One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mat073 on May 25, 2023, 12:35:57 PM
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing - but something had been a little off at Richmond for a while .
So many narrow defeats. How many times have we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’m still losing sleep over the West Coast defeat in 2021 , last years Elimination final . The Dreamtime defeat is just the cherry on top . Richmondy is not dead .
I’m pretty excited about the next chapter. Hopefully it might reinvigorate a few.
However , without doubt- the man is a legend and deserves his statue.
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Run his race and deserves a statue. Both are true IMO.
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Yes. I believe so.
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Yes I think so.
And even if not, better a year early than a day late.
Would hate to see something like the Malthouse or Clarkson fiascos.
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I think his message wasn't carrying the necessary weight anymore, so yes, he was done, but I do think he should have stayed until the end of the year. He should have coached Cotch on his 300th and left the ground with Jack and Cotch in the last game. Gale made a point in one of his recent interviews that he has to think of John O'Rourke and stick around on his behalf. That to me is selfless.
I got the sense from Balme that his first reaction was shock and disappointment -- frustration even-- and then he realised the manner of the departure actually meant it was a good time to move on and get someone eager and modest in the joint again. Hardwick had acted like he was above the fray for a while -- and did so again during the announcement in my view -- and his players had picked that up too. Ill-discipline and self-regard has characterised us for a while now.
I personally don't buy the selfless tag being stitched onto this resignation. If I were the club I would market the event as selfless as well and use it however I could to reinforce the players' belief in their own culture, but I'd be shocked if there weren't some disgruntled opinions behind the scene. I'm sure the club are happy it's been so well-received in the media.
If it's all about the journey and not about the silverware, why did the journey come to an end as soon as silverware was considered unrealistic? Can't have it both ways.
To me it was a very controlling decision -- "I leave you." (He's good at leaving things overnight, I'll give him that.)
Unpopular opinion perhaps, and I could be way off the mark -- it could be undisclosed and urgent mental health pressures, for example. But all in all I'm pretty disappointed in this chain of events, and so on reflection, yeah, it's time to move on.
Okay, throw your tomatoes at me now. :help
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I only hope there isn't a health related reason for Hardwick's departure. Mental health is one thing, but general health is another.
Otherwise, Hardwick has every right to call time on his terms. Its tough on those left behind but the club is always bigger than the individual. :gotigers
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He most definitely lost hid mojo toward the end there.
Players were full bore with him but he was too easily outpointed in the box and players started to lose on fundamentals - off the head:-
Norf last year - Zurhaar getting goal side too easily of a ruck contest
Lions final - allowing Daniher on goal line
Even Balta taking more than 30 secs
Goldie - leaving that player clear in d50
Bombers game plan on Sat night was basically Collingwood’s from r2, 2019. Amazed we didn’t close that down by now?
A legend of the game and our club with impeccable timing to exit when he had done it.
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He most definitely lost hid mojo toward the end there.
Players were full bore with him but he was too easily outpointed in the box and players started to lose on fundamentals - off the head:-
Norf last year - Zurhaar getting goal side too easily of a ruck contest
Lions final - allowing Daniher on goal line
Even Balta taking more than 30 secs
Goldie - leaving that player clear in d50
Bombers game plan on Sat night was basically Collingwood’s from r2, 2019. Amazed we didn’t close that down by now?
A legend of the game and our club with impeccable timing to exit when he had done it.
Yep I was furious they didn't clamp down on that crap.
Should have won that game by 5 goals
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Being the bloke who took away so much pain with 2017 im not going to say a thing except to say id say he went too late.
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I think his message wasn't carrying the necessary weight anymore, so yes, he was done, but I do think he should have stayed until the end of the year. He should have coached Cotch on his 300th and left the ground with Jack and Cotch in the last game. Gale made a point in one of his recent interviews that he has to think of John O'Rourke and stick around on his behalf. That to me is selfless.
I got the sense from Balme that his first reaction was shock and disappointment -- frustration even-- and then he realised the manner of the departure actually meant it was a good time to move on and get someone eager and modest in the joint again. Hardwick had acted like he was above the fray for a while -- and did so again during the announcement in my view -- and his players had picked that up too. Ill-discipline and self-regard has characterised us for a while now.
