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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 31, 2024, 11:25:03 PM
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RICHMOND
Pass mark: Win four games
The Tigers managed just two wins from 23 last season, and to make matters more difficult heading into next season, key contributors Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker and Jack Graham departed for rival clubs in the off-season, while Dustin Martin and Dylan Grimes were among the retirees. Richmond will see an influx of highly talented youth arrive at the draft, but winning two more games on top of this year’s meagre tally will be a challenge. However, in senior coach Adem Yze’s second year in charge, improvement needs to be seen from a game-plan perspective — and with a host of players set to return from season-ending 2024 injuries, there will be more assets at Yze’s disposal next year, making a four-win total an appropriate ask.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-every-clubs-pass-mark-for-2025-season-after-trade-period-analysis-predictions-premiership-favourites-wooden-spoon-latest-news/news-story/c0d3b37e4d5bfdd522a698cd01017bf3
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Stick more tackles kick more goals but still get the top draft pick. :shh
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Need to finish last
Anything else is a fail
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Need to finish last
Anything else is a fail
Then and this is just my opinion ;) I think you might be disappointed
I see us winning at least 6 games
Why? We are going to get an incredibly soft draw. With the youth coming through, they bring enthusiasm that IMHO will filter through the group.. so based on that I reckon we will get off to a fast start, struggle in the middle and finish with a flourish
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Stick more tackles kick more goals but still get the top draft pick. :shh
This but I agree with WP, we might win more game next year than we do 2 years later so I’ll add find a way to get multiple top 10 picks and start in earnest the work required to land free agency players for 2026
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The establishment of a cohesive tight knit focussed group with Yze becoming the strong enabling coach
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Not looking at games won.
Just want to see a handful of draftees get a handful of two of games.
See some junior guys stand up and solidify a spot in the 23.
Have an improved injury and recovery run.
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I’m looking for hope ,watching the young guys we have , along with the ones we get in the next couple of years develop to a competitive level is what I will goes to games for.
Along with recruitment , development is the most important skill we need at the club
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Hopefully north trade is their future 1st, finish last and then we get pick 1 anyway. Win-win, well except for north lol
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Iwant to see a Yze game style start to show.
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This is the bit that. Worried me in 2024
I couldn’t see much of a game plan at all.
What I did see was some really awful stuff at times eg kicking short on the backline
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Iwant to see a Yze game style start to show.
Yze will be a legend
Last this year
Last next year
Draft picks galore
Whoever the next coach is, will be set to dominate
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This is the bit that. Worried me in 2024
I couldn’t see much of a game plan at all.
What I did see was some really awful stuff at times eg kicking short on the backline
I actually think we saw what the gameplan should be. Those short kicks were to try and generate a switch to the open side
But it requires excellent foot skills which so many of our players don't have.
In part our old game style workwd because it was based on chaos in moving the ball forward didn't rely on as much on good skills by foot
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This is the bit that. Worried me in 2024
I couldn’t see much of a game plan at all.
What I did see was some really awful stuff at times eg kicking short on the backline
I actually think we saw what the gameplan should be. Those short kicks were to try and generate a switch to the open sode
But it requires excellent foot skills which so many of our players don't have.
In part our old game style because it was based on chaos in moving the ball forward didn't rely on as much on good skills by foot
Reminds me of Richmond 2012-2016
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Well Yze won't have any excuses with this draft hand he will pick the players he wants. If he wants kickers he will get skilled kicks. I think it's still a collision based game though that may change due to concussion rules. It may turn into chasey like it was in the long distant past.
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Need to finish last
Anything else is a fail
Then and this is just my opinion ;) I think you might be disappointed
I see us winning at least 6 games
Why? We are going to get an incredibly soft draw. With the youth coming through, they bring enthusiasm that IMHO will filter through the group.. so based on that I reckon we will get off to a fast start, struggle in the middle and finish with a flourish
Agree with all you've said WP, however I think what is needed above all to all of that to translate to wins is a successful game style. The side is a Frankenstein mixture at the moment and who knows how they will feel together straight away. Mitchell at Hawks clicked this year with their unique identity and football style. North haven't done that yet, yet have better talent.
So whilst agree that enthusiasm and soft draw will help enormously if we don't build a certain way of playing football, a new, clear Richmond style the Ws will be rare until we do.
