't believe we wouldn't try him forward.
Marks, kicking is a thing of beauty, decent height.
Could be the next Jack Riewoldt.
He’s played defence all his life by all accounts. Let’s not move him around for a short term fix and stuff up his development. We’ve lamented this with other players in the past. We’ve just got to do the best with the fwds we have (including balta which for better or worse has already been shifted) and look to draft and develop or trade in some forwards for the future.
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Love this kid .. future captain...
..of Geelong.... :shh
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKmtek-boAEayKG?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Brown had 18 disposals, 10 contested possessions, four marks, a team-high nine intercepts, five tackles and 354 metres gained in what was just his fourth appearance at the game’s highest level.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1525821/brown-looking-good-in-yellow-and-black
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/TomBrownR42024.gif)
:clapping
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Needs to stay in the team
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/TomBrownR42024.gif)
:clapping
RFC porn right there
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He is the future. Grimes is not . Playing this kid is an absolute priority
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1547126/we-just-gotta-continue-to-get-better-brown
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Given a bath by Dempsey tonight.
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Given a bath by Dempsey tonight.
Dempsey plays on the wing? Hugo played on him. Brown played on Stengle alot?
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Given a bath by Dempsey tonight.
Dempsey plays on the wing? Hugo played on him. Brown played on Stengle alot?
Either way he was well beaten. Dempsey played forward by the way.
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Still just a kid!
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Given a bath by Dempsey tonight.
Dempsey plays on the wing? Hugo played on him. Brown played on Stengle alot?
Ummmm.....no.
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Least of our worries - bit soft at times but not always and at least the elite kicking ability appears to actually be real rather than mythical unlike Shortsteps.... :shh
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Looked exhausted , like most of the kids , need another pew season by the looks of it
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The young Tiger that caught David King’s eye most was 20-year-old Tom Brown who had 16 disposals at 87 per cent efficiency to go with 11 intercepts.
The former No.17 draft pick stands out most for his beautiful kicking style and ability to find a target, and King expects Brown to develop into an absolute star with the more opportunities he gets.
“They’ve got a ripper in Tom Brown,” King said on SEN Breakfast.
“He's going to be a beauty, the son of (former Geelong player) Paul Brown. He had 11 intercepts for the night.
“He's got class, he's got poise, he actually makes the right decision every time.
“I know he's a beautiful kick and everyone talks about his actual kicking efficiency and his style.
“But he can kick the ball 50 metres off one or two steps - he’s one of those guys - and he sees things that others don't.
“I think he's going to be an absolute star. What a steal he is at the selection they got him.”
Source: SEN
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Thought his kicking was dreadful in the first half- asked at the time -is it a myth like Shortsteps but he proved me wrong in the second...Goulden-like, hell even Darren Jarman would've been proud....still has things to work on though,...disagree that he always makes the right decisions .....doesn't always go when it's his turn and can get himself into a bit of a panicky tangle when the opposition closes in on him.... :shh
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He has style, he has flair, he was there!
That's how he became the Brownnny .... :cheers
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Thought his kicking was dreadful in the first half- asked at the time -is it a myth like Shortsteps but he proved me wrong in the second...Goulden-like, hell even Darren Jarman would've been proud....still has things to work on though,...disagree that he always makes the right decisions .....doesn't always go when it's his turn and can get himself into a bit of a panicky tangle when the opposition closes in on him.... :shh
Great summation
Agree on all points
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Seems like the media have latched on to him being a beautiful kick. Seems like every time he touches it, it gets mentioned lol
There was 1 effort in the third where the ball was turned over and he didn’t run back anywhere near hard enough. Will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was gassed. If it wasn’t for the 9 day break followed by the bye I’d consider managing him against the hawks but he should be good to go.
Still excited by him, looks like he could be a top player.
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As WP said in the main game thread, Brown and his 3 goals was a rare positive out of today.
Welcome to Brown town
Before Sunday's contest, Tom Brown had never kicked an AFL goal. After Sunday's contest, he now has three to his name. On an afternoon where goals were hard to come by, the 18-gamer was dangerous in front of goals, and his teammates' celebrations showed just how much they valued his contributions. Every player on the field flocked to Brown when he kicked his maiden major from outside 50. In a bleak season for the Tigers, the maturation of Brown has been a positive.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1183098/match-report-collingwood-magpies-v-richmopies-back-on-winners-list-with-clinical-win-over-tigersnd-tigers).
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Where did he play as a junior?
