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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 21, 2024, 09:15:57 PM
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Welcome to Tigerland, Jasper :)
ps. Surprised me. I was away from my laptop thinking we had finished lol.
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Medium forward who is strong overhead, quick on the burst and a fine decision maker, with his goal kicking also an asset. Mixed his football this year between the Oakleigh Chargers and Caulfield Grammar, as well as representing Victoria Country in all four matches of the Marsh AFL National Championships, which included a three-goal haul against South Australia. Played six matches in the Coates Talent League for the Chargers, averaging 11 disposals and kicking eight goals. His four-goal effort against the Calder Cannons in the Wildcard Round was an impressive performance before suffering a broken finger in a basketball training mishap which ruled him out of the remaining finals. Tested extremely well at the national Draft Combine, ranking fourth on the 20m sprint (2.95 seconds) and tenth on the agility test (8.14 seconds).
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Where did we get that pick from? Thought we traded everything outside of our 20s picks to Gold Coast?
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:gobdrop
Where did that pick come from?
I thought after 28 we had nothing until 89
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Where did we get that pick from? Thought we traded everything outside of our 20s picks to Gold Coast?
Traded our Future 4th to the Suns for pick 58.
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Jasper Alger
height: 183cm
D.O.B: 17-12-2006
Position: Forward
Clubs: Oakleigh Chargers, Warragul FNC
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys
SNAPSHOT:
“A clinical finisher capable of playing above his 183cm standing with notable power and marking ability inside forward 50.” – Michael Alvaro
One of many country kids plying their trade in the city, Jasper Alger has excelled through the Victorian footballing pathway. A native of the Gippsland catchment, he made his Coates Talent League debut with the Power as a 15-year-old in 2022 – the same year he broke through for a senior berth with Warragul, and represented Vic Country at the Under 16 National Championships.
Alger would go on to make seven appearances for Gippsland in his bottom-age campaign last year, though a move to Caulfield Grammar meant he would end up shifting allegiances to Oakleigh in 2024. Having cut his teeth in a variety of roles further afield, Alger settled up forward as a top-ager, playing six games for the Chargers and a full national carnival between his APS commitments.
The forward put his name in lights with bigtime performances in Vic Country’s opening National Championships fixture against South Australia, and then in Oakleigh’s Wildcard Round win over top Metro seed, Calder Cannons. His season ended abruptly due to a finger injury sustained while playing basketball, but that didn’t deter him from lighting up the National Draft Combine.
(https://cdn.central.rookieme.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/VC-Jasper-Alger-1.jpg)
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jasper-alger/
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VIDEO:
Jasper Alger highlights:
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https://www.afl.com.au/video/1256656/draft-watch-jasper-alger
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Saved the night. :shh
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I love this pick because it was for a player we just had to have! Blair trading back into the draft to get a player they were thinking of taking in the twenties. The best part of claiming this small little star is that it fills another need. In one draft, we now have what other teams have tried to assemble through the draft over half a decade.
We now have three mids: one player maker, one inside bull and one elusive outside creator.
We also have two key forwards (& a half): one aggro tall beast and one explosive marking lead.
Add to this a interceptor marking defender, a agile ruck/forward and a clever small crumber.
So all in all, we have addressed all of our fundamental needs in one draft (and mostly in one draft round).
It's hard not be feel excited about the future.
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I love this pick because it was for a player we just had to have! Blair trading back into the draft to get a player they were thinking of taking in the twenties. The best part of claiming this small little star is that it fills another need. In one draft, we now have what other teams have tried to assemble through the draft over half a decade.
We now have three mids: one player maker, one inside bull and one elusive outside creator.
We also have two key forwards (& a half): one aggro tall beast and one explosive marking lead.
Add to this a interceptor marking defender, a agile ruck/forward and a clever small crumber.
So all in all, we have addressed all of our fundamental needs in one draft (and mostly in one draft round).
It's hard not be feel excited about the future.
Here here.
Then 2025 draft, outside running mids and rebounding defenders with pace and we are laughing.
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I love this pick because it was for a player we just had to have! Blair trading back into the draft to get a player they were thinking of taking in the twenties. The best part of claiming this small little star is that it fills another need. In one draft, we now have what other teams have tried to assemble through the draft over half a decade.
We now have three mids: one player maker, one inside bull and one elusive outside creator.
