So we run dead next year by playing mostly kids.
BIDDING CHANGES COULD ARRIVE IN 2024
THE AFL hasn't ruled out making changes to its Academy and father-son bidding system as early as this year, with the League to review the process at the conclusion of its ongoing competitive balance reviews.
Speaking to AFL.com.au on Wednesday, the AFL's chief executive Andrew Dillon said the League was in the final stages of its meetings with clubs and was considering alterations to the bidding process as early as 2024.
"It will depend on the timing of when the review is finished. I wouldn't rule it out, coming in during 2024. But I'm not saying it will either," Dillon said.
As revealed on AFL.com.au last October, the League has already written to clubs saying it will review the bidding system, Next Generation Academy incentive and the Draft Value Index to ensure teams with Academy players are paying a fairer price to match bids at the draft.
Can't happen this year clubs already planned on previous rules.
Baker, Dusty and Rioli all leaving means we could have as many as 5 1st round picks this year. Bring on the kids. The new recruiting manager has a big job. Hope he gets it right
any footage WP?I'm sure there is
Baker, Dusty and Rioli all leaving means we could have as many as 5 1st round picks this year. Bring on the kids. The new recruiting manager has a big job. Hope he gets it right
They're all leaving based on?
An average news report by Ch10 Brisbane (Rioli). Surprised they knew he was ;D
As for the other 2....wish the media would report was actually said by Cotch. Firstly, not Cotch's finest moment on hid nee media gig "Talking Footy".. he stumbles, mumbled his way though his answer to a question about whether he believed Dusty and Baker would in different guernseys in 2025.
While getting tongue tied he managed to blurt out in the first instance that he though one of them wouldn't be in Richmlnd collurs.
Then he said maybe both won't be but didn't know, then when Timmy Watson said Dusty he said no Baker because Cotch is hearing whispers the $$$s on offer from the West are massive. He said in his view Dan Rioli won't leave..then he mumbled some more
So here we are.. the media having a field day based on a flip flop answer by our champion ex Captain. As I said not his finest moment
Fun times
Thanks for confirming exactly what I said albeit in a long-winded complicated way. Rioli ain't visiting Dimma on a whim. He is clearly thinking of exiting and I don't blame him with Meehan around.
any footage WP?
any footage WP?Here's the footage.
any footage WP?Here's the footage.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1780578174679634088
Edit: WP just beat me to it.
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
Dunno but I'd be offering them 22, 40, 41, 47, 58, 66 and 68 for 18 + 19.
Go draft with 2, 18, 19, 29.
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
Dunno but I'd be offering them 22, 40, 41, 47, 58, 66 and 68 for 18 + 19.
Go draft with 2, 18, 19, 29.
Perfect Andy!
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
Dunno but I'd be offering them 22, 40, 41, 47, 58, 66 and 68 for 18 + 19.
Go draft with 2, 18, 19, 29.
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
Dunno but I'd be offering them 22, 40, 41, 47, 58, 66 and 68 for 18 + 19.
Go draft with 2, 18, 19, 29.
Would be extremely disappointed if that was the draft hand we ended up with...should be able to do way better than that.... :shh
So what I want to know is who are the next generation superstars the Swans are hiding at there "academy"?
Dunno but I'd be offering them 22, 40, 41, 47, 58, 66 and 68 for 18 + 19.
Go draft with 2, 18, 19, 29.
Would be extremely disappointed if that was the draft hand we ended up with...should be able to do way better than that.... :shh
Well we should also be trading out players but to give Swans a points surplus that's about +450 for them.
What would you do?
2019 draft.
Pick 21: Thomson Dow:
Pick 39: Chad Warner
Ouchies!
Sid was solid but not spectacular in his first champs outing for 2024. My guess is that he's still searching for match fitness and form after his long injury layoff - he had a strong opening half before fading out of the game and there was a lot of hands on head or knees sucking in the big ones in the second half. His defensive efforts in particular we poor at times.
Another solid performance from one of SA's deep contingent of midfielders. Hargrave is coming off a promising bottom age campaign where he was named MVP of the SANFL U18s competition. He's tough and strong in the contest as well as tidy and clever with his disposal.
Looking two drafts ahead Dyson Sharp already being touted as the #1 pick in '25 much like Reid was two years out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7PpVAA_mI
Too bad Lombard is a GC Academy pick....assuming we finish 17th then surely we'll at least keep Halfstep honest and bid for him if Norf don't....this year's Reid... :shh
We have to start talking about Lombard as a legit top 5 pick if not a pick 1 contender. No player has been better performed this season than Leo, no player is more dangerous and damaging with ball in hand. He setup as more of an outside receiver in this game on the attacking side of the contest and consistently found space for linking chains, either setting up his teammates or finishing himself.
Footy Stuff Player Profile:
Leo Lombard - 178cm mid/fwd.
Lombard is a somewhat undersized but powerful and dynamic midfielder much in the mould of fellow Suns Academy graduate Jake Rogers. He's a threat at stoppage with strong timing and low center of gravity allowing him to get first hands on the footy, and then he has the breakaway acceleration to get inside to out for a clear and damaging possession. If he can add more goals to his repertoire then he'll push right into top 10 draft calculations.
Luke Urquhart - 190cm mid/fwd
Urquhart was WA's best on the day, his size and competitiveness was influential at stoppage and he was typically damaging with his penetrating right boot. He played 100% midfield in this game which is different to his typical role at Colts level where he rests in the forward line, and he did fade in the second half which coincided with the Allies getting on top of the territory battle.
Size is an obvious one. He's 181cm which isnt tiny but he has a thin frame that probably wont put on a lot of muscle. This isnt always a killer... he could end up being the next Zak Butters given his elite movement.
The two other criticisms are defensive actions and disposal. I mentioned the disposal above... I dont think its a huge deal but worth keeping an eye on. He might struggle with a tag at the next level if he can't maintain disposal accuracy under pressure.
Defensively, a couple of issues. I dont think its a problem with running hard defensively as he runs hard all the time. He's always there to create a +1, and does this just as often in the D50 as anywhere else on the ground. Its more that his tackle counts are often quite low considering how active he is in general. He tends to "arm tackle" a lot, which gets broken easily given his lack of bulk/muscle. You look at Butters and he drives into tackles with his shoulder/chest. I think that should be the model for Jagga to follow. But in general he needs to use his big footy brain to anticipate when the opposition is about to break free with the ball and get there to apply pressure more often. I'm pretty confident he can correct this.
The top key forward prospect in this draft entering the season is finally back after missing the first two months of the season through injury, and he immediately shows everyone what they've been missing with a bag of five goals.
A prolific disposal game from Cooper Hynes who also hit the scoreboard at a pivotal moment in the 4th quarter to help his Stingrays get up in a tightly contested game. He remains something of a polarizing prospect. His numbers as a mid and a forward are excellent. He has a large frame, excellent level of competitiveness and repeat efforts, but only average stoppage impact and raw skill level at times.
A 50-disposal gun, an almost flawless prospect and Cripps 2.0: AFL draft hopefuls to watch
ByMarc McGowan
The time to shine has arrived.
There is no more important period for prospective AFL draftees than the national under-18 championships. The Allies have already played twice, against South Australia and Western Australia, while the Victorian teams start their campaign this weekend.
We spoke to club recruiters, who shared their thoughts anonymously on this year’s crop in order to speak more freely on their strengths and weaknesses.
The AFL’s talent ambassador, Kevin “Shifter” Sheehan, also gave his take on the select group below.
Among those to narrowly miss out were Isaac Kako, Joe Berry, Noah Mraz, Matt Whitlock, Jobe Shanahan, Harry O’Farrell, Lucas Camporeale, Sam Marshall and Harry Armstrong.
Here are the top prospects so far, in alphabetical order.
Bo Allan
Peel Thunder/Western Australia, midfielder/defender, 191cm, 16/2/2006
Key WAFL Colts stats (averages): 21 disposals, 6.5 inside-50s, 3 tackles
Allan is Western Australia’s best draft prospect in 2024, and his versatility and size are a big part of his appeal. He has proven he can be effective as a rebounding defender and winger, and is developing his midfield craft as well. Allan is a good athlete with a neat left-foot kick who has good pace off the mark for his size. As with some others on this list, Allan’s stock largely depends on how well he plays at the championships.
Shifter says: “He’s a strongly built and powerful athlete who had a good game on Harley Reid last year, which should hold him in good stead.”
Levi Ashcroft
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro, midfielder, 179cm, 18/12/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 27.3 disposals, 5 clearances, 9.7 score involvements
The son of triple premiership-winning ex-Lion Marcus, Ashcroft is an ultra-consistent and goalkicking midfielder who can join his brother Will at Brisbane as a father-son prospect. He is rated a top-three talent and could hardly do more, after being an under-18 All-Australian last year and starting this season superbly. Ashcroft does not have the sheer size of a player such as Josh Smillie, but his professionalism and on-field smarts have him well-positioned to be an impact player from the get-go at AFL level.
Shifter says: “He’s probably the most natural footballer in the pool. He does all the fundamentals at an elite level, gets to the right spots, distributes brilliantly, is super consistent, and hasn’t missed a beat.”
Ben Camporeale
Glenelg/South Australia, midfielder/defender, 186cm, 21/7/2006
Key SANFL U18 stats (averages): 30 disposals, 5.8 clearances, 7.3 score involvements
The Carlton father-son prospect, whose dad Scott played 233 of his 252 games for the Blues, is poised to attract an opposition bid somewhere in the teens to early 20s. Camporeale, like his twin Lucas, who has a similar draft range, needs to tidy up his kicking, but can play an inside or outside midfield role, has no problem finding the Sherrin, is professional, runs harder than most and consistently performs.
Shifter says: “Ben’s the right-footer of the twins and your inside player, whereas his brother is better on the outside. Ben gets his nose over the ball, and has really grown in the last six months, including being best on ground on grand final day in the under-17s Futures game, which is always a good indicator of real talent.”
Sid Draper
South Adelaide/South Australia, midfielder, 182cm, 5/7/2006
Key SANFL stats (averages): 31 disposals, 9 inside-50s, 14 score involvements
A shin stress fracture sidelined Draper for an extended period, but he played and gathered 19 disposals in South Australia’s win over the Allies then had a strong game for South Adelaide at the weekend. Performed outstandingly for his state as a bottom-ager last year – winning team MVP and under-18 All-Australian honours – and is on track to be a top-five pick. Draper’s ability to navigate and burst through traffic is one of his best traits.
Shifter says: “He returned in the trial matches to get some game time under his belt, then played quite well last week in his first real full hitout in the midfield [post-injury]. He has an elite ability to get through traffic with his step and agility, and his decision-making by hand and foot is excellent.”
Jonty Faull
GWV Rebels/Vic Country, key forward, 195cm, 1/2/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 14 disposals, 4 marks, 5 goals
Faull returned from a long-term back injury for the Rebels on Saturday, kicking a game-high five goals after booting 13 in his final four matches of last season. There is an obsession with finding 200cm key-position players, and some recruiters point out that Faull is neither super tall nor quick, but others are enamoured with his athleticism, marking ability and goalkicking prowess. He could emerge as the best key forward in this class.
Shifter says: “It was an amazing return, given he hadn’t played for nine months. He’s kicked five lots of four goals or more in his past seven games going back to last year, which is a terrific effort. He’s a big, powerful kid, and his marking is his obvious strength. He reads the ball in the air so early … and is a good set shot. Whether he’s ready to play this week [for Vic Country] remains to be seen.”
Tom Gross
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro, midfielder/forward, 181cm, 15/9/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 24.7 disposals, 4.7 tackles, 6.7 score involvements
Gross projects somewhere at the back end of this group, but is consistently likened to retired Crows star Rory Sloane, the type of player every club could do with. He might not be the most aesthetically pleasing player, but is tough, competitive, almost always gets the job done and can impact the game in the midfield and up forward. Recruiters would like him to finish his work in front of goal with greater efficiency, but he is tipped to have a long AFL career.
Shifter says: “Tommy is your hard-edged, competitive midfielder who has got explosive pace out of stoppage, which is a hell of an asset. He can play as a smaller forward as well. He’s had a consistent last 12 months, and his form has been very good and even dominant at times this year.”
Taj Hotton
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro, midfielder/forward, 180cm, 17/6/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 28.7 disposals, 7.3 marks, 1.7 goals
Hotton’s blistering start to the season had him poised to be one of the draft’s biggest risers until he suffered a season-ending ACL rupture at training last month. He is the son of ex-Blue and Magpie Trent – but not father-son eligible – and brother of St Kilda’s Olli. Hotton is competitive, an excellent athlete with great marking ability, and has performed at both ends and in the middle. Recruiters felt he could have been a top-10 pick if not for his setback.
Shifter says: “Probably the best-performed player in the first month or so of the year, and that earned him a call-up to play for the AFL Academy, where he was dominant again against Coburg. Him doing his knee at training was a football tragedy, but he’s got the score on the board.”
Sam Lalor
GWV Rebels/Vic Country, midfielder/forward, 187cm, 30/8/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 20.3 disposals, 7.5 tackles, 4.5 clearances (2023 season)
Injuries have limited Lalor’s exposure this season, and there is significant interest in the sort of shape he will be in for the championships. He is a midfield bull who thrives in the contest with his hardness and competitiveness, which has drawn comparisons to Dustin Martin. There are durability concerns about Lalor, who is also a talented cricketer, and recruiters would like to see him involve himself more in transition.
Shifter says: “Sam’s played only a smidgen of school footy this year because of injuries to his foot then a quad. He’s a powerful beast, this boy, but we just need to see some performance, so hopefully that will unfold. He will be a bit underdone, but he looks an AFL type, and his best will come later in the year.”
Xavier Lindsay
Gippsland Power/Vic Country, midfielder/defender, 183cm, 3/8/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 26.2 disposals, 7 inside-50s, 6.6 clearances
There are scouts who consider Lindsay a top-15 talent. The word that keeps coming up about him is “reliable” and he is one whose championships performance will play a big role in where he fits. There is still debate about Lindsay’s best position at AFL level, given he has played all over the field, but he consistently delivers, is competitive, boasts a splash of class and has leadership qualities.
Shifter says: “A natural footballer with a beautiful left-foot kick who is a prolific ball-winner, playing on the wing or at half-back. He’s an elite reader of the play, and has put together a very consistent two or so years in front of scouts’ eyes.”
Leonardo Lombard
Gold Coast Suns Academy/Allies, midfielder, 178cm, 5/10/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 24.7 disposals, 13 contested possessions, 5.7 clearances
Back-to-back best-on-ground performance in the Allies’ first two championships games convinced the remaining doubters of Lombard’s bona fides. The Suns matched four first-round bids on academy prospects last year and will need to do so again with Lombard – potentially inside the top 10. He oozes energy and intensity, and his power, strength and relentless ball-hunting make for an impressive package. Lombard lacks polish at times, but has barely put a foot wrong.
Shifter says: “You can compare him to Touk Miller and Jake Rogers, from the same club. He’s a fall-of-the-ball player, very tough one-on-one, thrives in the contest, has clean hands and sets play up. He also plays with enormous spirit, and that travels right through your group.”
Christian Moraes
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro, midfielder, 182cm, 11/8/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 25.7 disposals, 11.7 contested possessions, 1.5 goals
Moraes, who has a high-level basketball background, has one of the widest range of potential draft outcomes, with the view that he needs to perform well at the championships to be a top-10 pick. He is one of the most gifted footballers in this year’s crop, and was a standout as a bottom-ager last year but has not quite lived up to expectations in 2024. Recruiters love Moraes’ offensive game and game-breaking ability but want to see him improve defensively. There is also a belief he will require the right environment to thrive.
Shifter says: “He got an injury in one of the academy games, and carried it into the second one, so you can put those two games aside. He’s a prolific ball-winner, an elite runner – the running man of this group – works deep into defence, and has added goalkicking to his kitbag from working hard offensively.”
Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia, key forward, 197cm, 8/6/2006
Key SANFL U18 stats (averages): 17 disposals, 8.3 marks, 2.2 goals
Nicholls is coming with a rush, and is now among this draft pool’s leading key forward prospects. He is an ideal size for his position and matches that with athleticism, great hands, and an ability to work hard up the ground and back. Nicholls’ excellent SANFL form has translated to national level, and recruiters noted how much more confidently he was playing in recent games and rave about his upside.
