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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 31, 2024, 06:44:34 PM
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Lynch will be a forced out if it's a hammy.
Fire away with your changes?
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Is anyone back from injury?
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I’d bring in a certain young first year midfielder
Need to make sure Claw is ok with it first
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Is anyone back from injury?
Dusty?
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Subject to injuries
INS: Martin, McAuliffe
OUTS: Pickett, Banks
If Lynch is out reckon they will bring in Kosi
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Subject to injuries
INS: Martin, McAuliffe
OUTS: Pickett, Banks
If Lynch is out reckon they will bring in Kosi
Not a big fan of Pickett and haven’t been for a while, but he was very very good today. After some of the stinkers he’s had in the past and gotten away with, no way he gets dropped after today.
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I'd rest Dusty another week if he has a legit calf
Banks out for McAuliffe.
If Lynch out then Kosi in just for structure.
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Hopefully Lynch okay to play
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I’d bring in a certain young first year midfielder
Need to make sure Claw is ok with it first
Should have been in this week. :shh
People won't like it but id be getting Short out of that team boy he poos himself. Play Smithy in his role.keep picking kids who have good games in the two's and get rid of short stepping pant shitters.
McAuliffe, Naismith, Smith, Martin and maybe Kosi are in contention for me. I say maybe kosi because to me that would mean Lefau out and id like to see him get another game despite not setting the world on fire.
Lynchy if he has a hammy. Well Naismith in and play Nank forward. Sam is dominating vfl gotta reward that form despite his age.
Will also add i don't think MRJ has the polish for the level. but he won't get dropped this week.
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Yze said Dustin Martin, Dylan Grimes and Jack Graham were each a chance to return for next week’s Gather Round clash with St Kilda at Norwood Oval in Adelaide.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-ll-give-him-the-world-yze-wants-to-keep-baker-at-richmond-20240331-p5fgeq.html).
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Out: Lynch, Broad, Banks
In: Naishsmith, McAuliffe, Martin
Sub:Ross
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Baker out with suspension?
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McAuliffe is south Australian right? Surely debut him in front of his family?
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Baker out with suspension?
Wasn’t high. Front on contact.
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Yze said Dustin Martin, Dylan Grimes and Jack Graham were each a chance to return for next week’s Gather Round clash with St Kilda at Norwood Oval in Adelaide.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-ll-give-him-the-world-yze-wants-to-keep-baker-at-richmond-20240331-p5fgeq.html).
Watched the presser, Yze said Grimes highly doubtful with this mystery wrist injury
Regarding Dusty said he trained yesterday and it was the 1st time he hadn't pulled up sore
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If those three played yesteday we would've lost - and yes I include Dusty in that.... :shh
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Balta and Lynch out injured?
Just had a RFC app notification but no news when I open the app.
Am aware it's 1/4
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1519989/richmond-injury-updates
Is it definitely year for Lynch?
3-5 for Balta.
Hopefully some April fools bs.
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
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They'll blame Meehan if Baker gets suspended.
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
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Outs:
Lynch
Balta
Banks
Baker probably suspended
Ins:
Kosi
McAuliffe
Dusty
Ryan
Forward line will need to include Kosi, Lefau and Ryan/ruck relief. Dusty, Bolton, Mansell, MRJ etc with some midfield rotations.. Looks like utter dog crap from talls perspective but oh well they'll just need to bring it to ground.
Backline will need to be Young, Miller, Broad, Banks.
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
Load of rubbish.
Such bad luck for both Lynch and Balta. The Balta one happened in the last play of the game :banghead
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This is crazy, I don’t remember ever having so many injuries to key players. What the stuff
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
He is a disgrace is what he is. He should be investigated for poo practice Meehan.
Still gets defended on here, but I guess it's easier than to admit you are completely wrong, which they are.
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
What an abso stuffen lutley stupid comment. Your hatred of Meehan is duly noted.
Marking contest he hurts his hammy. No one forced him to stay out there, being a leader he did what he believed he needed to do. He was off within a few minutes not 5. Doctors make medical calls not the head of fitness.