We also have two key forwards (& a half): one aggro tall beast and one explosive marking lead.
Add to this a interceptor marking defender, a agile ruck/forward and a clever small crumber.
So all in all, we have addressed all of our fundamental needs in one draft (and mostly in one draft round).
It's hard not be feel excited about the future.
Here here.
Then 2025 draft, outside running mids and rebounding defenders with pace and we are laughing.
Sounds good to me.
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I love this pick because it was for a player we just had to have! Blair trading back into the draft to get a player they were thinking of taking in the twenties. The best part of claiming this small little star is that it fills another need. In one draft, we now have what other teams have tried to assemble through the draft over half a decade.
We now have three mids: one player maker, one inside bull and one elusive outside creator.
We also have two key forwards (& a half): one aggro tall beast and one explosive marking lead.
Add to this a interceptor marking defender, a agile ruck/forward and a clever small crumber.
So all in all, we have addressed all of our fundamental needs in one draft (and mostly in one draft round).
It's hard not be feel excited about the future.
Been a while Stripes. As always, a great post.
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Foxsports phantom draft - "AFL player comparison: Toby Greene". :shh
I am stoked with this selection. Many mocks drafts had him going to Richmond with 23/24.
I think there was a rumor tigers were poised to take him before norf offered their future first...
Balances out the draft hand beautifully with two skilled smalls in Alger and Hotton. After going KPP heavy
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Saved the night. :shh
Which of the first seven selections upset you?
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Saved the night. :shh
Which of the first seven selections upset you?
Would suggest our first on night two lol
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Saved the night. :shh
Which of the first seven selections upset you?
You do realise we only made two selections on the second night don't you? :shh
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Saved the night. :shh
Which of the first seven selections upset you?
You do realise we only made two selections on the second night don't you? :shh
You have Thomas Sims rated that poor of a prospect?
" STRENGTHS:
+ Athleticism
+ Creativity
+ Leading patterns
+ Marking
+ Physicality
+ Versatility "
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Got nothing against Sims. Know squat about him. Hope he becomes the best ruck/fwd in the league.
I think on the balance of the draft another mid would have been better, especially since we could have taken Allen/Reid, before our deep dive into the key position market.
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I’m pleased we are building the spine with rated keys on top of the big mids, successful clubs have gone done that , a long way to go but we can bring in some mids and flankers next year on a need basis
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Got nothing against Sims. Know squat about him. Hope he becomes the best ruck/fwd in the league.
I think on the balance of the draft another mid would have been better, especially since we could have taken Allen/Reid, before our deep dive into the key position market.
If we take a mid earlier. Good chance Armstrong or Trainor are gone by the later picks? Very happy to get those two on the books.
Landing two of the 'big 6' mids is a pretty good result. Hotton has big ceiling too.
I think Alger has been described as a 'high' half forward too and he is 17 until the end of the year. Might end up as a mid option.
Looking at the list of smalls that went after Sims I'm reasonable comfortable overlooking them. Need to save some room for Hopper (who might bounce back?) and Taranto and potentially Duursma/Sharp next draft pool
I liked the sounds of Jack Ough but maybe HQ didn't want another giant midfielder. Christian Moraes hasn't developed as expected and his kicking sounds a bit shaky. Tom Gross appears to be pretty solid but slipped to 46.
Reid does sound quality back you can't get everyone
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You may be right and obviously we’d never know but other than Tauru, every key position player was taken at our picks.
14 - Faull
21 - Trainor
23 - Armstrong
27 - M.Whitlock (remember this was our pick we traded to the kangas)
28 - Sims
The next key position player who got drafted was Shanahan at #30.
Just seems we could have snuck in another top end mid at 14 and gotten every other player at our next pick just obviously missing out on Sims. If one of Faull or Armstrong had been taken before that we could have just replaced them with Shanahan or J. Whitlock. I won’t pretend I follow the draft closely enough to know whether that would have been a big downgrade on the kp part.
But your right in the sense that you will always be able to get quality mids at the top end of the draft which we should have access to a couple next year. Whereas kp’s are more hit and miss so you have to throw more darts before getting your bullseyes.
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You may be right and obviously we’d never know but other than Tauru, every key position player was taken at our picks.