Shifter says: “We look forward to rating the key forwards in their 18th year. He reads the ball very early, which is a great advantage, and leads to him playing in front, and he has lovely soft hands. His marking is his best asset. He has not filled out yet, but he’s one of the more appealing tall forwards in the draft pool.”
Finn O’Sullivan
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country, midfielder, 182cm, 30/5/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 15 disposals, 5 clearances, 5 inside-50s
O’Sullivan’s had an interrupted season, firstly with a broken thumb and now a broken finger that will sideline him for the start of the championships. However, he remains a genuine contender to be the dux of this year’s class. Won the division one best and fairest award at under-16 level two years ago before earning under-18 All-Australian honours as a bottom-ager last year. Classy, clever, competitive and strong overhead, O’Sullivan is close to a flawless prospect. Something recruiters believe separates him is his willingness to defend.
Shifter says: “From the very first time we saw him at under-16 level – when he was best on ground – he showed an elite running ability, depth in his kicking, and his ball-winning ability stood out. He can mark the ball, has a good jump and step, and is a well-balanced individual as well.”
Josh Smillie
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro, midfielder, 194cm, 17/5/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 27 disposals, 5.6 clearances, 1.6 goals
The Patrick Cripps comparisons are inevitable, and recruiters are enamoured with Smillie’s size, brute ball-winning ability and the impact he has up forward. The expectation is Smillie would be a difference-maker from his debut season. One talent scout described him as a generational talent, and he is the popular choice to be the No.1 pick. There was a knock on his transition running, but the consensus is he has made strides in that part of his game.
Shifter says: “He had a taste of nationals last year, and dominated in the midfield, then had a game this year, Eastern v Brisbane Lions Academy, and if anyone needs to see what a league footballer looks like, [that game was it]. He made the game look easy, and that’s what elite kids do at his size. He was also appointed captain of the Australian side as well, which is great recognition.”
Jagga Smith
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro, midfielder, 181cm, 28/1/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 34.7 disposals, 14.7 contested possessions, 9.1 clearances
Smith has plenty of admirers, particularly with his rare ball-winning ability, which was highlighted in an extraordinary 50-disposal, 17-clearance feast against the Western Jets. His football IQ and lateral movement are among his strengths, but there are queries on his light frame, efficiency and lack of penetration with his kicking. Some recruiters think he might start his AFL career as a forward to protect him as his frame develops.
Shifter says: “He’s a rubber man; he’s so flexible, both winning the ball with his agility then with his ability to step out of a contested situation, bend his body, and find a teammate with a handpass. His performance chart has been super consistent – he rarely plays a poor game – he’s courageous, and has clean hands.”
Luke Trainor
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro, key defender, 195cm, 4/10/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 20.5 disposals, 3 intercept marks, 5 rebound-50s
Trainor is the exception in a projected top 10 littered with on-ballers. His athleticism and toughness in aerial contests appeal to recruiters, along with how he boldly takes the game on with his kicking. Trainor is more of a Tom Stewart-type as a defender rather than someone who will be charged with playing on the opposition’s No.1 tall forward – but that is not a slight. That said, his one-on-one defending is an area he can improve in.
Shifter says: “He’s the biggest bolter in now being considered a very early prospect. He’s super athletic, has a wonderful, natural spring, then when he hits the deck, he runs quickly and kicks the ball well. After one of the academy games, a recruiter told me he could play next week in the AFL. I know it’s a throwaway line, but it indicates how ready this young man is.”
Jack Whitlock
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country, key stuff, 200cm, 16/5/2006
Key Talent League stats (averages): 15 disposals, 2 goals, 8 score involvements
There are varied opinions on this year’s best key-position prospects, but Whitlock has positioned himself as a likely first-round selection. His brother Matt is also rated highly. A hand injury interrupted his season, but Whitlock is back playing for the Bushies and will be ready for the championships. His size, athleticism, marking ability and competitiveness are big ticks, and recruiters are excited about his upside, even if he is still a tad raw.
Shifter says: “Sometimes you get an early glimpse, and with this boy, it was his first game of the year against Tassie, when he kicked four goals. I was dying to see a 200cm boy [break out]. He grabbed that match by the scruff of the neck, and worked his way into the first of the AFL Academy games. He and his twin brother will be much talked about this year, and look to have the capabilities to play at both ends of the ground
With Vic Country playing their first champs game on the weekend it's time to take a closer look at the talented Lachie Jaques. Lachie is an intercepting and rebounding defender from the Geelong Falcons who's still flying a bit under the radar even though he's putting together a prolific campaign. He's strong overhead which allows him to play taller than his listed 184cm height, and has tidy foot skills.
Smiller and Faull or Nicholls sounds good.
Tank the season, shouldn't win any more games bar Dusty's 300th. Must lose to Norf.
Then trade all our other picks to get up the pecking order for Faull or Nicholls.
The HUN's top 25 power rankings for June.
1. Josh Smillie
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
The early favourite to be the No. 1 pick, Smillie is putting together an impressive campaign. A 194cm big-bodied midfielder who models his game on Carlton captain Patrick Cripps, Smillie has serious size, power and ball-winning ability. While primarily an onballer, he has also shown he can impact across halfback and half-forward if required. Smillie has averaged 24 disposals, 5.6 clearances and 1.6 goals across seven Coates Talent League matches for the Eastern Ranges this season, while also shining as captain in two AFL Academy exhibition matches in April.
2. Levi Ashcroft
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
A classy 179cm midfielder-forward, Ashcroft knows how to find the footy like few others in this year’s draft class. A Brisbane Lions father-son prospect, he could well match older brother Will and be a No. 2 pick to the Lions in November. The son of three-time premiership player Marcus, Ashcroft possesses elite workrate, makes good decisions and brings leadership. He has been a consistent performer at all levels of football this season, which has included games for the Sandringham Dragons, Brighton Grammar and the AFL Academy.
3. Finn O’Sullivan
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country
What sets O’Sullivan apart from the other midfielders in this draft is his well-rounded skillset. The Koroit talent is a great mark overhead, cuts opposition sides apart with his kicking and doesn’t need a lot of the footy to have a major impact. After being sidelined with a broken thumb earlier in the year, O’Sullivan will miss most of the national championships after undergoing surgery on a broken finger as his rotten luck continued. But he already has plenty of runs on the board, earning a spot in the U18 All-Australian team as a bottom-ager at last year’s carnival and claiming the MVP award at the U16 championships.
4. Jagga Smith
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
A lively and creative ball-winner, Smith is on the smaller side as a lightly-built 181cm midfielder. However, he more than makes up for it in resilience, footy smarts and pure skills. Smith has drawn comparisons to Port Adelaide’s Zak Butters this year, who is a player he watches closely. He was one of the best players for the AFL Academy against Footscray’s VFL side in April in his first game against men. Smith also made headlines after racking up 50 disposals for the Oakleigh Chargers in a recent Coates Talent League match, becoming just the third player in the competition’s history to reach that mark in a match.
5. Luke Trainor
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
A 194cm defender, Trainor has emerged as the best key position prospect this year. A former forward, he is now loving life down back and looks up to the likes of Tom Stewart and Jeremy Howe. Trainor’s overhead marking is a clear strength, while his one-on-one contest work has been impressive. With ball in hand he is highly composed and he possesses a nice kick to provide some rebound for his team. Trainor was best afield in the AFL Academy’s first exhibition match in April, while also playing some impressive games for the Dragons and school team Brighton Grammar.
6. Christian Moraes
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
A dynamic 183cm midfielder, Moraes is a running machine who covers the ground extremely well. He works hard both sides of the ball and can be dangerous around goals when he pushes forward, evidenced by his nine goals from his first three games for the Ranges this year. In the thick of the action, Moraes is tough, has clean hands and brings real composure. He had an up-and-down few weeks after copping a heavy knock during an AFL Academy game in April, but has still averaged 25.7 disposals, 5.3 marks, four clearances and 7.5 score involvements across six Coates Talent League games this year.
7. Leo Lombard
Gold Coast Suns Academy/Allies
While he is another player on the smaller side for a midfielder at 178cm, Lombard is hard-at-it and is a prolific ball winner. He featured in the Suns’ VFL premiership side as a 16-year-old last year and has continued to impress playing for multiple teams at different levels in the early part of this season – including another VFL appearance where he finished with 28 disposals. Lombard has a great workrate, is cool and composed with ball in hand and can be very dangerous around goal. He has been likened to AFL Rising Star nominee Jake Rogers, who has been working with Lombard and refers to him as being “like a little brother”.
8. Sid Draper
South Adelaide/South Australia
A powerful and quick midfielder, Draper starred as a bottom-age player for South Australia during last year’s under-18 national championships, winning the side’s MVP award. He has dazzling speed and elite workrate, allowing him to get from contest to contest and impact play. Draper – who looks up to Port Adelaide pair Connor Rozee and Zak Butters – missed the start of this season with stress fractures in his shin, but returned to fitness in time to captain his state in its first match of this year’s national championships.
9. Taj Hotton
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
A big improver this year, Hotton had some monster games in the early part of the season playing a variety of roles. He took his endurance to another level over the off-season, opening the door for more midfield minutes after spending most of last year across half-forward. The son of former Carlton and Collingwood player Trent, Hotton is dangerous and creative when in the forward half and averaged 28.7 disposals and 1.7 goals from his first three Coates Talent League games this year. Those performances saw him included as an injury replacement player for the AFL Academy’s first exhibition match against Coburg in April, where he again impressed with 18 disposals and two goals. Hotton will miss the rest of the year after rupturing his ACL at training in May, but he is still expected to be a high draft pick in November.
10. Matt Whitlock
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
A 197cm key position player, Whitlock has shown incredible ability at both ends of the ground this year. He started the season in defence for the Bushrangers, averaging 16.7 disposals, seven marks and 2.7 spoils across the first three games. Whitlock was then shifted forward and kicked five goals in his first game, before bagging another five majors just a few weeks later. He received a late call-up as an injury replacement player for the AFL Academy’s second match against Footscray VFL in April, where he was again able to show some exciting signs of things to come. Whitlock has a great ability to read the play, is impressive one-on-one, plucks plenty of nice overhead marks and generally uses the ball well.
11. Sam Lalor
GWV Rebels/Vic Country
The strong, bullocking midfielder has struggled for continuity in his draft year, sidelined in the pre-season with a hip injury and then encountering niggles in his foot and quad since. He showed off his forward craft in his first game of 2024 in APS football with Geelong Grammar, booting seven goals – six of those coming in the second half. Lalor played two games for Vic Country last season, tallying 17 disposals and eight clearances on debut, and averaged 20 disposals and eight tackles per game last year for the GWV Rebels.
12. Sam Marshall
Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
A 185cm midfielder from the Sunshine Coast, Marshall relocated to Victoria for school and has linked up the Sandringham Dragons. However, he is playing for the Allies in the national championships and has made an eye-catching start to the tournament. Across the first two matches for the Allies, Marshall averaged 28.5 disposals, 5.5 marks, 4.5 clearances and 5.5 score involvements. An elite runner, he knows how to find the footy, makes good decisions with ball in hand and can hit the scoreboard. Along with playing onball, he has also spent time on a wing and across halfback this year. The Brisbane Lions will have first access to him in the draft as a member of their Academy.
13. Tom Gross
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
An explosive and powerful 181cm midfielder-forward, Gross can impact games in a number of ways. He is dangerous around stoppages with his burst speed and isn’t afraid to take the game on, while he is also a strong overhead mark and can push forward and hit the scoreboard. Gross was lively with 21 disposals in the AFL Academy’s first game against Coburg in April. He missed the side’s second match through injury, but has averaged 24.7 disposals, four clearances, four marks, 6.7 score involvements and one goal from three matches for the Chargers so far this season, along with juggling school football duties for Trinity Grammar.
14. Jack Whitlock
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
Whitlock started his season with a bang, booting 4.4 from 20 disposals, which saw him parachuted into the AFL Academy game. The rangy 200cm key forward kicked two goals in a solid showing against Coburg and has 10 majors across five matches for the Murray Bushrangers. Has been overshadowed by his twin brother of late, but there isn’t much separating the promising pair.
15. Joe Berry
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
An early-season bolter, 180cm forward Berry has certainly had an impact for the Bushrangers in the first half of the Coates Talent League season. The left-footer possesses blistering high-end speed, brings great creativity around goal, has one-touch hands at ground level and works hard up the ground to find the footy. Berry has kicked four goals on four separate occasions for the Bushrangers this year and sits as the leading goalkicker in the Coates Talent League, outside of mid-season draftee Will McLachlan.
16. Noah Mraz
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
A Pies fan who got the chance to train with his heroes over the summer, Mraz has moulded his game on Darcy Moore — and there are certainly some similarities with his reading of the play and efficient kicking at 198cm. The Stingrays defender will miss another couple of months with a navicular foot issue, which he played through in four games in the Talent League and for the AFL Academy. He remains one of the best key backs in the pool.
17. Ben Camporeale
Glenelg/SA
The Carlton father-son prospect staked his claim as an early pick with a best-on-ground display in the U17 Futures game on grand final day last year. And he started the national championships in impressive fashion, winning 27 disposals, 19 uncontested possessions and six clearances in the Croweaters’ win over the Allies. The 186cm playmaker has a booming kick and can find the ball on the inside and outside.
18. Jobe Shanahan
Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
An exciting and athletic 194cm key forward, Shanahan is strong in the air, works hard up the ground and can kick a nice goal. He primarily played in defence with the Pioneers last year, but has been settled as a forward this season and booted four goals in his second Coates Talent League game of the year against the Murray Bushrangers. Shanahan also showed some good signs for the AFL Academy side in two exhibition matches in April, across which he kicked a total of three goals. Hailing from the NSW border town of Moama, Shanahan is representing the Allies in the national championships and impressed with 11 disposals, five marks (three contested), seven score involvements and two goals in the side’s second match against Western Australia.
19. Bo Allan
Peel Thunder/WA
Allan looks to be the top West Australian in a pool light on for top-end WA talent. The 191cm played the first two games of the WAFL senior season for Peel Thunder and played all four games for WA as a bottom-ager at last year’s championships. A defender or midfielder, Allan is athletic, competitive and reads the play well. Missed the first champs game with injury, but will be pivotal to WA’s when he is back out on the park.
20. Harry O’Farrell
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
A 196cm key defender who reads the ball well and is an exceptional athlete, O’Farrell’s aerial ability is his biggest strength. He has clean hands overhead and can work off his opponent to take intercepts or win contested marks in a pack. O’Farrell’s size and mobility allow him to match up on a range of opponents, which included Jed Walter when he was playing as a bottom-age player in the national championships last year. O’Farrell looks up to GWS star Harry Himmelberg and is working on being able to play at both ends of the ground. He showed glimpses in the first AFL Academy match in April, but missed the second game with a calf injury.
21. Isaac Kako
Calder/Cannons
Kako is one of the most enjoyable prospects to watch in the draft pool. He is dangerous around goal, has speed to burn and can fly high for a mark. His goalkicking has let him down this year, kicking 14.21 for the season, but he has had plenty of forward-half impact, averaging 18 disposals and eight score involvements this season. Kako is part of Essendon’s Next Generation Academy and is of Iraqi descent.
22. Jonty Faull
GWV Rebels/Vic Country
A stress fracture in his lower back sidelined this 195cm key forward for the first half of the season, but he returned in style for the Rebels in round 10 of the Coates Talent League. Faull bagged 5.2 from 14 disposals and four marks in attack, reminding scouts what he is capable of. A Carlton supporter who looks up to Charlie Curnow, Faull is agile and strong overhead. As a bottom-age player with the Rebels, he averaged 13.1 disposals and booted 20 goals across 12 games. Faull could well climb these rankings with a big national championships campaign.
23. Logan Smith
GWS Academy/Allies
Smith shapes as the best pure ruckman in the pool. The Giants Academy prospect has dominated at Coates League level, averaging 27 hit-outs, 18 disposals and six clearances and has been solid in the Allies’ two national championships outings to date. Smith has a great leap and follows up well at ground level.
24. Xavier Lindsay
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
Lindsay has led the way for the Gippsland Power this season and has had significant impact forward of centre, averaging 26 disposals, seven score involvements and seven clearances per game. The Power midfielder enjoys getting his hands dirty and has a burst of speed from congestion that hurts opposition sides.