FWIW he had 82% game time. If he didn't sustain an injury I doubt very much you'd be complaining about his game time
BTW
Nowhere on the website (I'll post it shortly) does it say he is out for the season. It says seeing a surgeon this week
As for Balta it says 3-5 weeks
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
This is laughable, I was at the game and no one made him stay out there, he tried to leave the ground but he chose to compete because the ball kept going to his area. And I doubt very much that you have the qualifications to make that call about more damage being done. Criticise where it’s due and if you have the knowledge to back it up.
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Lynch done for year. Balta 6wks. FFS Meehan is a liability.
You’re blaming Meehan for this?
Abso stuffen lutley. idiot hasn’t prepared Lynch to play those minutes and then leaves him out there for 5 stuffen minutes after the initial injury. Almost certainly did a lot more damage in the next 3 or 4 contests he was forced to compete in.
He is a disgrace is what he is. He should be investigated for poo practice Meehan.
Still gets defended on here, but I guess it's easier than to admit you are completely wrong, which they are.
I’m not defending him, just refusing to blame him for something that I have zero knowledge about.
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Richmond Injury Updates
By Richmond Media
1 hr ago
Richmond can confirm that forward pair Tom Lynch and Noah Balta are set for time on the sidelines following fourth-quarter injuries in yesterday’s win against Sydney.
Lynch suffered a significant hamstring tendon injury behind his left knee, which will likely require surgery.
The key forward planted his leg awkwardly, following contact in a marking contest. He felt immediate discomfort and took himself from the field.
Balta has a moderate MCL injury that will keep him out of the game for 3-5 weeks, after he also landed with discomfort, in the final seconds of the match.
Richmond General Manager, Football Performance Tim Livingstone, said the injuries were unfortunate.
“It is rotten luck for Tom, who worked extremely diligently to prepare his body for the season after what was a tough season for him last year,” he said.
“Unfortunately for Tom, he landed in a motion that has caused this injury.
“He will consult a surgeon in the coming days, which will give us a clearer picture of the injury's timeline, but we are expecting he will be out for the longer term."
Balta had made a bright start to the season in a new forward role- but is also set to miss some football.
“In one of the last contests of the game, Noah unfortunately hurt his knee, and scans have confirmed some damage to his MCL,” Livingstone said.
“We will assess him further this week, but we do not expect him to play before the bye.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1519989/richmond-injury-updates
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Who opened up a can of stupid in here? :P
Injuries happen, that's football. One soldier goes down, another steps up ...
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Baker has been given a week .
Surely they will contest
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Ofcourse he has. Changing rules on the fly
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Baker has been given a week .
Surely they will contest
Low impact the only chance but i think they have a shot.
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Baker has been given a week .
Surely they will contest
They should but it won't make any difference
HQ has made it very clear in 2024 you leave the ground and make contact especially high contact you are goneskis
Not saying it is right just saying the that's the landscape now
When it's all said and done it's all Meehan's fault ;D :sarcasm
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Baker has been given a week .
Surely they will contest
They should but it won't make any difference
HQ has made it very clear in 2024 you leave the ground and make contact especially high contact you are goneskis
Not saying it is right just saying the that's the landscape now
When it's all said and done it's all Meehan's fault ;D :sarcasm
What about the high contact to Bakers head when he was on the ground after that, 2 swans players hit him in the head, nothing to see there???
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Out: Baker, Lynch, Balta
In: Dusty, Kosi, Naismith
Where is Bauer? This would be the perfect opportunity to stake a claim in the side with both our forwards and defenders dropping like flies.
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In Louie’s dungeon.
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In Louie’s dungeon.
Seriously, give it a rest.
Clearly you and a couple of other posters have some sort of vested interest in slandering the fitness bloke without any evidence other than pointing at an injury and blaming him for it. This stuff is forensically reviewed by the club every year and if there was even the slightest whiff that the Head of S & C was directly responsible for injuries to key personnel, do you reckon Brendan Gale would just say "oh doesn't matter, play on"? Yeah, right.
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Would bring in Ryan before Naismith - Naismith's a better ruck at this stage but we're replacing forwards not rucks and Ryan's a better forward..... :shh
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What about the high contact to Bakers head when he was on the ground after that, 2 swans players hit him in the head, nothing to see there???
