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Title: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 08, 2023, 09:42:31 PM
Hardwick leaps to Lynch's defence after Keath collision

Oliver Caffrey and Shayne Hope
AAP
8 April 2023


A fuming Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has leapt to the defence of Tom Lynch as the star forward gets set to come under scrutiny for a collision that left Alex Keath concussed.

The Western Bulldogs defender was subbed out of his team's five-point win at the MCG on Saturday early in the first quarter after clashing with Lynch.

Keath was backing into a marking contest at halfback when Lynch ran under the ball and made contact with the former first-class cricketer.

Hardwick was perplexed at the thought Lynch could be in any sort of trouble with the match review officer when asked about the incident after the match.

"What for?," Hardwick said.

"I don't know what incident you're talking about."

When pressed further on the issue during a testy exchange, Hardwick said it was a "marking contest".

Hardwick scoffed when told it was raised during Fox Footy's broadcast of the match that Lynch could be in any trouble for the incident.

"If it's raised on the broadcast ... I've listened to the broadcast recently, they're not great," he replied.

"For being tough in the contest? No, I wouldn't have thought (Lynch would be in trouble)."

Lynch was on fire early, kicking the Tigers' only two goals of the first term, but was barely sighted for the rest of the match.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/hardwick-leaps-to-lynch-s-defence-after-keath-collision/ar-AA19C9IJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b78968f711384335ac1cdaae70de5850&ei=14
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 09:46:04 PM
Keath was backing into a marking contest at halfback when Lynch ran under the ball and made contact with the former first-class cricketer.
Huh? Relevance?

Lol. ChatGPT wrote this article?
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: one-eyed on April 08, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
Here's the vision of the "incident":

WATCH: https://www.afl.com.au/video/899242/dogs-defender-out-with-concussion


Nothing Lynch has to worry about :huh3.


Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 10:04:24 PM
Here's the vision of the "incident":

WATCH: https://www.afl.com.au/video/899242/dogs-defender-out-with-concussion


Nothing Lynch has to worry about :huh3.
I reckon Lynch only has eyes for the football there until the very last second when he protects himself. Meanwhile, Keath never looked like he was competing for the mark in a meaningful way. He was just running into the path of the ball pretty aimlessly without much awareness or purpose. He must've really misjudged the flight of the ball to put himself in the position he did.
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 08, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
I think Jones needs to be accountable as well, he pushes Lynch into Keath
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: Andyy on April 08, 2023, 11:17:39 PM
Didn't see a push myself WP.

Looks like Tom was out of position or misreading the drop and braces for impact with Keath running backwards.

Should be nothing to worry about regardless
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 08, 2023, 11:29:09 PM
I think Jones needs to be accountable as well, he pushes Lynch into Keath

Nope.
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: JP Tiger on April 08, 2023, 11:59:54 PM
Lynch had eyes only for the ball right up until the point of impact.  Just before impact (a split second) Lynch dropped his eyes off the ball but still never even looked at Keath coming the other way.  Trying your absolute hardest to clean up another player with a shoulder without ever looking at them is pretty much impossible ...    ::)
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 04:36:31 PM
I've split the Lynch/Keath "incident" to its own thread here, so it's not mixed up with discussion about Lynch's injury.
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
"I thought he came across as a sore loser."

@kanecornes calls out Damien Hardwick's response to questions about Tom Lynch, who looks to be in MRO trouble.

WATCH: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1644864115163410433

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'Came across a sore loser': Damien Hardwick grilled over prickly exchange with journo

By Chris De Silva
Nine WWOS
9 April 2023


Kane Cornes has criticised Damien Hardwick's exchange with a journalist after the Tigers coach took offence to being asked about Tom Lynch's bump on Alex Keath, saying he "came across as a sore loser".

Lynch is facing the prospect of a suspension after his bump on Keath resulted in the Bulldogs defender being subbed out of the game in the first quarter through concussion.

Hardwick was questioned by a reporter on his thoughts on the incident, but dodged the question and took a swipe at the broadcast instead, an act which did not sit well with Cornes, a former teammate of his.

"I thought he came across as a sore loser," he told Nine's AFL Sunday Footy Show.

"He clearly knew what the journalist was asking him about and the incident he was referring to, so he played dumb in that moment.

"It's nothing personal with Damien Hardwick. I just think if he had his time again, in the current landscape of football, it's clear that it's going to be a talking point."

Cornes also took aim at Lynch for opting to bump Keath in that situation as opposed to going up for a marking attempt.

"Lynch will miss a game for that, he will get suspended. He had an alternative to mark and he chose to bump," he said.

"Alex Keath is subbed out of the game in the first quarter through concussion and obviously the journalist is not doing his job if he didn't ask that question.

"That's not being tough in a marking contest. That is Tom Lynch once again having an alternative other than marking the footy.