25. Tobie Travaglia
Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Travaglia has had a superb start to the year for the Pioneers, earning him a call-up to the AFL Academy side. The speedster impressed with 15 disposals and four marks across halfback, and he has averaged 25 disposals, five marks and five tackles as a midfielder in the Talent League. He has gamebreaking qualities and his stocks will only rise if he can put together a strong national carnival.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2024-top-25-prospects-ranked-as-under18-national-championships-continue/news-story/ac7c7284c9f7d9ddf99192fb372d4018
2024 has been quite the odyssey for Moraes. Entering the season as an inside/outside mid, he's played both forward and wing this year, and now it seems that he's been designated as a rebounding defender for Vic Metro in this champs series. The only position he hasn't played is ruck (yet!). He showed some nice footy IQ to read the play and intercept the ball, and his excellent tank allowed him to run off his man to create outnumbers up the ground, but his variable foot skills seem unsuited to playing the rebounding role and resulted in a few turnovers here.
I think Smillie goes to North.
The have all small sized mids. Powell, Phillips, Wardlaw even LDU isn't huge. They absolutely need Smillie. Id be wrapped with Jagga, who may be more someone we need to compliment the more contested types of McAullife and Dow.
We love a good "basketball background" in the AFL, and Dodson's is so strong that we're still unsure which sport he's going to pick. This was the most impressive ruck performance so far this Champs series, and Dodson seems to have all the attributes you'd want in a ruck. Competes strongly and follows up on the ground with clean hands, positions himself well around the ground and takes intercept marks, long penetrating kick (although his technique could use some work).
Tobie was a one man wall for Vic Country in an incredibly impressive display of small/medium defending. He took 5 intercept marks as a part of 13 overall intercept possessions, not to mention spoils, tackles and other 1% efforts to disrupt both his direct opponent and the opposition team as a whole.
Trainor picked a bad moment to have by far his worst game of the season. Strangely enough he started pretty well when conditions were at their worst, but as the game progressed he appeared to increasingly struggle with the wet conditions, and made a series of mistakes that seemed to shake his confidence. He appeared to deal poorly with the higher level of pressure applied by his opponents at times, which will be something to watch going forward.
Footy Stuff Player Profile:
He’ll be hoping to grow a couple more cm’s, but at 193 he’s able to impact in the air even though it's not his strongest suit. He's an extremely proactive defender, zoning way off his opponent and backing himself to judge the flow of play and intercept or impact third up, then runs off to help build attacking moves.
Murphy justified his selection in a stacked Metro midfield group with an excellent game in tricky conditions. He was clean at ground level and active around stoppage, and while his disposals didn't always hit their mark he was progressive and creative with his decision making.
Murphy Reid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AOdiKmqnJsQuoteMurphy justified his selection in a stacked Metro midfield group with an excellent game in tricky conditions. He was clean at ground level and active around stoppage, and while his disposals didn't always hit their mark he was progressive and creative with his decision making.
Maybe we could at least get the Kmart Reid...... :shh
A solid first Champs outing for Joe Berry who show cased the exiting and damaging package of skills he brings to a forward line. Started strongly in the first half, regularly leading up to the wings to get involved. Was quieter in the second but made the most of his opportunities to snag a couple of crucial goals and finish with three for the game.
One of Metro's best on the day, Harry Oliver showed both his attacking and defensive potential here. He spent a decent amount of the game matched up on the red hot Leo Lombard and kept him relatively quiet while picking his moments to run off and create with linking run and penetrating disposal.
The wet conditions made it tough for flair players like Kako, but he still managed to flash moments of his talent, and was relatively clean with the slippery ball.
Playing predominantly forward, Gerreyn showed how dangerous he can be as a threat in the air and on the ground. At 199cm he's still capable of swooping on loose balls to create scoring opportunities for himself or his teammates with lovely skills by hand or on either foot.
Bo Allan's size and power through the midfield proved too difficult for South Australia to handle. There's not a lot of subtlety to Allan's midfield craft at this stage, but he's super competitive and crashes through bodies taking the footy with him or creating space in his wake. His bone crunching tackles were also a feature.
Another strong performance from Urquhart who was the heartbeat of the WA midfield as they upset the hot favourite SA. He was the largest stoppage influence on the ground, his size and explosive movement difficult to deal with. He was able to find space and use hit long penetrating kick to pump the ball inside 50 11 times for the match.
Sid was quieter this week disposal wise along with a number of his SA teammates as they took a surprise beating from WA. The positive is that he appears to be elevating parts of his game each week as he regains full match fitness following a long injury layoff. After an improvement last week his stoppage work was better again here, and he showed more intent to chase and apply defensive pressure around the contest. He seems to be setting himself up for a strong finish to the season.
There was a lot to get excited about with this performance by the 197cm key forward Charlie Nicholls. He moved super well, presenting all over the ground and drawing the footy. He competed well in the air, always at least halving the contest and providing his smaller forwards with ground level opportunities. He dropped some marks that he would expect to clunk, but his hands became increasingly sticky as the game progressed and he gained in confidence. The one area for concern would have to be his set shot kicking which has been wayward through the Champs series so far.
Pass, surely there is better out there
Wayward kicking.
Sounds like John Butcher haha.
Some blokes never get better so I would be wary.
Zak seems to be a footballer in search of a position, or perhaps just an old school utility that can play very well no matter where he is on the ground. He started this game in the floating/intercepting defensive role that we've seen him playing the last month or so at Talent League level, but with the Knights getting overrun through the midfield he was enlisted to help onball in the third quarter. He responded with a big term, finding the footy and surging his team forward, getting involved in multiple scoring chains and even getting on the end of one himself.
And just like that we have a new pick 1 contender. Sam Lalor playing his first game back in the Talent League since returning from a long injury layoff to start the season demonstrates that every part of his game is in tip top condition as he turns in possibly the best performance of the season. Powerful, brutal, attacking and clean, he was strong overhead, hit up targets over all distances by foot and absorbed contact to release teammates with long creative handballs. The most impressive thing of all might have been his bruising tackles.
Lalor is a very solid player, my issue with the highlights that I've seen he is always by himself at stoppages. So that's a bit of a question mark in terms of how well rounded he is as a mid. Lots of players can rack up big numbers when you are unopposed, but he certainly finds the footy and has a crack.If we draft him he will play back pocket…..
Josh Smillie has always been my choice, but Jagga is going to be a really hard player to not pick. He just finds a pissload of the footy.
In conditions more suited to his game than Metro's wet opener Sims was able to show what he's capable of in that modern stuff role. He was a damaging marking threat all game taking several contested grabs, in particular when he was played deep forward where WA's key defenders struggled to deal with his size and strength. He could have had an even bigger day out if he'd been a little more accurate in front of goal.
One of the leading key forward prospects in this years draft pool Jobe Shanahan kicked a bag of 5 goals for his Pioneers team as they came up just short against the Stingrays by the slimmest of margins.
Sound good but are they injury prone,
(https://i.imgur.com/gfk3BsR.png)
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1806342747009237138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1806342747009237138%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
:shh
A lowish possession count not withstanding, Lindsay was close to BOG in this game. He was competitive, clever and slick at stoppage, winning more clearances than any other player and regularly initiating forward breakaways or applying tackling pressure if needed. When he found the ball in space his usage by foot was creative and precise.
Xavier Lindsay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21lVpWLlu-IQuoteA lowish possession count not withstanding, Lindsay was close to BOG in this game. He was competitive, clever and slick at stoppage, winning more clearances than any other player and regularly initiating forward breakaways or applying tackling pressure if needed. When he found the ball in space his usage by foot was creative and precise.
:shh
Lachie showed the full package in a fantastic performance here. He was excellent in the air, taking several intercept marks as part of his 9 intercept possessions for the game, he ran off his opponent assertively to launch attacking moves and he used his tidy foot skills to hit targets at varying distances.
Lachie Jaques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoYsMEgCIAQQuoteLachie showed the full package in a fantastic performance here. He was excellent in the air, taking several intercept marks as part of his 9 intercept possessions for the game, he ran off his opponent assertively to launch attacking moves and he used his tidy foot skills to hit targets at varying distances.
Lalor or Smillie for me.
I want a tall, powerful midfielder. As close to Cripps or Bont as we can get.
Not keen on the 180cm guys tbh.
A few concerns about Smillie for me - goes to ground too easily, looks poor below his knees and although they say he's tested quicker than Cripps, Bont & Green, he doesn't look all that quick to me... :shh
Lalor or Smillie for me.
I want a tall, powerful midfielder. As close to Cripps or Bont as we can get.
Not keen on the 180cm guys tbh.
An RCD type you say?....
Jagga Smith highlights (25 disposals, eight clearances) from the Vic Metro vs Vic Country game on the weekend.
https://x.com/rfcswallace/status/1812757350169891022
I saw in Twitter or X as it's now known that one of Smillie or Smith will playing in our VFL side in the coming weeks
Unfortunately I can't find the post. It was mentioned on the Talking Tigers podcast this week
I'll try and dig it up
SMITH TO GET VFL TASTE
TOP DRAFT prospect Jagga Smith will play for Richmond's VFL side over the next month after a stellar under-18 campaign for Vic Metro.
Smith was named skipper of the All-Australian team after captaining Vic Metro to its title win and has averaged 35 disposals for the Oakleigh Chargers this season.
Read somewhere that he is a local Richmond lad. Can anyone confirm this? If so no go home factor is a plus.What if he wants to play for Richmond Centrals
Who played with us last year? Think Harley Reid played for the Scum's VFL side...Oliver played with us in his draft year as well.....can't remember if Heppell played or just trained...obviously didn't impress.. :shh
Who played with us last year? Think Harley Reid played for the Scum's VFL side...Oliver played with us in his draft year as well.....can't remember if Heppell played or just trained...obviously didn't impress.. :shh
Cant complain about Heppell as we did get Conca...................
Jagga Smith is playing in our VFL side this weekend.
Jagga Smith is playing in our VFL side this weekend.
This is really telling, hope the lad goes well.
Jagga Smith is playing in our VFL side this weekend.
This is really telling, hope the lad goes well.
Not necessarily - Oliver played with us when we were no chance of getting him ....Harley Reid played for Scumbaggers VFL last year and there was no chance he was going anywhere but West Coast or Norf who both still contending for the wooden spoon)... :shh
Jagga Smith is playing in our VFL side this weekend.
This is really telling, hope the lad goes well.
Not necessarily - Oliver played with us when we were no chance of getting him ....Harley Reid played for Scumbaggers VFL last year and there was no chance he was going anywhere but West Coast or Norf who both still contending for the wooden spoon)... :shh
We can always invite whoever we want down but with number 1 pick or number 2 pick it has far more meaning, and allows us to see the possible drafted players more closely. We were never going to pick up Oliver and Reid was always going Pick 1 or 2. The fact we have invited / allowed Jagga to play is a great sign we are looking at him and going to get a better look by having him in our VFL side.
I just like the name Jagga. Having 30 in your first VFL game is pretty impressive too.
That's more of a reason to draft him than anyone else we've recruited recently
What's his height and weight? Doesn't look good for size from that shot.
Of the limited footage of Lalor I have seen he seems more like Michael Voss type of player.
Don't remember O'Meara ever being huge ...had a decent pair of guns for his size but that was about it....was hardly built like Jack Graham let alone Rowell and still isn't.... :shh
Few rumours around we are exploring oppa to get another lick in top 10. Id assume we are keen on Draper or Lalor to go with Jagga or Smith at 1.
Or I wonder if we would trade Pick 1 for 2 other first round picks
Ooo power wankings
Ooo power wankings
Close the porn hub tab when you're on here champ and you won't get your replies mixed up.... :shh
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking
Remember, this is a ranking of the best prospects and does not take into account where bids on father-son or Academy players will come or where the players will necessarily get selected.
1. Levi Ashcroft 18/12/2006 179cm Midfielder Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
2. Josh Smillie 17/05/2006 194cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
3. Finn O'Sullivan 30/05/2006 182cm Midfielder Oakleigh Charges/Vic Country
4. Harvey Langford 15/03/2006 190cm Midfielder Dandy Stingrays/Vic Country
5. Murphy Reid 30/07/2006 180cm Midfielder/Forward Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
6. Jagga Smith 28/01/2006 181cm Midfielder Oakleigh Charges/Vic Metro
7. Luke Trainor 10/04/2006 194cm Defender Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
8. Sam Lalor 30/08/2006 187cm Midfielder GWV Rebels/Vic Country
9. Sid Draper 05/07/2006 180cm Midfielder South Adelaide/SA
10. Bo Allan 16/02/2006 191cm Midfielder/Defender Peel Thunder/WA
11. Leo Lombard 05/10/2006 178cm Midfielder Gold Coast Suns Academy/Allies
12. Taj Hotton 17/06/2006 182cm Midfielder/Forward Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
13. Tobie Travaglia 26/10/2006 187cm Defender Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
14. Harry Armstrong 14/06/2006 195cm Tall Forward Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
15. Isaac Kako 07/03/2006 175cm Small Forward Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
16. Xavier Lindsay 03/08/2006 183cm Midfielder Gippsland Power/Vic Country
17. Joe Berry 18/04/2006 180cm Small Forward Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
18. Jack Whitlock 16/05/2006 200cm Key Forward Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
19. Cooper Hynes 28/02/2006 190cm Midfielder/Forward Dandy Stingrays/Vic Country
20. Tom Gross 15/09/2006 181cm Midfielder/Forward Oakleigh Charges/Vic Metro
21. Sam Marshall 19/01/2006 185cm Midfielder Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
22. Christian Moraes 08/11/2006 183cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
23. Alex Dodson 15/06/2006 203cm Ruckman Sturt/SA
24. Alixzander Tauru 16/11/2006 193cm Tall Defender Gippsland Power/Vic Country
25. Harrison Oliver 15/06/2006 181cm Defender Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
26. Matt Whitlock 16/05/2006 199cm Key Forward/Defender Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
27. Jobe Shanahan 02/08/2006 194cm Tall Forward Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
28. Jonty Faull 01/02/2006 195cm Tall Forward GWV Rebels/Vic Country
29. Thomas Sims 12/05/2006 199cm Tall Forward Northern Knights/Vic Metro
30. Noah Mraz 20/02/2006 198cm Tall Defender/Forward Dandy Stingrays/Vic Country
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1173505/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-july-ranking
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide July extra: The 10 next best
Jasper Alger 17/12/2006 182cm Forward Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country
Ned Bowman 12/09/2006 186cm Forward Norwood/SA
Ben Camporeale 21/07/2006 186cm Midfielder Glenelg/SA
Angus Clarke 08/05/2006 188cm Defender Glenelg/SA
Adrian Cole 05/01/2006 195cm Tall defender Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
Jesse Dattoli 07/07/2006 179cm Forward/midfielder Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Josh Dolan 11/11/2006 177cm Midfielder/forward Sandy Dragons/Vic Metro
Charlie Nicholls 08/06/2006 197cm Tall forward/defender Central District/SA
Harry O'Farrell 03/05/2006 196cm Tall defender Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
Logan Smith 24/09/2006 204cm Ruckman GWS Academy/Allies
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1179982/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-july-extra-the-10-next-best
Lindsay was as impressive as always in difficult conditions, winning plenty of the ball and battling to hit targets through the tricky wind. Swimming the channel, climbing mount Everest, and kicking goals into the wind at Williamstown oval... these are some of the toughest challenges known to mankind, but Xavier and his Gippsland teammates made it look easy in the fourth quarter as they pulled away to record an impressive win.
Much was expected of Day-Wicks entering 2024, but his season has been a mixed bag to this stage. He has bags of talent and x-factor, a powerful athlete and a great size for the medium forward or midfield roles, but he's mercurial and prone to patches in games where he disappears. A solid close to the season could see him fly up draft boards given his attributes.
This game was a bit of a mess given the rain bucketing down which turned the field into a mud heap, but Day-Wicks cut the game open at times. Unfortunately the classic Talent League "Technical Difficulties" lost us a chunk of the fourth quarter including one of his goals.
Langford had a superb Champs series and was duly named joint winner of the Larke medal for player of the tournament.
The awful conditions didn't much bother Travaglia who seemed to enjoy sliding around and crashing into people in the mud. His nine tackles were a standout, but perhaps more impressive was his ability to hit the scoreboard and convert with a slippery footy. Unfortunately, not enough of his teammates followed his example, and Bendigo suffered a heavy loss.
Josh Smillie has dominated for Australia, Vic Metro and the Eastern Ranges as a big-bodied midfielder.