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Football hasn't really changed all that much since the 60's & 70's. How so? Because the thing that crushes all opposition is direct football. Get the ball any way you can, run as far as you can with it then kick the F* out of it! That is the patented Richmond style of football, its our invention & its why we are so feared.
There are more highly skilled players & sides than us who play pretty football, do pretty things & collect awards & accolades for it, but at Richmond we do things differently! A quick, direct, ruthlessly decisive kill beats everybody, our style has to be based on that idea.
So, I want to see the new Richmond side under Yze do all of those typically Richmond things because its a winning formula. It wont win awards or praise, but it will win premierships! It will take time to develop the young talent we are about to draft, so this wont happen quickly, but it will happen inevitably.
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Forget about wins we're looking for green shoots and a identity and structure.
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/11/27/two-time-premiership-captains-big-predictions-for-the-2025-afl-season
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Need to finish last
Anything else is a fail
I believe in North to come last
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Need to finish last
Anything else is a fail
I believe in North to come last
Yeah
That’ll do now
The stupidity of Nort knows no bounds
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This is gpingbto sound crazy but I'm tipping St Kilda to win the spoon :santa
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Sam Edmund and Adam Cooney react to Mark Bickley's enormous Richmond prediction
By Isabella Bianchi
SEN
6 Dec 2024
Sam Edmund and Adam Cooney have both doubted Mark Bickley’s huge call, after the former Adelaide captain predicted that “Richmond will go through the whole season winless next year”.
They discussed their reasonings on SEN Breakfast, maintaining it would be basically impossible for the Tigers to lose 24 straight games.
The duo later provided an insight into how the Tigers can find some success in 2025, and what a difficult season could teach them.
Edmund: “That is a bold, bold prediction, I think it’s happened a few times historically but not since 1964, certainly not in the AFL era. It was a different time obviously.
“In the modern day, can it still happen? It could, but how likely is it?”
Cooney: “We’ve seen some horrible teams win a game, like the expansion teams. Even a bunch of hacks that were assembled just before the 2016 season for the Bombers won a couple of games.
“Essendon beat Carton and Gold Coast in 2016 actually.”
Edmund: “So, you beat Carlton in your last week, Gold Coast a few weeks before that and beat Melbourne in Round 2, so they won three.”
Cooney: “Yeah so three wins and that is one of the worst teams ever assembled. As I mentioned, that’s pretty positive.”
Edmund: “The ceiling was low, but is the ceiling low for Richmond? Yes.”
Cooney: “Yes. But it’ll happen. Any team can have a shocking day. Richmond might get two wins.
“They’ll play as the most inexperienced side since those expansion teams, but it’ll be good for them.
“They’ve just got to keep pouring games into these kids. If (Sam) Lalor is playing poorly just keep him out there.”
Edmund: “Richmond hasn’t won since June 6 when they beat Adelaide out at Adelaide Oval. Last year was a two-win season and they’ve become infinitely worse so I can see why Bicks has made that prediction.”
Cooney: “Yet they beat Sydney last year. That was Adam Yze’s first win, against Sydney at the MCG. Any team can beat anyone on the day if they’re off.”
Edmund: “I agree with you.”
The discussion then turned to clubs bottoming out after winning flags, like Richmond has done since their triple treat between 2017 and 2020.
Cooney, the 2008 Brownlow Medallist, played 11 seasons for the Western Bulldogs and two for Essendon, only featuring in finals in three of those campaigns.
He insists he would have been happy to go through his career without further success if he won a flag early.
“If someone came to me in my first and said, ‘Listen, where you’re 18 you’re going to play in a premiership with the Western Bulldogs but the next 15 years of your career you’re not going to play a final’, I’d say, ‘Who cares?’,” he added.
“That’s why you play, to win a premiership. It doesn’t matter what happens after that.
“People say, ‘Teams are wasted, they could have dominated three or four years’. Who cares? If you won a premiership, nothing matters after that.
“Ask St Kilda supporters, ask the Dogs supporters after 1954. Richmond won three of them! They could give two back now and be happy with the one that they’ve got.”
Edmund added: “Is it worth the downfall? 100 per cent.
“Couldn’t be worth it any more in my humble opinion.
“But maybe it depends on where you come from. If you’ve been spoiled by success of your footy team then maybe, but so many clubs are desperately trying to win premierships and they’re so very hard to win.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/12/05/sam-edmund-and-adam-cooney-react-to-mark-bickleys-enormous-richmond
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I actually think we will win 3-4 games. I think we will be better than last year, as long as the injuries subside.