Actually there was nothing to see from a reportable act side of things. Two incidents are not even remotely similar. You highlighted it yourself "on the ground" versus leaving the ground
I don't agree with him being cited but as I said it is clear that in 2024 if you leave the ground, brace for contact and get the opposition high or in the head you are going to get cited and suspended
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Subject to injuries
INS: Martin, McAuliffe
OUTS: Pickett, Banks
If Lynch is out reckon they will bring in Kosi
Ok after the injury news
INS: Martin, McAuliffe, Koschitzke, Ryan
OUTS: Lynch, Balta, Banks, Pickett
I'd bring in Bauer over Ryan if he was match fit
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Snip. Discuss the topic without the personal sniping ppl.
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Where is Bauer?
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We are having a shocking run with injuries. Losing both key forwards in one match is incredibly unlucky and puts enormous pressure on the side to find someone who is capable of kicking multiple goals. Maybe it is worth going in with a small forward line with Dustin playing as a forward the entire game and have either Ryan or Naismith giving Nank back up in the ruck.
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We are having a shocking run with injuries. Losing both key forwards in one match is incredibly unlucky
Or it could be a blessing ;)
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Where is Bauer?
This is the most interesting thing coming out of this year for me
Something strange is happening here
And if there isn’t, then the club should be criticised for a lack of transparency
Obviously something going on at a private and personal level .. hope all is ok
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Obviously Bauer is going through some personal issues. Club is respecting his privacy.
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Obviously Bauer is going through some personal issues. Club is respecting his privacy.
What they should have done is say exactly that
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If they are personal issues then they should remain private. No employer should be publishing personal issues of any employee without their consent
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If they are personal issues then they should remain private. No employer should be publishing personal issues of any employee without their consent
Jacob has taken leave for personal reasons
Is all that would have been needed to stop the endless “where is Bauer” questions
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No different to any other player who has taken leave for personal reasons. The lack of communication here is just unprofessional
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If they are personal issues then they should remain private. No employer should be publishing personal issues of any employee without their consent
Jacob has taken leave for personal reasons
Is all that would have been needed to stop the endless “where is Bauer” questions
It was stop the "where is Bauer" questions and create the "what are Bauer's personal issues" questions.
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We're challenging the Baker suspension, as we should. Hopefully he is fit and stays available.
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If they are personal issues then they should remain private. No employer should be publishing personal issues of any employee without their consent
Jacob has taken leave for personal reasons
Is all that would have been needed to stop the endless “where is Bauer” questions
Not endless questions. Just a couple of entitled flogs who need to know everything
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Bauer has a hammy, out for 4-6 weeks.
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Bauer has a hammy, out for 4-6 weeks.
Since when ?
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Just seen the report. We didn’t even know Bauer was training… building conditioning ? Than he’s unavailable and should be on the injury list. He did his hammy last year too in his debut so he’s barely played and managed 2 hamstring injuries within what, 9 months ? Things are starting to sound fishy with these injuries. Also Dan Rioli said in his conference Bauer had been flying… I find it unlikely
A player didn’t know about another player 4-6 hamstring injury?
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Bauer has a hammy, out for 4-6 weeks.
Haha Louie the Butcher strikes again. Must be in double figures for recurring soft tissue injuries now
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Bauer has a hammy, out for 4-6 weeks.
Since when ?
It’s personal and the club were respecting his wishes to keep it private
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Keep saying it bring in Naismith to ruck and play Nankervis fwd. This week it probably will be Lefau, Kosiitschke and a ruckman.
Lol at Ryan he just doesnt compete at the level and is always getting pushed around not just by the big blokes either. Starting to remind me of the Eltons and McBeans of this world that we have.
Atm something like this.
Out Baker suspended, Lynch inj, Balta inj, McIntosh omit, Shortsteps omitted.
IN Martin ; McAuliffe, Kosi, Naismith, Smith.
Vlastuin - Young - Broad
Brown - Miller - Smith
Rioli - Martin - Pickett
Naismith - Taranto - Bolton
Campbell - Koschitzke - Sonsie
Mansell - Lefau - Nankervis
McAuliffe - Ross - Dow - Rioli.
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Bauer has a hammy, out for 4-6 weeks.
Since when ?
It’s personal and the club were respecting his wishes to keep it private
The injury is real and the personal issue is real. Give him the time he needs to get right.
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I don’t think anyone’s suggesting either issue aren’t real, we are saying where is the stuffing communication ?!
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7news tonight said Koschitzke and Ryan are expected to come in for the injured Lynch and Balta.
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I don’t think anyone’s suggesting either issue aren’t real, we are saying where is the stuffing communication ?!