His sharp kicking and strength on the inside are hallmarks of his game.
More Josh Smillie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqEaZDOW84QuoteJosh Smillie has dominated for Australia, Vic Metro and the Eastern Ranges as a big-bodied midfielder.
His sharp kicking and strength on the inside are hallmarks of his game.
Rubbish write up...didn't "dominate" at all in the champs and was actually quite underwhelming ... :shh
Full highlights of the fantastic Champs run by Metro MVP Murphy Reid.
Murphy Reid - Full Champs Highlights:Well he doesn’t have a weight problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlfh7hqk3oYQuoteFull highlights of the fantastic Champs run by Metro MVP Murphy Reid.
Rate this kid.....Tiges supporter too.... :shh
Good news for us. We'll be loaded
WC beating GC is huge.
Means North have a buffer on WC in beating us and keeping Pick 2.
Saints can now climb GC and hand them pick 5 which if Rioli goes North would chomp the hand off at Pick 5. Especially if they are handing away Pick 7 and Bowes type garbage.
Big result for us.
Davidson the only VFL player invited to the state combine so far...still don't get all the fuss over this bloke...... :huhJust the one VFL player invited to the AFL state draft combines, but a good one - Richmond's Sam 'Doc' Davidson, one of the favourites for the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal. One recruiter reckons he's a certainty to be drafted.
The move of Travaglia into the middle continues with reasonable success. His intense competitiveness leads to him applying significant defensive pressure around contests and stoppage, and his high work rate allows him to find plenty of the footy on the spread. He's not as clean with his hands and incisive with his movement as other top line mids in the pool at this stage though, which leads to most of his work at stoppage being scrappy.
A day to remember for Jobe Shanahan as he made his VFL debut and managed to mark the occasion by slotting 4 goals to help his team get up for a win. His second goal was an outstanding solo effort with a contested mark, follow by a quick and decisive play on and long running shot from outside 50s to an empty goal square. His third and fourth goals showed his lead/mark craft as well as lovely set shot goal kicking from near the 50 meter arc.
This performance is an example of how basic stats can be misleading. Malakai was super impactful in his second WAFL outing, prowling the ground level of the Subiaco forward line and causing chaos, often to the advantage of his team. He kicked a couple of goals, and could have contributed more if the territory battle hadn't been so significantly in Swan Districts favour which starved him of opportunities.
I hope we can take Harry Armstrong.
Harry Armstrong is building a strong case to be the first key forward to have his name read out on draft night. Here we see his first game back in the Talent League after an injury layoff and a break to play school footy. Not a prolific outing possession wise, but he showed how dangerous he can be with the opportunities that come his way slotting 4 goals including the game winner on the siren after a typical demonstration of his lead/mark craft.
I hope we can take Harry Armstrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lucIMs6mTL8QuoteHarry Armstrong is building a strong case to be the first key forward to have his name read out on draft night. Here we see his first game back in the Talent League after an injury layoff and a break to play school footy. Not a prolific outing possession wise, but he showed how dangerous he can be with the opportunities that come his way slotting 4 goals including the game winner on the siren after a typical demonstration of his lead/mark craft.
:shh
Range is 5 to 12
O’Sullivan joining Jagga in playing for our vfl side this weekend.
O’Sullivan joining Jagga in playing for our vfl side this weekend.
That’s massive if true
seems to me there are a lot of shorter mids touted early first rounders than those over 6ft.
Is that right?
seems to me there are a lot of shorter mids touted early first rounders than those over 6ft.
Is that right?
Smilie 194, Lalor 187, Langford 190, Hynes 190 all in the mix....apparently Toce likes Langford - dunno if that means we'll take him a #1 or not because we also like Smith and now O'Sullivan -who's my pick along with Lalor- will be playing for our VFL side as well this week..........club also rates Lalor very highly or at least did a month or so ago..... Hynes tipped to go in 20's.... :shh
seems to me there are a lot of shorter mids touted early first rounders than those over 6ft.
Is that right?
Smilie 194, Lalor 187, Langford 190, Hynes 190 all in the mix....apparently Toce likes Langford - dunno if that means we'll take him a #1 or not because we also like Smith and now O'Sullivan -who's my pick along with Lalor- will be playing for our VFL side as well this week..........club also rates Lalor very highly or at least did a month or so ago..... Hynes tipped to go in 20's.... :shh
We should just draft them all, along with that tall forward you mentioned
Not been here for a week or so. Do we have picks 1,3,5,7, 9, 11 and 17 yet.Exactly, great odds, no chance of an even pick there??
Surely that is doable hurry up and get it done.
If Ashcroft is the best available talent then I hope we select him with pick 1. Sick of clubs not picking F/S players at their true position just because they know they won’t actually play for them. Make the clubs getting the players as accountable as possible and give up the maximum amount of points.
Big bags of goals are a little more rare in this competition in recent years, but Sims showed just how dangerous he can be posting the largest single game tally of the season so far with seven. He started slowly, barely sighted through three and a half quarters before suddenly bursting into life, slotting goals and find space everywhere in the forward line, piling on four goals in a 10 minute burst to close the third term. He kept up that form through the fourth quarter, adding three more and honestly could have had 10 or more with a number of other gettable chances going astray.
Dyson Sharp, the red hot favourite to be pick 1 in 2025, made his senior SANFL debut yesterday as a 17 year old and had an excellent outing in messy conditions for Central Districts. The physical side of the game just comes so naturally to Dyson and he showed it throughout by consistently out muscling and overpowering men many years his senior. He was pivotal in Central getting back into the game in the third quarter, influencing contests and hitting the scoreboard with a roost from outside 50.
Anyone know the differential of points if we happen to win next week?
IE if Norf get pumped and we win what needs to happen to move us up?
Thank youAnyone know the differential of points if we happen to win next week?
IE if Norf get pumped and we win what needs to happen to move us up?
61 points
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2024/08/21/scouting-notes-2024-coates-talent-league-round-18/
:shh
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2024/08/21/scouting-notes-2024-coates-talent-league-round-18/
:shh
Levi Ashcroft 46 possessions!!
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2024/08/21/scouting-notes-2024-coates-talent-league-round-18/
:shh
Levi Ashcroft 46 possessions!!
Can't get him but surely we'll at least make the Bears pay..... :shh
We aren't fair dinkum if we don't discuss with Brisbane our intentions to bid on him at 1 unless they give us overs for pick swaps to get enough points. It's draft tampering but as if it wouldn't happen on the sly.
Agree that we won't pick Ashcroft and we take Lions first round picks for picks in the 30s.
We aren't fair dinkum if we don't discuss with Brisbane our intentions to bid on him at 1 unless they give us overs for pick swaps to get enough points. It's draft tampering but as if it wouldn't happen on the sly.As RO said
Agree that we won't pick Ashcroft and we take Lions first round picks for picks in the 30s.
I'd be bidding on anyone worth a bid.
Other clubs can get stuffed.
It's a competition, not a collaboration.
P1 in jeopardy.
Let's make sure we win and build that winning culture lol
P1 in jeopardy.
Let's make sure we win and build that winning culture lol
Let’s make sure we tank and finish last because that has worked out sooooooooo well for clubs in the past and because the no.1 pick this year is rated soooooooooo much better than pick 2
P1 in jeopardy.
Let's make sure we win and build that winning culture lol
Let’s make sure we tank and finish last because that has worked out sooooooooo well for clubs in the past and because the no.1 pick this year is rated soooooooooo much better than pick 2
Or split P1! Worth more.
Better options.
Nothing to be proud of finishing 17th either IMO.
you get the first pick in every round. First pick in the psd.. first pick in the rookie.
you get the first pick in every round. First pick in the psd.. first pick in the rookie.No need for the name calling. He just wants a win, so do i.
you get the first pick in every round. First pick in the psd.. first pick in the rookie.Name one team that found success doing this.. since the draft inception.. I cannot think of 1.
Unfortunately no sound on the source broadcast.
Just when I think the race for pick 1 couldn't get any messier, we get a performance like this from Lalor. As powerful and dynamic a contested game as I've seen this year. He won his own footy at stoppage, took contested intercept marks around the ground, layed bumps and tackles. He was an unstoppable beast all game, although his kicking was a little more wayward than usual.
Geez there are some decent kids in this draft.
Im warming to Draper at 1 but boy id give my right arm to get say pick 6 and 9. 6 would go on one of Smillie or Lalor depending which one is still there then id use pick 9 on the badly needed kpf in Armstrong.
So we get a classy inside out small mid and then we get a quality bull at 6. Round out the top 10 picks with a kpf.
Get 3 off the Eagles somehowNot that hard.
Get 3 off the Eagles somehowNot that hard.
Trade Bolton for Freo's 9 and 10.
Trade Baker and 10 for WC 3.
Before you say its impossible.
3 is worth 2234
10 is worth 1395
Difference is 839 = pick 22 or 23
So rates Baker at pick 22. More than fair
ATM WC have only 3, 23 and 59
They would have 10, 23, 59, Baker
In this years draft 10 may well be as good a player as 3.
Get 3 off the Eagles somehowNot that hard.
Trade Bolton for Freo's 9 and 10.
Trade Baker and 10 for WC 3.
Before you say its impossible.
3 is worth 2234
10 is worth 1395
Difference is 839 = pick 22 or 23
So rates Baker at pick 22. More than fair
ATM WC have only 3, 23 and 59
They would have 10, 23, 59, Baker
In this years draft 10 may well be as good a player as 3.
Graham goes for free to WC as an unrestricted free agent so ignore him.
WC as I said have only 3 and 23.
As a straight swap for WC they would have to split pick 3 to make an offer for Baker. Why not do it for them.
My example was only to show it was relatively easy to get pick 3.
We could bundle any pick (we will have maybe 13, 20 or 26 as GC picks or our own 21)
It's actually crazily possible we have the following picks.
1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 19, 24
To be adjusted for compo, F/S, academy and priority picks.
Rioli for 6 and 15
Bolton for 9, 10
Baker for 12 (WCE get 12 from Hawks for Barrass)
Late picks (points for Ashcroft) to Lions for Pick 18
Late picks (points for Lombard) to Suns for pick 24.
Let's say Battle gets Saints a compo pick after their 1st pick.
Add Ashcroft and Lombard in 1st round.
Add NM 2 priority picks at start of 2nd round.
Picks end up
1, 6, 10, 11, 13, 16, 19, 21, 26
(Ashcroft and Lombard locked to BL and GC)
7 first round picks, 9 in top 30 would be best draft hand in history. I can't recall an expansion club having better. Some had picks 1 and 2 but this is unmatched.
I was just looking at the points for each pick.
Lions and Carlton may be in deep trouble.
Lions currently have 1466 points. If Ashcroft gets an offer at 1 (given he's tipped as the best) lions need 2400 with a 20% discount.
Blues currently have 2197 points. They cant get both Camporeale boys if they get high bids.
Wouldn't think Lions or Blues future firsts will be worth much considering they're possibly top four next year.
eg Freo's 9 or 10 this year are likely to be better than Lions first next year = 14 for 4th spot.
Interesting.
Will Richmond and/or North bid on these three.
I dream about getting 1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 10, 18, 19, 24..It all sounds good, but considering not many draft picks play in their first year, round 1 against Carlton will be a massacre.
Means trading Lynch to Melbourne for pick 5 as well.
They need a key forward now.
We pay 2/3 of next year.
Lynch only has about 2 or 3 years left even if fit and wont play finals for the next couple of years if all the others leave.
Agree, unless we do something really stupid like trade in Petracca via the YZE connection, but they couldn’t be that stupid could they !?!?!?
Still think people are being crazy optimistic but hey its almost the silly season.
If i could split pick 1 for 4 and 8 id do it. Not sure how you get that done so will leave it.
Pick 6 and 9 would be my aim and priority to get in player trades.
The top ten has its fair share of similar mids around 180 - 182cm. so pick 1 one on one of Lalor, Smillie and Langford.
. Then 6 goes on maybe Draper or the best of thats left of the smaller mids. They include Draper, Smith, Reid, Osullivan Ashcroft. 9 goes on Armstrong and 12 back to the mids or a real classy speedy hb to replace Rioli or classy small forward.
I think a more realistic net would be
Rioli for 6 and 20 or 26.
Bolton for 9 and 17. Id be happy to get 9 and their future first.
Baker for possibly 12 Barass, and we flip them a decent pick as they will want something back if its pick 12.
Graham may get what 22 more likely 40 odd depending on contract.
Bundling of picks well we may have to give more than what we get because there will be competition for picks.
Collingwood have a very poor draft hand we could offer two picks in the twenties for their future first.
What ever we do we should have a very strong draft hand
I dream about getting 1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 10, 18, 19, 24..
Means trading Lynch to Melbourne for pick 5 as well.
They need a key forward now.
We pay 2/3 of next year.
Lynch only has about 2 or 3 years left even if fit and wont play finals for the next couple of years if all the others leave.
Still think people are being crazy optimistic but hey its almost the silly season.
If i could split pick 1 for 4 and 8 id do it. Not sure how you get that done so will leave it.
Pick 6 and 9 would be my aim and priority to get in player trades.
The top ten has its fair share of similar mids around 180 - 182cm. so pick 1 one on one of Lalor, Smillie and Langford.
. Then 6 goes on maybe Draper or the best of thats left of the smaller mids. They include Draper, Smith, Reid, Osullivan Ashcroft. 9 goes on Armstrong and 12 back to the mids or a real classy speedy hb to replace Rioli or classy small forward.
I think a more realistic net would be
Rioli for 6 and 20 or 26.
Bolton for 9 and 17. Id be happy to get 9 and their future first.
Baker for possibly 12 Barass, and we flip them a decent pick as they will want something back if its pick 12.
Graham may get what 22 more likely 40 odd depending on contract.
Bundling of picks well we may have to give more than what we get because there will be competition for picks.
Collingwood have a very poor draft hand we could offer two picks in the twenties for their future first.
What ever we do we should have a very strong draft hand
Dio look away now
It's behind the HUN's pay wall but...
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Boltons trade request is official too.
It’s pretty surreal after all the talk all year it’s finally official.
I must say I’m sad to lose baker and Rioli but what great return on investment all 3 will be.
Also I’m very excited to see what we can do with these picks. The wise man in me says spread them out over 2 drafts, but the thought of acquiring 2 or 3 of jagga, fos, smillie, lalor, Draper, Langford, armstrong is very exciting.
Dio look away now
It's behind the HUN's pay wall but...
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I just don't get it......oh well....no doubt Diadoro will be all over him and for once I hope he gets his man.... :shh
Dio look away now
It's behind the HUN's pay wall but...
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I just don't get it......oh well....no doubt Diadoro will be all over him and for once I hope he gets his man.... :shh
DoodleHead isn’t with Essendon anymore
Dio look away now
It's behind the HUN's pay wall but...
Every club is on to him’: Rivals look to swoop on Tigers bolter
A Richmond VFL bolter looms as a key piece of the club’s AFL rebuild — as long as the Tigers can ward off growing interest from rivals who are clamouring over Sam Davidson. SUBSCRIBE to find out more
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I just don't get it......oh well....no doubt Diadoro will be all over him and for once I hope he gets his man.... :shh
So with delisting and players leaving, how many spots do we have on our list?
Pickett retired
Grimes retired
Dusty retired
Colina please delist
Rioli, Baker, Bolton, Graham
So that is 8 plus, any more??
So with delisting and players leaving, how many spots do we have on our list?
Pickett retired
Grimes retired
Dusty retired
Colina please delist
Rioli, Baker, Bolton, Graham
So that is 8 plus, any more??
Should leave 1 empty for MSD too since we'll probably be 18th
Dio, I assume LTI = Late Trade Inclusions, Personally I am barracking for WWO = World Without AcronymsSo with delisting and players leaving, how many spots do we have on our list?
Pickett retired
Grimes retired
Dusty retired
Colina please delist
Rioli, Baker, Bolton, Graham
So that is 8 plus, any more??
Should leave 1 empty for MSD too since we'll probably be 18th
PSD & SSP mainly....with the MSD , you're usually anticipating an LTI.... :shh
LTI = Long Term Injury ListSo we have 5 spots??
Colina is a category B rookie so sits outside our primary list and isn't eligible for seniors unless we have players in the LTI, as he needs to be promoted.