Lynch is likely to be suspended by the MRO for this act which saw Alex Keath subbed out of the game with a concussion (Nine)
"He couldn't mark the footy, he chooses to bump and clearly in today's environment that is going to be looked at, and Damien Hardwick should've been conscious that was going to be a question that was going to come his way post-game."

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2023-damien-hardwick-labelled-sore-loser-over-tom-lynch-mro-response/9bc68170-be6b-4b82-8827-ee4e873b79c8?ocid=Social-AFLFS
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 04:59:13 PM
Seems the day for trial by clickbait clowns in media ::).

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Tom Lynch could be sent straight to tribunal

Jay Clark
HeraldSun
April 9, 2023 - 3:33PM


Lynch could be sent straight to the tribunal for concussing Bulldog Alex Keath in a heavy collision on Saturday.

The Tigers face the prospect of losing Lynch for three matches in a massive blow to the club after a slow start to the season.

Lynch was in a marking contest when he jumped off the ground and braced himself for contact to Keath, collecting him to the head.

Keath was concussed, removed from the game, and will miss next weekend’s match.

It means Lynch’s bump, as per the AFL guidelines, could be graded as careless contact, high contact and severe impact, which would mean he is referred straight to the tribunal.

At the tribunal he would face a minimum three-game suspension, sidelining Lynch for games against Sydney Swans, Melbourne and Gold Coast if he is not cleared on grounds he made a genuine attempt to win the football.

The Lynch match review grading would be consistent with the league’s stance on concussions and brain injuries this season, as Kysaiah Pickett’s bump on Bailey Smith was graded as high impact, triggering a two-match ban.

In that incident Smith bounced to his feet and played on.

The Lynch bump on Keath was worse as Keath was concussed and will miss another match against Port Adelaide under league protocols.

At the tribunal he Tigers will likely try and get Lynch off the charge by arguing it was not careless conduct, but accidental contact as part of a genuine attempt to win the ball.

However, Lynch did not touch the Sherrin and was not pushed into Keath.

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/mro-news-tom-lynch-could-be-sent-straight-to-tribunal-for-hit-on-alex-keath/news-story/ff9bbcd454fd4a50054cbc18b9a0244f
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2023, 05:10:38 PM
James Sicily perfectly described the pathetic media these days on the Sunday Footy Show this morning.

"Too many opinions, too many journos."

:yep.
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: amc11 on April 09, 2023, 06:15:55 PM
Even Tom Browne is displaying more common sense than Cornes and Clarke.

https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1644854230682046464
Title: Lynch to face tribunal (RFC site)
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 06:57:44 PM
Lynch to face tribunal

richmondfc.com.au
9 April 2023


Richmond forward Tom Lynch will front the AFL Tribunal this week following a collision in a marking contest during yesterday's loss to the Western Bulldogs.

Lynch was cited for contact with Alex Keath in the opening term of Saturday’s five-point loss, which saw the Bulldog defender subbed out of the match.

Lynch has been charged with rough conduct (first offence) following the Match Review Officer's review of the game.

The offence has been graded as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1303840/lynch-to-face-tribunal
Title: Re: Will Lynch be in trouble with the MRO?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 09, 2023, 07:00:08 PM
Lol if I was him I wouldn’t even bother showing up. Let them ban him as long as they want, he won’t be playing anyway. Will send a big middle finger to the AFL and their crappy MRO and tribunal system.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: The Machine on April 09, 2023, 07:01:42 PM
Could have gone for the mark but went the bump. Poor play by Tom.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Go Richo 12 on April 09, 2023, 07:22:03 PM
Could have gone for the mark but went the bump. Poor play by Tom.
That’s a little harsh. He probably went in to spoil or at least create a contest. It’s not all about taking a mark.
Title: Re: Lynch to face tribunal (RFC site)
Post by: Knighter on April 09, 2023, 07:32:09 PM
Lynch to face tribunal

richmondfc.com.au
9 April 2023


Richmond forward Tom Lynch will front the AFL Tribunal this week following a collision in a marking contest during yesterday's loss to the Western Bulldogs.

Lynch was cited for contact with Alex Keath in the opening term of Saturday’s five-point loss, which saw the Bulldog defender subbed out of the match.

Lynch has been charged with rough conduct (first offence) following the Match Review Officer's review of the game.

The offence has been graded as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1303840/lynch-to-face-tribunal

Lynch should turn up and tell them all to stuff off
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2023, 07:41:52 PM
Could have gone for the mark but went the bump. Poor play by Tom.
Players have a duty of care to themselves as well. If you put yourself in a stupid dangerous situation where you are likely to get cleaned up then don't blame an opponent who collides heavily with you.

https://twitter.com/CarltonFCBlues/status/1644620155576782848

The above reverse angle vision shows Keath putting himself dangerously in no-man's land in front of the oncoming pack with no chance of getting to the ball. The fact he tries all too late to bail out and takes his eyes off the ball shows he has totally misjudged the flight of the ball. No way could Lynch have avoided him and no way is the collision Lynch's fault. In fact, bracing for the collision probably saved Keath from broken ribs or a lost kidney if Lynch has gone with his knees up for the mark.   