He was coming back from injury but sustained the hammy last week after showing signs of overcoming the original hammy. Not great Comms by the club for sure. It’s complicated when personal and injury merge.
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I get that but if he isn’t available coz of conditioning then he should be on the injury report imo. Also second hammy within 9 odd months
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HOW RICHMOND MIGHT LOOK TO REPLACE LYNCH AND BALTA
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
3 April 2024
Nick Vlastuin posed the possibility of playing a second ruckman in Sam Naismith so captain Toby Nankervis can be used deep inside forward 50.
“I don’t think Lynch and Balta are replaceable,” Vlastuin said on SEN Breakfast.
“‘Kozi’ (Koschitzke) will come in and do his best, I assume. Then the other spot, I’m not too sure, they might bring Sam Naismith back in and maybe Toby spends a bit of time up forward.
“Both of them (Lynch and Balta) are going to spend a fair bit of time on the sidelines. The other people will get a fair go at it, it will be interesting to see what happens.”
The 206cm Samson Ryan could be used in a similar role to the one floated by Vlastuin after he kicked three goals in the VFL last weekend.
However, after assessing Richmond’s win over the Swans, which was filled with maniacal pressure particularly in the forward half, playing a big man deep for long periods might be detrimental to their game style.
Devoid of two marking powerhouses in Lynch and Balta, Richmond could also turn to Marlion Pickett who at times played a thankless role supporting Riewoldt last season despite standing at just 184cm.
Pickett has been vital on a wing so far this year so that would be a fairly significant shift if Yze were to make it.
The entire situation may just mean the small-to-mid forward group consisting of Shai Bolton, Liam Baker (when he returns from suspension), Seth Campbell, Maurice Rioli, Rhyan Mansell, Tyler Sonsie and co. becomes even more important.
The style of getting the ball forward at any cost, made famous in the Damien Hardwick era, could potentially be revisited in order to service the ground level players rather than sending in long balls to Lynch.
Dustin Martin could perhaps play out of the goal square, but his best work is done at ground level rather than in the air. So ball movement would have to be more precise and a long, get-out kick to a tall target down the line might not be as viable an option.
Other medium-to-tall options include Jacob Bauer, who remains sidelined by a hamstring injury, and Liam Fawcett, who has a long-term back issue.
For this Sunday’s Gather Round clash with St Kilda, it should be Koschitzke given first crack at filling one of the voids with Lefau offered another chance. Joining them as a hybrid leading/ground level option should be Martin (if fully fit), while Ryan may play deepest and also relieve Nankervis.
Judson Clarke or even debutant Kane McAuliffe could come in to replace Baker - provided Jack Graham is not yet ready - to provide some class and grunt respectively.
Another option would be to send Ben Miller to the other end and bring former captain Dylan Grimes back to defence after a wrist injury. That may further disrupt the backline though.
Whichever way Yze goes, it certainly will be a new-look Tigers attack which may be best served playing to some dirty inside 50 ball and getting involved in a high-pressure forward-half brand, rather than kick and clunk.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/03/how-richmond-might-look-to-replace-lynch-and-balta/
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Dustin Martin trained fully today and @Richmond_FC expects him to play on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/tommorris32/status/1775447407167488083
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Outs: Lynch, Balta, Baker
Ins: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty
Would like to get McCauliffe in but they would have to drop Dow which for some reason they are against doing
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I wouldn't be playing Naismith to move Nankervis to the forward line personally. Naismith needs to be the primary ruck backup and Nankervis isn't a forward's a-hole. If anything I suspect Naismith would be better going forward, but ultimately we need to try Ryan and make a decision on his future so he gets the nod for me.
Out: Lynch, Balta, Baker, Banks
In: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty, McAuliffe
Outs: Lynch, Balta, Baker
Ins: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty
Would like to get McCauliffe in but they would have to drop Dow which for some reason they are against doing
Drop Banks instead IMO. Haven't written him off but he just looks way off the pace at the moment to me.
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Agree on all front Andyy
Kosi and Ryan should come in.
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I wouldn't be playing Naismith to move Nankervis to the forward line personally. Naismith needs to be the primary ruck backup and Nankervis isn't a forward's a-hole. If anything I suspect Naismith would be better going forward, but ultimately we need to try Ryan and make a decision on his future so he gets the nod for me.