14 - Faull
21 - Trainor
23 - Armstrong
27 - M.Whitlock (remember this was our pick we traded to the kangas)
28 - Sims
The next key position player who got drafted was Shanahan at #30.
Just seems we could have snuck in another top end mid at 14 and gotten every other player at our next pick just obviously missing out on Sims. If one of Faull or Armstrong had been taken before that we could have just replaced them with Shanahan or J. Whitlock. I won’t pretend I follow the draft closely enough to know whether that would have been a big downgrade on the kp part.
But your right in the sense that you will always be able to get quality mids at the top end of the draft which we should have access to a couple next year. Whereas kp’s are more hit and miss so you have to throw more darts before getting your bullseyes.
I see your point but we have quite a few mids at present, will half of them sit on the bench all year??
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You may be right and obviously we’d never know but other than Tauru, every key position player was taken at our picks.
14 - Faull
21 - Trainor
23 - Armstrong
27 - M.Whitlock (remember this was our pick we traded to the kangas)
28 - Sims
The next key position player who got drafted was Shanahan at #30.
Just seems we could have snuck in another top end mid at 14 and gotten every other player at our next pick just obviously missing out on Sims. If one of Faull or Armstrong had been taken before that we could have just replaced them with Shanahan or J. Whitlock. I won’t pretend I follow the draft closely enough to know whether that would have been a big downgrade on the kp part.
But your right in the sense that you will always be able to get quality mids at the top end of the draft which we should have access to a couple next year. Whereas kp’s are more hit and miss so you have to throw more darts before getting your bullseyes.
I see your point but we have quite a few mids at present, will half of them sit on the bench all year??
Can't believe we signed up Dow.
Wouldn't give him a game above Taranto, Hopper, McAuliffe, Ross, Prestia and any of the draftees.
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You may be right and obviously we’d never know but other than Tauru, every key position player was taken at our picks.
14 - Faull
21 - Trainor
23 - Armstrong
27 - M.Whitlock (remember this was our pick we traded to the kangas)
28 - Sims
The next key position player who got drafted was Shanahan at #30.
Just seems we could have snuck in another top end mid at 14 and gotten every other player at our next pick just obviously missing out on Sims. If one of Faull or Armstrong had been taken before that we could have just replaced them with Shanahan or J. Whitlock. I won’t pretend I follow the draft closely enough to know whether that would have been a big downgrade on the kp part.
But your right in the sense that you will always be able to get quality mids at the top end of the draft which we should have access to a couple next year. Whereas kp’s are more hit and miss so you have to throw more darts before getting your bullseyes.
I see your point but we have quite a few mids at present, will half of them sit on the bench all year??
Half our talls will be either sitting on the bench or playing wing once Lynch, Gibcus, Young & Lefau are all fit again. Then there's the two cat B basketballers who'll probably have to be sent to a lower league(where they frankly belong at this stage). Lefau at least can play in the guts. :shh
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You may be right and obviously we’d never know but other than Tauru, every key position player was taken at our picks.
14 - Faull
21 - Trainor
23 - Armstrong
27 - M.Whitlock (remember this was our pick we traded to the kangas)
28 - Sims
The next key position player who got drafted was Shanahan at #30.
Just seems we could have snuck in another top end mid at 14 and gotten every other player at our next pick just obviously missing out on Sims. If one of Faull or Armstrong had been taken before that we could have just replaced them with Shanahan or J. Whitlock. I won’t pretend I follow the draft closely enough to know whether that would have been a big downgrade on the kp part.
But your right in the sense that you will always be able to get quality mids at the top end of the draft which we should have access to a couple next year. Whereas kp’s are more hit and miss so you have to throw more darts before getting your bullseyes.
I see your point but we have quite a few mids at present, will half of them sit on the bench all year??
Half our talls will be either sitting on the bench or playing wing once Lynch, Gibcus, Young & Lefau are all fit again. Then there's the two cat B basketballers who'll probably have to be sent to a lower league(where they frankly belong at this stage). Lefau at least can play in the guts. :shh
From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
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Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Totally agree Andyy!
The other thing you didn't mention was his at times complete lack of defensive efforts. It os infuriating to watch blokes run off or past him while he either just jogs along with zero intensity or worse still stands there and does nothing. For an inside mid his tackling numbers are very poor
Of the 17 games in 2024 I reckon he was ok in 3 and that might be being generous
I've got absolutely no doubt if Baker or Graham (our 2 best tacklers) stayed he would have been delisted
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
Dow hasn't got a defensive bone in his scrawny body - he'd be even worse than he is now, which is already diabolical enough ... :shh
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Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Totally agree Andyy!