If Dangerfield had nothing to answer for despite Vlastuin being knocked out with a raised arm because both players were running in opposite directions in the 2020 GF, then so should Lynch here. You can't have different rules for different players because one is the AFL and media's darling and the other is the AFL and media's constant whipping boy.   
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 09, 2023, 08:21:01 PM

The above reverse angle vision shows Keath putting himself dangerously in no-man's land in front of the oncoming pack with no chance of getting to the ball. The fact he tries all too late to bail out and takes his eyes off the ball shows he has totally misjudged the flight of the ball. No way could Lynch have avoided him and no way is the collision Lynch's fault. In fact, bracing for the collision probably saved Keath from broken ribs or a lost kidney if Lynch has gone with his knees up for the mark.   

If Dangerfield had nothing to answer for despite Vlastuin being knocked out with a raised arm because both players were running in opposite directions in the 2020 GF, then so should Lynch here. You can't have different rules for different players because one is the AFL and media's darling and the other is the AFL and media's constant whipping boy.

Firstly, I got it wrong re Jones pushing. There was incident prior that Jones gave a little push

On to this farcical situation

You've hit the nail on the proverbial head MT

If Lynch doesn't brace the damage to Keath would have been a helluva lot worse. That not one Bulldogs player remonstrated shows they didn't think it was malicious but just a footy accident

The AFL needs to stop worrying about the media and its need for a headline and witch-hunts and actually understand that it is still (for now) a contact sport and accident will happen.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: TigerLand on April 09, 2023, 09:20:02 PM
Couldn't agree more MT and WP.

I'm concerned that the AFL wont.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: georgies31 on April 10, 2023, 01:44:28 AM
The media bashing started after the game and propaganda.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2023, 04:58:47 AM
Got those keen to assess the Lynch report through still photos, what is Keath looking at here, assuming he’s running in to mark a ball that at this time is 45degrees up and to his left?
#MRO #AFL

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtRXj9caIAEaDwq?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1645036046852427776
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2023, 06:31:52 AM
Dr Peter Larkins tweetL:

I agree Steven - I regularly defend @afl positions- but this one has me confused @TomLynch19 didn’t have much option- expect common sense to prevail

https://twitter.com/doclarkins/status/1645036060739801088
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 10, 2023, 11:08:12 AM
Keath was trying to block Lynch IMO.

That much is clear.

Lynch probably realised he was out of position for the ball drop and just braced for the usual BS he cops every stuffing contest.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Willy on April 10, 2023, 12:37:25 PM
Could have gone for the mark but went the bump. Poor play by Tom.

You are having a laugh surely?

Lynch got run under the contest then he saw Keith flying in from a dangerous angle (despite Keith having no real prospect of marking) and so Lynch braced himself.

It wasn’t even worth a free kick.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: the claw on April 10, 2023, 01:32:04 PM
Not sure if it has been said but if he does not Brace he also leaves himself open to injury in that circumstance.You are allowed to protect yourself aren't ya.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 10, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Not sure if it has been said but if he does not Brace he also leaves himself open to injury in that circumstance.You are allowed to protect yourself aren't ya.

I did say that as did MT

Lynch doesn't brace and the damage to Keath would have been so much worse

By bracing he has actually mitigated the damage to Keath
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Broadsword on April 10, 2023, 02:49:56 PM
Keath is so out of position here it's not remotely funny. He has misjudged the flight of the ball and is not actively competing for it. Sure, players have a duty of care for other players on the field, but what about Keath's duty of care to himself? Does he walk in front of speeding traffic without looking and expect drivers who hit him to be held accountable?
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2023, 06:17:37 PM
Has the umpire made A Bad decision? twitter account:

I think the  umpire got this right.

Lynch is attempting to contest and braces himself last second seeing oncoming contact.

No free kick applicable.

Not commenting re tribunal....that's for @AFLTribunalexpl

https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1645262465989746688
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 10, 2023, 06:35:02 PM
Looks familiar? This was only the weekend before. Witherden concussed going back with the flight like Keath yet no MRO, no report, no tribunal & no media outrage  ::).

Click on pic/link to watch video:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtUrhLmaIAAnNsn?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/StephenMatela/status/1645235910634786816)
https://twitter.com/StephenMatela/status/1645235910634786816


Just further evidence Lynch's report is nothing but a witch hunt against Lynch and Richmond cheered on by the media :thumbsdown.


Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: MintOnLamb on April 11, 2023, 07:14:36 AM
Nothing to answer for IMHO.