Cat A rookies like say Campbell and Blight are eligible for selection at anytime
Also, remember two spots from any delistings are automatically taken up by Blight and Grey. As those currently on LTI will be coming off it for the start of 2025
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https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1829323112552485127
Let's find a way to get FOS,Lalor, Reid & Armstrong
Let's find a way to get FOS,Lalor, Reid & Armstrong
fixed.. :shh
Jagar smith in the sam walsh mode? He seems to get a lot of the pill as does Walsh.
Let's find a way to get FOS,Lalor, Reid & Armstrong
fixed.. :shh
I'm sure you'd know better than me!
I'm actually excited about the draft for a change, after years of crappy picks bar Gibcus.
Jagar smith in the sam walsh mode? He seems to get a lot of the pill as does Walsh.
Chris Masten
In Jagga we trust... :shh
This was a fascinating watch as Jagga had to fight through a hard tag all game. Bottom ager Felix Kneipp got the job which he stuck to with discipline, working extra hard at stoppage to scrag and block Jagga's run and sticking with him as best he could on the spread. Jagga got frustrated at times, giving away a few retaliatory free kicks, but he mostly stuck at it and worked extra hard to break free which he managed at key moments, especially in the second half where he kicked a goal and played a role in a couple of other scoring chains.
Footy Stuff Player Profile:
Jagga Smith - 181cm midfielder. A little whippet who belies his size with some serious inside ball winning ability. Similar to Sid Draper with his inside/outside game, burst of speed and the endurance to find space and link the play. He’s one of the oldest in the draft pool with a January birthday, and turned in an excellent, mature bottom aged campaign averaging 28 touches for the Chargers in season 2023. Needs to continue to work on his kicking and his defensive efforts.
In Jagga we trust... :shh
In Jagga we trust... :shh
Geez hes a good player but for me no thanks not at pick 1.
There are players there in the same ball park atm who project a higher upside than him imo.
For me Sid Draper at 1 this kid looks a real beaut. Hoping like mad one of Lalor or Smillie get to pick 6. Armstrong at 9 or 12 don't think he will get past 12.
Really like the look of Travaglia be a great replace for Rioli. So that for now would be my top 4 picks given we actually end up with those picks
Speed and fitness. What it is not about is winning clearance.
As we did previously, the Hawks are showing that speed, pressure and turnovers will always win you finals.
Let's get some elite runners with excellent work rate.
I’m starting to get whispers that Langford will be taken at pick 1 :shh
Don't care who we get as long as we get Dyson Sharp next year.... :shh
Is there a world where we get picks 1,2,3 ?
Is there a world where we get picks 1,2,3 ?
Get 6,9, 10 & 12
Give 6 & 9 to Norf for 2
Give 10 & Baker to WC for 3.
End up with 1,2,3,12,21 plus maybe Brisbane's first for academy players then general upgrades.
Is there a world where we get picks 1,2,3 ?
Get 6,9, 10 & 12
Give 6 & 9 to Norf for 2
Give 10 & Baker to WC for 3.
End up with 1,2,3,12,21 plus maybe Brisbane's first for academy players then general upgrades.
So, while the Kangaroos weigh up their options at Pick 2, would they consider splitting that selection for a pair of top 10 picks?
Currently, Fremantle are the only club that could offer that good of a draft hand as they hold Picks 9 and 10, the latter being traded from Collingwood last year.
The Dockers are a chance to part with one or both of those picks as they look to lure Richmond pair Shai Bolton and Liam Baker to Cockburn, meaning the Tigers might be a bidder for Pick 2.
Richmond are also said to be a chance of securing Gold Coast's selection of Pick 6 in a trade deal for Daniel Rioli, meaning the Tigers could hold selections 1, 6 and 9/10, placing them as a key player in the early stages of this year's draft.
Pick 6 and either 9 or 10 could be packaged to satisfy the Roos in a deal for Pick 2, a trade that would give North Melbourne two bites in the top 10 while the Tigers open the count with the first pair of picks.
It would place the Kangaroos in a position to acquire both Trainor and Armstrong, or at least one of the two and another top line teenager in the top 10.
Richmond also possesses the prized position of opening the second round of the AFL Draft, which will start night two of this year's proceedings.
Rival clubs are likely to offer premium deals for the selection as they look to move to the front of the queue and attain the best teenager left over from the first round of picks.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-draft-why-north-melbourne-could-trade-pick-2-and-the-rival-teams-best-placed-for-a-deal-154732/
Yes there's probably some merit in trading up and condensing our picks into the top 5/10/first round as much as possible and trade into next year as well...,maybe hanging on to one or two late picks in case of any sliders....probably going to be doing some live trading over the two nights you'd imagine... :shhYes
From all reports the Camporeale twins are sliding outside the top 30-40
Didn't have him on my list but people saying Sid Draper's a flight risk because he's from SA.....reckon everyone's paranoid because of JHF...but how often do SA players wanna go home....in the old pre-draft VFL days they used to come over here of their own accord...different times of course but it's not as if Adelaide's that far away like Perth or Brisbane...besides JHF was playing for Norf at Marvel & Bellerive in front of no-one.... :shh
Cal Twomey suggesting that Harry Armstrong might be surging to top 5 contention... yet another reason why it might not be worthwhile to try and move up from 6 (assuming Rioli deal gets done). A gun is going to be there at 6.
https://x.com/TigerWooda/status/1833673247059276044
I have some mail that we are very keen on Harry Armstrong. Don’t be surprised if we take him with a top 10 pick, depending on what we end up with.
I have some mail that we are very keen on Harry Armstrong. Don’t be surprised if we take him with a top 10 pick, depending on what we end up with.
Armstrong will go in the top 6. Can't see him getting past Melbourne.
Some people are seduced by Jagga's stats and they seem impressive but there is very little hurt factor with the disposals.
How soon have we forgotten Dusty who with 20 disposals could single handedly turn games with his hurt factor.
Scully was producing similar numbers to Jagga but he went on to become a decent midfielder but I believe we can do better than Jagga with our 1st pick.
Some people are seduced by Jagga's stats and they seem impressive but there is very little hurt factor with the disposals.
How soon have we forgotten Dusty who with 20 disposals could single handedly turn games with his hurt factor.
Scully was producing similar numbers to Jagga but he went on to become a decent midfielder but I believe we can do better than Jagga with our 1st pick.
What were Dustys numbers at TAC level though?
Understand what you’re saying, and it defs has merit at AFL level, but I would be concerned in taking a mid who can’t seem to find it regularly at junior level.
Maybe dusty was the same, I’d have no idea, but even so we’re talking about one of the greatest to ever do it, so it’s a very unfair comparison.
Wasn’t the typical clean cut private school kid.
While we wait for the vids to drop for the weekend's games, let's go back a week to the quarter final where Jonty Faull played Robin to Hannaford's Batman as they booted 10 goals between them, Faull bagging 4. He was a little more fumbly than he typically is, and most of his goals came from a touch fortune or being in the right place at the right time, but he was busy all game and presented as a critical target and outlet around the ground.
This was a definite step up for Finn compared to his disappointing outing last week, much more influential and involved with the play, but unfortunately his Chargers went down to the Rebels, ending his season. The Chargers only have themselves to blame for this loss, squandering countless opportunities, both from relatively easy goal scoring opportunities and some awful final balls into F50 with Finn himself responsible for a couple. With the game on the line he took a brilliant mark deep in the forward pocket, but hit the wrong side of the footy on his attempted banana which proved to be the Chargers final chance to retake the lead.
The emergence of Jack Ough from a solid winger into one of the Talent League's most influential midfielders over the second half of the season has been impressive to say the least. In any other draft he would be pushing his case to be a first round pick, but his size, footy IQ, clean hands at ground level, slick and quick handball in tight and a deft touch on his kicks make him a potential target anywhere outside of the first round.
In this game Bo Allan was given a chance to play as one of Peel's primary onballers on the big stage of a prelim final. It wasn't a prolific game for Bo, but he acquitted himself well and put together a few exiting passages of play to tease watchers with his immense potential. The defensive side of the game is where Allan is most accomplished and impactful at this stage, and where he's likely to immediately contribute most strongly at AFL level. His athleticism and physicality allow him to close space rapidly and lay powerful tackles, and he's diligent when playing the sweeping role on the defensive side of the contest. The moments when he tucks the ball under his arm and bursts free of congestion before roosting a deep and penetrating left foot ball into the forward 50 are what get's everyone excited for what he might be capable of in the future.
Word is FOS paired with Smith followed by Lalor & one of Arrmstrong & Faull is our goal...we're trying trying to get pick 3 and from there it all depends on who Norf take or who we think they'll take...or if thy decide to split pick 2...and we could be getting involved in that as well...pending trade week outcomes of course... :shh
Word is FOS paired with Smith followed by Lalor & one of Arrmstrong & Faull is our goal...we're trying trying to get pick 3 and from there it all depends on who Norf take or who we think they'll take...or if thy decide to split pick 2...and we could be getting involved in that as well...pending trade week outcomes of course... :shh
Remind me Dio - Armstrong and Faull are the KPFs yeah?
Keen
We talk a lot about the ability of players here as that’s all we can see
However I wonder how much clubs take into account about the right fit or character for their footy club
So you think we are targeting 3 mids and 1 kpf with our first 4 picks? Any chance we go for 2 mids and 2 key position players?
saw some footage of lalor for the first time. Gee he looks good pre injury
what pick does he go?
pies supporter but he seems to love dusty :shh
Slowford at 2 lmao... :facepalm
Slowford at 2 lmao... :facepalm
Not sure we're your getting slow from this kid is super talented.
Slowford at 2 lmao... :facepalm
Not sure we're your getting slow from this kid is super talented.
I'm getting it from watching him & seeing that he is slow... :shh
saw some footage of lalor for the first time. Gee he looks good pre injury
what pick does he go?
pies supporter but he seems to love dusty :shh
saw some footage of lalor for the first time. Gee he looks good pre injury
what pick does he go?
pies supporter but he seems to love dusty :shh
He does, but a bit Ben Hobbs like instead of a Dusty which everyone is saying.
Murphy Reid has just gone off injured (knee?) in the U18s GF. Don't know how bad.
Too late to redraft Liam McBean after kicking 7 in the SANFL GF?
Too late to redraft Liam McBean after kicking 7 in the SANFL GF?
SANFL, WAFL or VFL is his level
AFL is not.
Too late to redraft Liam McBean after kicking 7 in the SANFL GF?
SANFL, WAFL or VFL is his level
AFL is not.
Too late to redraft Liam McBean after kicking 7 in the SANFL GF?
SANFL, WAFL or VFL is his level
AFL is not.
What level was Naismith then? I don't recall a whole heap pushing back on that stupid selection.
Given what Jack said about the appalling way he was treated by some at the club -especially during the "leading teams" debacle - then it's no surprise we didn't get the best out of him.... :shh
I like Draper. Has been off the board since everyone thought he wanted the crows
I like Draper. Has been off the board since everyone thought he wanted the crows
Yep hes firming as my #1.
Wins a lot of his own ball wins clearances is a burst player or quick of the mark but can maintain that pace over the ground.
A very good inside out player.
I reckon he and Lalor stand out when it comes to that burst thru or away from a stoppage.
Would be great if we can get our hands on both.
A few people have compared FOS to Heeney.....if that's case then pass....prefer blokes who don't shyte themselves in grannies... :shh
Doggies and Port fans haven’t got much to be excited aboutHouston and Sniff will get them back in the first round
Richmond will ask for pick 13, but then will also ask on the conditions of acquiring Pick 3 from the Eagles.
Richmond want to pair Oakleigh teammates Finn O’Sullivan and Jagga Smith together.
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1840574989378187310
Fearless draft predictions:
- We'll take at least two players that no-one was expecting us to. :shh
- There will be some almighty melts across all Richmond boards regardless of who we take (yes I include myself as a potential melter) :shh :shh
- Another club will pick Davidson if he goes in the main draft(see previous prediction but not including me) but he'll be our first pick should he last until the rookie draft. :shh :shh :shh
Fearless draft predictions:
- We'll take at least two players that no-one was expecting us to. :shh
- There will be some almighty melts across all Richmond boards regardless of who we take (yes I include myself as a potential melter) :shh :shh
- Another club will pick Davidson if he goes in the main draft(see previous prediction but not including me) but he'll be our first pick should he last until the rookie draft. :shh :shh :shh
Can always take him with one of our several 3rd rounders tbh if we rate him that much
Fearless draft predictions:
- We'll take at least two players that no-one was expecting us to. :shh
- There will be some almighty melts across all Richmond boards regardless of who we take (yes I include myself as a potential melter) :shh :shh
- Another club will pick Davidson if he goes in the main draft(see previous prediction but not including me) but he'll be our first pick should he last until the rookie draft. :shh :shh :shh
Can always take him with one of our several 3rd rounders tbh if we rate him that much
Why? He's not that good. :shh
"No club will shape the Draft quite like Richmond but we are now in October not knowing who will be pick one." @RileyBevIn other words, you have no idea.
"If I was going to narrow it, Lalor and also O'Sullivan are probably edging ahead in terms of contention there." @CalTwomey
https://x.com/traderadio/status/1842029053521625109
Former West Coast forward reportedly on the radar of AFL clubs
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
October 1, 2024 - 6:21pm
AFL clubs are said to have some attention placed toward former West Coast forward Isiah Winder this off-season, with the ex-Eagle earning a late invite to next week's state combine.
Winder spent three years on West Coast's list after being drafted out of Peel Thunder in 2020, with the small forward featuring in seven AFL games and 27 WAFL games for the Eagles during his time at Lathlain Park.
The 22-year-old was delisted at the cessation of his second season with the Eagles before being re-listed via the Rookie Draft that same off-season. He was delisted at the end of last year after a year spent mostly on the sidelines.
Winder was required to "regain the trust and confidence of players and staff" after being charged with assault for an incident in late 2022, with the young Eagle avoiding a criminal conviction after appearing in the Geelong Magistrates Court.
Following his West Coast departure, Winder ventured back to the WAFL with South Fremantle and played 18 games for the Bulldogs in 2024, averaging 25.4 disposals, 4.0 tackles and 4.8 marks per game while tallying 16 goals for the season.
Winder nominated for this year's AFL Mid-Season Draft in May but was not selected, despite interest from Richmond.
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https://www.zerohanger.com/former-west-coast-forward-reportedly-on-the-radar-of-afl-clubs-155647/
I really like Lalor, I'm worried about the next Dusty comparisons and being drafted to us, the amount of pressure of expectation this kid will be under.
Slowford at 2 lmao... :facepalm
Not sure we're your getting slow from this kid is super talented.
I'm getting it from watching him & seeing that he is slow... :shh
You will be surprised at the combine testing soon.
Slowford at 2 lmao... :facepalm
Not sure we're your getting slow from this kid is super talented.
I'm getting it from watching him & seeing that he is slow... :shh
You will be surprised at the combine testing soon.
Bottom 5 in the 20m sprint (3.240)...surprise, surprise.........:shh
TALLS IMPRESS IN COMBINE TESTING
NORTHERN Knights tall forward Gabriel Stumpf caught the eye of scouts on Sunday at the Telstra AFL Draft Combine, recording the equal fifth quickest 20-metre sprint in testing history.
The 196cm prospect proved his athleticism by winning the event with a 2.81 second run. He also won the vertical jumps test with a leap of 76cm and was fifth in the running jump (left hand) test.
Gold Coast Academy product Leo Lombard once again showed his powerful attributes by finishing second in the sprint (2.85 seconds) as well as blitzing the agility test, completing it in 7.812 seconds. That placed the ready-to-go prospect in the sixth best agility time in Combine history.
Rhys Unwin (2.91 seconds), Jasper Alger (2.93) and Malakai Champion (2.94) were also among the quickest in the sprint, while likely top-five pick, midfielder Finn O'Sullivan, won the running jump (left hand) test with a leap of 93cm and was second in the right hand jump at 92cm.
O'Sullivan was also eighth in the agility test (8.14 seconds).
He was beaten in the running jump (right hand) test by Gippsland Power's Alix Tauru, who jumped at 94cm. It marked the end of an impressive Combine for Tauru, who has pushed right into the mix as a top-10 pick with his second half of the season.
Tauru, nicknamed the 'Flying Viking' for his Swedish heritage, was also in the top 10 for the running jump (left hand) and completed the 20-metre sprint in 3.00 seconds. – Callum Twomey
Joel Cochran (Swans Academy) ran a 6:05 to take out the draft combine 2km, just ahead of Tobie Travaglia and Hamish Davis in the quickest group.2 km pfft I am more interested in 10, 20 and 30m sprints
Langford, Smith & O’Sullivan all finished around the 6:25 mark.