The other thing you didn't mention was his at times complete lack of defensive efforts. It os infuriating to watch blokes run off or past him while he either just jogs along with zero intensity or worse still stands there and does nothing. For an inside mid his tackling numbers are very poor
Of the 17 games in 2024 I reckon he was ok in 3 and that might be being generous
I've got absolutely no doubt if Baker or Graham (our 2 best tacklers) stayed he would have been delisted
2 years ago is when he should've been delisted, was lucky RCD was out of contract and he wasn't....now been kissed on the knob again due to all the departures and gets a third extra year to impersonate an AFL footballer.... :shh
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
Dow hasn't got a defensive bone in his scrawny body - he'd be even worse than he is now, which is already diabolical enough ... :shh
I'm not sure if judson Clarke has either and he has been rumored to be filling the hbf void.
Each of the options appears flawed; Campbell. Mansell. Etc
Maybe banks goes backline
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Yeah jury well and truly being out was a kind way of saying he almost certainly won’t be on the list this time next year.
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Personally I have a lot of faith in Yze, this is his first go at it and I have heard so many good things about him I have 99% faith.
Feeling very positive
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
Can you think of many players in the modern era, of similar physique and position, that have come good after 5 unremarkable years on a list?
I can't.
The following year we traded our pick to Geelong who took Max Holmes at #20. He's played 75 odd games in a year shorter career, just won a B&F, and just missed out on a premiership medal due to injury IIRC.
Dow won't make it. We've seen nothing to suggest he will ever be a good player imo.
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My main knock on Dow is that he can’t kick. Unless your a super fit Clarry, that cannot be carried in the modern game.
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Alger alert
Oakleigh Chargers coach Ash Close has a warning for defenders at 17 AFL clubs when they line up on talented, young Richmond forward Jasper Alger down the track . . .
“He’s going to kick goals on you in different ways. If you’re going to man up on him, you’ve got to be able to get it done in the air and on the ground. He’s fast, so he can get you on a hit-up, but he can also turn you around and get you on a ‘crumb’ or get you out the back,” Close said.
“That’s what’s really intriguing about Jasper.
“I think to be a good forward you want to have many different ways to kick goals, which Jasper has, which is pretty exciting.”
Alger, who turns 18 on December 17, was taken by the Tigers with their last of eight picks (No. 58 overall) at the 2024 national draft.
He debuted with Oakleigh Chargers this year, having previously played in the Coates Talent League for Gippsland Power.
Alger also made his senior debut with Warragul at just 15 years of age.
For the past couple of years, Alger played school football at Caulfield Grammar as well.
“It was obvious to us pretty quickly that this kid had something special,” Close said.
“We didn’t know Jasper 12 months ago, so we were trying to figure out where his best position was . . . We put him up on a wing, which I think he has the physical attributes to play. But what we probably didn’t showcase was his ability to kick goals, and the ways that he can do that.
“I remember going to a Caulfield game once and seeing him play in front of the ball and thought, oh, he’s a forward.
“I just think that understanding Jasper, and starting to build that coach/player relationship, went a long way for his development . . . And once we found out that was really in front of the ball, we were pretty excited with what he did for the rest of the year.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1702374/alger-alert
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
Can you think of many players in the modern era, of similar physique and position, that have come good after 5 unremarkable years on a list?
I can't.
The following year we traded our pick to Geelong who took Max Holmes at #20. He's played 75 odd games in a year shorter career, just won a B&F, and just missed out on a premiership medal due to injury IIRC.
Dow won't make it. We've seen nothing to suggest he will ever be a good player imo.
Houi?
Grigg?
Nank?
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So I don't want to get too ahead of my self but what is the ceiling for this guy?
Nathan brown would be nice but the best player in the league is probably a bridge too far. (Pre injury)
Iirc some draft profiles had toby green as the comparison player. That'd be acceptable too
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From the guys who played in the middle last season, only really TT, Hopper, Prestia and Mcauliffe remain that I can think of. Bolton and baker gone (both mainly used fwd anyway), Graham gone. Sonsie isn’t used in midfield for whatever reason, Ross gets played on the wing. Dow, well jury well and truly out on his long term prospects.