Does anyway know what is the ruling if he is injured and cops 2 weeks?

2 week suspension when he comes back from injury??
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2023, 08:23:29 AM
Nothing to answer for IMHO.

Does anyway know what is the ruling if he is injured and cops 2 weeks?

2 week suspension when he comes back from injury??


No, it's concurrent, so doesn't really matter.

But it's the principal.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2023, 08:36:42 AM
Nothing to answer for IMHO.

Does anyway know what is the ruling if he is injured and cops 2 weeks?

2 week suspension when he comes back from injury??


No, it's concurrent, so doesn't really matter.

But it's the principal.

I should add it wouldn't surprise me if they give him 4 weeks knowing full well that it doesn't matter, just to 'take a stand' on concussion etc.

The footage of Witherden the week before is bloody damning and infuriating.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 11, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
Must have missed where this was sent to the tribunal as "careless, high and severe contact" after leaving Vlastuin knocked out.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtZCNn5aYAEZZyP?format=jpg&name=900x900)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtZBWxkagAEBCdl?format=jpg&name=360x360)

#OneRuleForSomeAnotherForRichmondPlayers  ::)

Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2023, 03:24:41 PM
Difference is he got to the ball.

Lynch was nowhere near it. Completely out of position.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Fox Footy pundits on Sunday night were split on whether Lynch should be banned.

“I think you‘ve got to work out did he choose to bump at all. I find it really difficult to say he did or didn’t,” dual premiership Kangaroo David King told Fox Footy’s First Crack.

“I‘m not absolutely sure that he decided to take the player … I’m the hardest on it (protecting the head), but I’ve got grey area.”

But dual All-Australian Leigh Montagna said if Lynch escaped suspension, it’d go against the hard stance the MRO and tribunal had taken across the first month of the season.

“I think we‘re seeing some consistency now that if you don’t make a genuine play for the ball, or at least attempt to go for the ball, we are seeing those acts get suspended,” Montagna told Fox Footy’s First Crack.

“I just think for the sake of the game, if he gets off that, I think it‘ll go back to being confusing for everyone.”

Source: First Crack (Fox Footy) (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-live-updates-2023-afl-news-2023-harry-mckay-tom-lynch-face-tribunal-for-bumps-guidelines-blog/news-story/3afbced22a2759a3220e428cc02a4dd0).
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 11, 2023, 04:19:44 PM
I don’t think citing incidents from years prior is relevant here as the change the definitions on the categorising of intent and impact every off season.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2023, 04:31:32 PM
The Witherden incident makes this look like a dead set witch hunt.

I hope we challenge it and get him off.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: the claw on April 11, 2023, 05:19:54 PM
Have they built the scaffold yet. I need to get a front row seat as i do like a good LYNCHING.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: MintOnLamb on April 11, 2023, 07:14:37 PM
Have they built the scaffold yet. I need to get a front row seat as i do like a good LYNCHING.
🫣 😂🥴
A pity as he is one of our Lynchpins
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 07:50:22 PM
McKay got off. Suspension downgraded to a fine.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901910/the-verdict-is-in-star-blue-learns-his-fate-at-tribunal


Lynch's case next up. Now let's see how the tribunal treats a Richmond player  ::).
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 07:59:11 PM
Tom Lynch's Tribunal hearing is now underway.

As expected, the Tigers contest this is a reportable offence under the banner of 'rough conduct'.

This argument will likely centre around whether or not Lynch's action constitutes a bump.

For reference, the two dot points here are where much of the argument will likely focus on.
(https://arena-cdn-g.imgix.net/site-media/eq4xTsvKZZYX3Nyb1hajkkwZdO03aa762b56c0a08803c8bce62e70bb91b6.jpg?w=570&fit=fillmax&auto=format,compress&fm=undefined)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-live-updates-2023-afl-news-2023-harry-mckay-tom-lynch-face-tribunal-for-bumps-guidelines-blog/news-story/3afbced22a2759a3220e428cc02a4dd0
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:01:11 PM
Tom Lynch is giving evidence.

Tom Lynch: My focus was solely on the football.

Tom Lynch: As I was jumping off my left leg, I realised I'd misjudged the ball flight... I was jumping off my left foot, it was too late to stop.

Tom Lynch: I rotated my body so the contact wasn't coming front on and that he'd hit me on the side to prevent injury. Otherwise it may've opened me up.

Tom Lynch: I've not braced myself or clenched any fist, my hands are open. After the contact, my hands go up in the air. If I was bumping, I'd be driving through.

Richmond: At the point you realised contact was going to be made with Keath, could you have stopped yourself from leaving the ground?

Tom Lynch: No. I could not.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-live-updates-2023-afl-news-2023-harry-mckay-tom-lynch-face-tribunal-for-bumps-guidelines-blog/news-story/3afbced22a2759a3220e428cc02a4dd0
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
AFL website also doing a live blog:

Tom Lynch case is now underway

Well, we're playing catch-up after finalising the Harry McKay case, but Tom Lynch is giving evidence.