Out: Lynch, Balta, Baker, Banks
In: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty, McAuliffe
Outs: Lynch, Balta, Baker
Ins: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty
Would like to get McCauliffe in but they would have to drop Dow which for some reason they are against doing
Drop Banks instead IMO. Haven't written him off but he just looks way off the pace at the moment to me.
McCauliffe and banks aren’t like for like though, so you’d be shuffling other pieces around. Maybe Ross to the wing or wherever banks has been but I’ve liked Ross in the middle. Banks has been pretty poor though.
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I wouldn't be playing Naismith to move Nankervis to the forward line personally. Naismith needs to be the primary ruck backup and Nankervis isn't a forward's a-hole. If anything I suspect Naismith would be better going forward, but ultimately we need to try Ryan and make a decision on his future so he gets the nod for me.
Out: Lynch, Balta, Baker, Banks
In: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty, McAuliffe
Outs: Lynch, Balta, Baker
Ins: Kosi, Ryan, Dusty
Would like to get McCauliffe in but they would have to drop Dow which for some reason they are against doing
Drop Banks instead IMO. Haven't written him off but he just looks way off the pace at the moment to me.
McCauliffe and banks aren’t like for like though, so you’d be shuffling other pieces around. Maybe Ross to the wing or wherever banks has been but I’ve liked Ross in the middle. Banks has been pretty poor though.
Well he played a full game vs GCS but we got so fisted in the ass it largely went unnoticed where he was playing to me.
Subbed out vs Port in Q3 having virtually no impact.
Subbed on vs Swans in Q4 and had a handful of touches at 80% DE.
Not writing him off, just think we should play a guy like McAuliffe who is kicking the door down. Dusty will be playing forward you'd think given our dearth of useful key forwards.
Banks can be the sub again maybe.
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
No but at the very least you would expect them to at least compete and not get shoved around like a girl when at the level.
You would at the least expect them to make at worst some sort of decent contribution when at the level.
You would expect some sort of progressive improvement each year to be shown at the level it has not happened.
Can't take the opinion of people seriously who cannot see these things.
At least we know we will get at least a contest if we played Naismith instead of both Kosi and Ryan.
If people think Ryan is a future key forward then more fool them. How about he actually performs as one first before you call him the next big thing.
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
Nankervis was 22 until August 2017 when he helped us with a flag.
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
No but at the very least you would expect them to at least compete and not get shoved around like a girl when at the level.
You would at the least expect them to make at worst some sort of decent contribution when at the level.
You would expect some sort of progressive improvement each year to be shown at the level it has not happened.
Can't take the opinion of people seriously who cannot see these things.
At least we know we will get at least a contest if we played Naismith instead of both Kosi and Ryan.
If people think Ryan is a future key forward then more fool them. How about he actually performs as one first before you call him the next big thing.
Don’t recall Dio calling Ryan the “next big thing”
Not like you to put words in people’s mouths clawski
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
Nankervis was 22 until August 2017 when he helped us with a flag.
Nankervis was never a great ruckman in the pure sense and plenty of ordinary rucks of all ages have won flags...hell our second ruck that year was Grigg.... :shh
Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
No but at the very least you would expect them to at least compete and not get shoved around like a girl when at the level.
You would at the least expect them to make at worst some sort of decent contribution when at the level.
You would expect some sort of progressive improvement each year to be shown at the level it has not happened.
Can't take the opinion of people seriously who cannot see these things.
At least we know we will get at least a contest if we played Naismith instead of both Kosi and Ryan.
If people think Ryan is a future key forward then more fool them. How about he actually performs as one first before you call him the next big thing.
Don’t recall Dio calling Ryan the “next big thing”
Not like you to put words in people’s mouths clawski
Also don't recall saying he was future key forward.... :shh :shh
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
At 23 he played 13 games for the year, averaged 37 hitouts and got 4 brownlow votes for the year.
The following year at 24 he played all 22 games and recorded 928 hitouts.
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
At 23 he played 13 games for the year, averaged 37 hitouts and got 4 brownlow votes for the year.
The following year at 24 he played all 22 games and recorded 928 hitouts.
:thumbsup
great, so next year the great man Ryan will collect 928 hitouts.
beauty.