So think we have heaps of room for top end talent mids. Especially when you consider Lalor and Hotton are very capable to play forward aswell as the question marks on Prestia and Hoppers continued fitness issues.
Don't know how the jury could possibly still be out on this guy? I suspect they only signed him knowing that the other blokes were leaving.
Been on the list 5 years and could have close to 100 games under his belt by now if he was going to be a good player. Yeah you could argue he was drafted by a premiership team etc but still if he was showing any signs you'd see at least 50-75 games and some Brownlow votes etc.
As things stand he's at 34 games, no votes, and his best year was 2024 when we were ravaged by injury and he managed 17 games averaging 15.6 touches a game, only a third of which are kicks, and about 2 tackles. No scoreboard impact. Not once has he turned a game or hurt an opposition team.
I'd be playing any of the draftees ahead of him from R1 tbh. He's on the list as depth, surely.
Dow has only just turned 23. Stranger things have happened than him turning into an asset. He has shown some good glimpses at times imo.
We are short of small defenders too. Maybe he can slot in there
Can you think of many players in the modern era, of similar physique and position, that have come good after 5 unremarkable years on a list?
I can't.
The following year we traded our pick to Geelong who took Max Holmes at #20. He's played 75 odd games in a year shorter career, just won a B&F, and just missed out on a premiership medal due to injury IIRC.
Dow won't make it. We've seen nothing to suggest he will ever be a good player imo.
Houi?
Grigg?
Nank?
Houli 4 years.
Grigg showed plenty and also 4 years.
Bank starved of opportunity and only 2 years.
So all established themselves or showed plenty of talent in 4 or less years.
Dow has had a full 5 years already and showed diddly IMO.
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Got some information. Apparently Alger played midfield this season.
And was missed when he was out iirc in finals.
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Yze's tiger cub watch - Jasper Alger
“Jasper had a bit of a hiccup, he tweaked his knee in our first intra-club game, but since then he hasn’t missed a beat. He’s a clever forward. I saw him first-hand last year. He played for Caulfield (Grammar) with my young fella. He’s highly talented. Can mark it, can ‘crumb’, and he’s got a big tank . . . He’ll get an opportunity at some stage, but right now, based on his training load, he’d more likely be at VFL to start.”
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2025/03/09/cbe2bca5-010e-4ee5-a3d4-26b3dd9728dd/54369407437_85fd95c00b_3k.jpg?width=2128&height=1200)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1728155/yzes-tiger-cub-watch
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The last part of this video gives the impression that Alger could be debuting this week (?).
VIDEO: https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1909803455968923694
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Jasper Alger will be set to debut for the Tigers this weekend. With an injury concern looming for Maurice it seems like he’ll be the culprit.
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1919965849383010494
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Hope he does. The suggestions that he isn't ready are regardless imo because it's certainly not as though Armstrong and Faull have been ready.
Also he looks to have class and knows where the goals are, something we lack completely from our small fwds.
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Good news.
What's wrong with MRJ from an injury perspective? Form we are well aware of.
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Alger named in the extended squad.
What's wrong with MRJ from an injury perspective? Form we are well aware of.
Looks like that info is incorrect. Rioli is listed as omitted; not injured.
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Milestone: Jasper Alger (Debut game), Thomas Sims (Debut game)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1775426/squad-selection-round-9-richmond-west-coast
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Jasper Alger will be set to debut for the Tigers this weekend. With an injury concern looming for Maurice it seems like he’ll be the culprit.
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1919965849383010494
This bloke gets another one wrong, deflects and he says he only tweeted what he got told... ::)
Sounds so much like a bloke who used post on here :rollin
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Jasper Alger will be set to debut for the Tigers this weekend. With an injury concern looming for Maurice it seems like he’ll be the culprit.
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1919965849383010494
This bloke gets another one wrong, deflects and he says he only tweeted what he got told... ::)
Sounds so much like a bloke who used post on here :rollin
Was a “star” that bloke
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Jasper Alger will be set to debut for the Tigers this weekend. With an injury concern looming for Maurice it seems like he’ll be the culprit.