Richmond will argue this was not rough conduct – basically we'll be arguing whether or not this was a bump.

Lynch says his focus was solely on the football.

"At the very last moment … I realised I misjudged the ball flight and ran under the football," he said.

"I was jumping off my left foot and it was too late to stop.

"I rotated my body … if I didn't, I would have had contact through my chest and would have put me in a vulnerable position.

"I'm just protecting myself from incoming impact."

- Michael Whiting

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901732/live-blog-tribunal-makes-call-on-blues-forward-tiger-faces-ban
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:10:52 PM
Andrew Woods (AFL): There was a decision made by Lynch to bump Keath. It was clear he wasn't going to get the ball. He turned his body and did, despite his evidence, brace.

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2


Well someone thinks he's a mind-reader ::).
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:19:10 PM
AFL says it was a bump

AFL counsel Andrew Woods says this was rough conduct, falling under the sub-category of a high bump.

"There was a decision made by Lynch to bump Keath," Woods said.

"It was clear he wasn't going to get the ball. His turned his body to brace."

Woods says if the Tribunal finds this wasn't a high bump, it should still fall under general rough conduct guidelines as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact.

- Michael Whiting

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901732/live-blog-tribunal-makes-call-on-blues-forward-tiger-faces-ban
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 11, 2023, 08:23:35 PM
Woods says if the Tribunal finds this wasn't a high bump, it should still fall under general rough conduct guidelines as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact.

What the ...?  :o

In which legitimate court can a prosecutor ask the judge to find someone guilty on something else if they are found innocent on the actual charge they went to court for.

#AFLStarChamber 
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:25:18 PM
Sam Tovey (Richmond): It's a question as to whether Lynch's intention was to bump or do something very different, which was to brace himself for impending impact from an oncoming player. It cannot be both. If it was a brace to protect himself, the charge cannot be sustained.

Tovey (Richmond): Tom Lynch never took his eyes off the ball for a moment.

Tovey (Richmond): Tom Lynch hasn't chosen this situation, he hasn't made a decision to bring this about, it's a situation that came to him and was completely unexpected.

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: the claw on April 11, 2023, 08:28:13 PM
Forget about Lynching throw in the draw and quarter as well.

Just over the way the game has and continues to go. Never mind it was one of ours id be just as disgusted if it happened to another player from another club.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:30:17 PM
Richmond's argument

Lynch's counsel Sam Tovey is now submitting his argument.

"It's a question as to whether Lynch's intention was to bump or do something very different, which was to brace himself for impending impact from an oncoming player," Tovey said.

"It cannot be both. If it was a brace to protect himself, the charge cannot be sustained."

- Michael Whiting

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901732/live-blog-tribunal-makes-call-on-blues-forward-tiger-faces-ban
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 11, 2023, 08:31:37 PM
Tovey (Richmond): Tom Lynch hasn't chosen this situation, he hasn't made a decision to bring this about, it's a situation that came to him and was completely unexpected.
Bingo! :yep
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:38:58 PM
Tovey (Richmond): Lynch doesn't deviate off his line, whereas Keath moves some distance laterally to be directly in line with the path Lynch is already on towards the ball.

Tovey (Richmond): The immediate impression of watching this in real time is that this was not unreasonable conduct. There's also a lack of remonstration by Bulldogs players who were around and there were plenty of them.

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1

Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:40:41 PM
More from Richmond...

Lynch's counsel Sam Tovey continues. He says Lynch did not make a "decision" to bump, as suggested by AFL's Andrew Woods.

"Lynch goes directly towards the flight of the ball," Tovey said.

"It's the last instant before contact that he begins that movement of bracing and turning. What possible time did Lynch have to make that decision to bump someone?

"Keath moves some distance laterally. Lynch is fixated on the ball. It's not clear on the footage what Keath's intent was, it doesn't appear it was to be involved in an aerial contest.

"Lynch is faced with an extremely difficult situation – take the inevitable front-on contact from Keath or turn and brace for that impact?

"Tom Lynch hasn't chosen this situation – it's a situation that came to him that was completely unexpected."

- Michael Whiting

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901732/live-blog-tribunal-makes-call-on-blues-forward-tiger-faces-ban
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:45:26 PM
The Tribunal is now deliberating.

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 11, 2023, 08:49:29 PM
Based on the arguments and evidence provided, Lynch has to get off. The AFL counsel had nothing whereas Tovey had all the detailed answers.

If Lynch still gets suspended, then it's a fix.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 08:50:50 PM
Time for the Tribunal to have a think

After hearing more than an hour of evidence, closer to 70 minutes, the Tribunal is now off deliberating the Tom Lynch case.