Warm and windy afternoon #AFLDraft
https://x.com/Jasperc53/status/1842096795440025739
Joel Cochran (Swans Academy) ran a 6:05 to take out the draft combine 2km, just ahead of Tobie Travaglia and Hamish Davis in the quickest group.2 km pfft I am more interested in 10, 20 and 30m sprints
Langford, Smith & O’Sullivan all finished around the 6:25 mark.
Warm and windy afternoon #AFLDraft
https://x.com/Jasperc53/status/1842096795440025739
Mates with Reid huh?Andyy all due respect but all that for one player. ? I would be very uncomfortable with that.
That's it. Draft him.
Throw sink at Reid. We have nobody to pay anyway.
Bolton + Baker + P1 for Reid.
Can still trade Rioli and hit the draft with 6 and a few in the 20's haha
Mates with Reid huh?Andyy all due respect but all that for one player. ? I would be very uncomfortable with that.
That's it. Draft him.
Throw sink at Reid. We have nobody to pay anyway.
Bolton + Baker + P1 for Reid.
Can still trade Rioli and hit the draft with 6 and a few in the 20's haha
TBH I would consider keeping Bolton, play him solely in the middle next year, pick 1 and 2 upgraded picks for Rioli plus Gibcus LeFau and Lynch back in then we will have something to work with IMO
Mates with Reid huh?Andyy all due respect but all that for one player. ? I would be very uncomfortable with that.
That's it. Draft him.
Throw sink at Reid. We have nobody to pay anyway.
Bolton + Baker + P1 for Reid.
Can still trade Rioli and hit the draft with 6 and a few in the 20's haha
TBH I would consider keeping Bolton, play him solely in the middle next year, pick 1 and 2 upgraded picks for Rioli plus Gibcus LeFau and Lynch back in then we will have something to work with IMO
Was being a bit facetious.
👌Mates with Reid huh?Andyy all due respect but all that for one player. ? I would be very uncomfortable with that.
That's it. Draft him.
Throw sink at Reid. We have nobody to pay anyway.
Bolton + Baker + P1 for Reid.
Can still trade Rioli and hit the draft with 6 and a few in the 20's haha
TBH I would consider keeping Bolton, play him solely in the middle next year, pick 1 and 2 upgraded picks for Rioli plus Gibcus LeFau and Lynch back in then we will have something to work with IMO
Was being a bit facetious.
Mates with Reid huh?Andyy all due respect but all that for one player. ? I would be very uncomfortable with that.
That's it. Draft him.
Throw sink at Reid. We have nobody to pay anyway.
Bolton + Baker + P1 for Reid.
Can still trade Rioli and hit the draft with 6 and a few in the 20's haha
TBH I would consider keeping Bolton, play him solely in the middle next year, pick 1 and 2 upgraded picks for Rioli plus Gibcus LeFau and Lynch back in then we will have something to work with IMO
Was being a bit facetious.
One would hope so as we'd need that pick one to draft the mate that would entice him over...... :shh
Jagga Smith no where to be seen. FOS looks the goods
Jagga Smith no where to be seen. FOS looks the goods
...and is also Reid's best mate ..... :shh
Jagga Smith no where to be seen. FOS looks the goods
...and is also Reid's best mate ..... :shh
Also if true that JAS is a comparison to Sam Walsh then pass for me.
im also sick of hearing the line we have a guaranteed 200 gamer here. There has been some really average players play 200.
I know little to nothing about the draftees, but to me at pick 1, you’re looking for a sure thing. A player that might not have the ceiling that others potentially have but no doubt have a higher floor, so the risk of a bust is much much lower.
Jagga Smith no where to be seen. FOS looks the goods
...and is also Reid's best mate ..... :shh
Also if true that JAS is a comparison to Sam Walsh then pass for me.
im also sick of hearing the line we have a guaranteed 200 gamer here. There has been some really average players play 200.
Guarantee you Smith will win the rising star next year if we overlook him - because the media flogs who vote for it will make a point of it. :shh
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Umm... you got that very wrong ;D
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Umm... you got that very wrong ;D
Won’t be the first time this week :lol :lol :lol
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Umm... you got that very wrong ;D
Won’t be the first time this week :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Umm... you got that very wrong ;D
Won’t be the first time this week :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol
The club was told band 3… I only share what I was told
Pick 25 compo for JG 😉😎 :shh
Umm... you got that very wrong ;D
Won’t be the first time this week :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol
The club was told band 3… I only share what I was told
Lmao - sure you do......just admit you've been caught out and exposed for the fraud you are...... :shh
Wait and see what ,we can see pick 25 is not going to Richmond
Still a sad case hanging around Punt Road everyday like a bad smell are you Jackstar? :shh :shh
Still a sad case hanging around Punt Road everyday like a bad smell are you Jackstar? :shh :shh
Oh Stuff no, serious?
Sorry are you saying Balta has signed a 7 year extension?
I mean it was posted on the RFC website before here so if that’s his idea of a inside scoop I don’t know what to say lol
Poor kids being compared to superstars like Dusty and Bont.
Agree Claw, I am worried about Jagga Smith, obviously a rare talent but he is too small for my liking and looking at 22 games a year getting pummelled week in week out….Poor kids being compared to superstars like Dusty and Bont.
He is compared to them because he has some of their traits well Dusty ones anyway.
Have liked this kid from a long way out. Still a bit torn between him and Sid Draper and the other one who may have the biggest upside of all three is Smillie.
I do like the bigger bodied mids for the modern game. Lalor has it all he is explosive powerful and strong with genuine pace.
If we got two of the three id be real happy.
We do need that pace and explosiveness in our midfield. Lalor and Draper really do address that.
Agree Claw, I am worried about Jagga Smith, obviously a rare talent but he is too small for my liking and looking at 22 games a year getting pummelled week in week out….Poor kids being compared to superstars like Dusty and Bont.
He is compared to them because he has some of their traits well Dusty ones anyway.
Have liked this kid from a long way out. Still a bit torn between him and Sid Draper and the other one who may have the biggest upside of all three is Smillie.
I do like the bigger bodied mids for the modern game. Lalor has it all he is explosive powerful and strong with genuine pace.
If we got two of the three id be real happy.
We do need that pace and explosiveness in our midfield. Lalor and Draper really do address that.
I like the bigger bodied players as well.
We have given up a bit for pick 20
Paperwork approved.
Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
Leave us with Pick 51 and 63 to offer to GC to get Pick 6 and 23 over the line.
Bolton for 10 and 11 or he stays.
Barrass pick gone to the blues. FMD what are we getting for Baker now.pick 26 knowing us and the fire sale of picks we just had its on the cards. Its all they left apart from pick 3.
Pick 3. Lol
Worth remembering too Pick 51 could turn into Pick 40 with so many picks in the 40s will be washed away for points.
People forgetting clubs will come to us for that pick 20 and offer us gold on draft night I think that's in their mind
People forgetting clubs will come to us for that pick 20 and offer us gold on draft night I think that's in their mind
There will always be pick swapping on the night. Be interesting how many come to us, why would Pick 20 be highlighted?
We have given up a bit for pick 20
Paperwork approved.
Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
They weren't go to trade that pick to anyone unless they got a points surplus - that was the whole idea..... :shh
They weren't go to trade that pick to anyone unless they got a points surplus - that was the whole idea..... :shh
Yeah I get it, but don’t you think we’ve gone overboard? We didn’t just give them a surplus we gave them double lol. If we kept any 1 of those picks in the 40s, they’re still getting 400+ points in excess.
honestly eagles would be stupid giving up pick 3 for 2 mid teen picks.
Blues want FOS, or its a smokesrceen for Lalor.
Don't forget those picks we traded out will probably all blow out by 5- 10 places.... :shh
Probably only interested in the top 25 of the draft so pick 32+ of no interest
They weren't go to trade that pick to anyone unless they got a points surplus - that was the whole idea..... :shh
Yeah I get it, but don’t you think we’ve gone overboard? We didn’t just give them a surplus we gave them double lol. If we kept any 1 of those picks in the 40s, they’re still getting 400+ points in excess.
I didn't say it was a great trade but we probably had to outdo offers from other clubs....personally think we should've just bid on Ashcroft with our first pick on the night....whoever we pick would probably take not having the added burden of being pick one over the 20k bonus.... :shh
If we draft Lalor after a 12wk hammy we may as may close the doors to Punt Rd and throw away the key. Would be stuffen stupidity
---If we draft Lalor after a 12wk hammy we may as may close the doors to Punt Rd and throw away the key. Would be stuffen stupidity
We never learn, I mean we drafted Dylan Grimes…..oh wait.
Hamstrings can are fixed by kids being in an elite strength and conditioning program. Understand ours currently has a asterisk but we made an early statement flicking flukey lukey and so we should back ourselves and our program to get kids bodies fixed. Junior programs are just that. Bodies - young and growing can get exposed in those systems but that shouldn’t ever influence our decision to draft.
No sh.... Shifter.
You just know that we will take a player or 2 that no one thinks we will. Happens every year.
No sh.... Shifter.
You just know that we will take a player or 2 that no one thinks we will. Happens every year.
I desperately hope we take Armstrong and Shanahan or whatever their names are.
Need KPF prospects badly.
I desperately hope we take Armstrong and Shanahan or whatever their names are.
Need KPF prospects badly.
I desperately hope we take Armstrong and Shanahan or whatever their names are.
Need KPF prospects badly.
What’s that other key forward that’s project first round. Last name starts with a T.
Jack and Matt Whitlock people's views on them ?.
BS, it's nowhere near expansion levels.
Do the math on the points.
I think we will go for pick 2. Give up maybe 6 and 23, effectively Rioli for pick 2 which is a win for us.
Gets us the 2 players we want the most whilst still holding 10,12,18 and other picks in the 20’s
1,2,10,12,18 is a great start to this rebuild. I’d be nervous if I was Dow,Sonsie etc
We'll be trading 6 & 11 to Norf for pick 2 on the night..... :shh
Blair Hartley spoke very well tonight regarding our draft haul. Sounds like we have some more deals to do
He was also emotonal at the end of Chris passing.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1678873/weve-been-able-to-get-our-deals-done-hartley?videoId=1678873&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1729062696001
We'll be trading 6 & 11 to Norf for pick 2 on the night..... :shh
We'll be trading 6 & 11 to Norf for pick 2 on the night..... :shh
We won’t be trading #6 😉 :shh
We'll be trading 6 & 11 to Norf for pick 2 on the night..... :shh
We'll be trading 6 & 11 to Norf for pick 2 on the night..... :shh
Blues set the standard for pick 3 ,12 and 14 why would we do 6 and 11 way overs in a even draft
Easy for me
1 Lalor/FOS
6 Smillie
10 Armstrong/Shanahan
11 Best mid available
18 Shanahan/Faull
The other 3 just take best available and make sure we get a tall/ruck too.
Anyone we can trade next year for decent picks? Surely some sucker club will pay overs for Shortsteps... :shh
Granger-Barass just got delisted by the hawks. Was pick 6 in the draft only 4 years ago.
Anyone ever see him play?
Might be worth a punt considering our key forward stocks, although there must be a pretty significant reason for the hawks to be cutting him given they don’t really have a kpf themselves other than Mitchell Lewis who has an injury record to match Lynchys.
Granger-Barass just got delisted by the hawks. Was pick 6 in the draft only 4 years ago.
Anyone ever see him play?
Might be worth a punt considering our key forward stocks, although there must be a pretty significant reason for the hawks to be cutting him given they don’t really have a kpf themselves other than Mitchell Lewis who has an injury record to match Lynchys.
Scumbaggers just picked him up..... :shh
Granger-Barass just got delisted by the hawks. Was pick 6 in the draft only 4 years ago.
Anyone ever see him play?
Might be worth a punt considering our key forward stocks, although there must be a pretty significant reason for the hawks to be cutting him given they don’t really have a kpf themselves other than Mitchell Lewis who has an injury record to match Lynchys.
Scumbaggers just picked him up..... :shh
He's crap IMO
If I can't spit out his name then its a no from me. Imagine screaming out "Granger-Barass, Granger-Barass goes bang!" ... nah ... :P
Ohhh Carlton got him? Well, they love a surname with lots of corners down there ... Koutafides? Korkemelus? Bosustow? Whatever ... :P
If I can't spit out his name then its a no from me. Imagine screaming out "Granger-Barass, Granger-Barass goes bang!" ... nah ... :P
Ohhh Carlton got him? Well, they love a surname with lots of corners down there ... Koutafides? Korkemelus? Bosustow? Whatever ... :P
Camporeale
Jesaulenko
Depending on who’s available at #6… should we be looking at GWS’ picks at 15,16,21 or others in this generational draft?
:shh ;)
Not sure key forwards are going to be high on our agenda.
Cmon people we have an abundance of tall forwards. The question is about quality. We dont know what we have with a couple of them.
The thing is we do not need to take a tall at say 10 if there are higher rated mids there.
The most glaring single list deficiency by some margin is mids with pace and power. The next deficiency is running players with pace good decion making and good ball use.
If we look at quality alone and each position then we need players for all positions. But mids is it.
Key Forwards on our list this has been done numerous times.
Lynch - we are lucky to have him. Just a quality player and will be a great mentor for our tall forwards.
Kossie - well not so good but he fills a role atm. He is the fodder while we develop some juniors. On Juniors then we are talking
Fawcett. - Have had a few looks at this kid thru what i can get he has some damn good traits i would not be surprised if he does not get some games next year. He may surprise a few.
Lefau - won't see him to mid year probably. He is a lovely size and he sure goes at it.
Gray - Another who looks promising and may develop into a player. Plenty to work with.
Okay the problem is the quality part so imo we need this year just the one good pick on a key forward. The following year we can do what is needed after seeing what we have. This scenario means the numbers are great but a question over the quality.
Tall defenders well we have two very good ones in Gibcus and Balta. The defensive cornerstones are in place imo. And atm there is plenty of back up. Blight, Miller Young. we could do with another quality kid to develop but it is an area that can wait for a season or two. If we cop an injury to Balta/Gibcus we have big mature bodies we can throw in for now.
This coming draft is deep and it is full of quality mainly mids. If our draft picks stay the same then 1, 6, and 10 has to be a complete mid rebuild the talls available here apart from one maybe two are not worth taking here.
At 1 im going with Lalor. 6 the best mid left it may be Jagga or Draper who knows. At 10 this guy i have grown to like more and more, i reckon Allen here and at 11 Maybe a tall if still there. there is only two talls id take here. Failing that im seriously thinking one of Hotten, Lindsay and Travaglia if there.
18 Take the best available tall. 20 back to mids just load up with them. 23 another mid or need and last pick 24 take another tall if warranted.
we have picks 18 and 20 this is where id be looking for a tall or maybe two. Like the mids the group of talls is very even across the board going by all reports.
Brown could be the KMac wing replacement
Nope this is exactly what ive been saying for ages. I don't think i have bageed any of them except kossie. As i said its been done a few times by me.Not sure key forwards are going to be high on our agenda.
Cmon people we have an abundance of tall forwards. The question is about quality. We dont know what we have with a couple of them.
The thing is we do not need to take a tall at say 10 if there are higher rated mids there.
The most glaring single list deficiency by some margin is mids with pace and power. The next deficiency is running players with pace good decion making and good ball use.
If we look at quality alone and each position then we need players for all positions. But mids is it.
Key Forwards on our list this has been done numerous times.
Lynch - we are lucky to have him. Just a quality player and will be a great mentor for our tall forwards.
Kossie - well not so good but he fills a role atm. He is the fodder while we develop some juniors. On Juniors then we are talking
Fawcett. - Have had a few looks at this kid thru what i can get he has some damn good traits i would not be surprised if he does not get some games next year. He may surprise a few.
Lefau - won't see him to mid year probably. He is a lovely size and he sure goes at it.
Gray - Another who looks promising and may develop into a player. Plenty to work with.
Okay the problem is the quality part so imo we need this year just the one good pick on a key forward. The following year we can do what is needed after seeing what we have. This scenario means the numbers are great but a question over the quality.
Tall defenders well we have two very good ones in Gibcus and Balta. The defensive cornerstones are in place imo. And atm there is plenty of back up. Blight, Miller Young. we could do with another quality kid to develop but it is an area that can wait for a season or two. If we cop an injury to Balta/Gibcus we have big mature bodies we can throw in for now.