Pass mark for me though is blooding as many kids as possible. 3-4 game blocks then rest. Rince and repeat
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Reckon we can win up to 8 games with both a good run of injuries and also a decent run of luck in the close ones, particularly umpires. That’s a best case scenario with the worst case being 1-2 wins
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Think they forget how decimated we were by injury.
Would have won half a dozen games if we had a good side out there most weeks imo.
We will not go winless in '25. Easily 2-4 wins minimum.
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Beat North twice, 2 grand finals, all that matters
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The main priority next year is green shoots from the cubs and a system and identity.
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Doing the small things consistently well is what I would like to see:-
Sticking tackles, aggressive blocking and shepards off the ball.
If we’re going to block space, let’s make sure up the field the players are sweating on the opposition to create some perceived - or better still - real pressure on the kicker.
F50 pressure would be bloody fantastic to see come back into our game plan.
Offence starts from defence. I saw little or none of that last season. All of these things can happen with or without injuries.
Hope players are on a program in pre season that allows the running power to do these defensive things relentlessly through the year
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We lost about 6 players including our best and fairest , all going well 1 to 2 games this year because I haven’t seen anything special from the up and coming players and the old and injury prone will be still be tired and injured.
to see green shoots from our new kids will be my wins and if we win a few games a bonus
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Funny the things you remember.
First time GWS beat Sydney …there was a little excitement on here but someone wiser than me commented that it was scary . A baby Frankenstein learning to walk .
Obviously we have some tough times ahead but my hope after this years draft haul , in addition to what we might acquire in the draft next year - we might be viewed by opposition supporters as a “Baby Frankenstein “ .
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Yes can't wait to see this list reach the heights of getting belted in a grand final and multiple embarrassing chokes in other finals. :shh
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Last year was just horrible
Actually really looking forward to this year, what that brings who knows but just a bit excited about a new start
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Last year was just horrible
Actually really looking forward to this year, what that brings who knows but just a bit excited about a new start
Agree.
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Pass mark is 2nd last and Nth finish last.
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Last year was just horrible
Actually really looking forward to this year, what that brings who knows but just a bit excited about a new start
Agree.
Ditto
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Pass mark for me is to win some Ruck contests resulting in decent or at a minimum competitive clearance numbers. Hit outs to advantage that go to our players. 🤫
The massive Elephant in the room we are turning a blind eye to.....
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Pass mark is 2nd last and Nth finish last.
That’s not a pass mark. That would be like hitting the jackpot.
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Going into specifics a pass mark for me is gibcus actually playing a whole season
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Richmond will win the wooden spoon, and by some distance
Max Laughton
Fox Sports
December 24th, 2024
The Tigers accelerated their rebuild by finishing 18th in 2024, but you could certainly make the case they weren’t the worst list last season; the Kangaroos were pretty terrible too, and the Eagles were horrendous at times, with injuries limiting any chance of a good first campaign for Adem Yze. We suspect availability will be a problem in 2025 as well, but more because you can’t use players who aren’t on your list any more. Trading aggressively, and taking a million picks in the draft, should help Richmond get better in a few years’ time but they will cop plenty of losses in the interim. Everyone expects the Tigers will be bad but we don’t think the footy community is quite ready for how ugly things could get. The rebuild coach doesn’t usually survive to see the success, so Yze has to hope there’s a lot of patience at Punt Road.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-25-bold-predictions-for-2025-finals-and-top-eight-tips-carlton-premiers-hawthorn-grand-final-brownlow-medal-analysis/news-story/b2392b4c50ad6f95197fb4ac6ce6cbc4
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A pass mark will be the development of the younger players, wins will be a bonus.
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Development of the cubs as yandb says plus a focus as a team on the defensive aspects of the game including proper tackling technique.
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Predicted AFL ladder
Max Laughton
Fox Sports
March 3rd, 2025
Whereas Richmond should be an especially bad team. In fact, we are more confident putting them 18th than we are putting any team in any position on this predicted ladder.
We’re not saying they’re going winless, because kinda like West Coast at their absolute lowest ebb, there’s enough established talent still here (when healthy) to compete at least a few times this season. Remember, they had a shocking run with injury in 2024 which made them look even worse than they truly were.