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1919965849383010494
This bloke gets another one wrong, deflects and he says he only tweeted what he got told... ::)
Sounds so much like a bloke who used post on here :rollin
Was a “star” that bloke
:lol :lol
Yep, a few times over :rollin
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1746394/jasper-alger-debut-round-15
:clapping
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Excitingly, the team will include debutant Jasper Alger, who earned the call up to the senior side on Friday afternoon.
He replaces Kane McAuliffe (quad injury), as the only change for the side.
The 18-year-old, who was selected with pick 58 in the 2024 AFL Draft, has impressed at VFL level, kicking 15 goals from his 10 outings this season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1808495
:clapping
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Excellent :cheers
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Congratulations Jasper. I really hope he becomes a moving target across half forward.
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Ooze surprises Alger at home
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2025/06/20/b5b79b27-3f8c-4a64-976a-87e073161071/zW3z5D1b.png?width=902&height=536) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGDu7URIeY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGDu7URIeY
‘What!…Oh my Gosh’ | Alger Calls Home
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2025/06/20/87bf1116-8f4c-4e4b-ba7d-410495240b98/AyXQqNjM.jpg?width=902&height=536) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvGiCcIHtT0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvGiCcIHtT0
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Congrats Jasper
Good luck :clapping
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Calls his dad by his first name - dud, delist. :thumbsdown
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Calls his dad by his first name - dud, delist. :thumbsdown
Can't stand that poo unless of course he has 2 of em which is even worse :shh
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Calls his dad by his first name - dud, delist. :thumbsdown
Can't stand that poo unless of course he has 2 of em which is even worse :shh
One of my mates does it and I find it really weird.
If my kids did that to me it would break me lol
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Calls his dad by his first name - dud, delist. :thumbsdown
If dad’s first name is dad, then yep, because that what he called him when the phone was picked up
But on the clip on YouTube it said his dad’s name was Dean, so I’m confused
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Lids presented him his jumper ❤️
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Debuting as the sub :-\.
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That’s stuffen disgraceful. I hate that. Absolutely disgraceful
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Pee the sub rule off and just have 5 interchange players
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Only poo clubs start their debutants as the sub
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Calls his dad by his first name - dud, delist. :thumbsdown
If dad’s first name is dad, then yep, because that what he called him when the phone was picked up
But on the clip on YouTube it said his dad’s name was Dean, so I’m confused
Tell me you didn't watch the whole video without telling me - called him "Deano" at the end of the phone call. :shh
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Pathetic to debut him as sub.
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Couldn’t believe this natural goal kicker was the sub - meanwhile we go 1.6 under the roof
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Couldn’t believe this natural goal kicker was the sub - meanwhile we go 1.6 under the roof
Clearly, holding Alger back cost us the game! :-\
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
No we don’t.
We just don’t like starting debutants as the sub, for obvious reasons.
No one is expecting him to dominate.
If you like it fine but you are in the minority.
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
I can see your point but I just think it's wrong and I'm not convinced having a kid play as the sub does then any favours.
I think playing the last 30-40min of a game would be difficult, especially when your team is crap and getting smashed. You're walking onto the field when the result is guaranteed, your teammates have already dropped their heads, and you're trying to get involved in a contest that's already over etc.
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
I can see your point but I just think it's wrong and I'm not convinced having a kid play as the sub does then any favours.
I think playing the last 30-40min of a game would be difficult, especially when your team is crap and getting smashed. You're walking onto the field when the result is guaranteed, your teammates have already dropped their heads, and you're trying to get involved in a contest that's already over etc.
Ok, there are two ways to view it. But I think players learn more from the defeats & struggles than they learn from the downhill skiing coast to victory. Which lessons do we want our draftees to learn?
Learning that nothing comes easy during your first game is a valuable lesson. Earning the right to be on the field & paying your dues is part of it.
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
I can see your point but I just think it's wrong and I'm not convinced having a kid play as the sub does then any favours.
I think playing the last 30-40min of a game would be difficult, especially when your team is crap and getting smashed. You're walking onto the field when the result is guaranteed, your teammates have already dropped their heads, and you're trying to get involved in a contest that's already over etc.
Ok, there are two ways to view it. But I think players learn more from the defeats & struggles than they learn from the downhill skiing coast to victory. Which lessons do we want our draftees to learn?
Learning that nothing comes easy during your first game is a valuable lesson. Earning the right to be on the field & paying your dues is part of it.