This coming draft is deep and it is full of quality mainly mids. If our draft picks stay the same then 1, 6, and 10 has to be a complete mid rebuild the talls available here apart from one maybe two are not worth taking here.
At 1 im going with Lalor. 6 the best mid left it may be Jagga or Draper who knows. At 10 this guy i have grown to like more and more, i reckon Allen here and at 11 Maybe a tall if still there. there is only two talls id take here. Failing that im seriously thinking one of Hotten, Lindsay and Travaglia if there.
18 Take the best available tall. 20 back to mids just load up with them. 23 another mid or need and last pick 24 take another tall if warranted.
we have picks 18 and 20 this is where id be looking for a tall or maybe two. Like the mids the group of talls is very even across the board going by all reports.
Where did all this positivity come from about our KPFs?
Normally I'd think you'd be bagging the crap out of them, no offense intended.
Lynch - injury prone and close to if not already cooked.
Kosi - battler, you summed it up, mind you I think he's not bad in the ruck and a potential 3rd tall/ruck relief.
Fawcett - time will tell, accomplished nothing so far.
Lefau - agree with your assessment.
Gray - see Fawcett
Bauer - yeah I think it's that med-tall like JR but from the op shop.
Brown - reckon at 193cm and with his kicking he should be kept forward for a go.
Ultimately it's very likely that Lynch will be injured, Kosi will struggle as our primary option, Fawcett won't break into the team, Lefau will miss half a season then battle honorably, Gray will get a debut and maybe kick a few before being dropped again
I thought Taranto was quick. Isn’t he clear number 1 in our 2km time trial?
Brown could be the KMac wing replacement
Well he can kick & mark but not sure he can run all day - Kmac of course is the opposite....for different reasons neither are great defensively or in the contest.... :shh
Let's just hope the club isn't dumb enough to draft any more 180cm HBF's.You would like Harrison Oliver a 180cm hb. with great footskills. I would draft him and cut Short salary and all in heartbeat.
There are gun mids, big mids and some KPP's available so fingers crossed they get their act together and draft the positions we need.
Let's just hope the club isn't dumb enough to draft any more 180cm HBF's.You would like Harrison Oliver a 180cm hb. with great footskills. I would draft him and cut Short salary and all in heartbeat.
There are gun mids, big mids and some KPP's available so fingers crossed they get their act together and draft the positions we need.
If we don't get Travaglia id certainly be looking at this kid across h/b with our 20,23 24 picks..
What about Berry we actually are bereft so far of quality goal kicking small fwds.
We could draft Allen to play hb he is a beast of a player and he is quick he obviously can play mid as well.
We should be targeting one tall fwd of quality and only take more if they rate higher than the mids and running players that will be available at each pick which imo will be unlikely.
Brown could be the KMac wing replacement
Well he can kick & mark but not sure he can run all day - Kmac of course is the opposite....for different reasons neither are great defensively or in the contest.... :shh
We need to change our philosophy of wingers who run up and down the tram tracks all day to protect space to offensive weapons which is what Collingwood and even the Lions are doing.
Brown’s leg is already elite and would be valuable as an option of playing wing.
HRS, Pickett, Kmac are no longer options for me as their disposal simply isn’t damaging enough
Wow that goes pear shaped after the Lalor pick.... :help
...also highly doubt we'll bid on Ashcroft after trading picks to the Bears so they could cover said bid... :shh
No one except our recruitment team knows who were picking which I love.
Don't be surprised if we go a little left field.
7 out of 19 isn’t a majority
Let alone that being vast
Meh.... bunch of dumb kids....wtf would they know.. :shhThe leader of the pack, they trust and admire Jagga :shh
I stand by wanting any 3 of Fos, Lalor, Jagger and Smillie. Feels like we need to find a way to land pick 2 off Norf without sacrificing pick 6.Agree or at worst do 6 and a pick in 20s
I stand by wanting any 3 of Fos, Lalor, Jagger and Smillie. Feels like we need to find a way to land pick 2 off Norf without sacrificing pick 6.
Views on this kid for the draft experts
Thomas Sims
Tall forward
Northern Knights/Vic Metro
199c
Views on this kid for the draft experts
Thomas Sims
Tall forward
Northern Knights/Vic Metro
199c
Should be still available in the late 20's which would be a bargain....at least on par with a few other more hyped KPF's....needs to be pointed out though that none of the KPFs in this draft look like top echelon potential superstars bar perhaps Tauru - who plays both ends but mainly back & Gerryn who is relatively raw and a ruck/forward......they're in next year's crop...why I laugh at people saying we need to grab as many as 3 this year....that would be peak stupidity and a total waste of our draft hand IMO.... :shh
I stand by wanting any 3 of Fos, Lalor, Jagger and Smillie. Feels like we need to find a way to land pick 2 off Norf without sacrificing pick 6.
Think we're a very good chance to get 2, as I'm hoping Smillie slides to 6.
I'm wondering how we acquire Armstrong though. Hope Dees don't take him at 5. Wondering if we need to take him at 6 and I don't think he'd slide to 10.
Would love the combo of Lalor, Smith and Armstrong.
Views on this kid for the draft experts
Thomas Sims
Tall forward
Northern Knights/Vic Metro
199c
Should be still available in the late 20's which would be a bargain....at least on par with a few other more hyped KPF's....needs to be pointed out though that none of the KPFs in this draft look like top echelon potential superstars bar perhaps Tauru - who plays both ends but mainly back & Gerryn who is relatively raw and a ruck/forward......they're in next year's crop...why I laugh at people saying we need to grab as many as 3 this year....that would be peak stupidity and a total waste of our draft hand IMO.... :shh
I do think minimum of 2. In that bracket there's Shanahan like a Riewoldt type good footy smarts, Faull who has big upside and Sim
I stand by wanting any 3 of Fos, Lalor, Jagger and Smillie. Feels like we need to find a way to land pick 2 off Norf without sacrificing pick 6.
Think we're a very good chance to get 2, as I'm hoping Smillie slides to 6.
I'm wondering how we acquire Armstrong though. Hope Dees don't take him at 5. Wondering if we need to take him at 6 and I don't think he'd slide to 10.
What clubs have always said is that they don’t burn first round picks drafting for list needs. They take the best available talent at that pick and figure out how to get them into the team later. Just based on all the commentary and mock drafts that show that this one is midfield heavy, I’d wager there’s more chance of Armstrong going closer to pick 18 then pick 6.
I stand by wanting any 3 of Fos, Lalor, Jagger and Smillie. Feels like we need to find a way to land pick 2 off Norf without sacrificing pick 6.
Think we're a very good chance to get 2, as I'm hoping Smillie slides to 6.
I'm wondering how we acquire Armstrong though. Hope Dees don't take him at 5. Wondering if we need to take him at 6 and I don't think he'd slide to 10.
What clubs have always said is that they don’t burn first round picks drafting for list needs. They take the best available talent at that pick and figure out how to get them into the team later. Just based on all the commentary and mock drafts that show that this one is midfield heavy, I’d wager there’s more chance of Armstrong going closer to pick 18 then pick 6.
I hope you're right and we can get him around 10 or 18.
Agree with what you're saying, just don't agree that it's the best way forward for us now, elsewise well end up with 6+ mids and no developing forwards.
6 & 11 -> NorthNo from me
2 & future 1st -> Richmond
Has now got my interest :shh
6 & 11 -> North
2 & future 1st -> Richmond
Has now got my interest :shh
I think will target the talks after pick 10. Get the elite midfielders and a nice Rioli replacement and then target the talls. Plenty of value there, Shanahan, Faull, Sims ,Whitlock etc.
6 & 11 -> North
2 & future 1st -> Richmond
Has now got my interest :shh
6 & 11 -> North
2 & future 1st -> Richmond
Has now got my interest :shh
For sure
This is an instant yes
6 & 11 -> North
2 & future 1st -> Richmond
Has now got my interest :shh
For sure
This is an instant yes
I’m taking this too and pretty quickly at that.
Although I expect North to be better (surely they can’t be worse), I can’t see them being better than 5 other teams which means that at worst we’ll be getting 2 & 6 (2025 pick), for 6 and 11.
No brainer for me.
If that deal with the kangas is legit and I really haven’t seen it reported outside of that 1 article above so I’m very skeptical, we should be all over it.
Pick 1, 2, 10, 18, 20, 23 & 24 this year and then we’d likely have 2 top 5 picks next year with our pick and the kangas future 1st and all for pick 6 and 11 - where do we sign?
If that deal with the kangas is legit and I really haven’t seen it reported outside of that 1 article above so I’m very skeptical, we should be all over it.
Pick 1, 2, 10, 18, 20, 23 & 24 this year and then we’d likely have 2 top 5 picks next year with our pick and the kangas future 1st and all for pick 6 and 11 - where do we sign?
It’s a no brainer
Only way we get shafted is if kangas finish top 4
And I can’t see that
If that deal with the kangas is legit and I really haven’t seen it reported outside of that 1 article above so I’m very skeptical, we should be all over it.
Pick 1, 2, 10, 18, 20, 23 & 24 this year and then we’d likely have 2 top 5 picks next year with our pick and the kangas future 1st and all for pick 6 and 11 - where do we sign?
It’s a no brainer
Only way we get shafted is if kangas finish top 4
And I can’t see that
It’s so good of a deal that I find it hard to believe it’s real. Even if the kangas finish top4 it just makes it an even trade 2 & 15 for 6 & 11.
Either this is made up, it’s missing some details about us giving up more picks or we’ve hit the jackpot lol
If that deal with the kangas is legit and I really haven’t seen it reported outside of that 1 article above so I’m very skeptical, we should be all over it.
Pick 1, 2, 10, 18, 20, 23 & 24 this year and then we’d likely have 2 top 5 picks next year with our pick and the kangas future 1st and all for pick 6 and 11 - where do we sign?
It’s a no brainer
Only way we get shafted is if kangas finish top 4
And I can’t see that
It’s so good of a deal that I find it hard to believe it’s real. Even if the kangas finish top4 it just makes it an even trade 2 & 15 for 6 & 11.
Either this is made up, it’s missing some details about us giving up more picks or we’ve hit the jackpot lol
Might just mean that North rate this draft, think they want a bloke or two and are prepared to slide down because they have a lot of gun mids with LDU, Wardlaw, McKercher etc, and they probably think they're climbing the ladder into the middle 1/3 at least next year.
The ‘ruthless’ top-10 prospect with goalkicking great in his corner
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd says Harry Armstrong can do things most others wouldn't dream of
Full article: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1248642
The more I ponder this, the more id prefer if the club retains all picks and abandons pick 2.
Trade back into next year with 23/24 if happy with the previous picks.
Pick 6 still going to net a good player.
Pickers believes the Tigers should be bidding on Levi Ashcroft with pick one in this year's draft.
If you were Richmond, what would you do with pick one?
@OffTheBenchTeam
https://x.com/1116sen/status/1850439792418509116
Having read this morning how young Levi "wants" to be the number 1 draft pickWhat amazes me is that we have the number 1 pick but cannot pick the number 1 player.
I wouldn't bother bidding on him just for the fun of it ;D :snidegrin
I'd bid on him at number 2 ( and yes I think we will end up with pick 2)
Having read this morning how young Levi "wants" to be the number 1 draft pickWhat amazes me is that we have the number 1 pick but cannot pick the number 1 player.
I wouldn't bother bidding on him just for the fun of it ;D :snidegrin
I'd bid on him at number 2 ( and yes I think we will end up with pick 2)
What is wrong here ? am I missing something??
If Harley Reid had wanted to go to a particular club then WCE just doesn’t pick him??
It’s BS if you ask me
Having read this morning how young Levi "wants" to be the number 1 draft pick
I wouldn't bother bidding on him just for the fun of it ;D :snidegrin
I'd bid on him at number 2 ( and yes I think we will end up with pick 2)
What amazes me is that we have the number 1 pick but cannot pick the number 1 player.
What is wrong here ? am I missing something??
If Harley Reid had wanted to go to a particular club then WCE just doesn’t pick him??
It’s BS if you ask me
Stupid question but is there a deal we can do with lions thats gets us another pick, and in return we wont bid on him with the first 2 picks?
no idea how this all works.
Yep, would be gobsmacked if that wasn't the case.Stupid question but is there a deal we can do with lions thats gets us another pick, and in return we wont bid on him with the first 2 picks?
no idea how this all works.
Explicitly doing this draft tampering, but off the books, I believe we may have already done this when we swapped our later picks for pick 18.
Football club needs to nail it's draft picks - stunning insight. :clapping
I know in this day and age possessions and stats in general are becoming less and less meaningful, but for anyone that follows the draft closely, is there any concern with regards to FOS’s ball winning ability? Just looking at the stats at the above articles link and he is quite clearly the lowest possession winner out of at least the next 10 listed mids in their list (if not more - I stopped around pick 14 or so).
Hey If lists have a max of 44 then how did we end up with 46 players this year? Because we have cut 10 and can only take 8. What gives anyone?
That flog is full of it...Tiger version of Trade Whisperer...probably another Jackstar alt..... :shh
That flog is full of it...Tiger version of Trade Whisperer...probably another Jackstar alt..... :shh
He mentioned on Jun 27th Richmond ranked Lalor very highly on their board. This is months before anyone else. He clearly has some inside info. Suggest don’t poo on him. He should be encouraged
No one had Lalor at no.1 when he posted that tweet. Absolutely no one.
More of Sam Lalor (player in this draft most like Dusty according to some):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7e8ZdcG0KgQuoteAnd just like that we have a new pick 1 contender. Sam Lalor playing his first game back in the Talent League since returning from a long injury layoff to start the season demonstrates that every part of his game is in tip top condition as he turns in possibly the best performance of the season. Powerful, brutal, attacking and clean, he was strong overhead, hit up targets over all distances by foot and absorbed contact to release teammates with long creative handballs. The most impressive thing of all might have been his bruising tackles.
:shh
“I don’t agree that it is a super draft”: The key aspect of this year's National Draft that is being overlooked
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
30 Oct 2024
State Talent Manager of the West Australian Football Commission, Adam Jones, believes many are overlooking a key aspect of the draft pool – something that holds it back from truly being a super draft.
Jones believes that the Victorian crop of talent is outstanding, but the rest of the country will feature scarcely in the first round and even beyond.
Rookie Me’s top 30 draft rankings for September agrees with this notion, with Victorian draft prospects holding 24 of the top 30 spots – WA only having one in Bo Allan.
ESPN’s September rankings featured seven non-Victorian prospects, while AFL Media’s version has 25 of 30 Victorians.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/10/29/i-dont-agree-that-it-is-a-super-draft-the-key-aspect-of-this-years-national/
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WOY9YxHv5dc/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLCEXGz_ViMvE7jlJrRKVHgA-hUCwQ) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOY9YxHv5dc)Still think if Armstrong is gone before pick 10 then we will wait till our last 3 picks before targeting a KPF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOY9YxHv5dc
1. Rich - Sam Lalor/ Draper
2. Norf - Alix Tauru
3. Bris - Levi Ashcroft (bid)
4. Carl - Finn O'Sullivan
5. Adel - Sid Draper
6. GC - Leo Lombard (bid)
7. Melb - Josh Smillie
8. Rich - Jagga Smith
9. StK - Murphy Reid
10. St K - Harvey Langford
11. Melb - Jobe Shanahan
12. Rich - Bo Allan
13. Rich - Lindsay
14. Rich - Hotton Still peeed we dont have this pick.
18.Rich - Oliver
20. Rich - KPP
25. Rich - Kpp
26. Rich - Gross.Hannaford,Hynes, Davis.
Richmond to go for the best key forward first in the 2025 draft.
if we hold onto pick 6 and as expected FOS, Lalor & Smith are taken by then, who out of the next batch of mids (let’s assume their all still available somehow), would people on here be keen on between Draper, Langford, Smillie and Reid?
if we hold onto pick 6 and as expected FOS, Lalor & Smith are taken by then, who out of the next batch of mids (let’s assume their all still available somehow), would people on here be keen on between Draper, Langford, Smillie and Reid?The interesting way to choose is who will be targeted by which club.