And teams just don’t go winless in modern footy - they win a random one against a good team that had a shocking day, or pinch some close ones. It’s really, really hard to be THAT bad.
But they have lost over 1000 games of experience for two consecutive off-seasons. Nobody is calling this tanking, because it’s not like they’re trying to lose games during the season itself -they are simply pushing as hard as they can on the accelerator.
Taking six first-round picks, plus the first pick of the second round, is a genuinely mind-boggling haul, especially if the 2024 draft is as good as all the recruiters think it was. And remember, they traded their seventh first-round pick to North for the Roos’ future first! It would be a surprise if Richmond didn’t have two top-five picks in the 2025 draft.
The only points of comparison we have are expansion teams, and expansion teams are always awful. The Tigers are basically an expansion side that somehow convinced more veterans than usual to play for them.
It would be remarkable if they avoided a bottom two finish. And really, it’d be weird if they didn’t win the wooden spoon. They are clearly a weaker list going into 2025 than they were going into 2024, and they won two games last year.
A much gentler run with injuries could mean they actually win a couple more games, of course, but that’s just the randomness of footy. On paper, they are clearly 18th of 18, and the only person who should be slightly concerned about that is Adem Yze - because it’s very hard to be the rebuild coach.
He will get support and patience from a club that’s much stronger than it was the last time it needed to build back up... it’s just that losing is tough, even when you’re not just expecting it, but accepting it.
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predicted-ladder-2025-preseason-analysis-and-preview-tips-for-premiership-top-eight-and-wooden-spoon-rules-to-pick-the-ladder/news-story/c8a5d5014097e261b88dd08514b5e367
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Development development and development plus the right culture , compete and never give up
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Forget about 4qtrs will be typical of a rebuilding side a good half or qtr here and there or patches and then drop-off. All about good signs from the cubs and identifying a game style
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Breaking down every AFL club’s ladder range
Jack Jovanovski
Fox Sports
March 5th, 2025
RICHMOND: 15th-18th
Improving on a two-win campaign in Adem Yze’s second year at the helm shapes as a manageable hill to climb, but it will still prove a difficult task given the significant void in experience left by their departed stars, as well as unavailability across the board to begin the season.
The Tigers will be without Noah Balta for four games and Josh Gibcus for at least the early portion of the season in a blow to their key-position defensive-half stocks, while Josh Smillie — one of the Tigers’ eight fresh-faced draftees from last November — is hamstrung, veteran Dion Prestia suffered an Achilles blow, and Judson Clarke, Mykelti Lefau, Taj Hotton and Tylar Young continue to rehabilitate ACL injuries.
While Yze plots improvement from his Tigers after a baptism of fire in year one, they will need to correct troubling performances in key metrics.
In 2024, Richmond ranked dead-last for scoring, last for inside-50 differential, second-last for disposal differential, second-last for points-from-turnover differential, and second-last for forward-half scoring differential.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-every-clubs-predicted-ladder-range-premiership-finals-top-eight-bottom-four-predictions-analysis/news-story/776bc2cc8a6fdd5c6bd20e9dfb9b04b5
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Ok here's a question or two. How many times will we get belted by 100 points or more and how many by 10 goals or more?
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Broad expects 'intent' as new era dawns
Anna Pavlou
RFC website
11 March 2025
Richmond veteran Nathan Broad has declared the new era at Tigerland has begun, but it doesn’t mean the intent and hunger must change.
“Our organisation, and us as a team, are here to win and that’s what we want to do,” Broad said.
“It might not be what it looked like in 2017, but we still want to see things that are the same from 2017.
“Effort, intent and pressure is something you can bring, whether you have played one game or 100.
"I think our fans will see that throughout the year and they’ll see little wins along the way.”
“We’ve had a great pre-season. We’re healthy. We had a pretty interrupted year with injuries last year, so we’re excited,” he said.
“We have a healthy list at the moment. There’s not as many spots up for grabs. You have to earn your jersey; we’re not giving out games.”
“We want to teach the new kids coming what the standards are at Richmond and what’s required. I think we will see that on Thursday night,” Broad said.
“We just want to see growth every week from these young kids getting better and better.
“Effort and intent is one thing hopefully our Tigers fans will see on Thursday night and for the year.
“It’s a new journey; it’s a new era. But we’re still here to win games at the end of the day.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1728536/nathan-broad-ready-for-new-era-round-1