Given how crap our forward line is I just can't believe we wouldn't try him forward.
Marks, kicking is a thing of beauty, decent height.
Could be the next Jack Riewoldt.
Called it!
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Where did he play as a junior?
Given how crap our forward line is I just can't believe we wouldn't try him forward.
Marks, kicking is a thing of beauty, decent height.
Could be the next Jack Riewoldt.
Called it!
Van Rooyen could never!
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Will seek a trade to Geelong
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Will seek a trade to Geelong
As long as he takes you with him- same colours as your real team..... :shh
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Will seek a trade to Geelong
Holmes
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3 goals from 8 possessions, cue the AArgHhRrghHhh
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3 goals from 8 possessions, cue the AArgHhRrghHhh
Take away the goals and it's just unacceptable.... :rant
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Only positive from otherwise bleak afternoon
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Out for the season - Lukey Pookey strikes again!
(https://y.yarn.co/5c90a87c-472c-456a-85f0-098889edafdf_text.gif)
:shh
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Seen enough to know he's good. Ice for 2025
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Any team wanting to tank next year will be after Louie big time
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the club wonders why people arent rocking up when they have hacks like magic man in charge of players health.
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What's he done?
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Ankle
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Tom Brown with his right arm in a sling tonight at the JDM.
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Tom Brown with his right arm in a sling tonight at the JDM.
lmao...the magic is still lingering.... :facepalm
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Apparently he’s shrunk by 6cms too
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Tom Brown with his right arm in a sling tonight at the JDM.
Yep shoulder reco
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Tom Brown with his right arm in a sling tonight at the JDM.
Yep shoulder reco
Not good WP
Will he be right for pre season ?
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Tom Brown with his right arm in a sling tonight at the JDM.
Yep shoulder reco
Not good WP
Will he be right for pre season ?
Think he might have had to get both done.
As for pre season, going by what ive been told about shoulder recos in the past he ahpild be right for the non contact stuff
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Every AFL club’s 2025 breakout star
Will Faulkner and Jack Jovanovski
Fox Sports
October 26th, 2024
Richmond - Tom Brown
The 21-year-old’s pure kicking skills have been a marvel throughout his first 19 AFL outings, and the best is yet to come. While he was trialled in the forward half to end this season just gone, Brown best projects as a mid-sized interceptor with promising rebounding capabilities. The 19-gamer’s play style mimics that of premiership stalwart Nick Vlastuin — which should have Tigers supporters grinning from ear to ear — and heading into year four, a true coming-of-age campaign from the Murray Bushrangers product should be on the cards. With Daniel Rioli departed, Dylan Grimes retired and Vlastuin and Nathan Broad now into their twilight years, the door of opportunity is wide open for Brown to take the reins of this back six for years to come.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-every-clubs-breakout-star-for-2025-best-young-players-and-rising-stars-harley-reid-will-ashcroft-riley-thilthorpe-analysis-opinion-latest-news/news-story/1a3c3c26bc16be20905bccece8dce608
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(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/11/13/ee8d87fe-5f85-4232-aaf3-4a1b7db67672/sniQpSFa.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1692928/im-hungry-to-prove-more-brown)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1692928/im-hungry-to-prove-more-brown
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Tom Brown.
Been out of contact training due to double shoulder surgery all pre, re-joined contact Monday.
Understand his laconic nature, but I’d like to see more intensity in his play.
No doubt has skill. Needs urgency, blokes like K.Smith are clipping at his heels.
https://x.com/RFC_Centre/status/1889590277037244692
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Tom Brown on Nova's Jase & Lauren
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2025/03/07/6b954dd6-2646-4e5c-99f3-603d7fcafc62/OlHS6e5E.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1726491/tom-brown-on-novas-jase-lauren)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1726491/tom-brown-on-novas-jase-lauren
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Tom Brown's game today:
24 disposals (17k, 7h, 8c, 14u, 79.2% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
1 clearances
584m gained
1 inside 50
8 intercepts
2 score involvements
1 behind
89% gametime
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Will become a genuine gun
Not the K-mart variety
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Yup! One of the cubs who will be there when we start contending again.
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According to Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data.
Tom Brown is ranked:
#55 in the AFL.
#35 in terms of using the footy.
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According to Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data.
Tom Brown is ranked:
#55 in the AFL.
#35 in terms of using the footy.
5 - Tom Brown (Richmond)
“He’s going really well, has risen 173 places this year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/04/22/champion-datas-biggest-risers-and-fallers-of-2025-so-far