Lynch's counsel Sam Tovey summed up their submission by saying: "the charge should be dismissed. It wasn't a bump, it wasn't rough conduct, it wasn't careless."

Let's see if the Tribunal agrees.

- Michael Whiting

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901732/live-blog-tribunal-makes-call-on-blues-forward-tiger-faces-ban
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 11, 2023, 09:01:07 PM
Do we know who is sitting on the tribunal tonight?
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: JP Tiger on April 11, 2023, 09:03:46 PM
Rasputin, Judge Judy & Attila the Hun ... so its gonna be a fair hearing ...     :P
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:04:11 PM
Do we know who is sitting on the tribunal tonight?
The AFL website blog earlier said "Chairman Jeff Gleeson" during the McKay case. So, I presume it's him.


Edit: David Zita just tweeted the tribunal chair is Gleeson.

https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1645744165660270594
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 11, 2023, 09:05:38 PM
No idea on the other 2 sitting with him?
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:08:28 PM
We're back. Standby for verdict.

Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:09:11 PM
No idea on the other 2 sitting with him?
Are there two others?
Title: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:10:39 PM
Got off  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by tribunal [update]
Post by: Broadsword on April 11, 2023, 09:12:04 PM
Common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:12:25 PM
Tom Lynch is free to play (but won't due to injury). The Tribunal is not satisfied this constitutes rough conduct.

"He did not bump and he did not engage in rough conduct."

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: the claw on April 11, 2023, 09:12:35 PM
Gotta ask where are they going to hang his head on the spike to make sure no one else does such dastardly deeds.
Nothing like a head on a spike to make the common stuff think twice.!!!!

Ah bugger no spike no hang draw or quarter no gore some one has to be accountable for this.
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 11, 2023, 09:13:15 PM
Common sense at the tribunal

I wonder if the AFL will appeal? They would be ropeable where as they should simply be embarrassed by this entire schemozzle
Title: Re: Lynch to face the tribunal [update]
Post by: the claw on April 11, 2023, 09:17:43 PM
Common sense at the tribunal

I wonder if the AFL will appeal? They would be ropeable where as they should simply be embarrassed by this entire schemozzle

In all seriousness yes a bit of common sense at last. Dont hold your breath though, or  your gunna choke to death. these clowns have no idea and stupidity is already raising its head as we speak.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 11, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
That was just desperate and embarrassing from the AFL counsel. The AFL had nothing but a trumped-up charge that defied all the actual evidence. It should never have been sent to the tribunal in the first place. Another Michael Christian roulette special ::). Seriously, he needs to go as MRO.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
Up yours AFL and media
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 09:36:48 PM
Reasons via Tribunal:

On certain views of this vision, Lynch's actions appear quite problematic. He did not ultimately attempt to mark the ball and his shoulder came into forceful contact with Alex Keath’s head, causing a concussion.

Considering all of the evidence, including importantly Lynch's cogent and emphatic evidence, including all of the various angles of vision, we are not clearly satisfied that this was rough conduct.

The vision supported Lynch's evidence that his eyes never left the ball and that his line towards the ball never deviated. We find Lynch intended to fly for the mark, realised he had misjudged at the moment he was committed to jumping, saw a Bulldogs player in his peripheral vision and rotated and braced for contact. This version of events is supported by the fact Lynch did not have clenched fists, not follow through with force and intends to pull his body in, in a way consistent with a brace for contact, not a bump.

Marking contests such as this present a number of challenges for players. The ball was kicked in long and high. Players are all aware there will be a pack-type aerial contest. All flight can be misjudged and leaps mistimed.

It is not careless for a player to do no more than brace for contact in those circumstances.

As we’ve repeatedly said, players must do all that they reasonably can to minimise the risk of head injuries to other players. If we found Lynch had not genuinely braced for contact, had not had eyes for the ball, likely deviated, we would have had little hesitation in upholding the charge.

In the event, he did not bump. He did not engage in rough conduct.

https://go.arena.im/live/fox-sports-australia/qSYhqpX?v=2
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: camboon on April 11, 2023, 09:53:03 PM
Some media generated hatred always generate an exaggerated view of any incident , Christian the Collingwood Hocking appointed cheat jumps on board and we end up usually getting treated unfairly , recent example Broad
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: Knighter on April 11, 2023, 11:19:17 PM
Christan proving once again to be a clueless halfwit. HTF has he not been boned yet?
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 12, 2023, 03:32:13 AM
Some media generated hatred always generate an exaggerated view of any incident , Christian the Collingwood Hocking appointed cheat jumps on board and we end up usually getting treated unfairly , recent example Broad
The media have been feral about this. Interestingly, those that were the worse have been silent since the not guilty verdict.