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Problem with Ryan is his contest work is very poor for someone his size. I’m sure he has but I honestly can’t remember a contested mark of his off the top of my head. You could excuse his efforts at ground level given his giraffe like build, but if he can’t take a mark against opposition that he stands a foot clear of, he isn’t much use at the moment.
Plenty of other players would get called soft if they went into contests the way Ryan goes in at the moment.
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
At 23 he played 13 games for the year, averaged 37 hitouts and got 4 brownlow votes for the year.
The following year at 24 he played all 22 games and recorded 928 hitouts.
:thumbsup
great, so next year the great man Ryan will collect 928 hitouts.
beauty.
I'm worried he won't get that in his career but I like your optimism
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Rather Ryan 100 times over Kosie. His form has been poor.
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Rather Ryan 100 times over Kosie. His form has been poor.
Me too, just depends on whether we want to go with 2 talls or 3.
I'm open to trying 3 and subbing 1 out if it's not working.
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
At 23 he played 13 games for the year, averaged 37 hitouts and got 4 brownlow votes for the year.
The following year at 24 he played all 22 games and recorded 928 hitouts.
:thumbsup
great, so next year the great man Ryan will collect 928 hitouts.
beauty.
I'm worried he won't get that in his career but I like your optimism
We pick Ryan, put all this work in, wait for him to mature and don’t give him a go, absurd.
He should be played in front of Kosii and Naismith.
He needs to be played
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Exception not the rule though Andy. Most are crap early IMO.
What was Gawn like?
At 23 he played 13 games for the year, averaged 37 hitouts and got 4 brownlow votes for the year.
The following year at 24 he played all 22 games and recorded 928 hitouts.
:thumbsup
great, so next year the great man Ryan will collect 928 hitouts.
beauty.
I'm worried he won't get that in his career but I like your optimism
We pick Ryan, put all this work in, wait for him to mature and don’t give him a go, absurd.
He should be played in front of Kosii and Naismith.
He needs to be played
I have agreed with this previously.
Naismith is the Nank backup, and Nank isn't a forward's a-hole.
We need to see if Ryan is going to make it or not.
The only question for me is do we bring in both Ryan + Kosi for Lynch + Balta and continue with the 3 tall approach, or bring in just Ryan and go with 2 talls only (assuming Lefau is holding his spot).
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I know it's early days but Kosi looks like he has nfi.
Play Ryan
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
Nankervis was 22 until August 2017 when he helped us with a flag.
Nankervis was never a great ruckman in the pure sense and plenty of ordinary rucks of all ages have won flags...hell our second ruck that year was Grigg.... :shh
Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
No but at the very least you would expect them to at least compete and not get shoved around like a girl when at the level.
You would at the least expect them to make at worst some sort of decent contribution when at the level.
You would expect some sort of progressive improvement each year to be shown at the level it has not happened.
Can't take the opinion of people seriously who cannot see these things.
At least we know we will get at least a contest if we played Naismith instead of both Kosi and Ryan.
If people think Ryan is a future key forward then more fool them. How about he actually performs as one first before you call him the next big thing.
Don’t recall Dio calling Ryan the “next big thing”
Not like you to put words in people’s mouths clawski
Sometimes you have to get down to other peoples level.
Also don't recall saying he was future key forward.... :shh :shh
So he's not a ruckman and hes not a fwd. ::)
Bottom line is like many people i don't think he is anywhere near ready for either role based on what we have seen to date at the level.
He is not Physically ready people are sick of seeing him get pushed out of contests like a light weight. Your big on not playing anyone who does not contribute yet when its a favorite that all changes. A real lack of consistency.
atm do we play Ryan and Koschitzke who will both likely make little to no contribution based on performances or do we play Naismith who will give Nankervis a good chop out and the two will at the least compete in the air.
Naismith has also been in our best players every week. Aged 17 or 40 at some stage you need to reward that form.
If we had a young player playing great footy and physically ready then sure play him but we don't.
If Ryan strings 4 or 5 games together where he shows he no longer is easily pushed aside by big opponents and he starts dragging down contested marks then sure play him and find out where he is at at AFL level.
At least make him show these things consistently at the lower level.
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Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
Nankervis was 22 until August 2017 when he helped us with a flag.