I personally don't buy the selfless tag being stitched onto this resignation. If I were the club I would market the event as selfless as well and use it however I could to reinforce the players' belief in their own culture, but I'd be shocked if there weren't some disgruntled opinions behind the scene. I'm sure the club are happy it's been so well-received in the media.
If it's all about the journey and not about the silverware, why did the journey come to an end as soon as silverware was considered unrealistic? Can't have it both ways.
To me it was a very controlling decision -- "I leave you." (He's good at leaving things overnight, I'll give him that.)
Unpopular opinion perhaps, and I could be way off the mark -- it could be undisclosed and urgent mental health pressures, for example. But all in all I'm pretty disappointed in this chain of events, and so on reflection, yeah, it's time to move on.
Okay, throw your tomatoes at me now. :help
I will be forever thankful and grateful that Dimma stayed after 2016 and gave us so much joy and memories that will never be forgotten.
That said, IMO his infidelity proved to be his downfall.
Not all players would have given too poos about it but I think some important players were greatly affected. Very disrespectful to have the “new chick” attend Brownlow night and the Jack Dyer medal presentation so soon. Nothing about that is selfless.
With all the talk during our success of vulnerability, connection and family.
We heard of the importance of mindfulness and the famous hardship, highlight, hero.
Senior players, and probably more significant, those players wives, were unwilling casualties of his most “selfish” act anyone at the club had seen before.
By his own admission his voice was done, he publicly stated that this year was “always” going to be his last.
My opinion is (post infidelity)………
1) that he knew that the players at this club weren’t “listening” 100% anymore or his words had lost credibility
2) he knows the only thing that gives him no baggage is a clean slate at another club
3) another club has already given him a job next year
4) leaving on his own terms early gives him enough time away to stay out of the footy spotlight bubble and reset for next season rejuvenated.
5) Cotchin has been very silent (remember his wife’s tweet after discovery)
I think you are right on the money with your opinion about this being anything but a “selfless act”.
This decision has more to do with Dimma and his own personal ambitions.
The more I think about it he will be definitely coaching next season.
If he does I’ll be ok with it unless it’s the blue Cheats (would be a fitting choice for him though )
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Tigeritis is Kane Cornes right? I might check the Taranto thread for more evidence…
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Oh please HRT, lol.
Plenty of what Tig is saying makes sense.
I'm partially convinced and have been for a while.
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Ahhh this old chestnut.
Instead of the obvious let’s look for the rumours. 3 flags in 4 years. Just like the Hawks and the Lions before that, we peaked and absolutely cashed in and as our stars got older and our draft picks got worse we slid. A tale as old as time.
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RJKTigeritis..... :shh
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I will always be grateful to Dimma and never wanted him to go but I have a gut feel and won’t be surprised if he is the next Port coach.
Somethings are coincidence some are not.
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Ahhh this old chestnut.
Instead of the obvious let’s look for the rumours. 3 flags in 4 years. Just like the Hawks and the Lions before that, we peaked and absolutely cashed in and as our stars got older and our draft picks got worse we slid. A tale as old as time.
:clapping
People will believe what they want to believe to suit their narrative, view point or to make or justify their point.
I've been asked alot since MOnday night when my phone pinged at what seemed like every 3 minutes ;D was I shocked or surprised
My answer has been this....
I am not surprised by the decision but I was shocked by the timing of it
My gut feel was if we won the flag last year he would probably have walked away then but we didn't so he went again. I don't blame for that as we blew it last year in that EF.
I don't care what others think my view is our list is a helluva lot better than what our current ladder position says. Even with the injuries there is no excuses for losing to GC, Carlton, Sydney. Are we top 4? No, but we should be in a better spot
Having said I certainly didn't see Cotch struggling the way he has based on how he ended 2022. But as Shedda the cliff can come bloody quickly. I didn't see Vlastuin struggling for form in the 1st 7 or so rounds. Didn't see so many of them struggling for form the way they have. How much is that on the Coach or the players themselves? It's on all of them IMHO
Did he stay too long? My answer is no but I reckon he has left at the right time