Interesting to hear a Geelong FC employee (Josh Jenkins) on radio saying Tom Lynch should get suspended.
https://twitter.com/bostontiger35/status/1645757612489854976

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtbtbbnXwAAUz42?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/1644861587239624704
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 12, 2023, 03:34:45 AM
Hardwick was perplexed at the thought Lynch could be in any sort of trouble with the match review officer when asked about the incident after the match.

"What for?," Hardwick said.

"I don't know what incident you're talking about."

When pressed further on the issue during a testy exchange, Hardwick said it was a "marking contest".

Hardwick scoffed when told it was raised during Fox Footy's broadcast of the match that Lynch could be in any trouble for the incident.

"If it's raised on the broadcast ... I've listened to the broadcast recently, they're not great," he replied.

"For being tough in the contest? No, I wouldn't have thought (Lynch would be in trouble)."

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/hardwick-leaps-to-lynch-s-defence-after-keath-collision/ar-AA19C9IJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b78968f711384335ac1cdaae70de5850&ei=14
Dimma vindicated for defending Lynch and standing up to the media pack.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: georgies31 on April 12, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
Up yours media total disgrace we have the worse journalists in this country.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 12, 2023, 03:49:52 PM
Tigers star Tom Lynch's fiancee shares her hilarious reaction to his tribunal win after he dodged three-week ban for hit on Alex Keath

By Andrew Prentice
Daily Mail Australia
 12 April 2023


The fiancée of Richmond star Tom Lynch has shared his hilarious reaction to a win at the AFL tribunal on Tuesday.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/12/02/69727281-11962767-The_fianc_e_of_Richmond_star_Tom_Lynch_has_shared_his_hilarious_-a-27_1681264555113.jpg)

After the result was confirmed, Olivia Burke shared an image to her Instagram followers of her man tucking into some pasta on the couch - while still dressed in a Tigers polo top.

It seems Burke was expecting Lynch to take far longer to clear his name.

'Got halfway through [a manicure] and then got the call to go pick up old mate from footy courts,' she wrote on her post, captioning the photo of her husband-to-be 'happy free(ish) old mate'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-11962767/AFL-Richmond-Tigers-star-Tom-Lynchs-fianc-e-shares-hilarious-reaction-tribunal-win.html
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 12, 2023, 03:57:29 PM
WHY BUCKLEY DISAGREES WITH AFL TRIBUNAL'S LYNCH CALL

Marcus Beeck
SEN
12 April 2023


Former Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley has voiced his disappointment over the tribunal's decision to not suspend star Richmond forward Tom Lynch.

Lynch was sent straight to the tribunal after the match review panel deemed that the forward’s collision with Bulldog’s defender Alex Keath, which led to Keath sustaining a concussion, was careless conduct with high contact and severe impact.

The Tigers key forward was able to escape suspension although the result is relatively meaningless due to the fact that Lynch was already set to spend an extended period of time on the sidelines after injuring his foot in the same match over the weekend.

Buckley disagrees with the tribunal's decision to overturn Lynch’s ban as he believes the star Tiger should have been suspended due to the fact that he chose to not contest the football.

“I think I called it agricultural in the call,” Buckley told SEN’s Whateley.

“I think Tom Lynch is an old school forward and I think he is a player that plays with a bit of physicality. I think he is a player who makes his teammates walk taller around him because he goes at contests and he goes at bodies unlike a lot of players in the competition these days.

“I believe that, and this is my opinion and it’s based on nothing other than watching the game, I believe that he was aware that Alex Keath was coming back and decided that he would make contact and that he was going to be able to bring the ball to ground in that instance.

“He is a chest marker so he was probably setting up for a chest mark, it was very slippery as well. He would probably argue that he was thinking about going for a chest mark, saw the player out of the corner of his eye and then decided to make contact with him rather than contest the ball.

“That’s what I viewed and I thought that the tribunal would uphold that.

“If that ball was on the ground and that player was attacking a ground ball and decided not to go and contest the ground ball, like had misjudged their attack on a ground ball and then set themselves and knocked out a player who was coming into that contest, does that player get off? I don’t think so.”

Although Buckley understands that players have the right to protect themselves in a marking contest, the former Collingwood captain believes Lynch was still intending to hurt Keath.

“I don’t believe that Tom Lynch should keep himself open in that situation, I think that he is entitled to protect himself. But I also think that you can protect yourself but you still must make a play on the football as soon as you give up attacking the football, eyes on the football, trying to make a football play I don't think protecting yourself is a defence,” Buckley said.

“Tom Lynch isn’t so much of a high jumper, but he is a person who knows the drop of the ball, knows where the bodies are and manipulates his position to protect the drop of the ball and then goes to it either with his hands or a chest mark.

“I think he could’ve chosen to do that; it might’ve been the same result for Alex Keath in the end, but it would have been a football action. Like actually going at the ball and defending yourself in the process.