Richmond's 2024 AFL Draft Targets Just Got Revealed!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I83LY_tjEcE/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLAGu4gqaQ_MZpkVwdF-hh51fJRy-w) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83LY_tjEcE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83LY_tjEcE
Sent this one before, but my friend worked at Emmanuel in Warrnambool. Said Finn O is the same build his oldest brother Jack was at 18. Jack, after he left school, has become a seriously big unit. Bodes well for FOS, he has the genetics for that sort of development
Also there was a rumour that Finn’s family were told Richmond were gonna trade for pick 2 and take him. That’s not true, nothing like that has come from Richmond. He reckons he’s a chance at number 1 still.
Got it from a good source we haven’t said anything about taking him at 2, nor given any indication of what we want to do. He’s getting told from other teams via his manager about what seems likely, but nothing from us. Absolutely nothing from us besides regular interest in the form of interviews and conversations at the combine, and ongoing dialogue through his manager/team (not sure of that dynamic).
But there is noise from other teams that we want to trade for 2 and take him, and he’s getting told that
Source: BF (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-draft-post-trade-period-edition.1388579/post-85996631)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ikaPvgGKBrc/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLDicJys3GaRZkhumlGzwybTv1YEbg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ikaPvgGKBrc/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLDicJys3GaRZkhumlGzwybTv1YEbg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc
Interesting, this guy has Smile sliding out to still be available at pick 13 (our original pick 10)
With Essendon making a play offering their two first round picks next year for pick 13.
He also has us doing the deal with north of pick 6 and 11 for pick 2 and their future first. This will leave us with 6 picks inside the top 25 this year and 4 first round picks next year.
If we already have Laylor and FOS under our belts I’d nearly take that and run!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ikaPvgGKBrc/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLDicJys3GaRZkhumlGzwybTv1YEbg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaPvgGKBrc
Interesting, this guy has Smile sliding out to still be available at pick 13 (our original pick 10)
With Essendon making a play offering their two first round picks next year for pick 13.
He also has us doing the deal with north of pick 6 and 11 for pick 2 and their future first. This will leave us with 6 picks inside the top 25 this year and 4 first round picks next year.
If we already have Laylor and FOS under our belts I’d nearly take that and run!
I'd love it if the draft went that way and we got most of those guys but I'd be surpised
I'd love it if the draft went that way and we got most of those guys but I'd be surpised
Then you'd surely be on your own.....worst midfield on the comp and we take 4 talls - including one who's already on track to be another Paddy McCartin at the end of the ground that's least urgent to fix and bar maybe Armstrong all over far better talls still on the board- in a draft rich with gun mids....absolutely laughable selections... :propeller
I'd love it if the draft went that way and we got most of those guys but I'd be surpised
Then you'd surely be on your own.....worst midfield on the comp and we take 4 talls - including one who's already on track to be another Paddy McCartin at the end of the ground that's least urgent to fix and bar maybe Armstrong all over far better talls still on the board- in a draft rich with gun mids....absolutely laughable selections... :propeller
There's 4 mids in that list.
We need talls too.
Langford for me at 6 class this kid.
I get RCD vibes from Josh Smillie poor overhead, average production for a midfielder but a good athlete, says he is a good bloke but I would have liked him to say that he is a good competitor and loves the contest.
Sort of looking forward to this just being over already, end the speculation.Ain’t that the truth
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
That's a fabrication. He was a decent junior that didn't come on whatsoever. Not a project at all
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
That's a fabrication. He was a decent junior that didn't come on whatsoever. Not a project at all
Agree AT, definitely not a project player
I would have liked to see RCD fpgiven a go with a new coach, think he may have thrived
Have spoke to Chutney many times about RCD and Chut has always said the same thing, kid never stood a chance with Dimma at he helm. Wasn't a Dimma fav
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
That's a fabrication. He was a decent junior that didn't come on whatsoever. Not a project at all
Agree AT, definitely not a project player
I would have liked to see RCD fpgiven a go with a new coach, think he may have thrived
Have spoke to Chutney many times about RCD and Chut has always said the same thing, kid never stood a chance with Dimma at he helm. Wasn't a Dimma fav
I don't get RCD vibes from Smillie.
Smillie has been talked about anywhere from P1-5 most of the year for good reason.
RCD was taken at P20 in a shallower draft.
Plus RCD was taken as more of a project, not ready made, always a risk, but one we could afford at the time, being in the premiership window.
If we took RCD at pick 20 as a project player that shows very poor judgement.
Project players should be much later in the draft not the first round.
20 top prospects have received invites to the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft 🤩
Levi Ashcroft
Finn O'Sullivan
Harvey Langford
Sam Lalor
Jagga Smith
Sid Draper
Josh Smillie
Murphy Reid
Alixzander Tauru
Harry Armstrong
Tobie Travaglia
Bo Allan
Leo Lombard
Isaac Kako
Xavier Lindsay
Joe Berry
Jack Whitlock
Matt Whitlock
Jobe Shanahan
Sam Marshall
https://x.com/AFL/status/1856583406790049928
Sharp-shooting and ‘big mark’ young guns dream of: Meet the AFL Draft’s prized forward pick - Jobe Shanahan
After bursting onto the VFL scene at barely 18 years of age, Jobe Shanahan is ready to “crack in early” with whichever AFL club is lucky enough to select him in this year’s draft.
Standing at 195cm with a contested mark most young key forwards dream of, the Moama product is shaping as one of, if not the first key forward, to be picked up next week.
Describing himself as a centre-half forward who “crashes packs, takes big marks (and is) a pretty good set shot” — it’s no surprise there is an air of confidence that comes with Shanahan’s presence.
Speaking with foxfooty.com.au’s Ben Waterworth in the lead up to the national draft, Shanahan believes his game has developed considerably throughout 2024 — which in the end allowed for senior opportunities alongside AFL stars.
Full article: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2024-jobe-shanahan-ready-for-life-as-an-afl-footballer-played-vfl-with-essendon-following-harley-reid-moama-key-forward-interview-latest-news/news-story/6b5e645b3fbef574b1b70d0f8bfd103c
Why the stuff would we trade pick 24 to a top club for a future first which essentially is the same pick in a standard draft. Give me a break.
Trade with north is what I'm hoping. Give them pick 11 or 18. For 2 and next yrs 1st.
What has happened to this deal as it appears it's gone cold according these so called experts
Why the stuff would we trade pick 24 to a top club for a future first which essentially is the same pick in a standard draft. Give me a break.
Trade with north is what I'm hoping. Give them pick 11 or 18. For 2 and next yrs 1st.
What has happened to this deal as it appears it's gone cold according these so called experts
I don’t know how much merit it had to begin with because it seemed too good to be true for us.
Regardless of whether it’s in the works or not, I don’t think clubs can officially trade picks until draft night now as the deadline passed 1-2 weeks ago. Another home run idea by AFL HQ to add to the excitement of draft night ::)
... I've heard Yze is very keen on Allan as a player who can go through the middle and help out defensively, it helps cover some of our mids defensive flaws.
... the club seem very set on Lalor and Smillie with the 2 picks, however, we'll likely take Langford or Tauru if Roos take FOS, Blues take Draper, Crows take Jagga and Dees take Smillie.
1. Lalor
7. Smillie
12. Armstrong
13. Allan
21. Dattoli
24. Faull
27. Dodson
https://x.com/Grockadoc/status/1858065250115018788
We shouldn’t be drafting to necessarily impact in year 1. Give Smillie 4 or 5 pre seasons, remember Cripps was also considered slow - particularly early on in his career
https://x.com/caltwomey/status/1858391012219252901?s=46&t=7da_RTBaGiPwKBo1aKmuVg
P1 -> Lalor
P7 -> Smillie
P12 -> Lindsay
P14 -> Shanahan
P21 -> Dattoli
P23 -> M.Whitlock
P27 -> Alger
P28 -> Trainor
Geelong have interest in our second round selection, with Geelong willing to part with a future first to acquire the selection
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1858714683198607375
Geelong have interest in our second round selection, with Geelong willing to part with a future first to acquire the selection
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1858714683198607375
ST Kilda and Richmond will engage in talks tomorrow about a potential trade up to Pick 8, Saint Kilda want 3 selections tomorrow night.
Richmond won’t pull the pin until around pick 6 or 7, if a player that they love drops.
Alix Tauru, FOS, Langford and Bo Allan are all players in mind
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1858714275994628421
While I don’t like it at all, I can understand why clubs don’t use pick 1 to bid on academy/father-son prospects and rather give their own player the ‘prestige’ of being that pick. But seriously, if clubs aren’t bidding on Ashcroft at pick 2 then they’ve got no1 but themselves to blame about all the issues about draft fairness.
While I don’t like it at all, I can understand why clubs don’t use pick 1 to bid on academy/father-son prospects and rather give their own player the ‘prestige’ of being that pick. But seriously, if clubs aren’t bidding on Ashcroft at pick 2 then they’ve got no1 but themselves to blame about all the issues about draft fairness.
If we get Lalor, Smillie and Armstrong I'll be thrilled.
What time dues it start? On fox?7pm.
What’s the word on Smillie, does he dig in and thrive in the tough stuff.? Is there speed or endurance? Does he have a leap and mark capacity?
What time dues it start? On fox?7pm.
Yep cub, it's on Fox/Kayo as well as the AFL website & Live App.
Is it just the top10 tonight on the entire first round?Entire first round tonight.
Is it just the top10 tonight on the entire first round?Entire first round tonight.
So, we'll have up to 7 picks tonight.
Our eighth pick will be the first one tomorrow night (if we don't trade it).
Agree. Once the other clubs know who is remaining after tonight then they come knocking with the best offers tomorrow.Is it just the top10 tonight on the entire first round?Entire first round tonight.
So, we'll have up to 7 picks tonight.
Our eighth pick will be the first one tomorrow night (if we don't trade it).
Sweet.
Can’t imagine we’d trade our last pick tonight. Leave clubs the night to outbid each other to get that pick if we’re keen to trade it and then sell to highest bidder.
what a joke the draft coverage is
fancy having to sit through nearly 5 minutes of nothing between bids
becomes a bigger joke after young Sam admitted he knew on Monday he was going to be pick 1 ::)
what a joke the draft coverage is
fancy having to sit through nearly 5 minutes of nothing between bids
becomes a bigger joke after young Sam admitted he knew on Monday he was going to be pick 1 ::)
FFS You est.ar to sound like Dio. Just enjoy the night. .
what a joke the draft coverage is
fancy having to sit through nearly 5 minutes of nothing between bids
becomes a bigger joke after young Sam admitted he knew on Monday he was going to be pick 1 ::)
what a joke the draft coverage is
fancy having to sit through nearly 5 minutes of nothing between bids
becomes a bigger joke after young Sam admitted he knew on Monday he was going to be pick 1 ::)
FFS You are starting to sound like Dio. Just enjoy the night. .
Geez, Harvey Langford looked and sounded disappointed.Wanted to be a Tiger :yep
OOoooo Lindsayy.
Watch us take Armstrong now.
If they don't fmd I'll be peeed.
Why Hotton?
Please Armstrong FFS. We need key forwards.
I have no confidence at all in Lynch, Gray, Kosi, Lefau etc.
Port and the Eagles have swapped picks.
15 for 16 + 45.
15. Port Adelaide - Joe Berry.
Unless another club was offering to trade with the Eagles for that pick for Berry? Aside from that I agree with you.Port and the Eagles have swapped picks.
15 for 16 + 45.
15. Port Adelaide - Joe Berry.
If the eagles take Bo Allen at 16 like expected, what was the point of this for Port when they had the very next pick anyway lol
1 of Shanahan or Armstrong will be there at our next pick if we wanted either of them.Yep. But will we grab one of them now we've already taken Faull? :-\
1 of Shanahan or Armstrong will be there at our next pick if we wanted either of them.
Gotta say Lalor, Smillie and Hotton could
Be such a powerful midfield for the next 10 years.
Power, size, impact, speed, skill, very exciting times
Gotta say Lalor, Smillie and Hotton could
Be such a powerful midfield for the next 10 years.
Power, size, impact, speed, skill, very exciting times
Throw in McAullife, Seth Campbell who I reckon will get midfield time going forward, ditto MRJ
Future looks bright, will take time but it's going to be great to watch
Armstrong must not have interview well, every club went cold
Yes ;DArmstrong must not have interview well, every club went cold
Finally gets selected by us
Hopefully people are pleased now ;D
North coming for our pick :prayWant one of the Whitlocks.
Swapped pick 27 + F2 for North's F1.
Could have two picks in the top 5 next year :thumbsup.
Did we pick a single Aboriginal player? You would hope we would rookie some kids that the Korin Gamadji academy might identify at least.
Did we pick a single Aboriginal player? You would hope we would rookie some kids that the Korin Gamadji academy might identify at least.
what a joke the draft coverage is
fancy having to sit through nearly 5 minutes of nothing between bids
becomes a bigger joke after young Sam admitted he knew on Monday he was going to be pick 1 ::)
FFS You are starting to sound like Dio. Just enjoy the night. .
Strongest draft in 30 years and we take only 2 mids
No worries
Dogs have just grabbed Sam Davidson at pick 51.
Strongest draft in 30 years and we take only 2 mids
No worries
Lalor, Smille, Hutton. Am I missing something?
Even picking up a young ruckman as well
How did we get Jasper Alger?
Even picking up a young ruckman as well
Who is the young ruckman?
65. West Coast - Hamish Davis
66. Geelong - Lennox Hofmann
67. North - River Stevens
68. Melbourne - Aidan Johnson
69. Geelong - Keighton Matofai-Forbes
Our last pick is now 73.
Think we'll pass.65. West Coast - Hamish Davis
66. Geelong - Lennox Hofmann
67. North - River Stevens
68. Melbourne - Aidan Johnson
69. Geelong - Keighton Matofai-Forbes
Our last pick is now 73.
Will we actually use it or pass?
What about that VFL kid?Andy, do you mean Sam Davidson?
What about that VFL kid?Andy, do you mean Sam Davidson?
If so, he went to the Dogs at pick 51.
Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
Don't we have at least one rookie spot free after passing on our last pick last night?Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
we have zero spots available
Don't we have at least one rookie spot free after passing on our last pick last night?Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
we have zero spots available
Don't we have at least one rookie spot free after passing on our last pick last night?Do we have any more list spots? Rookies??Yep. Rookie draft tomorrow starting around midday. Not sure how many picks we'll have and use.
we have zero spots available
By my count, we’ve got 36 on the primary list and 7 rookies. So we’ve got 1 spot left but didn’t the club say when we announced our delistings that we would re-rookie Colina? If that’s the case then I think that’s it.
So Colina is no longer a cat B rookie?
Sorry but to me if he can't be cat B he shouldn't be on our list
So did we actually re-rookie Colina because there’s absolutely no mention of it on the AFL site.
I count 28 players on the primary list + 8 national draftees that takes us to 36 on the primary list which is within the required range of 36-38.
Then I count 6 Cat A rookies which is within the required range of 4-6 and 1 Cat B rookie (you can have up to 2).
So 36 Primary List + 6 Cat A rookies + 1 Cat B rookie = 43 Total Listed Players. The maximum list size is 44, so if we didn’t relist Colina, we have 1 spot on our list left which can either be on our primary list or for a new Cat B rookie.
So when do our new draftees actually start at the club?
I would imagine each draftee would go through a thorough medical check, then our fitness expert would find out about their programs and develop specific regimes for all of them ??So when do our new draftees actually start at the club?
Going by Hartley's interview after the draft, next Monday when everyone is back on deck
I would imagine each draftee would go through a thorough medical check, then our fitness expert would find out about their programs and develop specific regimes for all of them ??So when do our new draftees actually start at the club?
Going by Hartley's interview after the draft, next Monday when everyone is back on deck
Agree but don’t want them to get injuredI would imagine each draftee would go through a thorough medical check, then our fitness expert would find out about their programs and develop specific regimes for all of them ??So when do our new draftees actually start at the club?
Going by Hartley's interview after the draft, next Monday when everyone is back on deck
Probably.
I'd just be telling them all to get jacked AF over summer
Sims better be a descent player as that is a fair price that was offered I feel, unless we feel next year is not a great draft.
One Indigenous player drafted in the ND Cody Anderson
https://nit.com.au/22-11-2024/15000/beast-from-the-east-cody-anderson-selected-by-hawthorn-in-afl-draft
Wow
One Indigenous player drafted in the ND Cody Anderson
https://nit.com.au/22-11-2024/15000/beast-from-the-east-cody-anderson-selected-by-hawthorn-in-afl-draft
Wow