What coast to victory are you talking about? We've had none of those easy wins this year.
I think it would be better to play a debutant from the beginning of the game so they're out there with a 0-0 scoreline, everyone is motivated and trying to win still, and the little 'battles within the game' and still developing - rather than subbing them on when it's all done and dusted, the heads are dropping and the team is just getting whipped for a bit longer with no hope of winning.
You can always sub a kid off if they're tired in the 3rd Q.
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Why make him a sub - that’s the point. How on earth does it help him or us?
This has happened many times, I even see other sides doing the same with their first gamers.
Personally I don't think its a bad idea so I don't have a problem with it. Giving the young blokes the sub vest lets them experience the game before they get thrown into it. When they do get a run they are matched up on a bloke who has already run 7kms or so, giving the young bloke an advantage. They can go hard knowing there is only a half or even a quarter left to play.
We talk about the importance of development but don't want to see it or have to put up with it! We talk about green shoots but expect them to magically appear on the field as fully grown crops ready to yield fruit ...
I can see your point but I just think it's wrong and I'm not convinced having a kid play as the sub does then any favours.
I think playing the last 30-40min of a game would be difficult, especially when your team is crap and getting smashed. You're walking onto the field when the result is guaranteed, your teammates have already dropped their heads, and you're trying to get involved in a contest that's already over etc.
Ok, there are two ways to view it. But I think players learn more from the defeats & struggles than they learn from the downhill skiing coast to victory. Which lessons do we want our draftees to learn?
Learning that nothing comes easy during your first game is a valuable lesson. Earning the right to be on the field & paying your dues is part of it.
What coast to victory are you talking about? We've had none of those easy wins this year.
I think it would be better to play a debutant from the beginning of the game so they're out there with a 0-0 scoreline, everyone is motivated and trying to win still, and the little 'battles within the game' and still developing - rather than subbing them on when it's all done and dusted, the heads are dropping and the team is just getting whipped for a bit longer with no hope of winning.
You can always sub a kid off if they're tired in the 3rd Q.
With the 'coast to victory' point, I wasn't talking about this year. There have been many years, many footballers & many first games before this one.
What would you think of the kid who turned his nose up at the thought of the sub vest? Do you want hard nosed commandos who stand up when things go bad, or down hill skiers full of entitlements?
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Interim Yze loves putting the kids on a hiding to nothing. Like sending out your #3 two overs before stumps. :shh
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Happens across all clubs and I don’t like it. Think it just devalues the experience of the kids making their debuts that they only got to play 10-20mins. I think theres been examples of players from other teams that debuted as the sub and didn’t get subbed on at all. That still counts as your debut game and you never get to have another.
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Get your family to the game and hype you up on social media then put you on at 3/4 time when we are already 12 goals down and getting flogged.
Brilliant stuff. Great for morale and development….
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No less, in a season that is all about development…
Just a dumb and shameful decision by the club.
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No less, in a season that is all about development…
Just a dumb and shameful decision by the club.
Yep. Clear Yze is not so one that can read the room.
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I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.
Hated it last year, where it was far too common.
But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less
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I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.
Hated it last year, where it was far too common.
But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less
Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.
I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.
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I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.
Hated it last year, where it was far too common.
But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less
Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.
I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.
Well said Andyy
And for where we are at as a team, it’s inexcusable
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I don't agree with a player being the sub in their debut game.
Hated it last year, where it was far too common.
But in fairness to the Club this is first one this year, was a terrible decision none the less
Noted, and this made it all the more disappointing for me tbh.
I thought they had learned and were moving away from that BS.
Absolutely agree
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Reckon we have nailed it. Great opportunity for the club to either explain the logic and apologise or explain it so we can all understand it. The coach doesn’t strike me as being arrogant or aloof like many in the afl so some communication wouldn’t go astray here
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment
well said HRT :clapping :clapping
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment
:thumbsup
It may not be a big deal to some, but it is to me and a lot of other fans it seems.
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I expect the club to issue full refunds to all members who turned up at Marvel. :shh
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment
:thumbsup
It may not be a big deal to some, but it is to me and a lot of other fans it seems.
My bad, I thought he meant offer an explanation and apology to the fans lol
Just want to reiterate that I don’t like it, but I’m sure if you asked Alger whether he wanted to play another week in the VFL or debut as the sub in the AFL, he would pick the latter.