“I think there’s no doubt he was defending himself and making sure that there was no damage to him from Alex Keath coming back with courage. I think there was a little bit of intent in it as well but as we know we’ve taken intent out of the whole thing; we can’t prove intent. So, you needed to prove that it was reckless or careless and they were able to argue that away.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/11/why-buckley-disagrees-with-afl-tribunals-lynch-call/
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 13, 2023, 06:53:07 AM
Buckley on AFL 360 last night was still saying Lynch should have been suspended but he then added he would love to coach Lynch because he's an old-fashioned forward who takes players in his path out at every marking contest.

Remember Buckley was coach of Collingwood when Lynch chose us over them  :lol.



Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 13, 2023, 06:54:48 AM
"The AFL has to own it – just remove the tribunals from the system." - Barrett.

After more tribunal drama, is it time for an overhaul to the league's match review structure?

https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1646124312238387202


Yeah, let's change the rules again because it's Richmond ::).
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 13, 2023, 07:26:27 AM
Diabolical.

The AFL got it stuffing wrong ffs.

Even if the AFL appealed they would lose on the legalities and specifics.

They tried to suspend him on outcome and prejudice only.
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: Knighter on April 13, 2023, 08:48:57 AM
Buckley on AFL 360 last night was still saying Lynch should have been suspended but he then added he would love to coach Lynch because he's an old-fashioned forward who takes players in his path out at every marking contest.

Remember Buckley was coach of Collingwood when Lynch chose us over them  :lol.

No one disagrees that Buckley was rightfully called FIGJAM though
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 13, 2023, 10:06:29 AM
Diabolical.

The AFL got it stuffing wrong ffs.

Even if the AFL appealed they would lose on the legalities and specifics.

They tried to suspend him on outcome and prejudice only.

But Andyy, most of the decisions this season are based more around outcome than the act itself. Look at the sling tackles.

Broad gets 4 weeks in part because the kid was concussed. Weekend just gone 2 sling tackles with wet tea towel outcomes/penalties because no one was concussed. Lynch gets cited solely because of the outcome and media hysteria

Kosi Picket, lines a bloke up, jumps towards him with no eyes for the ball just the man and he gets 2 weeks because Smith bounced up and played on. It is the most cowardly acts I've seen this season because it was so deliberate and it worth ONLY 2 weeks

All about outcome in 2023, not intent, not impact, not the act just oitcome :thumbsdown >:(
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 13, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Diabolical.

The AFL got it stuffing wrong ffs.

Even if the AFL appealed they would lose on the legalities and specifics.

They tried to suspend him on outcome and prejudice only.

But Andyy, most of the decisions this season are based more around outcome than the act itself. Look at the sling tackles.

Broad gets 4 weeks in part because the kid was concussed. Weekend just gone 2 sling tackles with wet tea towel outcomes/penalties because no one was concussed. Lynch gets cited solely because of the outcome and media hysteria

Kosi Picket, lines a bloke up, jumps towards him with no eyes for the ball just the man and he gets 2 weeks because Smith bounced up and played on. It is the most cowardly acts I've seen this season because it was so deliberate and it worth ONLY 2 weeks

All about outcome in 2023, not intent, not impact, not the act just oitcome :thumbsdown >:(

And Witherden?
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: one-eyed on April 13, 2023, 02:42:56 PM
AFL CEO candidate Andrew Dillon's confidence in the AFL’s match review system also hasn’t been shaken by two verdicts being overturned at the tribunal this week, with Dillon saying this week’s cases of Richmond’s Tom Lynch and Carlton’s Harry McKay show the system works.

Lynch was sent straight to the tribunal on a rough conduct charge, meaning a suggested suspension of three or more matches by match review officer (MRO) Michael Christian. But Lynch was cleared by a tribunal hearing and avoided any ban.

“I am never disappointed because for me it’s more about the process and it’s a robust process that we have got in place,” Dillon said.

“Tom got to provide evidence and it was done in an open forum and everyone heard that and we were comfortable with that decision.”

“The MRO is a crucial part of the way we regulate the on-field behaviour of the players,” Dillon said. “But ... I am comfortable with the way the MRO is working. And the tribunal provides an opportunity for a player who has been charged to have their say.

“The system has been working well and [I am] really comfortable with it.”

Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/candidate-for-top-afl-job-unfazed-by-drawn-out-process-20230413-p5d04q.html).
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: camboon on April 13, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
What’s with these pretentious people , calling players like they know them on a first name basis  , what a Dill
Who’s this bloke think he is , a white magot, green slime etc
Title: Re: Lynch cleared by the tribunal [update]
Post by: mightytiges on April 13, 2023, 05:50:33 PM
What’s with these pretentious people , calling players like they know them on a first name basis  , what a Dill
Who’s this bloke think he is , a white magot, green slime etc
If the AFL boys club gets its way, he'll be the next AFL CEO.