Nankervis was never a great ruckman in the pure sense and plenty of ordinary rucks of all ages have won flags...hell our second ruck that year was Grigg.... :shh
Can't take the opinions of anyone who expects a ruckman to be of AFL standard at the age of 23 seriously....the Maddens & NicNats of the world are the exceptions not the rule... :shh
No but at the very least you would expect them to at least compete and not get shoved around like a girl when at the level.
You would at the least expect them to make at worst some sort of decent contribution when at the level.
You would expect some sort of progressive improvement each year to be shown at the level it has not happened.
Can't take the opinion of people seriously who cannot see these things.
At least we know we will get at least a contest if we played Naismith instead of both Kosi and Ryan.
If people think Ryan is a future key forward then more fool them. How about he actually performs as one first before you call him the next big thing.
Don’t recall Dio calling Ryan the “next big thing”
Not like you to put words in people’s mouths clawski
Sometimes you have to get down to other peoples level.
Also don't recall saying he was future key forward.... :shh :shh
So he's not a ruckman and hes not a fwd. ::)
Bottom line is like many people i don't think he is anywhere near ready for either role based on what we have seen to date at the level.
He is not Physically ready people are sick of seeing him get pushed out of contests like a light weight. Your big on not playing anyone who does not contribute yet when its a favorite that all changes. A real lack of consistency.
atm do we play Ryan and Koschitzke who will both likely make little to no contribution based on performances or do we play Naismith who will give Nankervis a good chop out and the two will at the least compete in the air.
Naismith has also been in our best players every week. Aged 17 or 40 at some stage you need to reward that form.
If we had a young player playing great footy and physically ready then sure play him but we don't.
If Ryan strings 4 or 5 games together where he shows he no longer is easily pushed aside by big opponents and he starts dragging down contested marks then sure play him and find out where he is at at AFL level.
At least make him show these things consistently at the lower level.
Ryan is playing well in the VFL. I know Naismith is a better ruck but if Nank is fit I wouldn't be playing all 3.
And I agree re: physicality.
IMO most of it is mental - you're either mentally tough or not, the physical stuff is secondary to that. Plenty of wiry built guys have been dangerous in the past.
Ryan isn't going to stack on 10kg suddenly in his mid-20's and start pushing blokes around. He plays like Jane now and IMO probably always will because he doesn't have the c-word in him.
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I challenge people to go look all the ruckmen who have been used so far this year. Almost to a man Ryan is not only behind them at age 23 but miles behind them.
Most had at least managed to show incremental improvement at the level and had at least started to cement themselves in the role at the level.
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He’s a key forward that will pinch hit as a ruck
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He’s a key forward that will pinch hit as a ruck
Spot on 💯 that's we're people got it wrong.
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I challenge people to go look all the ruckmen who have been used so far this year. Almost to a man Ryan is not only behind them at age 23 but miles behind them.
Most had at least managed to show incremental improvement at the level and had at least started to cement themselves in the role at the level.
That's bs mate at age 23 ruckman still considered a baby there a slow burn with them unless there gun like a English or a Darcy
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Some people have no patience at all, pick on a few negatives and bypass all the positives. Let his body develop, he was a bean pole. Once he fills out and gains strength he will be a completely different player
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He’s a key forward that will pinch hit as a ruck
Spot on 💯 that's we're people got it wrong.
Nope. Ruckman first every day of the week....cast your minds back to last year when Nank & Soldo were both out and he was first ruck - easily his best games for the club at senior level so far.... :shh
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I challenge people to go look all the ruckmen who have been used so far this year. Almost to a man Ryan is not only behind them at age 23 but miles behind them.
Most had at least managed to show incremental improvement at the level and had at least started to cement themselves in the role at the level.
That's bs mate at age 23 ruckman still considered a baby there a slow burn with them unless there gun like a English or a Darcy
No b/s bud go look it up for yourself. With out doing the home work id say most of the ruckmen by age 23 if not established to some degree which Ryan is not, either ultimately fall by the way side or mostly become backups because clubs need a mature bodied cover.
Tim English was a slow burn but each year he showed incremental improvement and as such the dogs kept putting games into him. By the end of 2023 he went 290 disposals, 19 goals, 341 hit outs, 41 clearances, 144 contested possesions, and 31 contested marks.
At the moment Ryan cannot even get a regular game and when he does he has invariably done poorly.
Will he get better well we all hope so but based on what has gone before you would be mad not to be raising concerns.