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All good but that shouldn’t be his choice in game 1 - particularly one as meaningless as yesterdays
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lol explain the logic and apologise?
I don’t like debutants being subs either but there is no way in hell they will explain why they did it and apologise and nor should they.
That is a wild wild take.
It’s a crappy way to treat a debutant and it had appeared like we may have learnt our lesson from last year so this looks to be an anomaly in how we have been treating debutants this year.
Explain it - ie, why do it in a game we were expected to get thrashed in. Apologise to the kid, not us. It’s a shocking way to treat someone in what should be a life long memory. Ask any afl player and it’s a crystal clear memory to them. We have effectively trashed that moment for him and his family so yes it does warrant an apology if they can’t justify trashing that moment
:thumbsup
It may not be a big deal to some, but it is to me and a lot of other fans it seems.
My bad, I thought he meant offer an explanation and apology to the fans lol
Just want to reiterate that I don’t like it, but I’m sure if you asked Alger whether he wanted to play another week in the VFL or debut as the sub in the AFL, he would pick the latter.
What if he was offered:
A VFL game followed by a debut in the starting 18 the following week
Vs
Debut as sub, come on in the 3rd quarter when we being stuffing mauled by a top 6 worthy side and all your team mates have thrown in the towel so you can go out there and get whipped with them for 45m.
He might actually pick the first option tbh.
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What if he stunk it up in said vfl game blowing his chances of debuting the week after.
Anyway won’t keeping going back and forth on this especially when I agree with the consensus opinion lol
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This is the AFL we are talking about! The absolute top of the football world! The Olympic games of the football world! The one and only AFL competition in the entire world! The very reason why kids dedicate years of their lives to get a chance to play ...
If I was Yze and I had offered a kid a game but he knocked it back because of the sub vest I would FIRE HIM ON THE SPOT! Then I'd boot his butt all the way up & then all the way back down Punt Road ...
Maybe the kid could try some other AFL competition instead of this one ... oh no ... wait ....
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.. wut
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.. wut
JP was on the shandy’s last night
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Alger was a rare positive on a dark day.
11 disposals (7k, 4h, 5c, 6u, 72.7% eff.)
4 marks
2 tackles
3 inside 50s
168m gained
1 intercept
4 score involvements
1 goal assist
2 goals
81% gametime
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First half he looked lost at times but as the game went on he found his feet and looked ok
Needs to make sure that when it's his time to attack a contest he does.
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Plays taller than his size
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Has already gone past Steely and Mansell who was pathetic as a pretend enforcer
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Sent back on with a crook ankle - nek minit out for 4 weeks - another masterstroke of injury management. #sorcery. :banghead
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Sent back on with a crook ankle - nek minit out for 4 weeks - another masterstroke of injury management. #sorcery. :banghead
Please if you are going to go whack at least whack the right people.
The fitness and conditioning team would have zero input on whether he went back on. The medical team made that call ::)
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Sent back on with a crook ankle - nek minit out for 4 weeks - another masterstroke of injury management. #sorcery. :banghead
Please if you are going to go whack at least whack the right people.
The fitness and conditioning team would have zero input on whether he went back on. The medical team made that call ::)
On advice given by serpell I'm sure.
The defense of this guy is just weird. I recall the same for the previous idiot until he could not be defended any longer.
If Yze values his job he should sack this guy if this rubbish continues and throw the kitchen sink at getting burgess back.
Serpell was searching for speed and they are his words. I suspect his program has failed as it did for the magic man.
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Such a shame. The kids are the ones we need fit and here we go again one of our kids gets injured.
We have only really had trainor and Faull stay fit of our draftees and in a better situation they would have had to work a lot harder for some of the games they have got.
Almost a wasted year when it comes to our draftees and promising kids.
Lalor 11 interupted games, Hotton yet to play, Algar what two games, Armstrong injured early in the season, Smillie zero games with only Faull and Sims getting games and staying fit but clearly needing a break for awhile now.. Throw in McAuliffe with another injury interupted year we have run over a chinaman with the way its panned out.
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I reckon all who have played showed me the can perform at the highest level. While the continuity of footy is a problem, I cannot remember the last time
I saw so much promise in a first year crop of young tigers